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Mueller found some evidence of wrong doing and referred it to SDNY. Trump's appointee reviewed it and agreed it was worth investigating then recused himself. These are not Mueller's charges. You're conflating the two.
seeing the witness's that are cooperating with the gov't, seeing the redacted documents, seeing the pieces of information that have hit the news about conspiracy with Russia (CA, Wikileaks, numerous guilty pleas for lying about contacts, etc.) what is your confidence level that this is as bad as it gets and that Mueller has nothing else?
piss off. I don't constantly surround myself with these people and if you can read and comprehend, you would have known that. you want me to find a new job, move to a new state, and disown some family members because I'm surrounded by racists? no thanks, I have kids in school and a great job.
It was Mueller’s evidence that started it. He then referred it on.
Mueller asked for leniency because of Cohen's help in Mueller's investigation. The only overlap was Mueller referring the case to SDNY. After that, it was out of Mueller's hands. I see you really don't care, yet argue against facts.
what do you mean, except for the racist co-workers? you want me to leave my job and take a pay cut so I don't have to work with racists? I mentioned that above.
I’m not the one surrounding myself with alleged racists and bigots. I generally choose to avoid them.
I'm sure you do. you seem like the type that's really bothered by racism and bigotry
This is different than this:
It's true Mueller found the initial evidence, it is untrue that it's part of his ongoing investigation. It has nothing to do with Mueller other than him passing the information on to SDNY. Mueller doesn't have it as part of his investigation and never has, so if Trump uses this as some sort of vindication in the "Trump-Russia collusion investigation" all it really tells us is he is as confused as is anyone who joins him in said belief.
That’s true. I really couldn’t be happy at a job working with racists and bigots. And if I lived in a community full of them I would definitely find a way to get my family out of there.
yes, I bet you would. at least this is the internet and I don't have to deal with racists and people who don't have a problem supporting racists so to ignore you go.
He said he was happy at his job, but that his coworkers are racists and bigots. He couldn’t move because his kids have school, but his neighbors are racists and bigots. Just odd.
From an article I read recently - "federal election laws are like “No Smoking” signs in France: rules that exist only for our amusement".
This would have been useful to know for the many individuals and entities that have been punished or paid a fine for violating them in the past.
Iffy?
Lots of fines. Very little of anything beyond that. Seems like a lot of winking and nodding. Nobody wants to seriously ding someone when they could get caught doing things similar.
Yup, goal posts are officially at "so what, he committed some minor felonies! Everyone does it."
What important work did Trump do on the Farm Bill?Stealthycat said:
I saw Trump tweeting about this non-stop...oh, wait, no that was Cohen, Witch Hunt and how it's completely fine to commit felonies...
Single-handedly subsidized potato farmers through all of his McDonalds french fries.
The FBI and the DOJ are worried about getting caught paying out 100's of thousands of dollars in hush money?
Campaign finance violations are something to be concerned about and take action on. There's no comfortable level of cynical acceptance of this kind of activity. Particularly when we're talking about elections at the Federal level. I'm surprised you'd be so cavalier about it.
the stupid part of all of this is that they didn't have to pay anyone off. Trump supporters were clearly OK with issues much more important than this, what with the ##### grabbing, handicap mocking, veteran slamming, immigrant bashing, racial discriminating, business bankrupting, and all of the other stupid things Trump said and did before and during the campaign. he could have had a rally and announced that he was banging porn stars just after Melania gave birth, and his supporters would've probably started booing Melania or chanting to lock her up.
The very nature of a campaign finance violation means apossible change in outcome of an election.
I had thought about editing to "presidential" election. But by your own admission, Trump's alleged felonies may have resulted in an illegitimate president. Strange, and yet you're ok with all of it.
True. I’m not concerned with how the pornstar payout was done. It certainly wouldn’t lead me to think a presidential election should be nullified.
I'll admit that in the grand scheme of crimes Trump and Trump Org may be guilty of, felonies with respect to campaign finance laws are probably at the bottom.
Is there a campaign finance line that if crossed, would concern you? Seems like such an odd stance to take for paying hush money to influence an election seems like a pretty simple "too far" for most people
This is what his lawyer is going to say, and it's plausible (IMO, it's probably a bit of both). Not sure how this prosecution flies - we have direct precedent with John Edwards, and he was found not guilty.
If you think the Edwards case helps Trump, you should read up on the details of each case.
I don't see how the Edwards ruling applies. In Edwards' case it was argued that he was protecting his dying wife from the beginning. Trump has no dying wife and he didn't seem to give a #### until he started running for office. If that's not enough of a difference the fact that he argued he was a crap human being, acknowledge that he in fact did cheat, but claims he didn't know he was using campaign money would be another significant difference. If that's not enough you have to other parties saying they were part of the conspiracy.
Interesting - didn't know that. In that case any substantive information would have come out well after the election.
