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It's been a great run Peyton - now enjoy retirement.. (2 Viewers)

Good chance I am misreading this but I think this is going to go south dramatically and quickly.

What he had a couple of years ago is just unrepeatable. With more concern of wear and tear and aging and loss of another big weapon, yeah, he'll still be really good/great, but he's at a point where he can't live up to his own expectations/hype. He may have a 2013 Tom Brady year and that would look like failure at this point.

 
"Play until you suck."

He threw for 4,700 yards and 39 TD's.

He doesn't suck by any means. He'll never be as good as he was... but there's a country song about that.

 
"Play until you suck."

He threw for 4,700 yards and 39 TD's.

He doesn't suck by any means. He'll never be as good as he was... but there's a country song about that.
There's also a saying about how titles are won in December, not September. Better hope that one time when he is as good as he ever was comes in week 14-16.

 
"Play until you suck."

He threw for 4,700 yards and 39 TD's.

He doesn't suck by any means. He'll never be as good as he was... but there's a country song about that.
There's also a saying about how titles are won in December, not September. Better hope that one time when he is as good as he ever was comes in week 14-16.
He's won one title in his life. That's one more than how many other QB's in the league?

Getting your team in a position to win the Superbowl is 97% of it.

 
Rotoworld:

Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reports Peyton Manning's restructured contract could create as much as $7-$9 million in cap space.
The most-likely scenario would be turning a huge chunk of Manning's $19 million 2015 salary into a "signing bonus" that could be prorated over the next two seasons. A voidable year for 2017 could also be added. Cole speculates Manning will push for the Broncos to re-sign Julius Thomas with the savings.

Source: Bleacher Report
Feb 26 - 4:16 PM
 
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports Peyton Manning has agreed to take a $4 million pay cut, reducing his salary from $19 million to $15 million.

The move creates an additional $4 million in cap space for a Broncos team looking to sign franchise player Demaryius Thomas to a long-term contract. The Broncos are also in the market for up to three new offensive linemen, in addition to possibly re-signing free agent DT Terrance Knighton. Manning's $15 million base salary makes him the sixth-highest paid quarterback just behind Jay Cutler.


Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter
Mar 4 - 3:12 PM
 
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports Peyton Manning has agreed to take a $4 million pay cut, reducing his salary from $19 million to $15 million.

The move creates an additional $4 million in cap space for a Broncos team looking to sign franchise player Demaryius Thomas to a long-term contract. The Broncos are also in the market for up to three new offensive linemen, in addition to possibly re-signing free agent DT Terrance Knighton. Manning's $15 million base salary makes him the sixth-highest paid quarterback just behind Jay Cutler.

Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter

Mar 4 - 3:12 PM
Man, we throw these numbers out and get numb. Say what you want, but to agree to take 20% less at your job when you don't have to says something.

 
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports Peyton Manning has agreed to take a $4 million pay cut, reducing his salary from $19 million to $15 million.

The move creates an additional $4 million in cap space for a Broncos team looking to sign franchise player Demaryius Thomas to a long-term contract. The Broncos are also in the market for up to three new offensive linemen, in addition to possibly re-signing free agent DT Terrance Knighton. Manning's $15 million base salary makes him the sixth-highest paid quarterback just behind Jay Cutler.

Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter

Mar 4 - 3:12 PM
Jay freaking Cutler! Ouch!!!

 
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports Peyton Manning has agreed to take a $4 million pay cut, reducing his salary from $19 million to $15 million.

The move creates an additional $4 million in cap space for a Broncos team looking to sign franchise player Demaryius Thomas to a long-term contract. The Broncos are also in the market for up to three new offensive linemen, in addition to possibly re-signing free agent DT Terrance Knighton. Manning's $15 million base salary makes him the sixth-highest paid quarterback just behind Jay Cutler.

Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter

Mar 4 - 3:12 PM
Man, we throw these numbers out and get numb. Say what you want, but to agree to take 20% less at your job when you don't have to says something.
so selfless.....

man's a hero

 
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports Peyton Manning has agreed to take a $4 million pay cut, reducing his salary from $19 million to $15 million.

The move creates an additional $4 million in cap space for a Broncos team looking to sign franchise player Demaryius Thomas to a long-term contract. The Broncos are also in the market for up to three new offensive linemen, in addition to possibly re-signing free agent DT Terrance Knighton. Manning's $15 million base salary makes him the sixth-highest paid quarterback just behind Jay Cutler.

Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter

Mar 4 - 3:12 PM
Man, we throw these numbers out and get numb. Say what you want, but to agree to take 20% less at your job when you don't have to says something.
Maybe he had to.

 
I applaud Manning here but people make decisions in careers to take less money for professional success all the time.

 
This is a move for DT and JT to get signed and for the Broncos to be better situated with respect to capology. Not going to happen to the avg schmo and it shouldn't. The Broncos only care about the cap space here.

 
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This is a move for DT and JT to get signed and for the Broncos to be better situated with respect to capology. Not going to happen to the avg schmo and it shouldn't. The Broncos only care about the cap space here.
the Julius Thomas re-signing ship has sailed. not happening.

 
So with everyone saying Manning is taking a $4 million pay cut, are they all saying that they think there is almost no chance den wins the AFC let alone the SB?

 
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports Peyton Manning has agreed to take a $4 million pay cut, reducing his salary from $19 million to $15 million.

The move creates an additional $4 million in cap space for a Broncos team looking to sign franchise player Demaryius Thomas to a long-term contract. The Broncos are also in the market for up to three new offensive linemen, in addition to possibly re-signing free agent DT Terrance Knighton. Manning's $15 million base salary makes him the sixth-highest paid quarterback just behind Jay Cutler.

Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter

Mar 4 - 3:12 PM
Man, we throw these numbers out and get numb. Say what you want, but to agree to take 20% less at your job when you don't have to says something.
Lots of people would take a 20% base pay cut when you have a chance to earn it back and you're reasonably sure the money will be used to make you better. DT and better OL will save Peyton next year.

 
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports Peyton Manning has agreed to take a $4 million pay cut, reducing his salary from $19 million to $15 million.

The move creates an additional $4 million in cap space for a Broncos team looking to sign franchise player Demaryius Thomas to a long-term contract. The Broncos are also in the market for up to three new offensive linemen, in addition to possibly re-signing free agent DT Terrance Knighton. Manning's $15 million base salary makes him the sixth-highest paid quarterback just behind Jay Cutler.

Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter

Mar 4 - 3:12 PM
Man, we throw these numbers out and get numb. Say what you want, but to agree to take 20% less at your job when you don't have to says something.
who said he didn't have to?

 
So Peyton restructured and freed up $4M. Why wouldn't he do something more meaningful (say $10M) so his team can actively add pieces that will enhance their super bowl potential. Peyton has as much money as he could ever want, what he doesn't have is enough super bowl wins. I don't get why he wouldn't give up more to forever change his legacy. It's not like he has to write anyone a check, he's still being paid $10M.

You'd think he'd almost play for free to get another title. That would put him back into the conversation as best ever.

 
So Peyton restructured and freed up $4M. Why wouldn't he do something more meaningful (say $10M) so his team can actively add pieces that will enhance their super bowl potential. Peyton has as much money as he could ever want, what he doesn't have is enough super bowl wins. I don't get why he wouldn't give up more to forever change his legacy. It's not like he has to write anyone a check, he's still being paid $10M.

You'd think he'd almost play for free to get another title. That would put him back into the conversation as best ever.
No,it wouldn't. If he won another one next year, it wouldn't put him in the conversation.

How do I know this? Because he just gave up 4 million dollars, and here you are saying it isn't enough.

 
i think every player on the Broncos should follow his lead and take a 25% paycut.

and all the free agents should go to Denver for less money.

CHAMPIONSHIP.

 
So Peyton restructured and freed up $4M. Why wouldn't he do something more meaningful (say $10M) so his team can actively add pieces that will enhance their super bowl potential. Peyton has as much money as he could ever want, what he doesn't have is enough super bowl wins. I don't get why he wouldn't give up more to forever change his legacy. It's not like he has to write anyone a check, he's still being paid $10M.

You'd think he'd almost play for free to get another title. That would put him back into the conversation as best ever.
I hate to "spend" another man's money, but I tend to agree. On top of what he's already made, the guy will have all the major sports networks backing up a truck of money to get him in their studio after he retires, so it's not like this is his last paycheck.

 
i think every player on the Broncos should follow his lead and take a 25% paycut.

and all the free agents should go to Denver for less money.

CHAMPIONSHIP.
Not all Broncos have made $250M or have an opportunity to leave a legacy as the best ever.

 
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The Broncos have cap space. They are in the middle of the pack in terms of cap space, with a lot fewer needs than most teams in better cap shape. The Broncos could sign two top free agents with ease. They aren't going to be big players in free agency because their team is mostly set.

5 mill more from Peyton would be useful, sure. But if they need 5 mill more, they can do it without asking anyone for a pay cut.

They have a franchise tag on Demaryius, is that a luxury that a team desperate for cap space can afford???? Sign him long term, and you can drop his cap number for 12 mill to about 5 mill. Von Miller has a 10 mill salary. Convert salary to a signing bonus, and gain another 5 mill. This team could get to 40 mill in cap room with ease. Could it potentially be kicking the can down the road? Sure. Who cares. This team is the definition of '2015 or Bust'.

The Broncos could keep most of their free agents if they really wanted to. They are choosing to let Julius walk, they don't think he's worth what he wants.

Where is the crying need for cap space?

More interesting: Where's the national stories on Drew Brees, and his bloated cap number? The Saints are about to start tossing bodies off the ship, and he has a 26 mill cap number.

What about Stafford? He has made more in salary than any young QB ever.

 
Now that I think about it, Broncos fans should be a little peeved the team isn't going All-In this year.

Why not get to 40 mill in cap space, and sign Adrian Peterson? Or Revis? Why NOT go get Revis?

 
Now that I think about it, Broncos fans should be a little peeved the team isn't going All-In this year.

Why not get to 40 mill in cap space, and sign Adrian Peterson? Or Revis? Why NOT go get Revis?
Peyton's situation is unique due to how much money he makes off the field and and his standing among the all time greats.

I was just posting a question based on his unique circumstance. If you don't want to consider it, don't.

 
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The Broncos have cap space. They are in the middle of the pack in terms of cap space, with a lot fewer needs than most teams in better cap shape. The Broncos could sign two top free agents with ease. They aren't going to be big players in free agency because their team is mostly set.

5 mill more from Peyton would be useful, sure. But if they need 5 mill more, they can do it without asking anyone for a pay cut.

They have a franchise tag on Demaryius, is that a luxury that a team desperate for cap space can afford???? Sign him long term, and you can drop his cap number for 12 mill to about 5 mill. Von Miller has a 10 mill salary. Convert salary to a signing bonus, and gain another 5 mill. This team could get to 40 mill in cap room with ease. Could it potentially be kicking the can down the road? Sure. Who cares. This team is the definition of '2015 or Bust'.

The Broncos could keep most of their free agents if they really wanted to. They are choosing to let Julius walk, they don't think he's worth what he wants.

Where is the crying need for cap space?

More interesting: Where's the national stories on Drew Brees, and his bloated cap number? The Saints are about to start tossing bodies off the ship, and he has a 26 mill cap number.

What about Stafford? He has made more in salary than any young QB ever.
Elway has been consistent with his message from day 1 that his philosophy isn't about winning now, it's about winning from now on. He does not, and has not, structured contracts with big signing bonuses, kicking the can down the road. That's not how the Broncos function, and it's why they are always in good shape cap-wise. 3 years in a row, they have landed key free agents and it's because they aren't strapped with ballooning salaries or dead money from older contracts. I'm talking about guys like Talib, Ward, Ware, Vasquez, Welker, Knighton, Sanders, DRC, Phillips, McGahee, Bunkley, etc.

Every year since Elway took over, they came out strong in free agency. Fans of other teams ask how they are able to do this, and it's because Elway has let big salaries walk when play diminishes (Champ Bailey, Dreessen, Stokley), has let replacement players walk rather than fork over big money (Decker, Ayers, Moreno, Woodyard, Bunkley, DRC), and has asked vets to take a haircut (Manning, Dumervil).

They aren't going to restructure DT to a $5m deal with a huge signing bonus, that's not how Elway does business. If you want to see an example of how his contract will look, take a peek at Ryan Clady - the last guy the Broncos franchise-tagged. He signed a long-term deal - 5 years, $52m, with a $3m signing bonus. his first two years, his dead cap # was slightly higher than his cap hit, but for the next three years the Broncos could cut him and save about $10M in salary with minimal dead money.

bottom line - Elway will not allow the Broncos to go to salary cap hell in a couple of years for a title shot now.

 
No doubt. And frankly, last year, I was really impressed with the contracts they signed last spring. No long term problems on the horizon.

Which is why they have the flexibility to push some money into the future. Once Manning is gone, so will Ware and a few other vets, and cap space isn't going to remotely be a problem.

They could add Demarco Murray and Revis. Maybe they'd have 8 mill in dead money from them in 2017, but really, isn't a title worth that?

 
No doubt. And frankly, last year, I was really impressed with the contracts they signed last spring. No long term problems on the horizon.

Which is why they have the flexibility to push some money into the future. Once Manning is gone, so will Ware and a few other vets, and cap space isn't going to remotely be a problem.

They could add Demarco Murray and Revis. Maybe they'd have 8 mill in dead money from them in 2017, but really, isn't a title worth that?
Revis across from Talib would be money and well worth it.

Murray? I don't think he is.

 
No FA signings of note, Julius Thomas and Orlando Franklin lost in free agency, Demaryius not signed to a long-term deal.

So what exactly is Denver doing with that extra money from Peyton?

 
No doubt. And frankly, last year, I was really impressed with the contracts they signed last spring. No long term problems on the horizon.

Which is why they have the flexibility to push some money into the future. Once Manning is gone, so will Ware and a few other vets, and cap space isn't going to remotely be a problem.

They could add Demarco Murray and Revis. Maybe they'd have 8 mill in dead money from them in 2017, but really, isn't a title worth that?
Elway is proably in better position than any other man alive to realistically evaluate whether a Manning-led team that they mortgaged their future for would be likely to bring home a ring this year.

Plenty of fans and pundits don't think so. There's certainly a very strong "Peyton will always come up small in the end" narrative out there.

Maybe Elway agrees. Or at least, agrees to the extent that he feels it's not a smart bet hamstringing themselves moving forward to chase it. :shrug:

If I'm an owner or exec, I'm thrilled to have the biggest, easiest-to-market superstar in the game's history play out his career for me, no matter how long he wants to hang on, ESPECIALLY if he still sleepwalks to 10+ wins a year.

But I'm not exactly planning any postseason parades, either. :shrug:

 
No FA signings of note, Julius Thomas and Orlando Franklin lost in free agency, Demaryius not signed to a long-term deal.

So what exactly is Denver doing with that extra money from Peyton?
Oh, does the season start tomorrow?

Patience. Teams that make huge splashes the first few days of free agency are rarely standing at the end of the season. By waiting out the beginning of the free agency period, you can get good deals later on. This is not new.

 
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No FA signings of note, Julius Thomas and Orlando Franklin lost in free agency, Demaryius not signed to a long-term deal.

So what exactly is Denver doing with that extra money from Peyton?
Oh, does the season start tomorrow?

Patience. Teams that make huge splashes the first few days of free agency are rarely standing at the end of the season. By waiting out the beginning of the free agency period, you can get good deals later on. This is not new.
Better than Knighton @1yr/$4mil? Have to admit I'll be looking forward to those.

 
No FA signings of note, Julius Thomas and Orlando Franklin lost in free agency, Demaryius not signed to a long-term deal.

So what exactly is Denver doing with that extra money from Peyton?
Oh, does the season start tomorrow?

Patience. Teams that make huge splashes the first few days of free agency are rarely standing at the end of the season. By waiting out the beginning of the free agency period, you can get good deals later on. This is not new.
Agreed.

 
No FA signings of note, Julius Thomas and Orlando Franklin lost in free agency, Demaryius not signed to a long-term deal.

So what exactly is Denver doing with that extra money from Peyton?
Oh, does the season start tomorrow?

Patience. Teams that make huge splashes the first few days of free agency are rarely standing at the end of the season. By waiting out the beginning of the free agency period, you can get good deals later on. This is not new.
Better than Knighton @1yr/$4mil? Have to admit I'll be looking forward to those.
Redskins kind of had an advantage there, his best friend since childhood is another of our DT's.

 
The arm is gone
That should have been an easy catch and throw to Demaryius for a TD on the play near the red zone, but Peyton underthrew him badly. I said last January that it looked like Father Time had finally caught him, and it still looks like that. Could be an ugly last season for him, especially by his standards.

 
The arm is gone
That should have been an easy catch and throw to Demaryius for a TD on the play near the red zone, but Peyton underthrew him badly. I said last January that it looked like Father Time had finally caught him, and it still looks like that. Could be an ugly last season for him, especially by his standards.
Yeah, but ugly for Peyton is probably 11-5 with 40 TDs and losing in round 2 of the playoffs.

 

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