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Macdaddy_2004 said:
Not yet..............................

Pettine is not interested in a running back by committee system in Cleveland. While Tate, West and Crowell are all viable options as starters, he would prefer for one to take hold of the spot instead of rotating in and out. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan understands the Browns need to be grateful for the talent at the running back position, but for consistency purposes, he would prefer one player be the true starter.

Read more: http://www.sportsworldreport.com/articles/35773/20141024/cleveland-browns-rumors-ben-tate-denies-terrance-west-isaiah-crowell-rb-competition-jordan-cameron-andrew-hawkins-struggle-brian-hoyer.htm#ixzz3H5ogtiQX
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Tate is the true starter, he is talking about the backups shaking out who should get the reps, Crowell and West.

 
Jerry Curl said:
Macdaddy_2004 said:
Not yet..............................

Pettine is not interested in a running back by committee system in Cleveland. While Tate, West and Crowell are all viable options as starters, he would prefer for one to take hold of the spot instead of rotating in and out. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan understands the Browns need to be grateful for the talent at the running back position, but for consistency purposes, he would prefer one player be the true starter.

Read more: http://www.sportsworldreport.com/articles/35773/20141024/cleveland-browns-rumors-ben-tate-denies-terrance-west-isaiah-crowell-rb-competition-jordan-cameron-andrew-hawkins-struggle-brian-hoyer.htm#ixzz3H5ogtiQX
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Tate is the true starter, he is talking about the backups shaking out who should get the reps, Crowell and West.
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That article is poorly written with suppositions by some rookie writer. Means nothing. Read Mary Kay Cabot's stuff and you will see it is not an announcement that Tate will get all the carries.

 
Cheesedawg said:
Jerry Curl said:
Macdaddy_2004 said:
Not yet..............................

Pettine is not interested in a running back by committee system in Cleveland. While Tate, West and Crowell are all viable options as starters, he would prefer for one to take hold of the spot instead of rotating in and out. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan understands the Browns need to be grateful for the talent at the running back position, but for consistency purposes, he would prefer one player be the true starter.

Read more: http://www.sportsworldreport.com/articles/35773/20141024/cleveland-browns-rumors-ben-tate-denies-terrance-west-isaiah-crowell-rb-competition-jordan-cameron-andrew-hawkins-struggle-brian-hoyer.htm#ixzz3H5ogtiQX
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Tate is the true starter, he is talking about the backups shaking out who should get the reps, Crowell and West.
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That article is poorly written with suppositions by some rookie writer. Means nothing. Read Mary Kay Cabot's stuff and you will see it is not an announcement that Tate will get all the carries.
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No running back gets all the carries, the best get 60-70% (sometimes crazy things happen like Chicago's usage of Forte but those are outliers and Tate is not Forte).

Cleveland runs the ball 32 times per game which leaves around 10-13 carries per game up for grabs (assuming Tate gets 60-70%) and maybe a couple catches. Not sure how that shakes out in your particular league but either Crowell or West gets all those touches then they have flex potential. Personally I don't see more then 10 touches for the clear #2 back (probably Crowell) and maybe a couple for the #3.

 
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/10/cleveland_browns_kyle_shanahan_1.html

Summary of development's this week:

-Each of the 3 RBs stated that breaking up the carries 3 ways was not ideal.

-Shanahan didn't like these comments and put it back on Tate, Crowell, and West. Basically saying he'd love to run 1 RB but none of them have performed well enough to be that guy. He has no problem with the current arrangement. He wants them to shut up and make the point with their performance on the field.

-My takeaway as a Crowell owner was that if Crowell can have a breakout performance this week it would be hard to put the lid back on the box after Shanahan's comments.

-Obviously Tate, when healthy, has been the lead back, so it was a bit strange Shanahan left the door open as wide as he did.

 
I really don't want to pick Crowell up again for the fourth time this season, but this rotoworld blurb is making me think twice:

ESPN Cleveland believes that OC Kyle Shanahan has concerns about Ben Tate as the Browns' feature back.

Tate has started or led the backfield in touches in every game he's been healthy, but Shanahan's comments about wanting "one of the backs to separate" suggests the Browns aren't sold on him carrying the load. There could be a changing of the guard if Tate continues to struggle and one of Isaiah Crowell or Terrance West emerges with a hot-hand. Tate has a 2.8 YPC over the last two games. Crowell has been the most productive and could see his role increased. The Browns have the most invested in West as a third-round pick. Oct 25 - 7:39 PM

Source: ESPN Cleveland
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Unless ESPN Cleveland has other info besides Shanahan's comments I linked to above any fear of Tate losing his job is only speculation. It was pretty obvious Shanahan was mainly trying to get his backs to shut up and stop whining.

If after the game one guy obviously ran better than the other two I think that could have big implications. But he clearly said he didn't have a problem with the current arrangement.

 
It would appear that he is third-string now. But he is active, right? And Tate/West have been awful so far against the vaunted Raider run D.

 
Coaches are so dumb. It's not like either of these running backs has done anything, so perhaps it might make sense to turn to the guy averaging YPC? Or not

 
ya crowell aint gettin any more yards than the othe other guys on those plays. browns run d went to crap when their center, alex mack, got hurt.

 
jurb26 said:
WTF has happens to this oline? Mack making all the calls must have been huge for them.
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As good as Mack is, it's hard to believe a center makes this much difference. Seems to be the case though. I know in addition to making the calls he was helping the rookie guard Bitonio a lot.

Now they have a guy off the practice squad at center.

 
All three were effective at various points before Mack got hurt. Now none them are.

Can't believe their run game got snuffed b2b by JAX and da Raiders.

 
BobbyLayne said:
All three were effective at various points before Mack got hurt. Now none them are.

Can't believe their run game got snuffed b2b by JAX and da Raiders.
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Yeah totally Jekyll and Hide. One second you think one of these guys could carry your team; the next they seem like wire fodder.

Will the CLE ground attack get back on track? Or time to move on?

 
Im not banking on it to get better...I'm thinking when Charles Sims is activated off IR Crowell may have to go to the heap. He's a hold in Dynasty and keeper leagues though.

 
Isaiah Crowell rushed once for one yard and caught one pass for eight yards in the Browns' Week 8 win over the Raiders.
The undrafted rookie was the No. 3 back through Cleveland's rotation, playing behind Ben Tate and Terrance West. Although Crowell is arguably the most talented back in the bunch, his usage has not warranted fantasy start-ability, and the Browns' running game isn't nearly as efficient as it was early in the season. Crowell is teetering between RB3 and RB4 "stash" value in fantasy leagues. He won't be a flex option in Week 9 against Tampa Bay.
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just_want_2_win said:
Isaiah Crowell rushed once for one yard and caught one pass for eight yards in the Browns' Week 8 win over the Raiders.
The undrafted rookie was the No. 3 back through Cleveland's rotation, playing behind Ben Tate and Terrance West. Although Crowell is arguably the most talented back in the bunch, his usage has not warranted fantasy start-ability, and the Browns' running game isn't nearly as efficient as it was early in the season. Crowell is teetering between RB3 and RB4 "stash" value in fantasy leagues. He won't be a flex option in Week 9 against Tampa Bay.
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Not being a flex option vs Tampa Bay means not worthy of being owned in most fantasy leagues. Browns arguably don't need a healthy Crowell to win. A part-time contributor at best right now.

 
I want to kick myself so hard for starting him again this week. I had very few choices, but at this rate I should have just played eeny meeny miny moe with the free agent list.

 
In 4 weeks there won't be any safeties in the box with Gordon on the edge.

I disagree that Crowell couldn't have done better, he's already demonstrated he is better at getting more than what's blocked over the other two.

I have no idea why they decided to give Crowell the day off essentially, not giving him a touch until late.

Tate got what, 15 carries and didn't break 30 yds total.

Crowell would have done much more with 15 carries than Tate.

We are talkng about Son of Shanahan, master of Shanahanigans with RBs, so there's that.

 
thatguythere said:
just_want_2_win said:
BobbyLayne said:
All three were effective at various points before Mack got hurt. Now none them are.

Can't believe their run game got snuffed b2b by JAX and da Raiders.
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Yeah totally Jekyll and Hide. One second you think one of these guys could carry your team; the next they seem like wire fodder.

Will the CLE ground attack get back on track? Or time to move on?
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Time to move on from Hoyer.
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They don't have anybody to move on to.

 
lod01 said:
thatguythere said:
just_want_2_win said:
BobbyLayne said:
All three were effective at various points before Mack got hurt. Now none them are.

Can't believe their run game got snuffed b2b by JAX and da Raiders.
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Yeah totally Jekyll and Hide. One second you think one of these guys could carry your team; the next they seem like wire fodder.

Will the CLE ground attack get back on track? Or time to move on?
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Time to move on from Hoyer.
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They don't have anybody to move on to.
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I don't want to detract from the Isaiah Crowell wake, but Hoyer is 7-3 as a starter, 5-1 at home.

The Browns are 4-3, the best record they have had this late in the season since 2007.

Cleveland has 5 turnovers this season; Denver leads the league with fewest turnovers at 4.

Brian Hoyer is not the issue here.

 
Hoyer was terrible in Jax but otherwise has been very good. The issue is that their oline isn't near the same without Mack and they have nobody on the outside that scares anyone.

 
jurb26 said:
Hoyer was terrible in Jax but otherwise has been very good. The issue is that their oline isn't near the same without Mack and they have nobody on the outside that scares anyone.
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I can't believe how much of an impact his loss has had. Going from one of the top running games to one of the worst with one injury. amazing.

 
my guess is they felt more comfortable with West in the passing game overall, and knew their ability to run the ball is now severely limited.

hence Crow not being in the gameplan.

 
The thing is, you're going to cut him and Tate is going to go down literally the next game. Granted, the backfield still wouldn't be monopolized by him but Crowell getting touches is a Crowell that needs to be rostered. Sucks though, this whole thing is such a headache on a week to week basis.

 
SameSongNDance said:
The thing is, you're going to cut him and Tate is going to go down literally the next game. Granted, the backfield still wouldn't be monopolized by him but Crowell getting touches is a Crowell that needs to be rostered. Sucks though, this whole thing is such a headache on a week to week basis.
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I'm holding for now, and hoping for some clarity in the next few weeks, which might be a stretch considering all the Shanahanigans.

 
I guess dropping him all depends on what you're picking up. Wouldn't drop him just to drop him but if you're talking about picking up Sims or Gray then I'd likely consider it.

 
tunamelt warrior said:
SameSongNDance said:
The thing is, you're going to cut him and Tate is going to go down literally the next game. Granted, the backfield still wouldn't be monopolized by him but Crowell getting touches is a Crowell that needs to be rostered. Sucks though, this whole thing is such a headache on a week to week basis.
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I'm holding for now, and hoping for some clarity in the next few weeks, which might be a stretch considering all the Shanahanigans.
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Both of these posts describe my feelings. Unless I'm getting a handcuff to an RB on my roster, I'm going to hold Crowell and see where this leads. I can't think that this is a worse strategy than going for the flavor of the week (Anthony Dixon or Tre Mason) on a lackluster offense.

 
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Browns coach Mike Pettine admitted Isaiah Crowell's role has been reduced due to "ball security concerns."
The Browns were unwilling to give Crowell late-game carries in Sunday's win over the Raiders two weeks after he fumbled twice, losing one. Crowell is the best talent in Cleveland's backfield, but his usage has been discouraging to the point that he can only be viewed as an RB4 stash in fantasy leagues. Pettine did say Monday he'd like for Crowell to "get more touches."
 
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