Javon Walker demands trade (1 Viewer)

[Kleck.]

I'm not against Walker getting paid.  He'll I'd want more money too if I were him.  Like I said a year ago, it's just the way he is going about it that is wrong and against the ways Green Bay deals with it's players.  Had he kept it quiet and within the organization he would have received his qwan.  Example: Al Harris vs. Mike McKenzie.

I thought Mike McKenzie got his money...just not from Green Bay.

He got his trade...not so sure he got the money he wanted though...

IIRC, he did not get as much as initially thought and the Saints got a good deal. 3 year extension with about $7 mil garaunteed?

Wasn't that more than what Green Bay was offering?

Since Green Bay was not willing to extend his contract because of the way McKenzie was handling it, yes. But soon after, Al Harris signed an extension with more in guaranteed money than McKenzie's. At that time I considered McKenzie a better CB than Harris, but Harris got the better deal, kept the respect with the team, and has gone on to actually be the better of the two.

 

[Big Score]

I think what Walker is doing is disrespectful to the team and his teammates and any crying he has should be focused on his own decisions...

See that's the thing of it right there. Last year he wavered in holding out for abetter contract, incentive based or whatever and made the decision to come back & play without securing a better deal.What happened?

He blew out his knee.

You better believe he's about that decision.

Had he not held out and made it public in the first place...do you think they would not have been working to up his deal? Do you think they would have waited until he was a FA?

So your theory is, if he hadn't said he wanted a raise, he would've gotten one?Interesting, but I doubt it.

Your giving everyone a lesson in how to miss a point here, oh man.Reread the bolded part, and you have the very crux of this discussion. If he would have acted like a star, acted like Brett or Ahman, or Driver, the packers would have surely, quietly negotiated a big raise and extension for him. Regardless of him getting hurt last year.

How do some people here make it through life?

Let me see if I've got this write MrPack. You GUARANTEE that the only reason the Pack aren't re-negoitiating his contract right now, is punishment for him asking for his contract to be re-negoitiated last year.

Ummm....Yeah Right!

 

[MrPack]

I think what Walker is doing is disrespectful to the team and his teammates and any crying he has should be focused on his own decisions...

See that's the thing of it right there. Last year he wavered in holding out for abetter contract, incentive based or whatever and made the decision to come back & play without securing a better deal.What happened?

He blew out his knee.

You better believe he's about that decision.

Had he not held out and made it public in the first place...do you think they would not have been working to up his deal? Do you think they would have waited until he was a FA?

So your theory is, if he hadn't said he wanted a raise, he would've gotten one?Interesting, but I doubt it.

Your giving everyone a lesson in how to miss a point here, oh man.Reread the bolded part, and you have the very crux of this discussion. If he would have acted like a star, acted like Brett or Ahman, or Driver, the packers would have surely, quietly negotiated a big raise and extension for him. Regardless of him getting hurt last year.

How do some people here make it through life?

Let me see if I've got this write MrPack. You GUARANTEE that the only reason the Pack aren't re-negoitiating his contract right now, is punishment for him asking for his contract to be re-negoitiated last year.

Ummm....Yeah Right!

Once again, reading comprehension 101. Please point out where I said anything was GUARANTEED. oh and it's right, not WRITE.

 

[Kleck.]

I think what Walker is doing is disrespectful to the team and his teammates and any crying he has should be focused on his own decisions...

See that's the thing of it right there. Last year he wavered in holding out for abetter contract, incentive based or whatever and made the decision to come back & play without securing a better deal.What happened?

He blew out his knee.

You better believe he's about that decision.

Had he not held out and made it public in the first place...do you think they would not have been working to up his deal? Do you think they would have waited until he was a FA?

So your theory is, if he hadn't said he wanted a raise, he would've gotten one?Interesting, but I doubt it.

Your giving everyone a lesson in how to miss a point here, oh man.Reread the bolded part, and you have the very crux of this discussion. If he would have acted like a star, acted like Brett or Ahman, or Driver, the packers would have surely, quietly negotiated a big raise and extension for him. Regardless of him getting hurt last year.

How do some people here make it through life?

Let me see if I've got this write MrPack. You GUARANTEE that the only reason the Pack aren't re-negoitiating his contract right now, is punishment for him asking for his contract to be re-negoitiated last year.

Ummm....Yeah Right!

Not just asking to have it renegotiated, but making a stink about it publically in a year the Packers had NO cap room to even consider any serious negotiations. Also causing bad publicity to the team and putting the other players in awkward situtaions to pick sides.If he keeps it within the organization and keeps the respect with the team and the other players, without a doubt I believe a deal would have been done this spring/summer even with the injury.

 

[Big Score]

I think what Walker is doing is disrespectful to the team and his teammates and any crying he has should be focused on his own decisions...

See that's the thing of it right there. Last year he wavered in holding out for abetter contract, incentive based or whatever and made the decision to come back & play without securing a better deal.What happened?

He blew out his knee.

You better believe he's about that decision.

Had he not held out and made it public in the first place...do you think they would not have been working to up his deal? Do you think they would have waited until he was a FA?

So your theory is, if he hadn't said he wanted a raise, he would've gotten one?Interesting, but I doubt it.

Your giving everyone a lesson in how to miss a point here, oh man.Reread the bolded part, and you have the very crux of this discussion. If he would have acted like a star, acted like Brett or Ahman, or Driver, the packers would have surely, quietly negotiated a big raise and extension for him. Regardless of him getting hurt last year.

How do some people here make it through life?

Let me see if I've got this write MrPack. You GUARANTEE that the only reason the Pack aren't re-negoitiating his contract right now, is punishment for him asking for his contract to be re-negoitiated last year.

Ummm....Yeah Right!

Once again, reading comprehension 101. Please point out where I said anything was GUARANTEED. oh and it's right, not WRITE.

Nowhere have you said it's GUARANTEED.However, you BOLD something, tell me to read it again and then say you wonder how some people make it through life.

Then you then quote two other threads addressing the same point and your replies are &

So what exactly is your point?

 

[Big Score]

I think what Walker is doing is disrespectful to the team and his teammates and any crying he has should be focused on his own decisions...

See that's the thing of it right there. Last year he wavered in holding out for abetter contract, incentive based or whatever and made the decision to come back & play without securing a better deal.What happened?

He blew out his knee.

You better believe he's about that decision.

Had he not held out and made it public in the first place...do you think they would not have been working to up his deal? Do you think they would have waited until he was a FA?

So your theory is, if he hadn't said he wanted a raise, he would've gotten one?Interesting, but I doubt it.

Your giving everyone a lesson in how to miss a point here, oh man.Reread the bolded part, and you have the very crux of this discussion. If he would have acted like a star, acted like Brett or Ahman, or Driver, the packers would have surely, quietly negotiated a big raise and extension for him. Regardless of him getting hurt last year.

How do some people here make it through life?

Let me see if I've got this write MrPack. You GUARANTEE that the only reason the Pack aren't re-negoitiating his contract right now, is punishment for him asking for his contract to be re-negoitiated last year.

Ummm....Yeah Right!

Not just asking to have it renegotiated, but making a stink about it publically in a year the Packers had NO cap room to even consider any serious negotiations. Also causing bad publicity to the team and putting the other players in awkward situtaions to pick sides.If he keeps it within the organization and keeps the respect with the team and the other players, without a doubt I believe a deal would have been done this spring/summer even with the injury.

If that's true Kleck, then the Pack is indeed punishing him. All the more reason for Walker to take the path he is.He should definitely do everything in his power to get away from that organization, as they're obviously holding this against him and who knows how long they'll hold this grudge.

But I don't think that's the case.

I'm looking at the contacts the Pack handed out to a couple of other players coming off season ending injuries. One of those players being a multiple pro bowler. The contracts Green Bay gave Ahman Green & Davenpoop aren't very good.

I doubt that Walker would be getting his contract re-negoitiated this year, whether he kept his trap shut or not.

 

[Kleck.]

Another thing in the Al Harris negotiations was that he ended up getting more in guaranteed money than he he or his agent expected. It's not the only time players have been rewarded for going about contract extensions the way the organizations wants them to be done.

 

[Big Score]

Another thing in the Al Harris negotiations was that he ended up getting more in guaranteed money than he he or his agent expected.  It's not the only time players have been rewarded for going about contract extensions the way the organizations wants them to be done.

Of course Green & Davenpoop did NOT get rewarded with good contracts this year coming off a season ending injuries.This happened despite going about contract negoitiations the right way.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

The contracts Green Bay gave Ahman Green & Davenpoop aren't very good.

Ahman Green signed that deal as a UFA, nobody forced him to stay in Green Bay.

 

[Big Score]

The contracts Green Bay gave Ahman Green & Davenpoop aren't very good.

Ahman Green signed that deal as a UFA, nobody forced him to stay in Green Bay.

That's not the point. The point others are making, is that even though Walker is coming off a season ending injury, the Pack would have re-negoitiated his contract to make it better, if he had only kept his mouth shut.

The contracts Ahman Green & Davenppop were offered by the Pack, do not support this line of reasoning.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

The contracts Green Bay gave Ahman Green & Davenpoop aren't very good.

Ahman Green signed that deal as a UFA, nobody forced him to stay in Green Bay.

That's not the point. The point others are making, is that even though Walker is coming off a season ending injury, the Pack would have re-negoitiated his contract to make it better, if he had only kept his mouth shut.

The contracts Ahman Green & Davenppop were offered by the Pack, do not support this line of reasoning.

I don't think they would've renogtiated anything. What they probably would've done was work out some kind of extension, likely with more money up front. He would've never seen free agency.Also, I find it interesting that Mike McCarthy is doing his best to mend the situation. I wouldn't rule Walker out of Green Bay just yet.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=411220

McCarthy said it was too early for the team to give up on having Walker around. He said he spoke to the disgruntled wide receiver several weeks ago to let him know that he wanted the two sides to move forward instead of dwelling on the past.

He said he didn't think it was a hopeless situation.

"I don't have that feeling today, not at all," McCarthy said. "This is the same thing that happened last year. We'll see what happens.

"Based on our conversation it's something that happened in the past. I can't control that. I can only control what happens today and tomorrow."

 

[Big Score]

The contracts Green Bay gave Ahman Green & Davenpoop aren't very good.

Ahman Green signed that deal as a UFA, nobody forced him to stay in Green Bay.

That's not the point. The point others are making, is that even though Walker is coming off a season ending injury, the Pack would have re-negoitiated his contract to make it better, if he had only kept his mouth shut.

The contracts Ahman Green & Davenppop were offered by the Pack, do not support this line of reasoning.

I don't think they would've renogtiated anything. What they probably would've done was work out some kind of extension, likely with more money up front.

Working out an extension with more up front money is a renegoitiation of the existing contract.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

The contracts Green Bay gave Ahman Green & Davenpoop aren't very good.

Ahman Green signed that deal as a UFA, nobody forced him to stay in Green Bay.

That's not the point. The point others are making, is that even though Walker is coming off a season ending injury, the Pack would have re-negoitiated his contract to make it better, if he had only kept his mouth shut.

The contracts Ahman Green & Davenppop were offered by the Pack, do not support this line of reasoning.

I don't think they would've renogtiated anything. What they probably would've done was work out some kind of extension, likely with more money up front.

Working out an extension with more up front money is a renegoitiation of the existing contract.

Let's not play the semantics game. My guess is they would not have torn up his existing contract, merely got him a new one starting the next season with a nice signing bonus. Call it what you want.

 

[Kleck.]

If that's true Kleck, then the Pack is indeed punishing him. All the more reason for Walker to take the path he is.

He should definitely do everything in his power to get away from that organization, as they're obviously holding this against him and who knows how long they'll hold this grudge.

But I don't think that's the case.

I'm looking at the contacts the Pack handed out to a couple of other players coming off season ending injuries. One of those players being a multiple pro bowler. The contracts Green Bay gave Ahman Green & Davenpoop aren't very good.

I doubt that Walker would be getting his contract re-negoitiated this year, whether he kept his trap shut or not.

I agree with you and don't for a minute believe Thompson and the front office isn't sending some sort of message/punishment to Walker. I don't believe this will end well and Walker remains a Packer for much longer either. If he wanted to get paid by Green Bay he needed to go about this a different way. That's all I'm trying to say. With the way he has gone about it, starting last year, he should have came right out and publically stated he wants out of Green Bay, and not just wanting more money, because they seldom negotiate otherwise.I'm not certain Ahman Green could have found a whole lot more money for 2006 than what Green Bay gave him. If I were a team I would not risk given him too long of a contract. And Davenport doesn't deserve any more money as far as I'm concerned. The guys is broke more than a teenagers heart.

As for Walker getting a new deal if he kept his mouth shut, we will never know. It's just my own belief it would have been.

If Denver is serious about Walker and offer a decent deal for him, I would take it and end this thing so the Packers and Walker can move on. I'm not against Walker at all, just the way he went about things and I'd feel the same with if it was with a different team. I love his talent and what he is capable of doing on the field and he makes the game exciting to watch. I'd love to see him get paid and I will be happy for him when he does. I'd prefer it be with Green Bay, but I just can't see that happening now. I'm a fan of the game more that I am of the Packers.

 

[Jason Wood]

As long as players like TO can get some team to sign them to big guaranteed $$$ as if their past transgressions never happened, it's very difficult for an NFL team to have much leverage in negotiations unless it's willing to have the player in question sit at home and collect a paycheck.

 

[Big Score]

The contracts Green Bay gave Ahman Green & Davenpoop aren't very good.

Ahman Green signed that deal as a UFA, nobody forced him to stay in Green Bay.

That's not the point. The point others are making, is that even though Walker is coming off a season ending injury, the Pack would have re-negoitiated his contract to make it better, if he had only kept his mouth shut.

The contracts Ahman Green & Davenppop were offered by the Pack, do not support this line of reasoning.

I don't think they would've renogtiated anything. What they probably would've done was work out some kind of extension, likely with more money up front.

Working out an extension with more up front money is a renegoitiation of the existing contract.

Let's not play the semantics game. My guess is they would not have torn up his existing contract, merely got him a new one starting the next season with a nice signing bonus. Call it what you want.

OK.The point of whether or not the Pack would've re-done his contratc or not, if Walker kept his trp shut is really irrelevant. It's only speculation & conjecture on our part and we'll never really know how it would've played out. The facts of the matter are Walker did run his mouth and so far the Pack is taking the stance that they will not re-negoitiate his contract this year.

Walker wants his money now, the Pack ain't budging, hence the Mexican stand-off.

 

[packersfan]

One of the main reasons why the Packers were working to get cap space for the 2006 season was because they planned to extend Javon Walker's contract. His injury has changed all that. But that doesn't change the fact extending his contract was a top priority for the team's plans for 2006.

 

[sho nuff]

I think what Walker is doing is disrespectful to the team and his teammates and any crying he has should be focused on his own decisions...

See that's the thing of it right there. Last year he wavered in holding out for abetter contract, incentive based or whatever and made the decision to come back & play without securing a better deal.What happened?

He blew out his knee.

You better believe he's about that decision.

Had he not held out and made it public in the first place...do you think they would not have been working to up his deal? Do you think they would have waited until he was a FA?

So your theory is, if he hadn't said he wanted a raise, he would've gotten one?Interesting, but I doubt it.

Your giving everyone a lesson in how to miss a point here, oh man.Reread the bolded part, and you have the very crux of this discussion. If he would have acted like a star, acted like Brett or Ahman, or Driver, the packers would have surely, quietly negotiated a big raise and extension for him. Regardless of him getting hurt last year.

How do some people here make it through life?

Let me see if I've got this write MrPack. You GUARANTEE that the only reason the Pack aren't re-negoitiating his contract right now, is punishment for him asking for his contract to be re-negoitiated last year.

Ummm....Yeah Right!

Not just asking to have it renegotiated, but making a stink about it publically in a year the Packers had NO cap room to even consider any serious negotiations. Also causing bad publicity to the team and putting the other players in awkward situtaions to pick sides.If he keeps it within the organization and keeps the respect with the team and the other players, without a doubt I believe a deal would have been done this spring/summer even with the injury.

If that's true Kleck, then the Pack is indeed punishing him. All the more reason for Walker to take the path he is.He should definitely do everything in his power to get away from that organization, as they're obviously holding this against him and who knows how long they'll hold this grudge.

But I don't think that's the case.

I'm looking at the contacts the Pack handed out to a couple of other players coming off season ending injuries. One of those players being a multiple pro bowler. The contracts Green Bay gave Ahman Green & Davenpoop aren't very good.

I doubt that Walker would be getting his contract re-negoitiated this year, whether he kept his trap shut or not.

Green is certainly more on the downside of a career than Walker...and both he and Davenport have had multiple injury problems. Comparing their contracts to anything Walker would have got is quite foolish.You can doubt it...but the recent history with how this team has done things shows that they would in all liklihood have been willing to renegotiate this season.

 

[sho nuff]

Another thing in the Al Harris negotiations was that he ended up getting more in guaranteed money than he he or his agent expected. It's not the only time players have been rewarded for going about contract extensions the way the organizations wants them to be done.

Of course Green & Davenpoop did NOT get rewarded with good contracts this year coming off a season ending injuries.This happened despite going about contract negoitiations the right way.

Of course they are nowhere near in the same situations as Walker...so why do you insist on trying to compare them?

 

[Big Score]

One of the main reasons why the Packers were working to get cap space for the 2006 season was because they planned to extend Javon Walker's contract. His injury has changed all that. But that doesn't change the fact extending his contract was a top priority for the team's plans for 2006.

Others are saying his injury has nothing to do with the fact that the Pack is not re-negoitiating his contract.They are saying the Pack is now unwilling to re-negoitiate his contract to spite him for him going public with his desire for a new contract and holding out last year.

I find that hard to believe, but hey, that's what others here are speculating.

 

[Big Score]

Another thing in the Al Harris negotiations was that he ended up getting more in guaranteed money than he he or his agent expected.  It's not the only time players have been rewarded for going about contract extensions the way the organizations wants them to be done.

Of course Green & Davenpoop did NOT get rewarded with good contracts this year coming off a season ending injuries.This happened despite going about contract negoitiations the right way.

Of course they are nowhere near in the same situations as Walker...so why do you insist on trying to compare them?

You're right. The contract the Pack offered a multiple pro bowler, coming off a season ending injury, is not comparable to a re-negoitiated contract that you're speculating the Pack would've offered a WR with one good year, coming off a season ending injury

 

[sho nuff]

One of the main reasons why the Packers were working to get cap space for the 2006 season was because they planned to extend Javon Walker's contract. His injury has changed all that. But that doesn't change the fact extending his contract was a top priority for the team's plans for 2006.

Others are saying his injury has nothing to do with the fact that the Pack is not re-negoitiating his contract.They are saying the Pack is now unwilling to re-negoitiate his contract to spite him for him going public with his desire for a new contract and holding out last year.

I find that hard to believe, but hey, that's what others here are speculating.

Not quite how I am saying it...

 

[sho nuff]

Another thing in the Al Harris negotiations was that he ended up getting more in guaranteed money than he he or his agent expected. It's not the only time players have been rewarded for going about contract extensions the way the organizations wants them to be done.

Of course Green & Davenpoop did NOT get rewarded with good contracts this year coming off a season ending injuries.This happened despite going about contract negoitiations the right way.

Of course they are nowhere near in the same situations as Walker...so why do you insist on trying to compare them?

You're right. The contract the Pack offered a multiple pro bowler, coming off a season ending injury, is not comparable to a re-negoitiated contract that you're speculating the Pack would've offered a WR with one good year, coming off a season ending injury

Factors you are leaving out which make them different...age

mileage

occurrence of injuries throughout the careers....

 

[Kleck.]

Another thing in the Al Harris negotiations was that he ended up getting more in guaranteed money than he he or his agent expected.  It's not the only time players have been rewarded for going about contract extensions the way the organizations wants them to be done.

Of course Green & Davenpoop did NOT get rewarded with good contracts this year coming off a season ending injuries.This happened despite going about contract negoitiations the right way.

Do you honestly believe Green could have received more money in 2006 elsewhere? Or Davenport? They had the chance to test the market but came back. Davenport has had no takers two years in a row now. How much more do you think he deserve if there are no takers?They were both UFA's. Big Difference in the right way to go about a contract when you are a UFA or not a free agent at all. You should be able to see that.

 

[sho nuff]

Another thing in the Al Harris negotiations was that he ended up getting more in guaranteed money than he he or his agent expected. It's not the only time players have been rewarded for going about contract extensions the way the organizations wants them to be done.

Of course Green & Davenpoop did NOT get rewarded with good contracts this year coming off a season ending injuries.This happened despite going about contract negoitiations the right way.

Do you honestly believe Green could have received more money in 2006 elsewhere? Or Davenport? They had the chance to test the market but came back. Davenport has had no takers two years in a row now. How much more do you think he deserve if there are no takers?

Apparently to Big Score...a 29 year old RB with a history of injuries and fumbling problems coming off of a major injury...and a career backup RB who cannot stay healthy coming off of an injury are the same as a young WR on the upsdie of his career coming off of his first injury....

 

[Big Score]

Another thing in the Al Harris negotiations was that he ended up getting more in guaranteed money than he he or his agent expected.  It's not the only time players have been rewarded for going about contract extensions the way the organizations wants them to be done.

Of course Green & Davenpoop did NOT get rewarded with good contracts this year coming off a season ending injuries.This happened despite going about contract negoitiations the right way.

Of course they are nowhere near in the same situations as Walker...so why do you insist on trying to compare them?

You're right. The contract the Pack offered a multiple pro bowler, coming off a season ending injury, is not comparable to a re-negoitiated contract that you're speculating the Pack would've offered a WR with one good year, coming off a season ending injury

Factors you are leaving out which make them different...age

mileage

occurrence of injuries throughout the careers....

Factors you glossed over.Green just turned 29 (born 02/16/1977)

Walker will be 28 this year (born 10/14/1978)

Green has had only 5 seasons as the main ball carrier. 3 of those 5 seasons he saw less than 300 carries.

Walker has had only one season as a starting WR

Green has suffered only one major injury in his 8 year career playing one of the more physical postions.

Walker has also suffered only one major injury. However it was in his 4th year of a phsically less demanding position and one that he had only been a fulltime starter for a year.

So

Age:

Green is 1 yr 8 months older, so age isn't really much of a factor.

Milegae:

Definitely more mileage for Green, but not huge mileage. Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis, Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, Marshall Faulk etc...now those guys are high mileage.

Injury:

One major injury to Green after 5 years of being a starter.

~ vs ~

One major injury to Walker after one year of being a starter.

Sweat:

Green...hands down

 

[Big Score]

Another thing in the Al Harris negotiations was that he ended up getting more in guaranteed money than he he or his agent expected.  It's not the only time players have been rewarded for going about contract extensions the way the organizations wants them to be done.

Of course Green & Davenpoop did NOT get rewarded with good contracts this year coming off a season ending injuries.This happened despite going about contract negoitiations the right way.

Do you honestly believe Green could have received more money in 2006 elsewhere? Or Davenport? They had the chance to test the market but came back. Davenport has had no takers two years in a row now. How much more do you think he deserve if there are no takers?

Apparently to Big Score...a 29 year old RB with a history of injuries and fumbling problems coming off of a major injury...and a career backup RB who cannot stay healthy coming off of an injury are the same as a young WR on the upsdie of his career coming off of his first injury....

The difference is Green's nagging injuries are par for the course for RB's. Show me a RB who has not had the types of little injuries Green has had. Curtis Martin went through his ankle problems (in the middle of his contract). Edge blew out his knee (in the middle of his contract), has had problems coughing up the ball at the goal line and is only a year younger than Green. LT played with an iffy groin much of '04 (in the middle of his contract) and failed to finish many a game.

The difference I notice between Green & those mentioned above, is the timing of their injuries and the experation of their contracts.

I used Davenpoop because he is a young player that does have talent and was coming off a season ending injury. (But I agree with you, he does seem to be another Fragile Freddy)

But look, what this all comes down to, is you speculating that season ending injury or not, Walker would've gotten a new contract if he'd of kept his mouth shut.

If you, Kleck & MrPack want to believe that, that's fine. No way to say you're wrong. But you have to ackowledge the opposite possibility.

That's the stumbling block of this argument from either perspective. There is absolutely no way of knowing.

You say the Pack would've.

I say I don't think they would.

We can debate this all day and all night, but it can never be proved one way or the other.

 

[Big Score]

TUESDAY, March 28, 2006, 12:20 p.m.

By Bob McGinn

Walker 'not coming back' to Packers

Green Bay - What part of no don't the Green Bay Packers understand?

That's what Charles Goldsmith, Javon Walker's stepfather, wanted to know when he emphatically stated in a telephone interview this morning with the Journal Sentinel that the wide receiver will not ever play for the team again.

No amount of money, the passage of time or the possible retirement of quarterback Brett Favre, his adversary, will change Walker's mind, according to Goldsmith. He told general manager Ted Thompson in a 30-minute conversation Jan. 20 that his stepson was through with the Packers, but based on recent published comments from Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy, Goldsmith detected hope within the organization that the situation could be rectified.

"I wish this could have worked out better but he's not coming back," Goldsmith said. "He has so much animosity regarding Green Bay, it's ridiculous."

Goldsmith and his wife, Bernita, were in Green Bay this morning working with a real-estate agent. He said Walker's home in Green Bay, which he purchased from former Packers defensive end Jamal Reynolds about two years ago, will be on the market by Wednesday.

Walker has one year remaining on his original five-year contract with the Packers at a base salary of $1.15 million. He underwent reconstructive knee surgery Oct. 7.

According to Goldsmith, Walker has spent the off-season back and forth between Houston and Tallahassee, Fla., where he was back attending classes at Florida State. Goldsmith said his stepson is ahead of schedule in his rehabilitation.

Thompson has denied a request by Walker's agent, Kennard McGuire, seeking permission to shop his client.

Journal Sentinel

 

[ExaltedOne]

My guess is that Denver will trade a 4th and 5th or two 4ths for Walker.

 

[packersfan]

Walker is acting like more and more of a punk with each passing day.

 

[FUBAR]

TUESDAY, March 28, 2006, 12:20 p.m.

By Bob McGinn

Walker 'not coming back' to Packers

Green Bay - What part of no don't the Green Bay Packers understand?

That's what Charles Goldsmith, Javon Walker's stepfather, wanted to know when he emphatically stated in a telephone interview this morning with the Journal Sentinel that the wide receiver will not ever play for the team again.

No amount of money, the passage of time or the possible retirement of quarterback Brett Favre, his adversary, will change Walker's mind, according to Goldsmith. He told general manager Ted Thompson in a 30-minute conversation Jan. 20 that his stepson was through with the Packers, but based on recent published comments from Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy, Goldsmith detected hope within the organization that the situation could be rectified.

"I wish this could have worked out better but he's not coming back," Goldsmith said. "He has so much animosity regarding Green Bay, it's ridiculous."

Goldsmith and his wife, Bernita, were in Green Bay this morning working with a real-estate agent. He said Walker's home in Green Bay, which he purchased from former Packers defensive end Jamal Reynolds about two years ago, will be on the market by Wednesday.

Walker has one year remaining on his original five-year contract with the Packers at a base salary of $1.15 million. He underwent reconstructive knee surgery Oct. 7.

According to Goldsmith, Walker has spent the off-season back and forth between Houston and Tallahassee, Fla., where he was back attending classes at Florida State. Goldsmith said his stepson is ahead of schedule in his rehabilitation.

Thompson has denied a request by Walker's agent, Kennard McGuire, seeking permission to shop his client.

Journal Sentinel

Javon is making TO look mature.

 

[GregR_2]

Javon is making TO look mature.

Javon isn't even in the same league as TO's immaturity.

 

[packersfan]

Javon is making TO look mature.

Javon isn't even in the same league as TO's immaturity.

Agreed. Unfortunately, Walker looks like he's going to do his best to try and catch up as quickly as he can.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

The league needs to stop letting the inmates run the asylum.

As for trading Walker for a 4th round draft choice or less, forget it. The Packers can do better in court and using the league rules. In court they can recover his signing bonus and not pay his salary.

Using the league rules they can seek a salary cap adjustment if things continue to go bad, and they can get compensatory picks far exceeding some of the speculation here.

Walker, well he can get a year older. He can lose money and have attorney's fees pile up. Then, maybe he can go see what life is like when Boller, or Pennington, or Smith hang a high slow throw over the middle and he has to get tatooed by Tatupu or Roy Williams.

 

[Big Score]

I dunno.

According to Kleck, Sho Nuff & MrPack, the Pack would be re-negotiating Walkers contract right now, but because he went public with wanting a new contract last year, they've decided that now they're not going to re-negotiate, to teach him a lesson.

If that's true, both parties are acting like a couple of spoiled little kindergärtners.

 

[Big Score]

As for trading Walker for a 4th round draft choice or less, forget it.  The Packers can do better in court and using the league rules.  In court they can recover his signing bonus and not pay his salary.

The above is no longer possible.

• Teams can't get back signing-bonus money if a player voluntarily retires; that has to be negotiated into a player's contract. In the past, teams could ask a player to pay back the proration of the remaining part of his contract if he retires in the early stages or in the middle of the contract .

• Teams can't do a Ricky Williams and go back and collect signing bonuses, performance bonuses or escalators earned in past years. Williams quit the Dolphins to live a temporary life of smoking dope and healing holistically. The Dolphins gave him an $8.4 million bill because of the forfeiture language in his contract. Not anymore.

• If a player retires and skips a good portion of the season against a team's wishes, the team must take him back under his existing contract and can't force him to give back any of the signing bonus. If the team wants to fight him for portions of the signing bonus, it has to release him and give him a chance to find another team.

Full ESPN article on new Discipline rules per CBA

 

[ratpfink]

I think the Packers could have renegotiated the deal to make it no extra money in 2005, a roster bonus in 2006 if he reached the incentives, etc. But that is water under the bridge now.

Right, but to pick nits, roster bonuses are not incentive bonuses. If the incentives were "likely to be earned" for the 2005 season, the cap hit is for 2005. Roster bonuses are just for being on the roster.

 

[Bizkiteer]

NFL Network/Adam Schefter (sp?) stated that GB is fielding offers for Javon. They are not looking to deal him off, but are listening now and up until draft day. Broncos, Eagles and someone else (can't remember who) have already contacted GB.

 

[sho nuff]

I dunno.

According to Kleck, Sho Nuff & MrPack, the Pack would be re-negotiating Walkers contract right now, but because he went public with wanting a new contract last year, they've decided that now they're not going to re-negotiate, to teach him a lesson.

If that's true, both parties are acting like a couple of spoiled little kindergärtners.

Again...not exactly what I or others are saying...

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Green Bay's going to get punked because of their unwillingness to renogotiate. Walker is worth way more than a million a year. Everybody knows it and alot of teams would be willing to pay him market value.

From Walker's comments it sounds like the bridges have already been burned.

Green Bay cannot win this situation and I don't know how any of you homers think they can stick it to Walker.

Walker simply sits out 10 games and returns for the last 6 (ala Joey Galloway with the Seahawks). He then becomes an unrestricted free agent.

Green Bay franchising Walker would be like hitting the jackpot (being paid the average of the top 5 at his position). I think that would come out to over 6 Million a year.

Green Bay is now forced to trade an excellent WR for less than his value. If Walker's injury turns out to be a non-issue, then this guy is certainly worth a 1st rounder. I doubt Green Bay gets that for him.

Green Bay is way worse off because they allowed this situation to fester.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Green Bay's going to get punked because of their unwillingness to renogotiate. Walker is worth way more than a million a year. Everybody knows it and alot of teams would be willing to pay him market value.

From Walker's comments it sounds like the bridges have already been burned.

Green Bay cannot win this situation and I don't know how any of you homers think they can stick it to Walker.

Walker simply sits out 10 games and returns for the last 6 (ala Joey Galloway with the Seahawks). He then becomes an unrestricted free agent.

Green Bay franchising Walker would be like hitting the jackpot (being paid the average of the top 5 at his position). I think that would come out to over 6 Million a year.

Green Bay is now forced to trade an excellent WR for less than his value. If Walker's injury turns out to be a non-issue, then this guy is certainly worth a 1st rounder. I doubt Green Bay gets that for him.

Green Bay is way worse off because they allowed this situation to fester.

I disagree Chaz. For one, none of us knows what has gone on behind the scenes over the past 18 months between the team and Walker. Although fans who post on internet message boards often speak in terms of "sticking it" to Walker or "letting him rot", I am very confident that Ted Thompson, Bob Harlan and Andy Brandt are professionals who do not take business matters personally. I am confident they are doing what is best for the team and not acting unreasonably.I disgree that the team is being "forced to trade an excellent WR for less than his value". Walker's value will be determined by the market and they will either trade him for value, let him go in FA next year and be compensated, or bring him back. He is an injured, disgruntled receiver who has one good year on his resume. When the 49ers needed to trade their disgruntled, but healthy all-pro WR with a longer and better track record on the field in 2004, they were able to get a second round pick from the Ravens (and ended up settling for much less after the fiasco with the Eagles). Walker is not quite the lockerroom cancer that TO was, but he has clearly not been a team guy. He is on at least his third agent in three years, his step-father is now speaking for him in the local press and he can't get along with his quarterback, the unquestioned team leader. I suggested earlier that his single digit Wonderlic is manifesting itself in his behavior over the past year and I think that is true. To suggest that Walker is worth a #1 pick requires a great deal of speculation.

 

[Davej626]

Moulds wants, and is going to get, 5 mill a year.

TO just got a big payday in Dallas

David Givens signs a huge deal in Tenn.

Koren, freaking Robinson signs a big deal in Minne.

Why in the world would Walker play for 1 mill a year when these deals are out there? He's moving on and its about time the Pack does the same. Take the best deal available and go with it. Jump in the Moulds sweepstakes and get a better deal for a better, younger WR. just my .02.

 

[Big Score]

I dunno.

According to Kleck, Sho Nuff & MrPack, the Pack would be re-negotiating Walkers contract right now, but because he went public with wanting a new contract last year, they've decided that now they're not going to re-negotiate, to teach him a lesson.

If that's true, both parties are acting like a couple of spoiled little kindergärtners.

Again...not exactly what I or others are saying...

Uhhhh.....It is exactly what you & others are saying

Had he not held out and made it public in the first place...do you think they would not have been working to up his deal?

had he not made the deal public and threatened sitting out, that they would have worked with him during the season or shortly thereafter. Even with the injury they would have probably worked with him.

Had he kept it quiet and within the organization he would have received his qwan.

If he would have acted like a star, acted like Brett or Ahman, or Driver, the packers would have surely, quietly negotiated a big raise and extension for him. Regardless of him getting hurt last year.

 

[Pipes]

Another thing in the Al Harris negotiations was that he ended up getting more in guaranteed money than he he or his agent expected.  It's not the only time players have been rewarded for going about contract extensions the way the organizations wants them to be done.

Of course Green & Davenpoop did NOT get rewarded with good contracts this year coming off a season ending injuries.This happened despite going about contract negoitiations the right way.

Do you honestly believe Green could have received more money in 2006 elsewhere? Or Davenport? They had the chance to test the market but came back. Davenport has had no takers two years in a row now. How much more do you think he deserve if there are no takers?

Apparently to Big Score...a 29 year old RB with a history of injuries and fumbling problems coming off of a major injury...and a career backup RB who cannot stay healthy coming off of an injury are the same as a young WR on the upsdie of his career coming off of his first injury....

It's really simple Economics...supply and demand. I'm guessing there would be 32 teams that would love to have Walker on their team even after the injury. That's obviously not the case with Green & Davenport.

 

[Kleck.]

I dunno.

According to Kleck, Sho Nuff & MrPack, the Pack would be re-negotiating Walkers contract right now, but because he went public with wanting a new contract last year, they've decided that now they're not going to re-negotiate, to teach him a lesson.

If that's true, both parties are acting like a couple of spoiled little kindergärtners.

Why don't you think they would be in renegotiations if last years situation never takes place? There would be no hard-feelings or love lost on either side and the team would now have the money to lock him in for a few more years.It's not just last years situation causing this whole thing now. The fact that Walker started it up AGAIN makes this situation much worse and the Packers and Thompson don't want to deal like that. Why is this so hard for some to understand? There are more teams out there than Green Bay that don't like dealing with players in these types of situtaions.

 

[GregR_2]

NFL Network/Adam Schefter (sp?) stated that GB is fielding offers for Javon. They are not looking to deal him off, but are listening now and up until draft day. Broncos, Eagles and someone else (can't remember who) have already contacted GB.

I hope Houston is in the running there. I'd much rather have Walker than Moulds. Moulds would help fill a hole and we should get him if he's the best available, but Walker has long-term value and he and AJ would make a great receiving corp, especially with Bush to make teams focus on the run.

 

[MrPack]

After reading all of Big Scores posts it's quite obvious he has a serious reading comprehension problem, and reads things into statements what he wants. That or he's really on a nice fishing trip.

I'll reiterate that I really wonder how he get's through life.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Green Bay's going to get punked because of their unwillingness to renogotiate.  Walker is worth way more than a million a year.  Everybody knows it and alot of teams would be willing to pay him market value.

From Walker's comments it sounds like the bridges have already been burned.

Green Bay cannot win this situation and I don't know how any of you homers think they can stick it to Walker.

Walker simply sits out  10 games and returns for the last 6 (ala Joey Galloway with the Seahawks).  He then becomes an unrestricted free agent.

Green Bay franchising Walker would be like hitting the jackpot (being paid the average of the top 5 at his position).  I think that would come out to over 6 Million a year.

Green Bay is now forced to trade an excellent WR for less than his value.  If Walker's injury turns out to be a non-issue, then this guy is certainly worth a 1st rounder.  I doubt Green Bay gets that for him.

Green Bay is way worse off because they allowed this situation to fester.

I disagree Chaz. For one, none of us knows what has gone on behind the scenes over the past 18 months between the team and Walker. Although fans who post on internet message boards often speak in terms of "sticking it" to Walker or "letting him rot", I am very confident that Ted Thompson, Bob Harlan and Andy Brandt are professionals who do not take business matters personally. I am confident they are doing what is best for the team and not acting unreasonably.I disgree that the team is being "forced to trade an excellent WR for less than his value". Walker's value will be determined by the market and they will either trade him for value, let him go in FA next year and be compensated, or bring him back. He is an injured, disgruntled receiver who has one good year on his resume. When the 49ers needed to trade their disgruntled, but healthy all-pro WR with a longer and better track record on the field in 2004, they were able to get a second round pick from the Ravens (and ended up settling for much less after the fiasco with the Eagles). Walker is not quite the lockerroom cancer that TO was, but he has clearly not been a team guy. He is on at least his third agent in three years, his step-father is now speaking for him in the local press and he can't get along with his quarterback, the unquestioned team leader. I suggested earlier that his single digit Wonderlic is manifesting itself in his behavior over the past year and I think that is true. To suggest that Walker is worth a #1 pick requires a great deal of speculation.

I think this is an unfair comparison because SF was just trying to get anything they could for him before T.O.'s hearing on whether or not he was an UFA was going through the league office. SF was afraid that they might not end up having any legal rights to T.O. and just wanted to get anything they could for him.

 

[Big Score]

After reading all of Big Scores posts it's quite obvious he has a serious reading comprehension problem, and reads things into statements what he wants. That or he's really on a nice fishing trip.

I'll reiterate that I really wonder how he get's through life.

I've asked you nicely once already,Exactly what is your point?

Your response is the above. :X

When you're finally able to formulate an intelligent response and answer, please reply. If you're incapable of actually explaining what your point is in a cohesive and informative sentence and can only regurgitate your childish insults, don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

 

[Kleck.]

I just called all of my company's clients and complained to them how underpaid I am. I've also emailed these complaints to all the local news stations and papers. The gosip ladies that work at the grocery store are already passing the word on to all their shoppers.

This is the professional way to handle things. Any minute now the president will call me in his office, which should be my office since I'm so damn important around here, and give me the cash I deserve!