Jacksonville WR situation (1 Viewer)

[salmonstud]

NFL Live I believe tonight....reported that Wilford & Northcut would be the day 1 starters. Said that both Matt Jones & Williams have not had a good camp. Take that for what it's worth.

 

[Chaos Commish]

NFL Live I believe tonight....reported that Wilford & Northcut would be the day 1 starters. Said that both Matt Jones & Williams have not had a good camp. Take that for what it's worth.

The report seemed very valid and went like this.WR1 = WilfordWR2 = NorthcuttWR3 = WalkerWR4 = JonesReggie Williams running with the 3rd string.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

The strange thing about this is that you usually hear *exactly* why a WR is going to get benched or cut--he's out of shape, he doesn't know the offense, or he's dropping passes, or he's a cancer...

So what's the deal with Reggie?

 

[fatness]

Jags receiver Wilford leaves practice with knee injury

Jacksonville saw a second dependable veteran go down in training camp today when receiver Ernest Wilford left the morning practice with an unspecified knee injury.

Wilford, who started 12 games last season, was helped off the field midway through the workout. Team officials classified the injury as "not serious" but offered no early diagnosis.

Wilford was playing with the first unit when it used three receivers alongside Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The strange thing about this is that you usually hear *exactly* why a WR is going to get benched or cut--he's out of shape, he doesn't know the offense, or he's dropping passes, or he's a cancer...

So what's the deal with Reggie?

(AP) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Reggie Williams started nearly every game as a rookie in 2004. He's been sliding down the Jaguars' depth chart ever since.Now, he might be on his way out of Jacksonville.

The former first-round draft pick, selected ninth overall, was listed as the No. 5 receiver on the team's depth chart released Tuesday. It was a strong indication the Jaguars have nearly given up on Williams after three disappointing seasons.

"You can't surround any quarterback with inconsistency," first-year receivers coach Todd Monken said. "You can't have guys just running around, dropping balls, not at the right depth. The first thing here is getting guys that are consistent. I've never been around any passing game that's worth a damn if you can't be in the right spot all the time and catch it.

"It seems so simple, but somehow it hasn't been simple. It should be that simple: play your (butt) off, get in the right spot, catch the thing and we'll go from there. But for some reason, that's been hard."

I'd say that might have something to do with it. btw...what do I win?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Jags receiver Wilford leaves practice with knee injury

Jacksonville saw a second dependable veteran go down in training camp today when receiver Ernest Wilford left the morning practice with an unspecified knee injury.

Wilford, who started 12 games last season, was helped off the field midway through the workout. Team officials classified the injury as "not serious" but offered no early diagnosis.

Wilford was playing with the first unit when it used three receivers alongside Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

(AP) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jaguars receiver Ernest Wilford sprained his left knee during practice Tuesday and had to be helped off the field.The team called the injury "minor" and expected him back later this week. Wilford had an MRI exam later in the day, and coach Jack Del Rio said the results were positive.

"To even think about not having him would be a big hurt to the team," teammate Dennis Northcutt said.

Wilford hurt his knee during team drills, getting tangled with a defender. He was on the ground for several minutes, then had to be helped to the sideline.

He was later carted to the locker room.

A fourth-round pick from Virginia Tech in 2004, Wilford has 96 catches for 1,476 yards and 11 touchdowns. He moved past former first-round picks Matt Jones and Reggie Williams on the depth chart this spring and has maintained a starting spot since.

"Ernest is having a great camp," quarterback Byron Leftwich said. "You understand the type of player Ernest is. Hopefully, we can get some good news and he will be back out there."

 

[Tommy Collins]

Clowdy.... at best.

 

[hephner]

The strange thing about this is that you usually hear *exactly* why a WR is going to get benched or cut--he's out of shape, he doesn't know the offense, or he's dropping passes, or he's a cancer...

So what's the deal with Reggie?

(AP) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Reggie Williams started nearly every game as a rookie in 2004. He's been sliding down the Jaguars' depth chart ever since.Now, he might be on his way out of Jacksonville.

The former first-round draft pick, selected ninth overall, was listed as the No. 5 receiver on the team's depth chart released Tuesday. It was a strong indication the Jaguars have nearly given up on Williams after three disappointing seasons.

"You can't surround any quarterback with inconsistency," first-year receivers coach Todd Monken said. "You can't have guys just running around, dropping balls, not at the right depth. The first thing here is getting guys that are consistent. I've never been around any passing game that's worth a damn if you can't be in the right spot all the time and catch it.

"It seems so simple, but somehow it hasn't been simple. It should be that simple: play your (butt) off, get in the right spot, catch the thing and we'll go from there. But for some reason, that's been hard."

I'd say that might have something to do with it. btw...what do I win?

Looks like this may be an exerpt from an article, but it's hard to tell the context of the comments by the receivers coach. Was he asked about Williams specifically, or the WR corps in general?If it were definitely about Williams specifically, this might be the most useful post we've seen on this thread. If it was a general statement about their WR play in total, then this is may be merely motivational coach speak targeting the group as a whole.

Link?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

You're right that he didn't mention Williams' by name, but I think it's clear who he was talking about. YMMV

Here's a bit more from later in the article:

Monken talked about his receivers for 15 minutes Tuesday and said little about Williams.

He praised Northcutt and fellow starter Wilford, who sustained a mild knee sprain in practice Tuesday and had an MRI exam scheduled. He added that Charles Sharon was in the mix with the first-team offense.

Monken also said the 6-foot-6 Jones had found his niche as a slot receiver, creating mismatches for linebackers and safeties and giving Leftwich a big target down the middle.

And even though Walker was listed behind Williams on the depth chart, it may have been because Del Rio placed most of the rookies at the bottom of the list.

"He's got natural ball skills and a natural feel for route running," Monken said of Walker, who is still recovering from a knee injury sustained in college. "Once his knee fully comes around and he's able to practice fast all the time, I think he's going to develop into a heck of a player. When that is, I don't know."

Monken did say that Williams, who has 114 catches for 1,329 yards and five touchdowns in three seasons, was one of the team's best at running after the catch.

But will that be enough to keep him on the roster?

"You're trying to fit all the pieces in the right holes," Monken said. "Is that easy? No, but it's the way to become the most efficient. ... If they don't fit some role, I don't know how you keep them. Where do you play them? Where's their spot?"

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=252242

 

[JaxBill]

FWIW, here's college highlights of Broussard at San jose State-

 

[JaxBill]

Here's the video from last Friday after the scrimmage-

http://www.jaguars.com/multimedia/video.aspx?id=2382

About 2/3 of the way through, JDR says that he'll " put out a depthchart because he has to and it doesn't mean a thing. All of the rookies will be at the bottom. We have to give Miami something and don't put a lot of stock in it. "

 

[Rounders]

Okay what we know so far:

1) News reports out of camp are down on Jones and Williams and pimping Northcutt, Walker, and Wilford

2) FBG Board members & Jacksonvile MB members have been saying that Williams is having a "good" camp and Jones is banged up with injuries.

3) Depth chart released yesterday was summarized by JDR -- "We have to give Miami something and don't put a lot of stock in it."

1st team: Wilford & Northcutt

2nd team: Jones & Sharon

3rd team: Williams & Roosevelt Kiser

4th team: Broussard & Jimmy Farris

5th team: Mike Walker & D'Juan Woods

What to make of all of this???

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

From the Jax Times Union:

The Jaguars received a scare Tuesday when wide receiver Ernest Wilford went down after catching a pass in practice and writhed in pain as he clutched his left knee.

Wilford had to be helped from the field by two members of the Jaguars' medical staff and couldn't put any weight on his left leg. However, Wilford might be fortunate because a team spokesman described the injury as a mild sprain, and pending the results of an MRI exam, the Jaguars hope to have the fourth-year pro back by the end of the week.

The Jaguars don't want to lose Wilford because he has played a valuable starting role in their new offense.

"He's been having a great camp," new wide receivers coach Todd Monken said. "He works awfully hard on maximizing his ability."

Although the competition for wide receiver spots is still open, Monken said that Dennis Northcutt and Wilford have moved to the top of the list because they're consistent and do things right. Northcutt was expected to be a slot receiver when he was signed with the Jaguars as a free agent from the Cleveland Browns, but now he's the No. 1.

"You know exactly where he's going to be every single down," Monken said. "He maximizes his ability."

Monken said the Jaguars' top receivers are Northcutt, Wilford and Charles Sharon, along with Matt Jones in the slot. They're followed by Reggie Williams and rookies John Broussard and Mike Walker.

The fact that Williams and Jones - who were first-round picks in 2004 and 2005, respectively - aren't higher on the Jaguars' depth chart shows that they still have to step up their game.

"It is what it is," Monken said. "Guys take reps based on where they're at. If they [Williams and Jones] can't figure it out, you can't paint more of a vivid picture. It's time for Reggie and Matt to do it. If not now, when?"

Monken believes Williams is best at running after the catch.

"Obviously, what we're working on is catching the thing so he can run with it," Monken said. "Reggie's had a problem when the ball is out front. He almost always goes down. He'll slide. He doesn't know how to catch it and stay on the run."

Although the receiving corps is unsettled, the Jaguars have high expectations. Monken said coach Jack Del Rio believes the Jaguars can be as good as the New Orleans Saints, who went to the NFC title game last year.

"Del Rio said it the perfect way. Why can't we be like the Saints?" Monken said. "We've got Maurice Drew. They've got Reggie Bush. We've got Fred Taylor. They've got Deuce McAllister.

"When Joe Horn went down, they had [Devery] Henderson. What was that other guy's name? Colston, Goldston [rookie Marques Colston]. You can't tell me Mike Walker isn't as good as that guy Goldston or Colston or whatever his name is. And they had a good quarterback and had explosive guys and just put them in the right spots to make it work. Why can't we do that?"

Monken also rejected the suggestion that the Jaguars' receivers aren't good enough to win with in the NFL.

"I don't believe that," he said. "I think all of our guys are legitimate pro receivers."

 

[mightyeskimo]

Here's the video from last Friday after the scrimmage-

http://www.jaguars.com/multimedia/video.aspx?id=2382

About 2/3 of the way through, JDR says that he'll " put out a depthchart because he has to and it doesn't mean a thing. All of the rookies will be at the bottom. We have to give Miami something and don't put a lot of stock in it. "

Based on what JDR says in this clip I think people are over-reacting to this info. I believe this version of the depth chart means close to nothing.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

The strange thing about this is that you usually hear *exactly* why a WR is going to get benched or cut--he's out of shape, he doesn't know the offense, or he's dropping passes, or he's a cancer...

So what's the deal with Reggie?

(AP) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Reggie Williams started nearly every game as a rookie in 2004. He's been sliding down the Jaguars' depth chart ever since.Now, he might be on his way out of Jacksonville.

The former first-round draft pick, selected ninth overall, was listed as the No. 5 receiver on the team's depth chart released Tuesday. It was a strong indication the Jaguars have nearly given up on Williams after three disappointing seasons.

"You can't surround any quarterback with inconsistency," first-year receivers coach Todd Monken said. "You can't have guys just running around, dropping balls, not at the right depth. The first thing here is getting guys that are consistent. I've never been around any passing game that's worth a damn if you can't be in the right spot all the time and catch it.

"It seems so simple, but somehow it hasn't been simple. It should be that simple: play your (butt) off, get in the right spot, catch the thing and we'll go from there. But for some reason, that's been hard."

I'd say that might have something to do with it. btw...what do I win?

Looks like this may be an exerpt from an article, but it's hard to tell the context of the comments by the receivers coach. Was he asked about Williams specifically, or the WR corps in general?If it were definitely about Williams specifically, this might be the most useful post we've seen on this thread. If it was a general statement about their WR play in total, then this is may be merely motivational coach speak targeting the group as a whole.

Link?

Funny how this is probably taken out of context. It is and has been Wilford who has routinely struggled with drops as has been mentioned before. Williams actually has led the team the past two years in the amount of catchable balls caught, while Wilford has been at the bottom of this list for two years- in fact leading the league in 2005 in the amount of catchable balls dropped.

His struggles have extended into training camp where he had an absolutely miserable week last week and could not catch a ball if his life depended on it. He was being hounded by Monken has has since shown immense progress. But this is exactly what has plagued him and subsequently the Jaguars the past few years- inconsistency. He can make a hell of a play on one drive and snuff out another on a frustrating drop.

Williams on the other hand perhaps was the most consistent WR on the roster the past two years, and while he still has some work to do before he becomes a polished receiver, he has shown strides and improved every year. I see no reason why he should be cut save some internal squabbling that has him in the coach's doghouse (which I highly doubt).

This may be the classic case of taking a quote out of context. Monken may very well be referring to nobody in general but because Reggie was not mentioned, it was assumed that Monken was referring to him.

Trust what you see in training camp, not some beat writer.

 

[JaxBill]

From the Jax Times Union:

"It is what it is," Monken said. "Guys take reps based on where they're at. If they [Williams and Jones] can't figure it out, you can't paint more of a vivid picture. It's time for Reggie and Matt to do it. If not now, when?"

Monken believes Williams is best at running after the catch.

"Obviously, what we're working on is catching the thing so he can run with it," Monken said. "Reggie's had a problem when the ball is out front. He almost always goes down. He'll slide. He doesn't know how to catch it and stay on the run."

Sounds like a coach trying to light a fire under a couple players before a meaningless preseason games.

 

[FavreCo]

From the Jax Times Union:

"It is what it is," Monken said. "Guys take reps based on where they're at. If they [Williams and Jones] can't figure it out, you can't paint more of a vivid picture. It's time for Reggie and Matt to do it. If not now, when?"

Monken believes Williams is best at running after the catch.

"Obviously, what we're working on is catching the thing so he can run with it," Monken said. "Reggie's had a problem when the ball is out front. He almost always goes down. He'll slide. He doesn't know how to catch it and stay on the run."

Sounds like a coach trying to light a fire under a couple players before a meaningless preseason games.

This Monken tool needs to do a little studying of game film. Specifically the Jags-Redskins game where Reggie was used properly. If I recall, Reggie caught 2 TD's with slants and seam routes one of which he was drilled and stayed on his feet running into the endzone. This Monkey guy is an idiot.

 

[switz]

At the beginning of camp I read that Del Rio said that M.Jones & R.Williams (Salt and Pepper) would not be guaranteed starters. I even heard the Williams may be cut, although I think that is "ploy".As I read the latest depth chart from FBG: WR: Reggie Williams, Matt Jones (inj), Ernest Wilford, Dennis Northcutt, Charles Sharon, Mike Walker, John Broussard, Jimmy Farris, D'Juan Woods, Roosevelt KiserWhat injury does Jones have?Who's going to emerge as the starters?Who has been looking good in camp? Any sleeper potential?Any Jax homers have any information?

Maybe a Honda, but ESPN on their Training Camp piece had both Williams and Jones as second teamers, actually as WR #4 and #5.Wilford, Northcutt, and Walker were 1, 2, & 3

 

[switz]

From the Jax Times Union:

"It is what it is," Monken said. "Guys take reps based on where they're at. If they [Williams and Jones] can't figure it out, you can't paint more of a vivid picture. It's time for Reggie and Matt to do it. If not now, when?"

Monken believes Williams is best at running after the catch.

"Obviously, what we're working on is catching the thing so he can run with it," Monken said. "Reggie's had a problem when the ball is out front. He almost always goes down. He'll slide. He doesn't know how to catch it and stay on the run."

Sounds like a coach trying to light a fire under a couple players before a meaningless preseason games.

This Monken tool needs to do a little studying of game film. Specifically the Jags-Redskins game where Reggie was used properly. If I recall, Reggie caught 2 TD's with slants and seam routes one of which he was drilled and stayed on his feet running into the endzone. This Monkey guy is an idiot.

I'm pretty sure he's the WR positional coach and has done alot of film breaking down, as well as first hand observation. I would guess he's probably A LOT more familiar with the Jax WRs than any of us on this board.

 

[JaxBill]

Wilford is suppsed to be day-to-day and jogged on the side in practice.

Matt Jones has a tweaked hamstring. It's not supposed to be serious, but he did miss practice yesterday. On the radio, there is conjecture that Jones could miss Saturday's game at Miami.

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

Rotoworld's take: Similar to what has been discussed in this thread.

Reggie Williams-WR-Jaguars Aug. 7 - 2:55 pm et

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.

There is ZERO chance Reggie will be cut. There is a 100% chance he starts week 1.

Since you feel ther is ZERO chance that Reggie gets cut and zero chance that he isn't an opening day starter, what kind of odds would you be willing to give on those two propositions? 10 to 1? That seems more than fair since you think they are both certainties. I'll take each one for $10 at 10 to 1 if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is.I follow this situation very closely and it is better than even money that either Williams or Wilford get cut, IMO. Those who discount Sharon's chances of making the team haven't been paying close enough attention or aren't getting the most accurate reports. Sharon, Northcutt and Walker had the best summers of any Jags WRs. Del Rio called Sharon the best route runner on the team after Monday night's practice and he caught a deep TD from Leftwich in practice this morning, too.

The only three WRs to have a lock on a roster spot are Northcutt, Walker and Jones. There is no way they are cutting Jones after two years in which he has been slowed by hamstring issues, been learning how to play the position and scored nine TDs in two years while averaging nearly 16 ypc last year.

For every Sharon or Brousard that makes the roster, Williams or Wilford is gone unless they keep six. That's a possibility but that's not what is expected amongst the local media. Vic Ketchman of jaguars dot com was on local radio last Friday and said he thinks Brousard makes the team and that Williams or Jones is gone, but that Jones will get the benefit of the doubt because of the factors I cited above. That was before Jones made a leaping catch over a DB on a pass from Leftwich at the Jaguar scrimmage on Friday night. It wasn't the first time he was targeted in the redzone and the feeling is that is where the team will try to utilize him this year.

But then again, I might be totally wrong...but I'm willing to take those bets with those odds because you seemed convinced there is no way you can lose.

Are YOU giving 10 to 1 odds on that(Jones)? I agree Northcutt and Walker are locks and I agree that Wilford is pretty gone. From the training camp reviews I've read, Jones is still running terrible routes, shows no passion to go get the ball, and has been in the doghouse with the receivers coach.I haven't heard anything from Ketchman saying that Williams was gone.

Sorry, I wasn't around for a few days so I couldn't reply. Here is a link to the archived radio interview with Ketchman:http://1010xl.com/interviews/0803_press_box_vic_ketchman.mp3

There is stuff on the WRs all throughout the first part of the interview but particularly pay attention to Vic's comments after the 4:30 minute mark and judge for yourself.

 

[JaxBill]

Rotoworld's take: Similar to what has been discussed in this thread.

Reggie Williams-WR-Jaguars Aug. 7 - 2:55 pm et

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.

There is ZERO chance Reggie will be cut. There is a 100% chance he starts week 1.

Since you feel ther is ZERO chance that Reggie gets cut and zero chance that he isn't an opening day starter, what kind of odds would you be willing to give on those two propositions? 10 to 1? That seems more than fair since you think they are both certainties. I'll take each one for $10 at 10 to 1 if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is.I follow this situation very closely and it is better than even money that either Williams or Wilford get cut, IMO. Those who discount Sharon's chances of making the team haven't been paying close enough attention or aren't getting the most accurate reports. Sharon, Northcutt and Walker had the best summers of any Jags WRs. Del Rio called Sharon the best route runner on the team after Monday night's practice and he caught a deep TD from Leftwich in practice this morning, too.

The only three WRs to have a lock on a roster spot are Northcutt, Walker and Jones. There is no way they are cutting Jones after two years in which he has been slowed by hamstring issues, been learning how to play the position and scored nine TDs in two years while averaging nearly 16 ypc last year.

For every Sharon or Brousard that makes the roster, Williams or Wilford is gone unless they keep six. That's a possibility but that's not what is expected amongst the local media. Vic Ketchman of jaguars dot com was on local radio last Friday and said he thinks Brousard makes the team and that Williams or Jones is gone, but that Jones will get the benefit of the doubt because of the factors I cited above. That was before Jones made a leaping catch over a DB on a pass from Leftwich at the Jaguar scrimmage on Friday night. It wasn't the first time he was targeted in the redzone and the feeling is that is where the team will try to utilize him this year.

But then again, I might be totally wrong...but I'm willing to take those bets with those odds because you seemed convinced there is no way you can lose.

Are YOU giving 10 to 1 odds on that(Jones)? I agree Northcutt and Walker are locks and I agree that Wilford is pretty gone. From the training camp reviews I've read, Jones is still running terrible routes, shows no passion to go get the ball, and has been in the doghouse with the receivers coach.I haven't heard anything from Ketchman saying that Williams was gone.

Sorry, I wasn't around for a few days so I couldn't reply. Here is a link to the archived radio interview with Ketchman:http://1010xl.com/interviews/0803_press_box_vic_ketchman.mp3

There is stuff on the WRs all throughout the first part of the interview but particularly pay attention to Vic's comments after the 4:30 minute mark and judge for yourself.

Thanks. I hadn't heard that. Vic has seemed down on Reggie in his column the last couple days. I dunno. I still think it's a ploy to light a fire under the vets. I'll still be surprised if they cut him, especially if they keep Jones.

 

[Two Deep]

From the Jax Times Union:

The Jaguars received a scare Tuesday when wide receiver Ernest Wilford went down after catching a pass in practice and writhed in pain as he clutched his left knee.

Wilford had to be helped from the field by two members of the Jaguars' medical staff and couldn't put any weight on his left leg. However, Wilford might be fortunate because a team spokesman described the injury as a mild sprain, and pending the results of an MRI exam, the Jaguars hope to have the fourth-year pro back by the end of the week.

The Jaguars don't want to lose Wilford because he has played a valuable starting role in their new offense.

"He's been having a great camp," new wide receivers coach Todd Monken said. "He works awfully hard on maximizing his ability."

Although the competition for wide receiver spots is still open, Monken said that Dennis Northcutt and Wilford have moved to the top of the list because they're consistent and do things right. Northcutt was expected to be a slot receiver when he was signed with the Jaguars as a free agent from the Cleveland Browns, but now he's the No. 1.

"You know exactly where he's going to be every single down," Monken said. "He maximizes his ability."

Monken said the Jaguars' top receivers are Northcutt, Wilford and Charles Sharon, along with Matt Jones in the slot. They're followed by Reggie Williams and rookies John Broussard and Mike Walker.

The fact that Williams and Jones - who were first-round picks in 2004 and 2005, respectively - aren't higher on the Jaguars' depth chart shows that they still have to step up their game.

"It is what it is," Monken said. "Guys take reps based on where they're at. If they [Williams and Jones] can't figure it out, you can't paint more of a vivid picture. It's time for Reggie and Matt to do it. If not now, when?"

Monken believes Williams is best at running after the catch.

"Obviously, what we're working on is catching the thing so he can run with it," Monken said. "Reggie's had a problem when the ball is out front. He almost always goes down. He'll slide. He doesn't know how to catch it and stay on the run."

Although the receiving corps is unsettled, the Jaguars have high expectations. Monken said coach Jack Del Rio believes the Jaguars can be as good as the New Orleans Saints, who went to the NFC title game last year.

"Del Rio said it the perfect way. Why can't we be like the Saints?" Monken said. "We've got Maurice Drew. They've got Reggie Bush. We've got Fred Taylor. They've got Deuce McAllister.

"When Joe Horn went down, they had [Devery] Henderson. What was that other guy's name? Colston, Goldston [rookie Marques Colston]. You can't tell me Mike Walker isn't as good as that guy Goldston or Colston or whatever his name is. And they had a good quarterback and had explosive guys and just put them in the right spots to make it work. Why can't we do that?"

Monken also rejected the suggestion that the Jaguars' receivers aren't good enough to win with in the NFL.

"I don't believe that," he said. "I think all of our guys are legitimate pro receivers."

I have to ask why this nimrod would have Walker listed last on his depth chart and then go on to say he is as good as last years best rookie wide receiver.

 

[switz]

From the Jax Times Union:

The Jaguars received a scare Tuesday when wide receiver Ernest Wilford went down after catching a pass in practice and writhed in pain as he clutched his left knee.

Wilford had to be helped from the field by two members of the Jaguars' medical staff and couldn't put any weight on his left leg. However, Wilford might be fortunate because a team spokesman described the injury as a mild sprain, and pending the results of an MRI exam, the Jaguars hope to have the fourth-year pro back by the end of the week.

The Jaguars don't want to lose Wilford because he has played a valuable starting role in their new offense.

"He's been having a great camp," new wide receivers coach Todd Monken said. "He works awfully hard on maximizing his ability."

Although the competition for wide receiver spots is still open, Monken said that Dennis Northcutt and Wilford have moved to the top of the list because they're consistent and do things right. Northcutt was expected to be a slot receiver when he was signed with the Jaguars as a free agent from the Cleveland Browns, but now he's the No. 1.

"You know exactly where he's going to be every single down," Monken said. "He maximizes his ability."

Monken said the Jaguars' top receivers are Northcutt, Wilford and Charles Sharon, along with Matt Jones in the slot. They're followed by Reggie Williams and rookies John Broussard and Mike Walker.

The fact that Williams and Jones - who were first-round picks in 2004 and 2005, respectively - aren't higher on the Jaguars' depth chart shows that they still have to step up their game.

"It is what it is," Monken said. "Guys take reps based on where they're at. If they [Williams and Jones] can't figure it out, you can't paint more of a vivid picture. It's time for Reggie and Matt to do it. If not now, when?"

Monken believes Williams is best at running after the catch.

"Obviously, what we're working on is catching the thing so he can run with it," Monken said. "Reggie's had a problem when the ball is out front. He almost always goes down. He'll slide. He doesn't know how to catch it and stay on the run."

Although the receiving corps is unsettled, the Jaguars have high expectations. Monken said coach Jack Del Rio believes the Jaguars can be as good as the New Orleans Saints, who went to the NFC title game last year.

"Del Rio said it the perfect way. Why can't we be like the Saints?" Monken said. "We've got Maurice Drew. They've got Reggie Bush. We've got Fred Taylor. They've got Deuce McAllister.

"When Joe Horn went down, they had [Devery] Henderson. What was that other guy's name? Colston, Goldston [rookie Marques Colston]. You can't tell me Mike Walker isn't as good as that guy Goldston or Colston or whatever his name is. And they had a good quarterback and had explosive guys and just put them in the right spots to make it work. Why can't we do that?"

Monken also rejected the suggestion that the Jaguars' receivers aren't good enough to win with in the NFL.

"I don't believe that," he said. "I think all of our guys are legitimate pro receivers."

I have to ask why this nimrod would have Walker listed last on his depth chart and then go on to say he is as good as last years best rookie wide receiver.

I'm not sure about him being last on the "real" depth chart, as he's been running as the #3 WR in camp.

 

[JaxBill]

From the Jax Times Union:

The Jaguars received a scare Tuesday when wide receiver Ernest Wilford went down after catching a pass in practice and writhed in pain as he clutched his left knee.

Wilford had to be helped from the field by two members of the Jaguars' medical staff and couldn't put any weight on his left leg. However, Wilford might be fortunate because a team spokesman described the injury as a mild sprain, and pending the results of an MRI exam, the Jaguars hope to have the fourth-year pro back by the end of the week.

The Jaguars don't want to lose Wilford because he has played a valuable starting role in their new offense.

"He's been having a great camp," new wide receivers coach Todd Monken said. "He works awfully hard on maximizing his ability."

Although the competition for wide receiver spots is still open, Monken said that Dennis Northcutt and Wilford have moved to the top of the list because they're consistent and do things right. Northcutt was expected to be a slot receiver when he was signed with the Jaguars as a free agent from the Cleveland Browns, but now he's the No. 1.

"You know exactly where he's going to be every single down," Monken said. "He maximizes his ability."

Monken said the Jaguars' top receivers are Northcutt, Wilford and Charles Sharon, along with Matt Jones in the slot. They're followed by Reggie Williams and rookies John Broussard and Mike Walker.

The fact that Williams and Jones - who were first-round picks in 2004 and 2005, respectively - aren't higher on the Jaguars' depth chart shows that they still have to step up their game.

"It is what it is," Monken said. "Guys take reps based on where they're at. If they [Williams and Jones] can't figure it out, you can't paint more of a vivid picture. It's time for Reggie and Matt to do it. If not now, when?"

Monken believes Williams is best at running after the catch.

"Obviously, what we're working on is catching the thing so he can run with it," Monken said. "Reggie's had a problem when the ball is out front. He almost always goes down. He'll slide. He doesn't know how to catch it and stay on the run."

Although the receiving corps is unsettled, the Jaguars have high expectations. Monken said coach Jack Del Rio believes the Jaguars can be as good as the New Orleans Saints, who went to the NFC title game last year.

"Del Rio said it the perfect way. Why can't we be like the Saints?" Monken said. "We've got Maurice Drew. They've got Reggie Bush. We've got Fred Taylor. They've got Deuce McAllister.

"When Joe Horn went down, they had [Devery] Henderson. What was that other guy's name? Colston, Goldston [rookie Marques Colston]. You can't tell me Mike Walker isn't as good as that guy Goldston or Colston or whatever his name is. And they had a good quarterback and had explosive guys and just put them in the right spots to make it work. Why can't we do that?"

Monken also rejected the suggestion that the Jaguars' receivers aren't good enough to win with in the NFL.

"I don't believe that," he said. "I think all of our guys are legitimate pro receivers."

I have to ask why this nimrod would have Walker listed last on his depth chart and then go on to say he is as good as last years best rookie wide receiver.

Because Walker's a rookie. JDR said all rookies would be ont he bottom of the depth chart and not to read anything into it.

 

[Bri]

Okay what we know so far:1) News reports out of camp are down on Jones and Williams and pimping Northcutt, Walker, and Wilford2) FBG Board members & Jacksonvile MB members have been saying that Williams is having a "good" camp and Jones is banged up with injuries.3) Depth chart released yesterday was summarized by JDR -- "We have to give Miami something and don't put a lot of stock in it."1st team: Wilford & Northcutt 2nd team: Jones & Sharon 3rd team: Williams & Roosevelt Kiser4th team: Broussard & Jimmy Farris5th team: Mike Walker & D'Juan WoodsWhat to make of all of this???

From what I can gather from reading a bunch on this the last few months is this-That's a who's doing well in camp list.Jones in the slot, they are falling in love with that idea. Teams do alot of 2 TE in preseason then rarely use it. Teams do gimmick plays in preseason and then rarely use em'. I'm thinking Jones in the slot sticks.Northcutt was supposed to be the slot guy, the veteran they depended on for some key 3rd down catches. I don't think that's changed too much. They cover themselves with Jones' injury history and he can play the other spots well(and I think he'll be sprinkled in outside a decent amount).Sharon has been a terrific halfway surprise having worked real hard from being a PS guy last year. One Jag coach said (something along the lines of)he worked so hard on his route running, right now it's flawless. They don't have a clue where to use him but want to use him. Del Rio loves this guy's work ethic and determination and if you've followed Del Rio you know that matters a good amount.Walker will start. I don't know when but he will as long as he stays healthy. The coach, the positional coach, the OC, both QBs that matter, everyone loves this guy. Jags beat writers too for that matter. IIRC Ask Vic and Lageman said he was easily the best WR on the Jags.Wilford (who many clamorred for in years past when Jones and Williams came along) has finally earned his starting spot. Of course then he goes and hurts himself. Hopefully he's OK.For the bulk of the season I imagine it'sWilford and Walkers starting with Jones in the slot. Northcutt will sub for all of them and see way more time than any other 4th WR in the NFL. Sharon....still don't know yet.Broussard is not just fast, but he's just fast. I imagine KR/PR ST type work for him and maybe in 08 they'll give him an opportunity to really play WR. They comment on how he's not just fast but then use him like a "just fast" type WR.Williams is out of the mix and I wouldn't be shocked if he's traded for a conditional pick rather than waived. I don't think he's a bad player, I just think the Jags are loaded at WR.

 

[ebcpastor2004]

Williams is out of the mix and I wouldn't be shocked if he's traded for a conditional pick rather than waived. I don't think he's a bad player, I just think the Jags are loaded at WR.

IMO, this seems more likely than a release. I have to ask though, who could use him as a #1-3 WR? And what kind of pick would the Jags be willing to take?

 

[Bri]

Williams is out of the mix and I wouldn't be shocked if he's traded for a conditional pick rather than waived. I don't think he's a bad player, I just think the Jags are loaded at WR.

IMO, this seems more likely than a release. I have to ask though, who could use him as a #1-3 WR? And what kind of pick would the Jags be willing to take?

First off, I don't know his contract situation which would/could come into play here.Jags would probably be willing to take anything, I think it's the other end of the deal that would be an issue. If traded I think it'd have to be a conditional pick. They'd get the most bang for their buck and the team that get Williams will consider it a minimal risk.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I just think the Jags are loaded at WR.

i think they've got 5-6 guys who are great atheletes but are so-so recievers. this is why northcut looks so good to them. remember this is dennis friggen journeyman norhtcut. leftwhich likes williams, this alone will keep him in the starting lineup. just my .02

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Williams is out of the mix and I wouldn't be shocked if he's traded for a conditional pick rather than waived. I don't think he's a bad player, I just think the Jags are loaded at WR.

IMO, this seems more likely than a release. I have to ask though, who could use him as a #1-3 WR? And what kind of pick would the Jags be willing to take?

First off, I don't know his contract situation which would/could come into play here.Jags would probably be willing to take anything, I think it's the other end of the deal that would be an issue. If traded I think it'd have to be a conditional pick. They'd get the most bang for their buck and the team that get Williams will consider it a minimal risk.

Bri, I'm not sure what you have been reading to lead to this result. Reggie has been on the same page as Leftwich all throughout camp and has played at a consistent level, dropping some balls but making plays when the ball comes to him, especially when Leftwich is throwing. Seems like the #2 option on the offense behind northcutt in 11x11 drills. Wilford has improved steadily since his low point last week, but has been sidelined by injuries yet again. Perhaps its me, but I take my chances on the healthy guy 10 times out of 10. If Wilford can't stay healthy, I don't like his chances.

As for the scout team report, that has since been debunked. Jacksonville currently does not have a scout team because all players are running the same offense on a single field. Where he was playing, on the other field, was in front of players being worked out. While this is a bit alarming, its popular opinion that he and Monken are having a personality clash and has gotten into HIS doghouse. But you can bet your ### JDR fields the best 53 men.

Also of note, MJD was in the same role last year, working with the second team return unit on the other field. Any questions about him making the roster? I think not. Some more food for thought was that Charles Sharon and D'Juan Woods ran with the first team on Thursday. Does that make them the favorites to win the starting job?

IMO its a clash of personalities between the flamboyant Williams and the outspoken, hardassed Monken. It was speculated that they would go head to head at some point but I really would make nothing of it unless Williams is really being a cancer on the team. Which would be a real shock to me.

 

[Mr. Bill O'Reilly]

This is all quite entertaining.

Day one starters will be Williams and Jones.

 

[Bri]

Williams is out of the mix and I wouldn't be shocked if he's traded for a conditional pick rather than waived. I don't think he's a bad player, I just think the Jags are loaded at WR.

IMO, this seems more likely than a release. I have to ask though, who could use him as a #1-3 WR? And what kind of pick would the Jags be willing to take?

First off, I don't know his contract situation which would/could come into play here.Jags would probably be willing to take anything, I think it's the other end of the deal that would be an issue. If traded I think it'd have to be a conditional pick. They'd get the most bang for their buck and the team that get Williams will consider it a minimal risk.

Bri, I'm not sure what you have been reading to lead to this result. Reggie has been on the same page as Leftwich all throughout camp and has played at a consistent level, dropping some balls but making plays when the ball comes to him, especially when Leftwich is throwing. Seems like the #2 option on the offense behind northcutt in 11x11 drills.

that's fine, it's all opinion anyhow, we can disagree.

Wilford has improved steadily since his low point last week, but has been sidelined by injuries yet again. Perhaps its me, but I take my chances on the healthy guy 10 times out of 10. If Wilford can't stay healthy, I don't like his chances.

I don't think the Jags really cared too much about his game being "off" for a little bit there. It may be the start of TC and all but they've been around(Minus some breaks) for quite a while now.

As for the scout team report, that has since been debunked. Jacksonville currently does not have a scout team because all players are running the same offense on a single field. Where he was playing, on the other field, was in front of players being worked out. While this is a bit alarming, its popular opinion that he and Monken are having a personality clash and has gotten into HIS doghouse. But you can bet your ### JDR fields the best 53 men.

I don't know what ya mean by scout report, but nonethelessWell...it's entirely possible that I saw a video or a comment in a negative "vein" or somesuch and thought the coach thought poorly of Reggie. I suppose that's possible.

Also of note, MJD was in the same role last year, working with the second team return unit on the other field. Any questions about him making the roster? I think not. Some more food for thought was that Charles Sharon and D'Juan Woods ran with the first team on Thursday. Does that make them the favorites to win the starting job?

Cmon now, this is off on a tangent. I never "jumped off an bridges" in my original post.If Sharon and Woods run with the first team that means Del Rio wants to get a look at them. That's all it means IMO. If you see that often enough then it can mean more.

As for MJD, coaches have had difficulty decipherring between how much to play their best players for decades. I don't doubt he's thinking "play him there? what about the risk?"

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

It doesn't even look like Reggie Williams is playing tonight. And if he is, he doesn't have a catch to show for it.

Not a good sign.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

Never mind. He finally got a catch.

 

[TD32]

Matt Jones play any?

 

[Mr. Bill O'Reilly]

Matt Jones play any?

Matt had 2 catches for 43 yards.

 

[rascal]

Leftwich was sacked three times tonight??? I'll be suprised if he last an entire season again.

 

[JaxBill]

My thoughts on the Jags WR perfomance last night-

Wilford - had a nice catch at the beginning of the game and an overall pretty good game.

Jones - Started off horrendously with a dropped ball that was a little behind him but still hit him in the hands, followed that up with another drop that would've been a harder catch, and finally didn't have the hot read on the blitz and had a pass hit him before he could turn around. He DID have a really nice catch later on but he is still wildly inconsistent.

Northcutt - nice catch on the TD.

Williams - pretty invisible last night. Caught the only ball they targeted him last night.

Walker - had a pretty good showing in the second half.

Broussard - it was in mopup duty but I was still impressed. He has Pinkston-like legs but still made a couple nice catches in traffic. His speed forced a defensive PI call.

Overall, Broussard was the one I was most impressed with and I'm starting to think he's almost worked himself onto the squad. I went into this game thinking that Wilford and Williams were fighting for one roster spot but now I'm thinking that Jones and Williams are fighting for one spot.

Also, the offensive line had several missed assignments that lef to Leftwich getting pressured. Vonnie Holliday got called for a blow to the head (and landed on Leftwich) on a play where Leftwich really took a serious shot.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

My thoughts on the Jags WR perfomance last night-Wilford - had a nice catch at the beginning of the game and an overall pretty good game.Jones - Started off horrendously with a dropped ball that was a little behind him but still hit him in the hands, followed that up with another drop that would've been a harder catch, and finally didn't have the hot read on the blitz and had a pass hit him before he could turn around. He DID have a really nice catch later on but he is still wildly inconsistent.Northcutt - nice catch on the TD.Williams - pretty invisible last night. Caught the only ball they targeted him last night.Walker - had a pretty good showing in the second half.Broussard - it was in mopup duty but I was still impressed. He has Pinkston-like legs but still made a couple nice catches in traffic. His speed forced a defensive PI call.Overall, Broussard was the one I was most impressed with and I'm starting to think he's almost worked himself onto the squad. I went into this game thinking that Wilford and Williams were fighting for one roster spot but now I'm thinking that Jones and Williams are fighting for one spot. Also, the offensive line had several missed assignments that lef to Leftwich getting pressured. Vonnie Holliday got called for a blow to the head (and landed on Leftwich) on a play where Leftwich really took a serious shot.

Matt had his ups and downs but he damn well needs to learn how to protect the ball. On one of his catch and runs, he was literally flaunting the ball to defenders and a solid hit easily could have dislodged it. He's not Deion.

 

[Wadsworth]

I said a month ago it looked like Northcut was the only lock to make the roster. I'd update that now by saying that Walker's knee has held up pretty well and he's already shown enough as a 3rd round rookie to make the grade. But that's it. Monken is a real deal old school coach that demands a lot from his WRs. Several locals have commentted that he comes off like a young Tom Coughlin and anyone familiar with Tom understands what that means. Tom Coughlin would cut his grandson from a PeeWee League team if he didn't do things his way.

It remains to be seen how much say Monken has in the final roster, but if Jack Del Rio gives Monken total control there could be some major changes. It appears that Reggie Williams' flashy attitude is clashing with Monken's no nonsense work program. Reggie works as hard as anyone, so that kinda surprised me. And Matt Jones... I just don't know what to make of him. He has all the talent in the world but drops easy passes, doesn't block, quits on plays when the QB scambles, doesn't recognize when he's the hot read, runs around holding the ball while in traffic in one hand like a loaf of bread, and tweaks his hammy every other week. I could go on but you get the picture. Wilford just isn't that good. He's a great guy and works really hard but he's slow, older than the others, a bigger cap hit and drops more passes than any jags WR(and that's saying something).

I can't imagine all 3 getting cut but certainly 1 and possibly 2 could not make the 53 man. This is not just coach speak, there are legit reasons to consider letting each of them go.

Beyond that, Broussard is making a serious push for a roster spot and with one more game like the Miami game he'll make it almost impossible for Jacksonville to consider trying to hide him on the practice squad. Sharon looks good, but he's going to have to look better than good to make the roster. He has 3 more games to make his case.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

It remains to be seen how much say Monken has in the final roster, but if Jack Del Rio gives Monken total control there could be some major changes. It appears that Reggie Williams' flashy attitude is clashing with Monken's no nonsense work program. Reggie works as hard as anyone, so that kinda surprised me. And Matt Jones... I just don't know what to make of him. He has all the talent in the world but drops easy passes, doesn't block, quits on plays when the QB scambles, doesn't recognize when he's the hot read, runs around holding the ball while in traffic in one hand like a loaf of bread, and tweaks his hammy every other week. I could go on but you get the picture. Wilford just isn't that good. He's a great guy and works really hard but he's slow, older than the others, a bigger cap hit and drops more passes than any jags WR(and that's saying something).

Yeah, that's what I can't figure out. Reggie definitely has a monster ego and talks a lot of trash for a guy who has never done anything in the league, but still...He's a very hard worker and you rarely see coaches get so down on a guy that busts his ### like Reggie does. You'd think Monken would at least appreciate Reggie's dominant blocking ability. That's the main reason Del Rio has always been in Reggie's corner.

 

[JaxBill]

It remains to be seen how much say Monken has in the final roster, but if Jack Del Rio gives Monken total control there could be some major changes. It appears that Reggie Williams' flashy attitude is clashing with Monken's no nonsense work program. Reggie works as hard as anyone, so that kinda surprised me. And Matt Jones... I just don't know what to make of him. He has all the talent in the world but drops easy passes, doesn't block, quits on plays when the QB scambles, doesn't recognize when he's the hot read, runs around holding the ball while in traffic in one hand like a loaf of bread, and tweaks his hammy every other week. I could go on but you get the picture. Wilford just isn't that good. He's a great guy and works really hard but he's slow, older than the others, a bigger cap hit and drops more passes than any jags WR(and that's saying something).

Yeah, that's what I can't figure out. Reggie definitely has a monster ego and talks a lot of trash for a guy who has never done anything in the league, but still...He's a very hard worker and you rarely see coaches get so down on a guy that busts his ### like Reggie does. You'd think Monken would at least appreciate Reggie's dominant blocking ability. That's the main reason Del Rio has always been in Reggie's corner.

When Reggie made his catch for the first down to Miami's 10, I was glad he didn't start doing one of his dances. That would have been his death knell.

 

[Todem]

I said a month ago it looked like Northcut was the only lock to make the roster. I'd update that now by saying that Walker's knee has held up pretty well and he's already shown enough as a 3rd round rookie to make the grade. But that's it. Monken is a real deal old school coach that demands a lot from his WRs. Several locals have commentted that he comes off like a young Tom Coughlin and anyone familiar with Tom understands what that means. Tom Coughlin would cut his grandson from a PeeWee League team if he didn't do things his way.

It remains to be seen how much say Monken has in the final roster, but if Jack Del Rio gives Monken total control there could be some major changes. It appears that Reggie Williams' flashy attitude is clashing with Monken's no nonsense work program. Reggie works as hard as anyone, so that kinda surprised me. And Matt Jones... I just don't know what to make of him. He has all the talent in the world but drops easy passes, doesn't block, quits on plays when the QB scambles, doesn't recognize when he's the hot read, runs around holding the ball while in traffic in one hand like a loaf of bread, and tweaks his hammy every other week. I could go on but you get the picture. Wilford just isn't that good. He's a great guy and works really hard but he's slow, older than the others, a bigger cap hit and drops more passes than any jags WR(and that's saying something).

I can't imagine all 3 getting cut but certainly 1 and possibly 2 could not make the 53 man. This is not just coach speak, there are legit reasons to consider letting each of them go.

Beyond that, Broussard is making a serious push for a roster spot and with one more game like the Miami game he'll make it almost impossible for Jacksonville to consider trying to hide him on the practice squad. Sharon looks good, but he's going to have to look better than good to make the roster. He has 3 more games to make his case.

Yet he has had the most impressive season of any WR since Jimmy Smith left (Wilford had a nice run in 2005).And he is running first team and made 2 good catches last night.

I am not saying he is all world, but Williams is a huge bust and Jones will soon have that label as well.

Wilford makes this team and starts. He works harder then those 2 and it shows on the field.

For what it's worth that's how I see it.

 

[Wadsworth]

I said a month ago it looked like Northcut was the only lock to make the roster. I'd update that now by saying that Walker's knee has held up pretty well and he's already shown enough as a 3rd round rookie to make the grade. But that's it. Monken is a real deal old school coach that demands a lot from his WRs. Several locals have commentted that he comes off like a young Tom Coughlin and anyone familiar with Tom understands what that means. Tom Coughlin would cut his grandson from a PeeWee League team if he didn't do things his way.

It remains to be seen how much say Monken has in the final roster, but if Jack Del Rio gives Monken total control there could be some major changes. It appears that Reggie Williams' flashy attitude is clashing with Monken's no nonsense work program. Reggie works as hard as anyone, so that kinda surprised me. And Matt Jones... I just don't know what to make of him. He has all the talent in the world but drops easy passes, doesn't block, quits on plays when the QB scambles, doesn't recognize when he's the hot read, runs around holding the ball while in traffic in one hand like a loaf of bread, and tweaks his hammy every other week. I could go on but you get the picture. Wilford just isn't that good. He's a great guy and works really hard but he's slow, older than the others, a bigger cap hit and drops more passes than any jags WR(and that's saying something).

I can't imagine all 3 getting cut but certainly 1 and possibly 2 could not make the 53 man. This is not just coach speak, there are legit reasons to consider letting each of them go.

Beyond that, Broussard is making a serious push for a roster spot and with one more game like the Miami game he'll make it almost impossible for Jacksonville to consider trying to hide him on the practice squad. Sharon looks good, but he's going to have to look better than good to make the roster. He has 3 more games to make his case.

Yet he has had the most impressive season of any WR since Jimmy Smith left (Wilford had a nice run in 2005).And he is running first team and made 2 good catches last night.

I am not saying he is all world, but Williams is a huge bust and Jones will soon have that label as well.

Wilford makes this team and starts. He works harder then those 2 and it shows on the field.

For what it's worth that's how I see it.

Since Reggie got to Jax basically every coach, teammate and press member has praise his work ethic and more than a few have said he works harder than anyone. As far as Matt Jones, working harder than him is no real trick. I'm not saying that Wilford doesn't work, he does but there's no reason to think he works harder than RW. As far as Wilford outperforming RW, if Wilford was a first round pick and RW a 4th I bet you'd think differently. Their production is similar, Williams is younger, has more upside, drops fewer balls, and is cheaper.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

This is all quite entertaining.Day one starters will be Williams and Jones.

Often common sense is the most likely scenario despite the din coming from early camp reports.

 

[Biabreakable]

This is all quite entertaining.Day one starters will be Williams and Jones.

Often common sense is the most likely scenario despite the din coming from early camp reports.

Agreed.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I just think the Jags are loaded at WR.

i think they've got 5-6 guys who are great atheletes but are so-so recievers. this is why northcut looks so good to them. remember this is dennis friggen journeyman norhtcut. leftwhich likes williams, this alone will keep him in the starting lineup. just my .02

this falls under the common sense argument.

 

[jeter23]

Reggie Williams has been "moping around" and appeared "disinterested" at Jaguars training camp.

Well, this certainly isn't going to help you climb a depth chart. It's looking more and more likely that Williams, who also has been slow to pick up new coordinator Dirk Koetter's offense, will get a visit from the Turk.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stor...191788230.shtml

 

[JaxBill]

Reggie Williams has been "moping around" and appeared "disinterested" at Jaguars training camp.

Well, this certainly isn't going to help you climb a depth chart. It's looking more and more likely that Williams, who also has been slow to pick up new coordinator Dirk Koetter's offense, will get a visit from the Turk.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stor...191788230.shtml

To be fair, here are the other WR reviews as well from that article:

Most Surprising Player

Charles Sharon, Wide Receiver

When news spread about Sharon challenging for one of the top receiver spots, doubters took it as an attempt to send a message to former first-round picks Reggie Williams and Matt Jones. That hasn't been the case so far. Sharon has held on to his place among the team's top receivers and lines up alongside Ernest Wilford and Dennis Northcutt with the No. 1 offense.

Flashiest Player

John Broussard, Wide Receiver

Labeled as a speed receiver, Broussard has been one of the team's most sure-handed targets throughout training camp. He caught three passes for 66 yards in his first preseason outing against Miami. He lacks size (6-1, 176 pounds), but he has made plays every day, catching virtually everything thrown his way. It would be a surprise if Broussard doesn't make the roster.

Hardest Worker

Ernest Wilford, Wide Receiver

This is nothing new. Wilford has built a reputation for his work habits throughout his career. Wilford probably isn't as gifted athletically as Williams and Jones, but he maximizes his ability by improving the technical aspects of his game. Wilford is starting to become a reliable possession receiver, but he still must improve on catching the ball.



Biggest Teaser

Matt Jones, Wide Receiver

The coaching staff at one point last season expressed displeasure with Jones' play, but he has shown slight improvement in camp. New receivers coach Todd Monken says Jones has found a niche as a No. 3 receiver who can get deep down the seams. Jones always seems to do just enough to keep the team excited. He needs to do more of it consistently.

Jones is still under the microscope, too. And I don't understand a possession needs to work on catching the ball part.

 

[TD Ryan]

didn't we go thru all this at the beginning of last year too? E Wilford was everyone's "sleeper" WR.

and Wilford, despite his great efforts, couldn't catch the ball to save his life.

R Williams emerged as the true #1 WR and finally started to live up to his draft position. M Jones continued to be a "project".

I can't imagine that anything in camp has changed this. Maybe M Jones will develop more.

But Wilford? sorry. I want to like the guy, but he can't catch well enough to even challenge R Williams.

D Northcutt? sorry. Another guy that's easy to like but he's not a #1 WR.

Really, I'm hoping everyone is buying into all this coach-speak. Reggie Williams will be a steal in the 12th round.