Isiah Pead>Darryl Richardson. (1 Viewer)

[werdnoynek]

I remember when Jamaal Charles was too small to play running back and be fantasy relevant.

I don't think many are claiming that Pead is too small to be fantasy relevant so much as most are claiming that he's spectacularly unspectacular, which I would agree with. I also don't really get the comparision to Charles. Pead's 4.5 spead at his size doesn't help his cause, which Charles' sub 4.4 speed is a big reason he's such a threat. There's a huge difference there.

i think he was referring to richardson.

 

[Otis]

I remember when Jamaal Charles was too small to play running back and be fantasy relevant.

I don't think many are claiming that Pead is too small to be fantasy relevant so much as most are claiming that he's spectacularly unspectacular, which I would agree with. I also don't really get the comparision to Charles. Pead's 4.5 spead at his size doesn't help his cause, which Charles' sub 4.4 speed is a big reason he's such a threat. There's a huge difference there.

I'm talking about Richardson

 

[Donnybrook]

Everyone forgets about the Pead because Richardson got the PT this season. But 2013 isn't 2012. Pead has all the tools. Pead will be the 1st and 2nd down guy (along with goal line duties) with Richardson playing a 3rd down role. Pead could take over feature back, 3 down duties, as early as 2014. Just sayin'

Your point is moot. I can't see this team going into the season without adding a 2013 rookie or free agent running back.

 

[Shawn]

Jackson isnt returning to STL... Pead bandwagon, all aboard!!

 

[Inspiration]

Keep in mind that there is still a decent chance the Rams will add another RB through the draft. The Jeff Fisher-coached Titans drafted a RB every year from 2003 to 2009 (including a 3 year span from 2006 to 2008 where he used two 2nds rounders and a 1st on RBs). The Rams have an extra pick this year from the Griffin trade and they could still use a bigger back to complement Pead/Richardson.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Lacy kind of reminds me of eddie george

 

[tim_whatley]

Fisher loves Blount and Tampa wants to trade him.

 

[finito]

Fisher loves Blount and Tampa wants to trade him.

Didn't Fisher cut Blount once?

 

[tim_whatley]

Tampa Bay’s LeGarrette Blount is second among rookie running backs with 667 yards rushing. Blount spent the summer in Nashville and was released before the start of the regular season. In November, Fisher said he regrets cutting Blount “every day.” Did he expect a player with Blount’s talent to clear waivers? Yes, he did.

Titans coach Jeff Fisher said now he regrets the gamble of putting rookie running back LeGarrette Blount on waivers just before the start of the season. Blount was claimed by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and now has 359 yards rushing with four touchdowns on 75 carries this year. Asked if he now wishes he had not let Blount go, Fisher said, “Every day. I thought we could get him to the practice squad, get him on practice squad, knowing that when and if there was any kind of interest, we could bring him back to the active roster. That didn't happen, but I'm very, very happy for him.”

 

[werdnoynek]

Fisher loves Blount and Tampa wants to trade him.

Didn't Fisher cut Blount once?

he was cut but i doubt it was only fisher's decision. i think he was cut to make room for an LB, they intended on signing him to practice squad but he was claimed by tampa.ETA: i honestly dont think blount could keep richardson or pead off the field and he would have a limited roll if anything.

 

[finito]

Fisher loves Blount and Tampa wants to trade him.

Didn't Fisher cut Blount once?

he was cut but i doubt it was only fisher's decision. i think he was cut to make room for an LB, they intended on signing him to practice squad but he was claimed by tampa.

I'm just saying if he "loved" Blount I dunno if he would have cut him. He may well covet Blount and trade for him, will be interesting to see what they do (or don't do) at the RB position.

 

[Nero]

Pead supporters are dreaming. 122 touches vs 13 touches; If that is not enough evidence for you to get a clue, you can not be helped.

 

[T.Rex]

Pead supporters are dreaming. 122 touches vs 13 touches; If that is not enough evidence for you to get a clue, you can not be helped.

Richardson >>>>>>>>>>>>>Pead, based off watching them both play. No dog in the fight.

 

[lod01]

Richardson is a 4.47 speed version of Chris Johnson.

 

[jonboltz]

Richardson is a 4.47 speed version of Chris Johnson.

4.24 to 4.47 is a huge, huge difference.

 

[TheFanatic]

Pead supporters are dreaming. 122 touches vs 13 touches; If that is not enough evidence for you to get a clue, you can not be helped.

Richardson got the role of COP back. That doesn't mean he's the better back. It means he came in to change things up. And it worked fairly well early, but later on it did not work. Rushing yards week 13-176, 4, 5, 9, 0Some would call that the rookie wall. By week 12 hd had a grand total of 82 carries and 16 receptions. If that makes him tired, there's a problem. I think Gannaway or someone not on the roster has a very high chance of getting more carries than Richardson this year. As for Blount, he had 1000 yards rushing in 13 games and 7 starts his rookie season with a 5.0 YPC. He couldn't block, but that can be learned. a career 4.6 YPC cannot.

 

[kface]

I don't know how at this point anyone can think much of pead. he may surprise but it would be a surprise given last year's performance

 

[TheFanatic]

I don't know how at this point anyone can think much of pead. he may surprise but it would be a surprise given last year's performance

That's a little like saying David Wilson sucked the first three quarters of the season last year. Wilson had about 15 carries by week 12. Pead only had 10 carries all season. With nobody on the roster but Richardson who faded bad down the stretch and Gannaway, he could very well get lots of carries this year if they don't bring in a RB. I'm starting to think that if they don't trade for a Blount before the season, they might burn a 1st on a RB.

 

[moderated]

Pead supporters are dreaming. 122 touches vs 13 touches; If that is not enough evidence for you to get a clue, you can not be helped.

Richardson got the role of COP back. That doesn't mean he's the better back. It means he came in to change things up. And it worked fairly well early, but later on it did not work. Rushing yards week 13-176, 4, 5, 9, 0Some would call that the rookie wall. By week 12 hd had a grand total of 82 carries and 16 receptions. If that makes him tired, there's a problem. I think Gannaway or someone not on the roster has a very high chance of getting more carries than Richardson this year. As for Blount, he had 1000 yards rushing in 13 games and 7 starts his rookie season with a 5.0 YPC. He couldn't block, but that can be learned. a career 4.6 YPC cannot.

Same thing happened here when everyone was hailing Hillman as the replacement for Mgahee when he got hurt.What happened is Moreno got the starters job while Hillman stayed in his COP role.

 

[lod01]

Richardson is a 4.47 speed version of Chris Johnson.

4.24 to 4.47 is a huge, huge difference.

I own Richardson so I had to throw that out there.

 

[Nero]

Pead supporters are dreaming. 122 touches vs 13 touches; If that is not enough evidence for you to get a clue, you can not be helped.

Richardson got the role of COP back. That doesn't mean he's the better back. It means he came in to change things up. And it worked fairly well early, but later on it did not work. Rushing yards week 13-176, 4, 5, 9, 0Some would call that the rookie wall. By week 12 hd had a grand total of 82 carries and 16 receptions. If that makes him tired, there's a problem. I think Gannaway or someone not on the roster has a very high chance of getting more carries than Richardson this year. As for Blount, he had 1000 yards rushing in 13 games and 7 starts his rookie season with a 5.0 YPC. He couldn't block, but that can be learned. a career 4.6 YPC cannot.

Same thing happened here when everyone was hailing Hillman as the replacement for Mgahee when he got hurt.What happened is Moreno got the starters job while Hillman stayed in his COP role.

When Jackson got benched/injured, Pead did not get a touch, at least Hillman though still overated saw the field. Pead is not a threat to Richardson; Richardson is ahead of Pead regardless of the situation.

 

[moderated]

Pead supporters are dreaming. 122 touches vs 13 touches; If that is not enough evidence for you to get a clue, you can not be helped.

Richardson got the role of COP back. That doesn't mean he's the better back. It means he came in to change things up. And it worked fairly well early, but later on it did not work. Rushing yards week 13-176, 4, 5, 9, 0Some would call that the rookie wall. By week 12 hd had a grand total of 82 carries and 16 receptions. If that makes him tired, there's a problem. I think Gannaway or someone not on the roster has a very high chance of getting more carries than Richardson this year. As for Blount, he had 1000 yards rushing in 13 games and 7 starts his rookie season with a 5.0 YPC. He couldn't block, but that can be learned. a career 4.6 YPC cannot.

Same thing happened here when everyone was hailing Hillman as the replacement for Mgahee when he got hurt.What happened is Moreno got the starters job while Hillman stayed in his COP role.

Pead is not a threat to Richardson; Richardson is ahead of Pead regardless of the situation.

You may be right, but it's certainly not a fact.

 

[Touchdown There]

Pead supporters are dreaming. 122 touches vs 13 touches; If that is not enough evidence for you to get a clue, you can not be helped.

Richardson got the role of COP back. That doesn't mean he's the better back. It means he came in to change things up. And it worked fairly well early, but later on it did not work. Rushing yards week 13-176, 4, 5, 9, 0Some would call that the rookie wall. By week 12 hd had a grand total of 82 carries and 16 receptions. If that makes him tired, there's a problem. I think Gannaway or someone not on the roster has a very high chance of getting more carries than Richardson this year. As for Blount, he had 1000 yards rushing in 13 games and 7 starts his rookie season with a 5.0 YPC. He couldn't block, but that can be learned. a career 4.6 YPC cannot.

Same thing happened here when everyone was hailing Hillman as the replacement for Mgahee when he got hurt.What happened is Moreno got the starters job while Hillman stayed in his COP role.

Pead is not a threat to Richardson; Richardson is ahead of Pead regardless of the situation.

You may be right, but it's certainly not a fact.

I think Pead is the starter by end of camp.

 

[kface]

I don't know how at this point anyone can think much of pead. he may surprise but it would be a surprise given last year's performance

That's a little like saying David Wilson sucked the first three quarters of the season last year. Wilson had about 15 carries by week 12. Pead only had 10 carries all season. With nobody on the roster but Richardson who faded bad down the stretch and Gannaway, he could very well get lots of carries this year if they don't bring in a RB. I'm starting to think that if they don't trade for a Blount before the season, they might burn a 1st on a RB.

Its not because wilson got legitimate carries all season long and just fumbled them away...Pead was an after thought on that team

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't know how at this point anyone can think much of pead. he may surprise but it would be a surprise given last year's performance

That's a little like saying David Wilson sucked the first three quarters of the season last year. Wilson had about 15 carries by week 12. Pead only had 10 carries all season. With nobody on the roster but Richardson who faded bad down the stretch and Gannaway, he could very well get lots of carries this year if they don't bring in a RB. I'm starting to think that if they don't trade for a Blount before the season, they might burn a 1st on a RB.

Richardson faded badly down the stretch? He never got more than 7 carries in a game after week 8. More than Pead I guess.

 

[lsutigers]

I think Pead is the starter by end of camp.

I agree with this. Put me in the camp that Fisher isn't stupid. If you think Pead is the guy, don't put wear and tear on him his rookie year on a bad team. Just keeping him fresh baby! Wear down that late round rookie.

 

[werdnoynek]

I think Pead is the starter by end of camp.

I agree with this. Put me in the camp that Fisher isn't stupid. If you think Pead is the guy, don't put wear and tear on him his rookie year on a bad team. Just keeping him fresh baby! Wear down that late round rookie.

ehhh, that's sounds nice and all but it's not reality. if a rookie is ready, you use him. you don't "save" or keep rookies "fresh" for a season... you use them while they're healthy when they could be out for good in one play. he missed OTA's and had a slow start. he was overtaken by richardson early on and didn't have role with jackson and richardson splitting carries. this season, as long as he stays healthy, there should and will be a role imo... it's going to be interesting what that role is though.

 

[cstu]

Pead wasn't ready, a lot of rookies aren't. Why is this so difficult for people to understand?

People have good reason to be optimistic about Richardson but it's hardly a foregone conclusion that he'll have a better career than Pead.

 

[werdnoynek]

Pead wasn't ready, a lot of rookies aren't. Why is this so difficult for people to understand? People have good reason to be optimistic about Richardson but it's hardly a foregone conclusion that he'll have a better career than Pead.

agreed, richardson had a better start but some seem to be jumping to conclusions. pead was a semi-highly regarded prospect and has the goods. he needs to work hard this offseason and show he deserves a role, but at this point they dont have many other options. it will be interesting to see what the rams do here the rest of fa & the draft. he and richardson seem to be somewhat similar which is making this such a polarizing situation...

 

[TheFanatic]

I don't know how at this point anyone can think much of pead. he may surprise but it would be a surprise given last year's performance

That's a little like saying David Wilson sucked the first three quarters of the season last year. Wilson had about 15 carries by week 12. Pead only had 10 carries all season. With nobody on the roster but Richardson who faded bad down the stretch and Gannaway, he could very well get lots of carries this year if they don't bring in a RB. I'm starting to think that if they don't trade for a Blount before the season, they might burn a 1st on a RB.

Richardson faded badly down the stretch? He never got more than 7 carries in a game after week 8. More than Pead I guess.

Wait, so we can knock Pead for not getting carries all season, but when Richardson stops getting them, or they are greatly reduced, we don't attribute that to him fading. Why do you suppose he wasn't getting carries? If he is starter potential, why did the coaching staff give him so few carries the second half of the season? Were they saving him for 2013? And how come with so few carries, when he shouldve been fresh and eager, he got so few yards per carry? If he's that good shouldn't he have gotten more than the couple of yards per carry in the last 5 games?

 

[gianmarco]

Time will tell, but IMO, this argument is going to end up being fruitless because the Rams starting RB isn't on the roster yet.

 

[zilladog]

Time will tell, but IMO, this argument is going to end up being fruitless because the Rams starting RB isn't on the roster yet.

Hope your wrongI made it a point last year to get both of them, anticipating Sjax being gone and I'd have a monopoly on the situation. I don't know which one will emerge, I just hope it's one of them. Might be the last chance to lock up both rather cheaply if you can.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think Pead is the starter by end of camp.

I agree with this. Put me in the camp that Fisher isn't stupid. If you think Pead is the guy, don't put wear and tear on him his rookie year on a bad team. Just keeping him fresh baby! Wear down that late round rookie.

He must be pretty fragile if he can't handle more than 10 carries in a season

 

[The Comedian]

I think Pead is the starter by end of camp.

I agree with this. Put me in the camp that Fisher isn't stupid. If you think Pead is the guy, don't put wear and tear on him his rookie year on a bad team. Just keeping him fresh baby! Wear down that late round rookie.

lol

 

[JAA]

For the Pead lovers, I have only 1 question:

Have you ever watched him play?

Thanks

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Can't see why there isn't room for both to have touches in this offense. It's not exactly bursting with talent to the point they can't get on the field just yet.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Time will tell, but IMO, this argument is going to end up being fruitless because the Rams starting RB isn't on the roster yet.

Hope your wrongI made it a point last year to get both of them, anticipating Sjax being gone and I'd have a monopoly on the situation. I don't know which one will emerge, I just hope it's one of them. Might be the last chance to lock up both rather cheaply if you can.

I highly doubt the Rams will add someone better than either Peade or DRich at this point. First, the few decent FA RBs left will be signed elsewhere, and one could argue none of them are good enough to automatically supplant who they already have. And the draft-- if St. Louis spends yet more high picks on RBs with all the holes they still have to address, I'd seriously question the direction of this coaching staff.Peade/DRich are pretty safe, IMO.

 

[gianmarco]

Time will tell, but IMO, this argument is going to end up being fruitless because the Rams starting RB isn't on the roster yet.

Hope your wrongI made it a point last year to get both of them, anticipating Sjax being gone and I'd have a monopoly on the situation. I don't know which one will emerge, I just hope it's one of them. Might be the last chance to lock up both rather cheaply if you can.

I highly doubt the Rams will add someone better than either Peade or DRich at this point. First, the few decent FA RBs left will be signed elsewhere, and one could argue none of them are good enough to automatically supplant who they already have. And the draft-- if St. Louis spends yet more high picks on RBs with all the holes they still have to address, I'd seriously question the direction of this coaching staff.Peade/DRich are pretty safe, IMO.

The draft is where I think they will. They've got two picks in the first and I could see Lacy being taken at one of those picks.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

For the Pead lovers, I have only 1 question:Have you ever watched him play?Thanks

He played well enough in college that the Rams thought he should be the 50th overall pick in last year's draft. That carries considerably more weight to me than a handful of rookie carries in a season where the HC has said he wasn't ready because of missing OTAs due to late graduation. They simply were in no hurry to force him out there, and are as high on him as before.I rely on what coach Fisher has to say, not message boarders whose "expert" opinions are based on a few rookie touches, as to the rest of this guy's career. To write him off now makes about as much sense as quitting on your team for the year after an 0-1 start.

 

[werdnoynek]

For the Pead lovers, I have only 1 question:Have you ever watched him play?Thanks

He played well enough in college that the Rams thought he should be the 50th overall pick in last year's draft. That carries considerably more weight to me than a handful of rookie carries in a season where the HC has said he wasn't ready because of missing OTAs due to late graduation. They simply were in no hurry to force him out there, and are as high on him as before.I rely on what coach Fisher has to say, not message boarders whose "expert" opinions are based on a few rookie touches, as to the rest of this guy's career. To write him off now makes about as much sense as quitting on your team for the year after an 0-1 start.

 

[cstu]

For the Pead lovers, I have only 1 question:

Have you ever watched him play?

Thanks

 

[gianmarco]

My biggest concern with both Pead and Richardson is their size. They are both 5'10" and ~195 lbs (under 200).

I'm not saying you can't be under 200 lbs and be the primary ball carrier for a team, but if you're going to be for any extended period of time (not just flashing some talents over a few games or even over one season), you better be exceptional speed wise. Jamaal Charles was a track and field star and ran in the 4.3's. Chris Johnson needs no explanation with his speed. Both of these guys are under 200lbs but they are the exception pretty easily.

Pead and Richardson both ran a 4.47 at the combine. It's not terrible by any stretch, but it's just not good enough at their size. If anyone can provide some names of guys that were regular starters (or solid fantasy performers) under 200lbs without good speed, I'd like to see it.

This is my main issue with both of these guys and my doubts that either of them becomes the starting RB for the Rams. I'm not saying they don't look good (in fact, I was quite impressed with how Richardson looked last year). But the odds are really stacked against either of them based on their size and lack of exceptional speed.

 

[jmo87usc]

I would love to know how much of the negative posting in here about pead and richardson are from guys who don't own them or traded them away for peanuts and are now feeling remorse.

I've never seen such passion to prove someone wrong when there is no clear evidence to support either side of the debate.

I missed out on buying low on Lamar Miller. I'm not over in the Lamar Miller thread bashing him to make myself feel better. Just move on.

 

[gianmarco]

I would love to know how much of the negative posting in here about pead and richardson are from guys who don't own them or traded them away for peanuts and are now feeling remorse.I've never seen such passion to prove someone wrong when there is no clear evidence to support either side of the debate. I missed out on buying low on Lamar Miller. I'm not over in the Lamar Miller thread bashing him to make myself feel better. Just move on.

Can we stop with this silly notion that people hate players because they don't own them? It makes no sense. It didn't just so happen that Pead didn't end up on a single one of my teams and THEN I decided not to like him. That doesn't make sense. It makes more sense to not have liked him to begin with and thus never went after him. Same goes for Richardson. I had an opportunity to buy him pretty cheaply a couple times in a couple offers just recently and declined both times because I just don't think he'll ever be the main guy. I don't dislike his prospects now because I don't own him. Quite the opposite. I don't own him BECAUSE I dislike his prospects. Similarly, people that advocate for a player that they own aren't doing so just because they own them. They own them BECAUSE they liked them. It's the most ridiculous thing here to dismiss naysayer's viewpoints just because they don't own a player and similarly to dismiss an owner of a guy who is bullish on him. I don't know about you but I don't just get a random group of guys and call it my roster and then come here to try and pimp them out. I actively seek out guys that I like who end up on my roster. It would stand to reason that I would then post positive things about them. I completely missed the boat on Doug Martin last year and didn't own him on a single team. I didn't hate him as a result of that. That would be foolish.

 

[jmo87usc]

I would love to know how much of the negative posting in here about pead and richardson are from guys who don't own them or traded them away for peanuts and are now feeling remorse.I've never seen such passion to prove someone wrong when there is no clear evidence to support either side of the debate. I missed out on buying low on Lamar Miller. I'm not over in the Lamar Miller thread bashing him to make myself feel better. Just move on.

Can we stop with this silly notion that people hate players because they don't own them? It makes no sense. It didn't just so happen that Pead didn't end up on a single one of my teams and THEN I decided not to like him. That doesn't make sense. It makes more sense to not have liked him to begin with and thus never went after him. Same goes for Richardson. I had an opportunity to buy him pretty cheaply a couple times in a couple offers just recently and declined both times because I just don't think he'll ever be the main guy. I don't dislike his prospects now because I don't own him. Quite the opposite. I don't own him BECAUSE I dislike his prospects. Similarly, people that advocate for a player that they own aren't doing so just because they own them. They own them BECAUSE they liked them. It's the most ridiculous thing here to dismiss naysayer's viewpoints just because they don't own a player and similarly to dismiss an owner of a guy who is bullish on him. I don't know about you but I don't just get a random group of guys and call it my roster and then come here to try and pimp them out. I actively seek out guys that I like who end up on my roster. It would stand to reason that I would then post positive things about them. I completely missed the boat on Doug Martin last year and didn't own him on a single team. I didn't hate him as a result of that. That would be foolish.

Wow. Struck a nerve? No ones accusing you of doing this bud. Just wondered how much negativity was from envy as opposed to trying to provide useful information. Believe me, it happens. And it's annoying to have to filter through it when trying to get helpful information.

 

[JAA]

For the Pead lovers, I have only 1 question:

Have you ever watched him play?

Thanks

Ive watched a ton of his football. Im not a fan. He reminds me of Aaron Stecker or a poor mans Donald Brown

 

[JAA]

For the Pead lovers, I have only 1 question:Have you ever watched him play?Thanks

He played well enough in college that the Rams thought he should be the 50th overall pick in last year's draft. That carries considerably more weight to me than a handful of rookie carries in a season where the HC has said he wasn't ready because of missing OTAs due to late graduation. They simply were in no hurry to force him out there, and are as high on him as before.I rely on what coach Fisher has to say, not message boarders whose "expert" opinions are based on a few rookie touches, as to the rest of this guy's career. To write him off now makes about as much sense as quitting on your team for the year after an 0-1 start.

Did you watch one snap of his in college? Where was Donald Brown drafted?

 

[Otis]

For the Pead lovers, I have only 1 question:

Have you ever watched him play?

Thanks

Oof. That's like the heavy version of Rosanne Barr.

 

[cstu]

For the Pead lovers, I have only 1 question:

Have you ever watched him play?

Thanks

Clearly Jeff Fisher is and I believe he knows Pead better than any of us.

 

[TheFanatic]

I would love to know how much of the negative posting in here about pead and richardson are from guys who don't own them or traded them away for peanuts and are now feeling remorse.I've never seen such passion to prove someone wrong when there is no clear evidence to support either side of the debate. I missed out on buying low on Lamar Miller. I'm not over in the Lamar Miller thread bashing him to make myself feel better. Just move on.

Can we stop with this silly notion that people hate players because they don't own them? It makes no sense. It didn't just so happen that Pead didn't end up on a single one of my teams and THEN I decided not to like him. That doesn't make sense. It makes more sense to not have liked him to begin with and thus never went after him. Same goes for Richardson. I had an opportunity to buy him pretty cheaply a couple times in a couple offers just recently and declined both times because I just don't think he'll ever be the main guy. I don't dislike his prospects now because I don't own him. Quite the opposite. I don't own him BECAUSE I dislike his prospects. Similarly, people that advocate for a player that they own aren't doing so just because they own them. They own them BECAUSE they liked them. It's the most ridiculous thing here to dismiss naysayer's viewpoints just because they don't own a player and similarly to dismiss an owner of a guy who is bullish on him. I don't know about you but I don't just get a random group of guys and call it my roster and then come here to try and pimp them out. I actively seek out guys that I like who end up on my roster. It would stand to reason that I would then post positive things about them. I completely missed the boat on Doug Martin last year and didn't own him on a single team. I didn't hate him as a result of that. That would be foolish.

Wow. Struck a nerve? No ones accusing you of doing this bud. Just wondered how much negativity was from envy as opposed to trying to provide useful information. Believe me, it happens. And it's annoying to have to filter through it when trying to get helpful information.

He makes a very valid point. I traded DRich because I didn't like him. Traded him at the trade deadline for what turned out to be the 1.4. I knee at the time that SJ39 was likely gone at the end of the season. The guy is a scat back. That's all. I'm giddy with my return. Its not sour grapes as to why I don't think he is a good RB because I traded him. I traded him BECAUSE I don't like him and don't think he is all that good. You can think you hit a nerve but he nailed you on your faulty logic.