Jamaal Charles (1 Viewer)

[Bojang0301]

Ok maybe when someone else types it you will understand how smart this reads:

Charles weighs 200lbs so therefore he is brittle and will get hurt. When this occurs the shorter 175 lbs back (depending on the gravitational acceleration for the day) will come in and save the day and will be able to carry the load.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Would prefer to stay on the topic of Charles and not Harrision. I drafted him in a couple of rookie drafts in 2008 loving his speed and situation but thought he would be too small to become a back that could handle 15-20 carries a game. I see GMs willing to spend a 2nd round draft pick on him start up leagues but for whatever reason I can't deal him in established leagues. Just looking for input to why.Do most of you Charles owners feel comfortable with him as your RB1 or RB2 going into the season or are you looking to deal him while his stock is high? Curious to what players and/or draft picks Charles owners are getting in return or are most of you in hold mode?

If I had him on a dynasty team (I don't), I'd sell him high before people see how the RBBC is going to form in KC between he and Jones. IMO, he'll be at fire-sale prices in August. He's at 32 on my redraft-non PPR board and 28th in my PPR rankings. My .

sWhile I'm not as far down on Charles as Mark here, I definitely agree with the "sell high" viewpoint on Charles from a Dynasty perspective.When you look for players to sell, ask yourself the following:1. What's his upside?2. What's his downside?3. What's the likelihood that I can trade for more value in the future than if I deal him in the short term?If the downside is >> the upside and the trade market is very high for the player then I say "deal him". That's where I was with Forte last year and that's about where I am with Charles now.For 2010, I can see him with plenty of yardage but the thought of a former 1,000-yard rusher joining him to vulture carries and GL touches is a HUGE downside risk. Could Charles finish as a Top 12 RB? Certainly. Could he also wind up with 900 total yards and a few long TDs but not much else - something of a lower grade Barry Sanders.I'll have to look but I don't remember Charles being "Mr. Short Yardage" last year, so I fully expect him to be used in space / around the edges while Thomas Jones pounds the middle. Given that offensive line I don't hold out a ton of production from either, so 12-17 touches a game for Charles, including 4-5 targets seems about right. I'd much rather have him in PPR and/or big play (long TD leagues).He's reasonable as a RB2 but I wouldn't expect RB1 production.

 

[kremenull]

Ok maybe when someone else types it you will understand how smart this reads:

Charles weighs 200lbs so therefore he is brittle and will get hurt. When this occurs the shorter 175 lbs back (depending on the gravitational acceleration for the day) will come in and save the day and will be able to carry the load.

I want to start a sidebet (imaginary $$$$) that Charles will not be playing at 200 lbs this year. Let's just say that I have a pretty big hunch, and I will just about guarantee it that he will be in the range of 208-214 lbs..........much like many people failed to realize that Felix Jones was somewhere between 215-220 last year when he started his rookie year listed at roughly 203 lbs. Putting on lbs isn't all that hard for full-time athletes when you are a) no longer in school, b) have a little money in your pocket, and c) are diligent in your work habits......This is their livelihood, and there are professional experts on hand to generate fitness (strength and conditioning) programs as well as diet consultants and personal chefs for guys to maximize their abilities, which can often include weight loss/gain. Visit an NFL training camp someday and you may be amazed to see the exhorbitant amount and variety of food that these guys have available to them in the chow halls. Some guys are put on a plan to consume a certain amount of calories a day, if you will, and combining with their workout regimen that would be tailored for adding muscle mass. I always find it amusing when guys on these boards are so critical of a player's size (particularly with regards to a lack thereof, i.e., weight) upon entering the league when we are talking about guys who are mostly only 20-22 years old and who are still developing into men (physically), as if they can't add weight. It's almost a given and relatively easy to do for the diligent pro athlete. This applies to any sport. The key is to add the weight correctly and in the right areas....

 

[Glaven]

Would prefer to stay on the topic of Charles and not Harrision. I drafted him in a couple of rookie drafts in 2008 loving his speed and situation but thought he would be too small to become a back that could handle 15-20 carries a game. I see GMs willing to spend a 2nd round draft pick on him start up leagues but for whatever reason I can't deal him in established leagues. Just looking for input to why.Do most of you Charles owners feel comfortable with him as your RB1 or RB2 going into the season or are you looking to deal him while his stock is high? Curious to what players and/or draft picks Charles owners are getting in return or are most of you in hold mode?

If I had him on a dynasty team (I don't), I'd sell him high before people see how the RBBC is going to form in KC between he and Jones. IMO, he'll be at fire-sale prices in August. He's at 32 on my redraft-non PPR board and 28th in my PPR rankings. My .

sWhile I'm not as far down on Charles as Mark here, I definitely agree with the "sell high" viewpoint on Charles from a Dynasty perspective.When you look for players to sell, ask yourself the following:1. What's his upside?2. What's his downside?3. What's the likelihood that I can trade for more value in the future than if I deal him in the short term?If the downside is >> the upside and the trade market is very high for the player then I say "deal him". That's where I was with Forte last year and that's about where I am with Charles now.For 2010, I can see him with plenty of yardage but the thought of a former 1,000-yard rusher joining him to vulture carries and GL touches is a HUGE downside risk. Could Charles finish as a Top 12 RB? Certainly. Could he also wind up with 900 total yards and a few long TDs but not much else - something of a lower grade Barry Sanders.I'll have to look but I don't remember Charles being "Mr. Short Yardage" last year, so I fully expect him to be used in space / around the edges while Thomas Jones pounds the middle. Given that offensive line I don't hold out a ton of production from either, so 12-17 touches a game for Charles, including 4-5 targets seems about right. I'd much rather have him in PPR and/or big play (long TD leagues).He's reasonable as a RB2 but I wouldn't expect RB1 production.

To say Charles' downside is considerably greater than his upside is arguable at best. His upside is top 5 FF RB, and his downside is being an above average 3rd down back. I'm not too sure what you mean by "Mr. Short Yardage", but if the Chiefs did have a "Mr. Short Yardage" Charles was most certainly it. IIRC Charles did very well in those short yardage opportunities. Is there a website that shows how a player did in short yardage situations?

 

[pghrob]

Ok maybe when someone else types it you will understand how smart this reads:

Charles weighs 200lbs so therefore he is brittle and will get hurt. When this occurs the shorter 175 lbs back (depending on the gravitational acceleration for the day) will come in and save the day and will be able to carry the load.

I want to start a sidebet (imaginary $$$$) that Charles will not be playing at 200 lbs this year. Let's just say that I have a pretty big hunch, and I will just about guarantee it that he will be in the range of 208-214 lbs..........much like many people failed to realize that Felix Jones was somewhere between 215-220 last year when he started his rookie year listed at roughly 203 lbs. Putting on lbs isn't all that hard for full-time athletes when you are a) no longer in school, b) have a little money in your pocket, and c) are diligent in your work habits......This is their livelihood, and there are professional experts on hand to generate fitness (strength and conditioning) programs as well as diet consultants and personal chefs for guys to maximize their abilities, which can often include weight loss/gain. Visit an NFL training camp someday and you may be amazed to see the exhorbitant amount and variety of food that these guys have available to them in the chow halls. Some guys are put on a plan to consume a certain amount of calories a day, if you will, and combining with their workout regimen that would be tailored for adding muscle mass. I always find it amusing when guys on these boards are so critical of a player's size (particularly with regards to a lack thereof, i.e., weight) upon entering the league when we are talking about guys who are mostly only 20-22 years old and who are still developing into men (physically), as if they can't add weight. It's almost a given and relatively easy to do for the diligent pro athlete. This applies to any sport. The key is to add the weight correctly and in the right areas....

Good points on weight training. Certainly, one only look at how bulking up may have slowed an otherwise effective running back named Steve Slaton last year. After a good rookie campaign he bulked up and appeared slower. Granted, his neck injury and concomittant fumbling problem then began to impact his effectiveness too. But in looking at Slaton, the argument can be made that bulking up hurt, not helped his game. As Slaton works on his rehab, he appears to have shed his added weight.

Some players are just more effective at their "natural" weight. My guess is Charles might be better served to stay at his current weight.

 

[z14jcb]

I agree, when I hear that a shifty, extremely fast running back is now going to add more weight to gain "durability" for the upcomig season, it does not sound like a good plan to me. You would think that you need to stick with what made you so good to begin with. Slaton was a perfect example of weight gain not working out in his favor.

 

[Bojang0301]

I agree, when I hear that a shifty, extremely fast running back is now going to add more weight to gain "durability" for the upcomig season, it does not sound like a good plan to me. You would think that you need to stick with what made you so good to begin with. Slaton was a perfect example of weight gain not working out in his favor.

It worked for Clinton Portis... although I always appreciated Clinton more when he was smaller and shiftier.

 

[The Moz]

McCluster might of been drafted as a wr but he played mostly RB in college and IMO was one of if not the best RB in college call. He's just small. He adds 20lbs gets to about 185 he will be a dynamic RB not WR. This year he will be the slot guy but make no mistake McCluster has a ton more talent than Charles

 

[JDub15]

McCluster might of been drafted as a wr but he played mostly RB in college and IMO was one of if not the best RB in college call. He's just small. He adds 20lbs gets to about 185 he will be a dynamic RB not WR. This year he will be the slot guy but make no mistake McCluster has a ton more talent than Charles

He has more talent than Charles? Based on what? He is most definitely being drafted as a WR and will not make an effective RB in the NFL unless he adds significant bulk (which he might) If you're staying away from Charles because of McCluster, you are staying away for the wrong reason

 

[massraider]

Jamaal Charles--worth keeping.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Currently RB 10 or 11 in straight PPR.