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It's been a great run Peyton - now enjoy retirement.. (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
Completely agree. From what i saw in both games i can easily see KC winning by a touchdown or more. Peyton just looked awful while Smith looked great.KC could very well kill Denver.Manning is in the twilight of his career. He has talent all around him and all he has to do is make limited plays just like Elway did. Is he a 400 yards passer like the Manning of the past? No, but he can still manage the game enough to get wins.What I saw today were timing issues with WRs and O-line issues. Plus the Balt. Defense is no joke--this was a great game to get a win.
Denver is going to kill KC.
Pipes
Footballguy
Isn't KC's pass rush more fierce than the Ravens? With Denver's oline issues I wouldn't feel comfortable starting any Denver offensive player.Manning is in the twilight of his career. He has talent all around him and all he has to do is make limited plays just like Elway did. Is he a 400 yards passer like the Manning of the past? No, but he can still manage the game enough to get wins.What I saw today were timing issues with WRs and O-line issues. Plus the Balt. Defense is no joke--this was a great game to get a win.
Denver is going to kill KC.
lod01
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I still don't understand why Fox & more importantly Gase were cut loose by Elway. They did have a good thing at least on offense. This just looks like the old Ravens/Texans passing games, I think this is more Kubiak than Manning, albeit recognizing Manning's growing limitations they're not that bad.
metoo
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Yep. i don't own manning but i own Thomas. thought about trying to trade him in the offseason but didn't act on it. oh well.
ponchsox
Footballguy
The Denver Post reports Demaryius Thomas will likely undergo an X-ray on his hand after tweaking it in Sunday's win.
Thomas missed a play or two in the fourth quarter, but didn't appear any worse for the wear. Bad news would be surprising. Thomas' status should be updated on Monday.
Thomas missed a play or two in the fourth quarter, but didn't appear any worse for the wear. Bad news would be surprising. Thomas' status should be updated on Monday.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I'm sure glad they did.
flapgreen
Footballguy
If you mean a Super Bowl, Kubs is? The criticism of Fox is laughable. Unless you're comparing him to Belichek or a couple other guys, he's just as good as the rest of good coaches.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Did I see a false start penalty on Manning yesterday?
LawFitz
Footballguy
Peyton Manning, Broncos preach patience after Week 1 struggles:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000530325/article/peyton-manning-broncos-preach-patience-after-week-1-struggles
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000530325/article/peyton-manning-broncos-preach-patience-after-week-1-struggles
Mile High
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
What's he going for these days? Seems weird to say it but I might go after him if his owner is scared, with the idea that he'll be better with oz.
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Footballguy
Im staying away from DT. I don't like the new offense at ALL! i watched peyton during his conference at the end of the game and he was not happy/comfortable with anything they were asking that had to do with the offense. I don't think peyton himself is don't talent wise and strength wise but his greatest strength was reading the defense and calling the play himself. Now Kubiak has control of all that and you can tell just by the way he was talking yesterday.
ffldrew
Footballguy
I'll disagree here with the Kubiak portion - I think he was trying to avoid throwing the OL under the bus. He was trying to do just as you say and read the D. Inevitably he had problems because this line is all new - yesterday was the first time playing together. He is still making the calls at the line - and right now he has no confidence in their ability to work out the blitzes - especially the late blitz. So his calls at the line snowball and lack confidence. He's also recognizing his limits as well - and it frustrates him regarding these calls. That late blitz has to be solved - because he can't move and while he sees a pre snap blitz teams are now able to hold a second and pick/change the hole through the line. He's a sitting duck back there in these situations. This OL is light years difference from the one 2 years ago - 3 rookies and lower talent at tackle. It's going to take a while to fix and get all of the OL working together. Hopefully Peyton can survive and make better calls/reads and the OL to react before he gets killed. He knows there is trouble and he knows that he is partly to blame - I think he can still make a difference on the field - just not enough for all the fantasy players out there.
Mile High
Footballguy
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Exactly I love the way people are letting their fantasy football cloud football reality. Manning is in full Elway mode. I have lived in Colorado all my life (46 years). I have played FF for 25 years and I can tell you I remember the 97 and 98 Super Bowl Bronco years very well.
1997--Denver goes 6-0 to start and in those games Elway never throws for over 233 yards in any of those first six games. They finish 12-4 with Elway breaking the 300 yard mark once and Denver wins it all with a good running game and strong D
1998-Denver starts 13-0 and in those games Elway only throws for over 300 yards twice in 5 of those games he is in hundreds. Denver wins the Super Bowl.
This season--Denver has an amazing defense. A strong kicker, Lots of weapons on offense. If the injury bug stays away, Manning can be average and this team will contend. NE may very well win their division, but they have 3 teams there with strong defenses that won't make it easy and Indy is already one back in the divisional standings.
I think Denver beats KC because Alex Smith is well. Alex Smith, You hit him a couple times, he gets jumpy and scrambles and there goes the KC offensive game plan.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The big difference is, Elway could still sling it, even if he couldn't run around like he used to. Look at the TD throw to Rod Smith in his last pro game, the 80-yard bomb. The way Peyton looks now, he'd missed Smith by a mile on that kind of throw.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
But think about it this way, how much practice did Manning get with Sanders? I mean Sanders looked like he was just in another gear compared to every player on the field Sunday. This kind of timing will take a bit to get down. I would have loved to see a reverse play to Sanders just to get him the ball. The offense was really generic in my opinion.
Now I am not blind, I have two concerns, I think some have accurately pointed out that Manning has used a lot more body vs arm to get the ball down the field and that makes it harder to be accurate. Also Kubiak promised a lot more runs and not Manning chucking it 45 times a game, but with Manning changing so many plays at the line, how many running plays are being audibled out of because Manning wants to make a play?
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
also Elway retired at 38. Manning is falling apart physically, it's just the reality of getting old.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
The problem is you are comparing stats from 97 and 98 to today's league. You act like Elway was a game manager in 97, yet he had the 6th most yards in the league and the 4th most touchdowns. In 98 he was 11th but missed 3 games and most of another so his pace would have put him 7th in the league. The Peyton Manning we have seen for the last half season or so doesn't look like he could be a top 10 quarterback in this league.
1997--Denver goes 6-0 to start and in those games Elway never throws for over 233 yards in any of those first six games. They finish 12-4 with Elway breaking the 300 yard mark once and Denver wins it all with a good running game and strong D
1998-Denver starts 13-0 and in those games Elway only throws for over 300 yards twice in 5 of those games he is in hundreds. Denver wins the Super Bowl.
This season--Denver has an amazing defense. A strong kicker, Lots of weapons on offense. If the injury bug stays away, Manning can be average and this team will contend. NE may very well win their division, but they have 3 teams there with strong defenses that won't make it easy and Indy is already one back in the divisional standings.
I think Denver beats KC because Alex Smith is well. Alex Smith, You hit him a couple times, he gets jumpy and scrambles and there goes the KC offensive game plan.
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flapgreen
Footballguy
You won't be for long. You can just blame it on Peyton, though.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
No, it was his 2nd half in 2014 in addition to his Week 1 outing. He's been garbage since November of last year.
A Rocky Start for Peyton and His New Offense:
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/09/14/denver-broncos-opener-nfl-2015-peyton-manning-gary-kubiak
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/09/14/denver-broncos-opener-nfl-2015-peyton-manning-gary-kubiak
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Manning is getting castrated in here, but a lot of it is because of how great he used to be. Even with his limitations, he's still better than at least 10 other starting QBs in the NFL right now. He's had a couple of ugly passes this game way off target (he's always had 2 or 3 a game BTW), but he's also hit 5 or 6 passes to very well covered WR's, in stride- passes that no more than 4 or 5 other NFL QBs hit with any consistancy.
"He sucks" is just not a fair assessment right now. He's a mixed bag unlike anything we've ever seen before. He's a viable NFL starter, probably average on balance....just with a mix of attributes at this point we've never seen before, and may never see again. Instead of shouting how he sucks, we should be marveling at how a guy with such a weak arm can still be remotely effective in the NFL
Manning is getting castrated in here, but a lot of it is because of how great he used to be. Even with his limitations, he's still better than at least 10 other starting QBs in the NFL right now. He's had a couple of ugly passes this game way off target (he's always had 2 or 3 a game BTW), but he's also hit 5 or 6 passes to very well covered WR's, in stride- passes that no more than 4 or 5 other NFL QBs hit with any consistancy.
"He sucks" is just not a fair assessment right now. He's a mixed bag unlike anything we've ever seen before. He's a viable NFL starter, probably average on balance....just with a mix of attributes at this point we've never seen before, and may never see again. Instead of shouting how he sucks, we should be marveling at how a guy with such a weak arm can still be remotely effective in the NFL
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Not impressed with the TDs.
I thought the 80 yard TD drive was pretty impressive. The TD's themselves were nothing amazing.
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Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I am stunned. I thought he was done, but he started looking more like himself as the game went on, and that last drive was phenomenal.
Warrior
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
No such thing as an expert. I personally know a handful of people who are easily better at anything and everything FF related than any of the "experts" I have seen on major sites, including this one.
Having your own show or website doesnt make you an expert.
Are any of these "experts" in any leagues with any of you guys?
Riffraff
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
It was pretty apparent to me that he lacks arm strength. He was lobbing every throw. His deep balls might as well have been pitching wedges.
strong
Footballguy
i hope people bought low on him. no other FF player's value took such a hit after week 1 and had owners listening to offers.
doubt he sniffs the top 3, but he couldve been had for a bag of chips yesterday and there's a good chance he still lands around QB8 or so. easily could have been had for a backup QB or WR4.
doubt he sniffs the top 3, but he couldve been had for a bag of chips yesterday and there's a good chance he still lands around QB8 or so. easily could have been had for a backup QB or WR4.
Definitely not top-5 in fantasy. But we can re-visit that in a few weeks when your enthusiasm subsides a bit 
However, this was a beyond impressive performance from a 39-year old. Obviously, his arm strength is lacking and no one respects his deep ball. Obviously, his O-line is horrible at run blocking and both of his RBs do not seem anything special. Yet - without a deep ball and without a viable run game and with only two stand-out WRs - Manning repeatedly dissected one of the superior NFL defenses. He did this with ~100% short-to-intermediate throws. He seemed to connect with Demaryius and Sanders almost at will and despite the defense's concerted efforts to cover only them. When BOTH were double-covered, he moved the chains using random guys like Norwood, Virgil and Daniels. Overall, the only reason the Broncos were in position to win this one was Manning's surgical performance in the short and intermediate game.
I don't think he will be throwing for 250 and 3TDs most weeks, so temper your enthusiasm as a fantasy owner. But in the real NFL world, if that defense unit continues to hold on to its end of the bargain, I do think Denver might have its best shot at a SB during its entire Manning period.
However, this was a beyond impressive performance from a 39-year old. Obviously, his arm strength is lacking and no one respects his deep ball. Obviously, his O-line is horrible at run blocking and both of his RBs do not seem anything special. Yet - without a deep ball and without a viable run game and with only two stand-out WRs - Manning repeatedly dissected one of the superior NFL defenses. He did this with ~100% short-to-intermediate throws. He seemed to connect with Demaryius and Sanders almost at will and despite the defense's concerted efforts to cover only them. When BOTH were double-covered, he moved the chains using random guys like Norwood, Virgil and Daniels. Overall, the only reason the Broncos were in position to win this one was Manning's surgical performance in the short and intermediate game.
I don't think he will be throwing for 250 and 3TDs most weeks, so temper your enthusiasm as a fantasy owner. But in the real NFL world, if that defense unit continues to hold on to its end of the bargain, I do think Denver might have its best shot at a SB during its entire Manning period.
bostonfred
Footballguy
This reminds me of his first three weeks in Denver. He had just missed a year and people were afraid his neck might never be the same. His arm strength was noticeably weaker. He was working with good receivers in a new system. And he was missing them, sometimes badly.
We all know how he ended up doing that year, and the year after. But the thing I'm interested in is the adjustment. It took him a couple weeks to figure out his timing. Like a batter starting his swing a little earlier, or a pitcher who uses smarts instead of speed to get guys out, manning needs to figure out how much to adjust his timing because the ball isn't just coming out slower, his arm is taking longer to release.
If you go back and watch some of the throws last week and early last night, he was underthrowing guys on deep balls, then slightly overthrowing them on the next pass. It looks like he's just inaccurate, but I think he's learning. If I want to hit Thomas in stride I need to let go now, not a split second later the way I used to. Which means I need to anticipate a little earlier, and start my arm moving a little earlier.
By the end of the game he looked better than at the start of last game. You'd think he'd have worked these things out in preseason, but it's different when you're avoiding an actual pass rush that isn't going to pull up on a hit.
I don't know if he can reinvent himself as a quarterback with a noodle arm who can still throw for 4500/40. But I think we're going to see continued adjustments and a transformation. He seems more locked in to sanders both games than I had expected, and seemed more willing to throw jump balls towards Thomas last night. I don't own him, but I see the upside starting to happen.
We all know how he ended up doing that year, and the year after. But the thing I'm interested in is the adjustment. It took him a couple weeks to figure out his timing. Like a batter starting his swing a little earlier, or a pitcher who uses smarts instead of speed to get guys out, manning needs to figure out how much to adjust his timing because the ball isn't just coming out slower, his arm is taking longer to release.
If you go back and watch some of the throws last week and early last night, he was underthrowing guys on deep balls, then slightly overthrowing them on the next pass. It looks like he's just inaccurate, but I think he's learning. If I want to hit Thomas in stride I need to let go now, not a split second later the way I used to. Which means I need to anticipate a little earlier, and start my arm moving a little earlier.
By the end of the game he looked better than at the start of last game. You'd think he'd have worked these things out in preseason, but it's different when you're avoiding an actual pass rush that isn't going to pull up on a hit.
I don't know if he can reinvent himself as a quarterback with a noodle arm who can still throw for 4500/40. But I think we're going to see continued adjustments and a transformation. He seems more locked in to sanders both games than I had expected, and seemed more willing to throw jump balls towards Thomas last night. I don't own him, but I see the upside starting to happen.
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