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[LHUCKS]

Just keep in mind, a fast defense doesn't mean a good one.

VY will abuse defenders who are just fast.

Strong and fast, plus technically sound?

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Oh trust me, I'm not saying the Pac10 has good defenses, but I'd rather see VY play against a defense with actual speed that can actually limit his ability to run, as opposed to just a good college defense.

 

[Bevo]

I was just pointing out that if you are going to use the strength of the conferences (and especially the defenses since these are offensive guys) that Young was playing against defenses every bit as good (if not a fair bit better) than superstars from the USC (you know, the best team in the Conference of Cheaters).

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Well, I think there's a big difference between evaluating a runningbacks future prospects vs. a QBs. RBs you can either see that they have it or don't. QBs on the other hand are much more trickier IMHO...at the very least I would have rather have seen VY play in a conference where the defensive team speed was greater than it is in the Big12. The SEC or Pac10 are decidedly faster conferences.
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B.S. Show me that stats that indicate that the PAC-10 has faster defenses across the board than the BIG-12. People that don't watch the BIG-12 fail to realize how much the speed, especially on defense, has improved in the last few years; they don't watch and make the mistake that how it was 10 years ago is how it is today.If you think those PAC-10 defenses are so fast please explain how mediocre teams like Fresno State basically chewed up that lightning quick USC defense which was the #1 defense in the PAC-10. Where was that defensive speed from the #1 defense in the PAC-10 when Vince Young was making them look like slightly mobile statues? Speed and PAC-10 defenses is an oxymoron.

But, I will agree with you about the SEC.

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This is a well know fact...Pac10 is a speed conference. Not quite sure how to prove this other than to say it is common knowledge.
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Start by explaining those beat downs of the #1 defense in the "speed" conference by a mid-level NCAA team and by a team from the slow BIG-12 conference.I do think that the PAC-10 is a speed conference on offense, just not on defense which helps to explain why their defenses routinely get torched for great gobbets of yards and points.

It's not a "fact" anymore than than the "fact" that the BIG-12 is just a bunch of slow footed teams. Things change, what perhaps was true doesn't always remain true. From top to bottom I will put the defensive speed of the BIG-12 teams up against the defensive speed of the PAC-10 teams without any hesitation. So if you want to say that the PAC-10 is a speed conference on offense I won't disagree, if you want to say it is a speed conference on defense I will disagree without without any qualms.

 

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I would be pretty surprised if he too doesn't get bigger, fatter and slower every year he's in the league.

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I would be surprised if I don't get bigger, fatter and slower every year he's in the league.

 

[trader jake]

I would be pretty surprised if he too doesn't get bigger, fatter and slower every year he's in the league.

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I would be surprised if I don't get bigger, fatter and slower every year he's in the league.
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good pointhow fast can you process information? how many reps at 225?

 

[-OZ-]

I would be pretty surprised if he too doesn't get bigger, fatter and slower every year he's in the league.

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I would be surprised if I don't get bigger, fatter and slower every year he's in the league.
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good pointhow fast can you process information? how many reps at 225?

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I scored a 45 on the wonderlic and can bench 225 17 times.Sadly, I can't play football worth a damn and my 40 barely beats most linemen. Where would I be drafted?

 

[Wildman]

There is NO WAY Vince could have gone for 3,036 yards, 26/10 TD/INT, and 65% completion rate if that were even remotely close to being true.

Well...you could score 50 ppg with a one read offense if that one guy was always open, right? Oh wait...that would be really hard...damn near...impossible.Hoge & Jaws also fail to explain how Texas ended up with 7 receivers with 14 or more catches and something like 21 people with TDs in that "one-read offense".



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You make excellent points throughout this thread about Young and going through progressions. I studied a fewof Young's games (OSU, Louisiana Lafayette, and USC) and noticed the same things as you. He also looked comfortable with dropping from center, too.

 

[Franknbeans]

[big Ben] Still a big qb, considered a running qb by most.

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he is?
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he is considered a mobile Qb who can buy himself time in or out of the pocket. Hardly the same as a running Qb.