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Jeremy Hill, RB (LVR) (1 Viewer)

Bob Magaw said:
Plenty of good seasons on that list. How many changed teams as Offensive Player of the Year?
Out of context, perhaps yes. But it's ironic you mention Offensive Player of the Year, because within context, many of the "good" seasons you mention didn't measure up to expectations. Of the 29 entries, only 9 surpasses 1300 yards and only 13 even got 1200. But these weren't JAG's putting up solid seasons. These were epic, HOF players failing to meet expectations. Emmitt, Eric Dickerson, Earl Campbell. "Good" season don't cut it for those guys, and "good" won't cut it for where Murray's ADP is likely to be in redrafts. And that's only 1/3 of the entries. 2/3 weren't "good", failing to reach 1200 yards and 14/29 failing to get even 1000 yards. Not exactly a lesser roster either in the lower tier - Eddie George, Curtis Martin, Shaun Alexander, Bettis, Edgerrin James - guys that were top 5 fantasy picks on a yearly basis. If you're bound and determined to see what you want to then sure, go with that, but for the rest of us that read what's written, this is significant.
:goodposting: Perhaps Murray can be one of the outliers, but the pattern is as clear as day.
The pattern is simply that people that carry the ball a lot have more opportunity to get injured.
Not worth trying to change your mind, but it's not just injuries we're talking about- Eddie George played every game the season after his 450+ touch year, but his production dropped like a stone. The same thing happened to almost all of the RBs who didn't get hurt the following year.
I'd like to hear you or anyone else explain the mechanism by which these RBs are unaffected by having only 6 days rest in between 25-30 carry weeks in season 1, but for some reason, the 6 month recovery between years isn't quite enough and has a detrimental affect on year 2. In other words, if 6 days is enough recovery time throughout season 1, and they week after week produce at a high level, why does a 6 month recoveryperiod somehow plunge them into mediocrity?

The number of carries doesn't cause the issue. Other than just being available for more injuries, there is correlation, but no causation.

 
Not sure this is a good analogy, but I could see a "mechanism" by which a latent cumulative toll becomes more manifest in year N + 1, than year N.

Think of a toilet. It get punished 16 straight times. Not clogged, but a cumulative toll is at work. It is building up, and getting closer and closer to a clog. Maybe nobody used it for a year (once a year mountain cabin?), but nobody roto-rooters, it either. It might not be use #17, or use #18, or even use #19. But if this mechanism is at work, than at some point, there could be an increased chance of a clog, from the cumulative toll, that was not apparent from the previous year, when it always seemed to flush consistently and reliably.

 
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I was mostly joking.

But it could have something to do with the fact that there are different types of injuries.

If you have a torn ACL, you are done for the year. There may be other injuries where you can get beat on, and beat on and beat on and still remain functional, as long as you are within a certain threshold (kind of like the Terminator).

Hypothetically, you may not cross that threshold in year N, but the cumulative toll may have brought you close to it. Even with an offseason of rest, the cumulative toll administered by a "370 beating" may leave a RB, while still functional, in some intermediate state (i.e. - more fresh than the end of year N, but not as fresh as the beginning of year N). If so, they would be closer to crossing past the red line and the minimum needed to remain within the functional level threshold in season N + 1 than they were in season N. Might not happen week 1, 2, 3, etc. But at some point, 370 beating N + 1 RB could be more vulnerable to hitting a tipping point.

This outlook presupposes that some injuries may not be as simplistic in an inferential or detectable sense, in that they must have some strictly linear relationship between injury and performance (10 or 20% severe ankle sprain, whatever that means to quantify it, would necessarily lead to an exact 10-20% reduction in stats on a precise, one-to-one correspondence, lock step manner).

Not to mention, some players get shots to make it through the season. It is pretty easy to see how you could get through the season on powerful pain meds and adrenaline, but in a way that leaves you in a reduced state in year N + 1, relative to year N (it would be kind of surprising and counterintuitive if that WEREN'T the case, from that perspective).

Supposedly a true story. A drummer of a nameless band that was going to provide stadium entertainment (half time, before, after?) could barely walk, and was in excruciating, agonizing pain, possibly from a herniated disc in his back? A team doctor or player may have hooked him up (why a rock drummer would need to be hooked up with pain meds is a good question, so maybe this is an apocraphyl story, but I could absolutely see it taking place, for me, the details, not all of which I remember, at the time carried an air of genuineness, authenticity, verisimilitude) and he was jumping around, doing cartwheels and backflips, saying, this stuff is GREAT! Of course, the next day, he was far more hurting than he was in the first place. Pain is nature and our bodies way of telling us to take it easy so as to not damage the bio-organism any further, and give it a chance to rest and recuperate, allowing natural healing mechanisms to do their work. Overriding our natural, internal warning systems to shut it down, with pain pills can allow one to muddle through some games in a current season, but by masking symptoms of potentially serious damage, could be courting disaster and have severe reprecussions down the road, like as soon as the following season?

 
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Bob Magaw said:
Plenty of good seasons on that list. How many changed teams as Offensive Player of the Year?
Out of context, perhaps yes. But it's ironic you mention Offensive Player of the Year, because within context, many of the "good" seasons you mention didn't measure up to expectations. Of the 29 entries, only 9 surpasses 1300 yards and only 13 even got 1200. But these weren't JAG's putting up solid seasons. These were epic, HOF players failing to meet expectations. Emmitt, Eric Dickerson, Earl Campbell. "Good" season don't cut it for those guys, and "good" won't cut it for where Murray's ADP is likely to be in redrafts. And that's only 1/3 of the entries. 2/3 weren't "good", failing to reach 1200 yards and 14/29 failing to get even 1000 yards. Not exactly a lesser roster either in the lower tier - Eddie George, Curtis Martin, Shaun Alexander, Bettis, Edgerrin James - guys that were top 5 fantasy picks on a yearly basis. If you're bound and determined to see what you want to then sure, go with that, but for the rest of us that read what's written, this is significant.
:goodposting: Perhaps Murray can be one of the outliers, but the pattern is as clear as day.
The pattern is simply that people that carry the ball a lot have more opportunity to get injured.
Not worth trying to change your mind, but it's not just injuries we're talking about- Eddie George played every game the season after his 450+ touch year, but his production dropped like a stone. The same thing happened to almost all of the RBs who didn't get hurt the following year.
I'd like to hear you or anyone else explain the mechanism by which these RBs are unaffected by having only 6 days rest in between 25-30 carry weeks in season 1, but for some reason, the 6 month recovery between years isn't quite enough and has a detrimental affect on year 2. In other words, if 6 days is enough recovery time throughout season 1, and they week after week produce at a high level, why does a 6 month recoveryperiod somehow plunge them into mediocrity?The number of carries doesn't cause the issue. Other than just being available for more injuries, there is correlation, but no causation.
I disagree with your premise- RBs with huge workloads often wear down as the season goes on, Murray certainly did last year.

Again, not going to try to change your mind though. IMO, the evidence is pretty overwhelming.

 
I was mostly joking.

But it could have something to do with the fact that there are different types of injuries.

If you have a torn ACL, you are done for the year. There may be other injuries where you can get beat on, and beat on and beat on and still remain functional, as long as you are within a certain threshold (kind of like the Terminator).

Hypothetically, you may not cross that threshold in year N, but the cumulative toll may have brought you close to it. Even with an offseason of rest, the cumulative toll administered by a "370 beating" may leave a RB, while still functional, in some intermediate state (i.e. - more fresh than the end of year N, but not as fresh as the beginning of year N). If so, they would be closer to crossing past the red line and the minimum needed to remain within the functional level threshold in season N + 1 than they were in season N. Might not happen week 1, 2, 3, etc. But at some point, 370 beating N + 1 RB could be more vulnerable to hitting a tipping point.

This outlook presupposes that some injuries may not be as simplistic in an inferential or detectable sense, in that they must have some strictly linear relationship between injury and performance (10 or 20% severe ankle sprain, whatever that means to quantify it, would necessarily lead to an exact 10-20% reduction in stats on a precise, one-to-one correspondence, lock step manner).

Not to mention, some players get shots to make it through the season. It is pretty easy to see how you could get through the season on powerful pain meds and adrenaline, but in a way that leaves you in a reduced state in year N + 1, relative to year N (it would be kind of surprising and counterintuitive if that WEREN'T the case, from that perspective).

Supposedly a true story. A drummer of a nameless band that was going to provide stadium entertainment (half time, before, after?) could barely walk, and was in excruciating, agonizing pain, possibly from a herniated disc in his back? A team doctor or player may have hooked him up (why a rock drummer would need to be hooked up with pain meds is a good question, so maybe this is an apocraphyl story, but I could absolutely see it taking place, for me, the details, not all of which I remember, at the time carried an air of genuineness, authenticity, verisimilitude) and he was jumping around, doing cartwheels and backflips, saying, this stuff is GREAT! Of course, the next day, he was far more hurting than he was in the first place. Pain is nature and our bodies way of telling us to take it easy so as to not damage the bio-organism any further, and give it a chance to rest and recuperate, allowing natural healing mechanisms to do their work. Overriding our natural, internal warning systems to shut it down, with pain pills can allow one to muddle through some games in a current season, but by masking symptoms of potentially serious damage, could be courting disaster and have severe reprecussions down the road, like as soon as the following season?
Think of him as a bowl of feces. Ok now.. :lmao:

 
Reminder that Hill led the NFL in both rushing yards and Y/C average in the second half of the season.
That would make him pretty good, I imagine.
Still only half a season though.
Saber, when Hill picks up right where he left off will you be ready to change your tune? In my opinion, if he is averaging 4.0 ypc I am going to be very happy with his production. Anything above and beyond that will be gravy. Especially since teams will already have a year's worth of tape on him. Why don't fantasy owners take this same perspective with OBJ? He is already being considered the top overall selection. What's the difference? He is a receiver?

 
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Change my tune to what? I mean you aren't exactly setting the bar high at 4.0 YPC. I agree he should be able to do that. I just don't see him making a big jump from last year. He had a nice stretch of games, no doubt. But he's going to have his ups and downs this year too.

I don't see him approaching the usage of Lynch, Peterson, or McCoy.

 
Change my tune to what? I mean you aren't exactly setting the bar high at 4.0 YPC. I agree he should be able to do that. I just don't see him making a big jump from last year. He had a nice stretch of games, no doubt. But he's going to have his ups and downs this year too.

I don't see him approaching the usage of Lynch, Peterson, or McCoy.
Only 3 running backs will likely reach the usage of Lynch, Peterson, or McCoy. They are: Lynch, Peterson, and McCoy. Considering 85% of the league gets used like Jeremy Hill and Eddie Lacy, that still means Hill holds tons of value.

 
Reminder that Hill led the NFL in both rushing yards and Y/C average in the second half of the season.
That would make him pretty good, I imagine.
Still only half a season though.
The half season he started. If he starts half seasons for his entire career, that would complicate his projection.

 
Change my tune to what? I mean you aren't exactly setting the bar high at 4.0 YPC. I agree he should be able to do that. I just don't see him making a big jump from last year. He had a nice stretch of games, no doubt. But he's going to have his ups and downs this year too.

I don't see him approaching the usage of Lynch, Peterson, or McCoy.
Only 3 running backs will likely reach the usage of Lynch, Peterson, or McCoy. They are: Lynch, Peterson, and McCoy. Considering 85% of the league gets used like Jeremy Hill and Eddie Lacy, that still means Hill holds tons of value.
Are you saying he'll get as many or more touches than Lacy, Forte, Charles, Gurley, Miller, or Anderson (off the top of my head)? Because I don't think he will.

 
You are expecting Lamar Miller to carry the ball more than Hill? I will take that bet! He will have more carries than Gurley (injury and I think they ease him in year 1), Charles (who has Davis eating at his heels), and Anderson. Lacy is not a consistent 20+ carry back in Greenbay. I know, I own him and his use is frustrating. Anderson may have Ball to deal with and Forte is nearly 40 years old. Come on man. At worst, Hill's use in this RUN HEAVY offense will be on par with these guys. Outside of Lacy and Gurley I wouldnt move Hill for any of the names you mentioned.

 
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Figured I'd pull some of his quotes to the thread, especially since it was written by Chris Wesseling (former FBG poster, Fear & Loathing). He doesn't do fantasy football stuff anymore, but some of this stuff reads like it might as well be:

With his patience and decisive one-cut slashing style, he's reminiscent of Arian Foster in the heavy-traffic areas near the line of scrimmage.

Once he gets to the second level, Hill channels former Packers star Ahman Green. He has enough speed to break off multiple runs over 60 yards, the power to shed arm tackles and a knack for using interference to play keep-away from defenders in the open field.

How many running backs boast a three-down skill set, the ability to move the chains between the tackles, short-yardage prowess, the quickness to beat linebackers to the edge, screen-game capability, homerun distance and the ability to play in the two-minute passing drill as well as the four-minute clock-killing offense?

It's rare for a back of Hill's 6-foot-1, 235-pound frame to beat multiple defenders to the corner like he did versus the Steelers in this clip to the right. You won't see many more impressive runs for no gain.

As a well-rounded power back, Hill is in an exclusive club with the likes of Foster, Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Le'Veon Bell, Jamaal Charles and DeMarco Murray.
 
Figured I'd pull some of his quotes to the thread, especially since it was written by Chris Wesseling (former FBG poster, Fear & Loathing). He doesn't do fantasy football stuff anymore, but some of this stuff reads like it might as well be:

With his patience and decisive one-cut slashing style, he's reminiscent of Arian Foster in the heavy-traffic areas near the line of scrimmage.

Once he gets to the second level, Hill channels former Packers star Ahman Green. He has enough speed to break off multiple runs over 60 yards, the power to shed arm tackles and a knack for using interference to play keep-away from defenders in the open field.

How many running backs boast a three-down skill set, the ability to move the chains between the tackles, short-yardage prowess, the quickness to beat linebackers to the edge, screen-game capability, homerun distance and the ability to play in the two-minute passing drill as well as the four-minute clock-killing offense?

It's rare for a back of Hill's 6-foot-1, 235-pound frame to beat multiple defenders to the corner like he did versus the Steelers in this clip to the right. You won't see many more impressive runs for no gain.

As a well-rounded power back, Hill is in an exclusive club with the likes of Foster, Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Le'Veon Bell, Jamaal Charles and DeMarco Murray.
I almost quoted the exact same thing for the exact same reason (because it came from the artist formerly known as F & L).

I respect his takes, don't always agree, but I find him a pretty good litmus test and barometer (sort of like the late Ebert was for movies, as far as general sensibility and taste). I also have found him to be pretty level headed and not prone to hysterics or bandwagon-ism, and this is about as complimentary as you can get. I also agree with it.

When I saw his body of work at LSU, I thought he was special, and NOTHING that happened last season changed that intitial impression. If anything, it only served to further strengthen it. Bernard is a very good back, and he improbably but decisively beat him out. AS. A. ROOKIE.

 
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Anyone concerned that his second half was against a soft schedule. He ran it up against the Jags, Saints, Browns, Broncos and steelers. Not exactly a murderers row outside on Denver.

 
Anyone concerned that his second half was against a soft schedule. He ran it up against the Jags, Saints, Browns, Broncos and steelers. Not exactly a murderers row outside on Denver.
Saber, for God's sake man, how many "concerns" are you going to pull out of your hat? You are not impressed with Hill. That's cool. No one is concerned with who he faced. What is he supposed to do? Sit out the easy games and only play the tough ones? I would be concerned if he DIDN'T perform against those "weak" defenses. I get the feeling you are just reaching now man. You can't be serious with this! Lol. There is a reason he is ranked highly across the fantasy landscape. People believe in him. And I do too.

 
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Brought up elsewhere, but no RB plays against a murderers row of 16 great run defenses, this could be said about every RB (and player) to an extent.

He had good games against stronger teams, too, and did better than some other acknowledged great backs if you look at comparable opponents. But sure, if you are looking for reasons to not like him, there are probably a thousand things that could potentially be thought up.

 
It just seems like some in here are full throttle on him without looking at all the angles. They dismiss the fact that Gio is fully healthy and very talented. They dismiss the schedule, they dismiss that his character issues.

By all means you need to put your chip on a player but I just have my doubts on Hill usage. His upside is capped to some extent by Gio.

 
Cincinnati does have one of the toughest rushing schedules this year though facing the NFC West.
SF has lost a few players on defense, as well as their DC. You may have heard? ARI was middle of the pack in rush defense. They also lost DC Bowles (now HC with the Jets). Next objection? Resistance to Hill is futile. :)

Seriously, inter-conference schedule could be a consideration in redraft, but obviously completely meaningless in dynasty.

 
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Cincinnati does have one of the toughest rushing schedules this year though facing the NFC West.
SF has lost a few players on defense, as well as their DC. You may have heard? ARI was middle of the pack in rush defense. They also lost DC Bowles (now HC with the Jets). Next objection? Resistance to Hill is futile. :) Seriously, inter-conference schedule could be a consideratipn in redraft, but obviously completely meaningless in dynasty.
I'm the one that first started throwing around the schedule issue for Hill. Upon further review, they still have a tough schedule but I agree with you that it may not be as tough as the #2 ranking they currently have with the changes in SF and AZ's elite run defense dropping off a bit. Although, isn't AZ getting a couple players back on D? Either way, I think he gets a small bump because the schedule doesn't seem as ominous as I first thought. Although, I still think the presence of gio will keep him out of the top 5.

 
It just seems like some in here are full throttle on him without looking at all the angles. They dismiss the fact that Gio is fully healthy and very talented. They dismiss the schedule, they dismiss that his character issues.

By all means you need to put your chip on a player but I just have my doubts on Hill usage. His upside is capped to some extent by Gio.
Pointing out that no RB plays a murderers row comprised entirely of awesome run defenses isn't going full throttle without investigating the angles, just pointing out inconsistencies in full throttle objections that overlook the fact that you could pretty much say the same thing about everybody. Gio was fully healthy and very talented after he returned last year, too, was decisively outplayed by Hill, who replaced him as the starter and dominated carries in the second half of the season. His upside was capped last year, too. Without Bernard, maybe there could have been even more separation in his #1 rushing yards total and league high Y/C average in the second half of the season? It is unclear how Bernard's presence or lack thereof would impact on that latter stat? And Bernard's somewhat pedestrian Y/C average was approx. the same in 2014 as his rookie season in 2013. When he was healthy. A yard less than Hill. Maybe he just isn't as good a between the tackles runner? Maybe Hill is one of the most talented young RBs in the league? Maybe OC Hue Jackson comes to the same inexorable conclusion, and decides to continue feeding the more talented pure rusher Hill, and get Bernard increased touches in the passing game, where he is at HIS best?
 
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Cincinnati does have one of the toughest rushing schedules this year though facing the NFC West.
SF has lost a few players on defense, as well as their DC. You may have heard? ARI was middle of the pack in rush defense. They also lost DC Bowles (now HC with the Jets). Next objection? Resistance to Hill is futile. :) Seriously, inter-conference schedule could be a consideratipn in redraft, but obviously completely meaningless in dynasty.
I'm the one that first started throwing around the schedule issue for Hill. Upon further review, they still have a tough schedule but I agree with you that it may not be as tough as the #2 ranking they currently have with the changes in SF and AZ's elite run defense dropping off a bit. Although, isn't AZ getting a couple players back on D? Either way, I think he gets a small bump because the schedule doesn't seem as ominous as I first thought. Although, I still think the presence of gio will keep him out of the top 5.
I think ARI had Dansby in 2013 (now in CLE), and Washington for most of the season (currently suspended, if reinstated, a domestic violence incident will almost certainly lead to some other form of suspension). That was one of the best ILB tandems in the NFL, after Willis and Bowman. They also had DE/DT Dockett, now in SF, but a few years older at 34, and NT Dan Williams, now in OAK.

Hill is a consensus top 5 DYNASTY RB because he is like 23. In redraft, maybe more like top 10ish, so he doesn't have to finish top 5 to have upside, or be prohibitively expensive for projected ROI. Though I think he could do better, which would be gravy if he can be redrafted outside the top 10.

 
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Worry about schedules this time of year is a futile endeavor. Teams you think will be good may not be good. Teams you think will be bad may turn out good. The only thing that really matters is that Hill has shown he outperforms the norm vs nearly all teams he faces, as Bob pointed out already.

Gio is a talented player, but his level of talent has been overstated for 2 years now. Hill is just better.

 
So you appear all in on him Magaw. What is your projection? Mine is pretty much what he did last season.
In line with the FBG consensus (maybe a tad higher), Sabertooth. That is what they call a teaser in the industry parlance. :)

BTW, I'd never endorse ignoring character issues, and have addressed in the thread multiple times they exist (he had a serious incident in high school, not aware of much since). Though, Lynch has a checkered past, for instance, but I don't see him getting dinged too much because he could hit and run somebody over again, or get arrested on another weapon charge?

 
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So RB12? Well, yeah that's pretty much what I think too. :hifive:

Pretty much what he did last year, no? Maybe we are just splitting hairs.

 
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So RB12? Well, yeah that's pretty much what I think too. :hifive:

Pretty much what he did last year, no? Maybe we are just splitting hairs.
I think so. We all seem to be arguing the same points ...

1. Hill is better than Gio

2. Hill is top 5 DYNO

3 Hill is top 10-15 REDRAFT

4. Gio is currently keeping him from reaching his ceiling

5. When Gio is gone or gets injured, Hill gets a bump

I am really only debating with the people saying he is going to be top 5 THIS season. I just don't see it.

 
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Guess I'm a little higher on him than average. In redraft I'd take him before Murray or CJ Anderson, so he's right around RB9 for me. Each of those three guys is in a potential time share, but I think this will be Hill's year to shine. Just going with a gut feeling here.

 
Cincinnati does have one of the toughest rushing schedules this year though facing the NFC West.
The NFC West may not be as brutal this season as in the past. SF has lost a few key defenders, Arizona lost DC Bowles and SEA hasn't been a shut down run defense (but are good) - the Rams, it remains to be seen.

 
As far as pure rushing talent I would argue that Hill is one of the top 5 rb's in the league even now as a young player. However, Hill is not yet as proven as an all around rb as the guys in front of him. This is not a knock on Hill as he may well develop into one of the top all around rb's in the game but for right now that won't happen.

Part of the problem is Gio is much more talented as a receiving rb and 3rd down rb. This will stunt Hill's growth in that area. The value of Hill in dynasty is arguably top 5 for if/when Gio moves on. For the short term it appears he is going to be over drafted as I don't think his ceiling is as high with Gio around.

Hill in dynasty top 5 to 7.

Hill in redraft 12-17.

 
So RB12? Well, yeah that's pretty much what I think too. :hifive:

Pretty much what he did last year, no? Maybe we are just splitting hairs.
The consensus redraft rankings have Hill at 11. The four PROJECTIONS I looked at have him at 9, 10 (2 X) and 11. And I have him a bit higher than that, so higher then RB12, and I think he will put up better stats than last year (not Y/C average, I think that goes down to 4.7-4.8 or so, but more carries, yards and TDs).

Depending on your perspective, that could be pretty close, and maybe we are splitting hairs. But sometimes, small differences, and leveraging a series of incremental advantages can effectively be the difference between winning and losing from week to week, and overall.

:hifive:

 
Got offered Hill straight up for Ameer Abdullah. I guess the guy is not a believer in Hill. I was not a Hill fan coming out of LSU, so it was pretty easy for me to turn it down.
Big mistake.
No kidding. No way should you have turned that offer down. Turning down a offer than would have given you a guy who led the NFL in rushing over the last 9 games of the 2014 season? Unreal.

 
Got offered Hill straight up for Ameer Abdullah. I guess the guy is not a believer in Hill. I was not a Hill fan coming out of LSU, so it was pretty easy for me to turn it down.
Big mistake.
No kidding. No way should you have turned that offer down. Turning down a offer than would have given you a guy who led the NFL in rushing over the last 9 games of the 2014 season? Unreal.
Rookie fever in full effect. Cant wait to revisit that rejection in a year.
 
Got offered Hill straight up for Ameer Abdullah. I guess the guy is not a believer in Hill. I was not a Hill fan coming out of LSU, so it was pretty easy for me to turn it down.
Big mistake.
No kidding. No way should you have turned that offer down. Turning down a offer than would have given you a guy who led the NFL in rushing over the last 9 games of the 2014 season? Unreal.
Rookie fever in full effect. Cant wait to revisit that rejection in a year.
Jesus that is painful to read. Horrible move.

 
As far as pure rushing talent I would argue that Hill is one of the top 5 rb's in the league even now as a young player. However, Hill is not yet as proven as an all around rb as the guys in front of him. This is not a knock on Hill as he may well develop into one of the top all around rb's in the game but for right now that won't happen.

Part of the problem is Gio is much more talented as a receiving rb and 3rd down rb. This will stunt Hill's growth in that area. The value of Hill in dynasty is arguably top 5 for if/when Gio moves on. For the short term it appears he is going to be over drafted as I don't think his ceiling is as high with Gio around.

Hill in dynasty top 5 to 7.

Hill in redraft 12-17.
Who are the 11-16 guys you'd take ahead of him?

 
Got offered Hill straight up for Ameer Abdullah. I guess the guy is not a believer in Hill. I was not a Hill fan coming out of LSU, so it was pretty easy for me to turn it down.
Big mistake.
No kidding. No way should you have turned that offer down. Turning down a offer than would have given you a guy who led the NFL in rushing over the last 9 games of the 2014 season? Unreal.
Rookie fever in full effect. Cant wait to revisit that rejection in a year.
I'll be waiting too.
 
Got offered Hill straight up for Ameer Abdullah. I guess the guy is not a believer in Hill. I was not a Hill fan coming out of LSU, so it was pretty easy for me to turn it down.
Big mistake.
No kidding. No way should you have turned that offer down. Turning down a offer than would have given you a guy who led the NFL in rushing over the last 9 games of the 2014 season? Unreal.
Rookie fever in full effect. Cant wait to revisit that rejection in a year.
I'll be waiting too.
I'm an Abdullah owner. I really like him. I can't think of any reason to prefer him straight up to Hill, who has already proven what he can do at only 22 years old, and has a more well-rounded skill-set. You were offered free money and you spit at it. Huge lost opportunity because you're blinded by "your guy" and being right about him rather than playing the percentages and taking the easy profit. I see it all the time in my leagues, it rarely works out.

On one hand, I respect the balls. On the other, you make the hero call and turn down free value often enough and you'll be leaking value left and right with a roster full of "your guys" you were so sure of, many of which didn't pan out.

 
Got offered Hill straight up for Ameer Abdullah. I guess the guy is not a believer in Hill. I was not a Hill fan coming out of LSU, so it was pretty easy for me to turn it down.
Big mistake.
No kidding. No way should you have turned that offer down. Turning down a offer than would have given you a guy who led the NFL in rushing over the last 9 games of the 2014 season? Unreal.
Rookie fever in full effect. Cant wait to revisit that rejection in a year.
I'll be waiting too.
I'm an Abdullah owner. I really like him. I can't think of any reason to prefer him straight up to Hill, who has already proven what he can do at only 22 years old, and has a more well-rounded skill-set. You were offered free money and you spit at it. Huge lost opportunity because you're blinded by "your guy" and being right about him rather than playing the percentages and taking the easy profit. I see it all the time in my leagues, it rarely works out. On one hand, I respect the balls. On the other, you make the hero call and turn down free value often enough and you'll be leaking value left and right with a roster full of "your guys" you were so sure of, many of which didn't pan out.
I always take "my guys." Especially at RB. I can live with the results, no matter how it turns out. I think Abdullah will be better than Hill. It makes absolutely no sense to take what I perceive as a downgrade and then try and trade what I value less, when I already had what I wanted.
 
Got offered Hill straight up for Ameer Abdullah. I guess the guy is not a believer in Hill. I was not a Hill fan coming out of LSU, so it was pretty easy for me to turn it down.
Big mistake.
No kidding. No way should you have turned that offer down. Turning down a offer than would have given you a guy who led the NFL in rushing over the last 9 games of the 2014 season? Unreal.
Rookie fever in full effect. Cant wait to revisit that rejection in a year.
I'll be waiting too.
I'm an Abdullah owner. I really like him. I can't think of any reason to prefer him straight up to Hill, who has already proven what he can do at only 22 years old, and has a more well-rounded skill-set. You were offered free money and you spit at it. Huge lost opportunity because you're blinded by "your guy" and being right about him rather than playing the percentages and taking the easy profit. I see it all the time in my leagues, it rarely works out.On one hand, I respect the balls. On the other, you make the hero call and turn down free value often enough and you'll be leaking value left and right with a roster full of "your guys" you were so sure of, many of which didn't pan out.
I always take "my guys." Especially at RB. I can live with the results, no matter how it turns out. I think Abdullah will be better than Hill. It makes absolutely no sense to take what I perceive as a downgrade and then try and trade what I value less, when I already had what I wanted.
I can respect that. It is your team so you are free to do as you please. But you have to understand, from the outside looking in, it is like rejecting OBJ because you believe in Devin Funchess.

 

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