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Coach Jim Scwhartz made it clear Thursday that Jahvid Best (concussions) won't be gaining clearance to practice any time in the near future.

"The only thing I will say is we're measuring Jahvid in weeks, not days," explained Schwartz. "He's not day-to-day." It's become quite apparent that the Lions essentially have no clue when Best will be cleared. While it's premature to remove Best from draft boards altogether with five weeks to go before the start of the season, we're shifting our focus to Kevin Smith in the Detroit backfield.

 
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I went back and looked at last season, which you wouldn't think was all that good for RBs in Detroit since they were in the bottom 5 of rushing yards in the league.

Assuming that K Smith is the one to "take over" Best's roll....

If you take the yards and such that Best got in weeks 1-6;

add the yards and such that K Smith himself got weeks 9 and on...

Realize that with the injuries to both and 2 weeks with neither played at all, you get 750 rushing yards, 6 rushing TDs, about 50 receptions for 500 receiving yards and another 4 TDs.

Not sure about all leagues, but in mine (which awards bonuses for 100+ yard receiving/rushing, 5+ receptions, and TDs of over 20 yards) that would put K Smith somewhere between RB #8-14 from last year. Keep in mind that we're already assuming he misses 4 games due to injury since the combined stats are only for 12 games total.

How K Smith is lasting as late as he is right now is beyond me.

 
The things that concern me about Best are multiple...

#1: He has expressed no concern or worry over the fact that he has sustained multiple concussions over a series of years (in arguably a very short time frame). We've seen multiple players forced to retire after concussions in quick succession and Best seems like he'll go for broke playing wise, possibly endangering himself again on the field which makes his dynasty prospects questionable.

#2: He's suffered at least 3 concussions. Suffered 1 in 2009 and 2 last season. In addition he's battled various injuries (dislocated left elbow, turf toe) since his college playing days and there is little sign that he's proven to not be injury prone yet.

#3: He suffered the season ending concussion in Week 6 of last year (October 16th, 2011). It's been 10 months entering August since and he still hasn't been cleared by numerous medical doctors working with him? That's not a good sign at all considering other players have been cleared within days or weeks.

 
Leshoure is not only suspended for the first couple games...he is also coming off of a torn achilles. He will be no more than the plodder part of a committee that averages 3.3 ypc. Kevin Smith is the only guy to target here.

 
Detroit Lions RBs Jahvid Best (concussion) and Mikel Leshoure (hamstring), CB Chris Greenwood (abdomen) and FS Louis Delmas (knee) did not participate in practice Thursday, Aug. 2

I guess leShoure has a hammy, and isnt practicing.

 
I owned K. Smith and J. Best last year. I know it's too simplistic to say "avoid them, there's too much risk and uncertainty" but man, I do NOT want to deal with the same crap this season.

 
I have K Smith in my 10 team dynasty league (traded a 2012 3rd round rookie pick for him after he became a Lion week 10 or so). I was just offered a 2013 2nd round rookie pick (we've already had our 2012 rookie draft). I turned it down. Maybe I'm crazy, but Smith is only 25, is the only healthy RB on that team, has shown success in that system, and is playing for a possibly big payday.

 
For me, Kevin Smith is looking more and more like a guy that I need to have on my teams this year. He can be had pretty late. He's a dual threat. If Best hasnt been cleared to practice after all these months, then he may never be ready. Smith has the first two games to himself. I think after playing against STL in week 1, he grabs the reigns and never looks back. He could be something like a Forte-lite.

 
Why is everyone forgetting that Kevin Smith had injury prone troubles of his own and that is WHY they drafted Best...and then Leshoure? They really like to draft injury prone RBs...or have a really ####ty medical staff.

 
'whatadai said:
Why is everyone forgetting that Kevin Smith had injury prone troubles of his own and that is WHY they drafted Best...and then Leshoure? They really like to draft injury prone RBs...or have a really ####ty medical staff.
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Every guy that blows an ACL is "injury prone". This year will tell the tale. Don't miss the boat.
 
'whatadai said:
Why is everyone forgetting that Kevin Smith had injury prone troubles of his own and that is WHY they drafted Best...and then Leshoure? They really like to draft injury prone RBs...or have a really ####ty medical staff.
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You are absolutely correct and it seems kevin Smith gets a pass as if his past problems could not happen this year...he is very injury prone. he got a shot last year and the injuries started to creep up on him quickly. That said, even a 4 week stint as the starter in this offense could net you a top10 RB over that stretch of games. It's a late pick invested on Kevin Smith, seems to be a pretty good option late in the draft if you have no illusions that you might cut him quickly.The risk vs reward seems to heavily favor the reward.
 
'whatadai said:
Why is everyone forgetting that Kevin Smith had injury prone troubles of his own and that is WHY they drafted Best...and then Leshoure? They really like to draft injury prone RBs...or have a really ####ty medical staff.
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I dont think anybody is forgetting Smith's past injuries. I think some of us are just recongizing that almost everybody else in the Lion's backfield is currently FAR more injured than Smith is. When you throw in Leshoure's 2 game suspension, it just seems like Smith has a bonified chance to seize the job. Who knows if he can stay healthy long enough to capitalize on the opportunity, but he'll have the chance to try. He's currently going about RB 45. What is there to lose? I really cant see the downside.
 
'DawnBTVS said:
The things that concern me about Best are multiple...

#1: He has expressed no concern or worry over the fact that he has sustained multiple concussions over a series of years (in arguably a very short time frame). We've seen multiple players forced to retire after concussions in quick succession and Best seems like he'll go for broke playing wise, possibly endangering himself again on the field which makes his dynasty prospects questionable.

#2: He's suffered at least 3 concussions. Suffered 1 in 2009 and 2 last season. In addition he's battled various injuries (dislocated left elbow, turf toe) since his college playing days and there is little sign that he's proven to not be injury prone yet.

#3: He suffered the season ending concussion in Week 6 of last year (October 16th, 2011). It's been 10 months entering August since and he still hasn't been cleared by numerous medical doctors working with him? That's not a good sign at all considering other players have been cleared within days or weeks.
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That's really concerning. Its hard to imagine a situation where its been nearly a year and the "word" seems to be no more definitive today than it was on halloween.
 
'matttyl said:
I have K Smith in my 10 team dynasty league (traded a 2012 3rd round rookie pick for him after he became a Lion week 10 or so). I was just offered a 2013 2nd round rookie pick (we've already had our 2012 rookie draft). I turned it down. Maybe I'm crazy, but Smith is only 25, is the only healthy RB on that team, has shown success in that system, and is playing for a possibly big payday.
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I think, long-term, you may end up regretting that one. Debatable cause who knows what you get a year from now in the 2nd, but I dont see it panning out if you think Smith is going to be a guy that wows all year and plays for a big payday.Smith has been injured often, himself, and actually didn't hold up long last year before he hurt himself. I think the Lions are simply praying that LeShoure shows enough to be the guy. So, they won't rush him and that will be good for Smith for a while, but I just think that nothing short of a completely 100% healthy and super productive season from Smith where he just absolutely lights it up will keep the Lions from going with LeShoure once he shows he's healthy or they will simply draft another back. I really wouldn't be shocked at all if they haven't signed a FA back by mid-October. Just looks like a true plug-n-play season at RB unless somebody steps in, lights it up, and shows ZERO signs of wearing down. The Lions have just had such buzzards luck at this position lately that they gotta be thinking these days that their team is making strides and they need to find a fix.
 
'Touchdown There said:
'whatadai said:
Why is everyone forgetting that Kevin Smith had injury prone troubles of his own and that is WHY they drafted Best...and then Leshoure? They really like to draft injury prone RBs...or have a really ####ty medical staff.
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Every guy that blows an ACL is "injury prone". This year will tell the tale. Don't miss the boat.
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didnt he tweak his ankle repeatedly last season? hell, i dont even think he made it through his breakout game.
 
'matttyl said:
I have K Smith in my 10 team dynasty league (traded a 2012 3rd round rookie pick for him after he became a Lion week 10 or so). I was just offered a 2013 2nd round rookie pick (we've already had our 2012 rookie draft). I turned it down. Maybe I'm crazy, but Smith is only 25, is the only healthy RB on that team, has shown success in that system, and is playing for a possibly big payday.
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I was also offered a 2013 2nd round pick for KSmith today, except this was in a 32-team dynasty league (a league in which I also own Best). I couldn't hit reject fast enough.
 
Best is done...there is no way he gets cleared, I am surprised he has not been released yet.

The Packers had to do the same thing with Collins...there is just too much uncertainty if he decides to play.

 
I like Kevin Smith, picked him up before, and got the benefit of, his breakout last year (which says more bad about my RB situation that I had to plug and play him than about any special RB knowledge) but he is just unbarebly brittle. The Lions, long over-laden with talent if you will remember, CUT him while he was their most productive back because his inability to get/stay healthy. Last year was exactly the same. Great talent but he can't play three whole games in a row. Ever. If Leshoure, who DOESN'T have an injury history before this huge one can come back 100%, he is a fast, agile and physical talent and the future. If he can't, the future isn't yet in town (unless Joique gains 20 lbs and a top gear). I think Smith's upside, for this year, is 3 spurts of very good games spread around as many 2-4 game injury breaks. That's the ceiling, although he's a great committee or bye back when healthy.

 
'Touchdown There said:
'whatadai said:
Why is everyone forgetting that Kevin Smith had injury prone troubles of his own and that is WHY they drafted Best...and then Leshoure? They really like to draft injury prone RBs...or have a really ####ty medical staff.
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Every guy that blows an ACL is "injury prone". This year will tell the tale. Don't miss the boat.
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Not every guy that blows an ACL is injury prone. Kevin Smith is actually INJURY PRONE, the guy goes down every ####### year since his ONE good year. He misses half of every season with some big injury every ####### year.
'Ministry of Pain said:
'whatadai said:
Why is everyone forgetting that Kevin Smith had injury prone troubles of his own and that is WHY they drafted Best...and then Leshoure? They really like to draft injury prone RBs...or have a really ####ty medical staff.
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You are absolutely correct and it seems kevin Smith gets a pass as if his past problems could not happen this year...he is very injury prone. he got a shot last year and the injuries started to creep up on him quickly. That said, even a 4 week stint as the starter in this offense could net you a top10 RB over that stretch of games. It's a late pick invested on Kevin Smith, seems to be a pretty good option late in the draft if you have no illusions that you might cut him quickly.The risk vs reward seems to heavily favor the reward.
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The thing is...Jahvid Best has as much of a 4 week stint potential as Kevin Smith. Smith could easily go down like he always does and Best could come in for 2-4 games and ball and go down again. Leshoure is the best bet...his injury was an accident...ONE big injury. He's the one that's not injury prone out of the three. Well...at least not yet...Everyone is just afraid of his suspension and run ins with the law...but with Detroit's crazy off-season this year...I wouldn't be surprised if they started cracking down and he ends up getting his act together.
'Itchy Amos said:
'whatadai said:
Why is everyone forgetting that Kevin Smith had injury prone troubles of his own and that is WHY they drafted Best...and then Leshoure? They really like to draft injury prone RBs...or have a really ####ty medical staff.
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I dont think anybody is forgetting Smith's past injuries. I think some of us are just recongizing that almost everybody else in the Lion's backfield is currently FAR more injured than Smith is. When you throw in Leshoure's 2 game suspension, it just seems like Smith has a bonified chance to seize the job. Who knows if he can stay healthy long enough to capitalize on the opportunity, but he'll have the chance to try. He's currently going about RB 45. What is there to lose? I really cant see the downside.
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I'm not saying not to get him if he's at a good value. But yes, I do believe that MANY people hyping him up right now forgot about his injuries since they keep acting as if he WILL get a full workload. Detroit let him go...and he received no offers until Detroit signed him back. Everyone knows he's injury prone and so does Detroit. Even if Leshoure and Best aren't around, I just don't see Smith getting a full workload unless they want him to go down quickly. Look for Stefan Logan to get a good chunk of touches...or they might even sign a guy like Benson or Grant.
 
'Itchy Amos said:
'whatadai said:
Why is everyone forgetting that Kevin Smith had injury prone troubles of his own and that is WHY they drafted Best...and then Leshoure? They really like to draft injury prone RBs...or have a really ####ty medical staff.
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I dont think anybody is forgetting Smith's past injuries. I think some of us are just recongizing that almost everybody else in the Lion's backfield is currently FAR more injured than Smith is. When you throw in Leshoure's 2 game suspension, it just seems like Smith has a bonified chance to seize the job. Who knows if he can stay healthy long enough to capitalize on the opportunity, but he'll have the chance to try. He's currently going about RB 45. What is there to lose? I really cant see the downside.
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If he gets "bonified" I don't think he has a chance to seize much of anything. That sounds painful and very limiting, even for a bona fide star.
 
I dont think anybody is forgetting Smith's past injuries. I think some of us are just recongizing that almost everybody else in the Lion's backfield is currently FAR more injured than Smith is. When you throw in Leshoure's 2 game suspension, it just seems like Smith has a bonified chance to seize the job. Who knows if he can stay healthy long enough to capitalize on the opportunity, but he'll have the chance to try. He's currently going about RB 45. What is there to lose? I really cant see the downside.

I'm not saying not to get him if he's at a good value. But yes, I do believe that MANY people hyping him up right now forgot about his injuries since they keep acting as if he WILL get a full workload. Detroit let him go...and he received no offers until Detroit signed him back. Everyone knows he's injury prone and so does Detroit. Even if Leshoure and Best aren't around, I just don't see Smith getting a full workload unless they want him to go down quickly. Look for Stefan Logan to get a good chunk of touches...or they might even sign a guy like Benson or Grant.

Its funny that you say that, because I have read very little about Smith on these boards. Most of it is along the lines of "sure he's brittle, but he's the only healthy body that they have". You may be right about them bringing somebody else in, but the Lions know what they have. If they were really concerned, I think they would have brought somebody else in before now. But who knows, they certainly still have that option.

People are still drafting Darren McFadden in round 1. He's probably achieved the same level of "injury prone" as has Smith. People are willing to look past it because McFadden could be the top scoring RB this year -if he stays healthy. I look at Smith. While he doesnt have elite talent, he has a real opportunity. He played 8 games last year and had roughly 400 yds rushing & 200 yds receiving. He also had 7 TDs. I dont think its beyond belief that he doubles those yardage numbers and slightly improves upon his TD total. IF HE STAYS HEALTHY - you could be looking at 800/400 with 10 TDs. Those numbers would put him at a high end RB 2. Considering that he's going around RB 45, I guess I'm willing to look past his "injury prone" label and take a chance on him.

I wont be drafting until the end of August, so I'll have a chance to see if they bring somebody else in to take the load. But if I were drafting now, I'd scoop him up near the end of my draft every single time because the price is right.

 
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If and when Best does get cleared he is one hit away from retirement. What troubles me if you saw the last hit on Best that caused his latest concussion it was not a big hit at all. In fact he was tackled from behind at the ankles and it jarred his head. That is not a good sign at all.

Still think that Best has never really got over this one in college.

 
'rjv said:
'matttyl said:
How K Smith is lasting as late as he is right now is beyond me.
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Because he can't stay healthy.I'm Guessing Ryan Grant will receive a call soon.
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Neither can a lot of RBs. As we all know, EVERYTHING changes after week 1. That's when the rubber hits the road....and I'm hoping Smith comes out against at home against that soft Rams run D week 1 when he's the only legit RB they have and he lights it up. Maybe you can have the benefit of having that week count for you, then trade him off when his value is the highest to another team who's lost a RB. And your idea to help one "oft injured" RB is to sign another?
 
iirc, detroit let him go, not bc he was injury prone, but bc he was not fit and not explosive. they then signed him after a workout where the coach gushed about how well he was moving. i think the coach even said something like we didnt even plan on signing anyone but he looked so good in the workout.

 
'cvnpoka said:
iirc, detroit let him go, not bc he was injury prone, but bc he was not fit and not explosive. they then signed him after a workout where the coach gushed about how well he was moving. i think the coach even said something like we didnt even plan on signing anyone but he looked so good in the workout.
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Are you referring to Smith here? I thought they let him go back in 2010 due to his injury?
 
'apalmer said:
'Itchy Amos said:
'whatadai said:
Why is everyone forgetting that Kevin Smith had injury prone troubles of his own and that is WHY they drafted Best...and then Leshoure? They really like to draft injury prone RBs...or have a really ####ty medical staff.
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I dont think anybody is forgetting Smith's past injuries. I think some of us are just recongizing that almost everybody else in the Lion's backfield is currently FAR more injured than Smith is. When you throw in Leshoure's 2 game suspension, it just seems like Smith has a bonified chance to seize the job. Who knows if he can stay healthy long enough to capitalize on the opportunity, but he'll have the chance to try. He's currently going about RB 45. What is there to lose? I really cant see the downside.
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If he gets "bonified" I don't think he has a chance to seize much of anything. That sounds painful and very limiting, even for a bona fide star.
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:lmao: I'll admit that it didnt look right when I typed it. I've gotten too used to spell check.
 
'matttyl said:
'cvnpoka said:
iirc, detroit let him go, not bc he was injury prone, but bc he was not fit and not explosive. they then signed him after a workout where the coach gushed about how well he was moving. i think the coach even said something like we didnt even plan on signing anyone but he looked so good in the workout.
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Are you referring to Smith here? I thought they let him go back in 2010 due to his injury?
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kevin smith yes. he played in 2010 for a few games and played poorly and was cut.
 
'cvnpoka said:
'matttyl said:
'cvnpoka said:
iirc, detroit let him go, not bc he was injury prone, but bc he was not fit and not explosive. they then signed him after a workout where the coach gushed about how well he was moving. i think the coach even said something like we didnt even plan on signing anyone but he looked so good in the workout.
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Are you referring to Smith here? I thought they let him go back in 2010 due to his injury?
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kevin smith yes. he played in 2010 for a few games and played poorly and was cut.
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He played poorly because he was still recovering from a injury. When healthy he has talent and is productive.
 
'Boone22 said:
He played poorly because he was still recovering from a injury. When healthy he has talent and is productive.
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Exactly! Lets not pretend that the Lions had some amazing team back in 2008-2010, they went 0-16 in 2008 after all! The next year they "improved" to 2-14, but Smith torn his ACL near the end of that season (like Mendy did last year). He didn't come around fully that offseason, so the Lions drafted Best. Smith didn't have bad seasons in either 2008 or 2009 considering the team he was on. Then, when given another shot post ACL surgery the 2nd half of last year he again produced very well (now on a much better team). All reports out of camp is that he looks better than he has since his rookie season, where he had nearly 1,300 total yards in 12 starts on a 0-16 team. Would you rather have a guy like Smith who when healthy will give you 12+ points a week, or a guy like S Greene who will give you 6-8 points each week? I'll go with the former!
 
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