Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (4 Viewers)

[Billy Bats]

Did JoePa do anything wrong? This sux

Yes. He had information that a child may have been being abused and he failed to make sure that the police were notified. "I told my boss" is not enough.

I'm not defending him, or absolving him of anything. But put yourself in his position. You're a mid-level manager and one of your assistants, and probably a very close friend, you were just told was seen molesting someone. All you have is a person telling a story. You probably don't want to believe it, but you do the right thing and tell upper management of the problem and let them deal with it. Are YOU going to call the cops on your close friend and colleague or let the people in charge decide that? It's a tough situation to be put into, and Paterno probably did what he thought was the best thing he could do. Again, not absolving any blame, just trying to understand the tough situation he may have been in.

Back the truck up. JoPa is nothing more than a mid-level manager? Sorry, but he's the face of the University.

JoPa has a boss, correct? Sandusky - JoPa - Curley. See the ladder of management? Someone told Joe, and Joe told his boss.

JoePa has no boss. They tried to get him to quit a few years ago and he threw them out of his house.

Well I guess it depends on the situation. When someone's trying to get you to quit and you're Joe Paterno, then you don't have a boss. But when someone comes to you with terrible accusations about a good friend, then I guess he had a boss at that time. Seems he needed a boss at that point. Why wouldn't they prosecute Paterno? They felt he did enough?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The commode just flushed on JoePa's legacy. People won't remember his two national championships, especially the one in 1986, if they still do. No, they won't remember the amount of wins he had or the controversial undefeated season of 1993 where Nebraska was crowned champions. Instead, they will remember how he prolonged his career only to see it detrimentally diminish amidst this scandal. Joe Paterno is the Godfather of State College. No way he didn't know about this, even in 1998. It is not morally acceptable to turn a blind eye or place doubt into whether or not he knew what was going on, even if he has done such great things for the university, special olympics, and so forth.Adios Joe!

Wow

 

[Joe Summer]

Why is Graham Spanier backing Curley and Schultz?

maybe the dumbest thing that guy could have done.really awful news for your Alma Mater here, GB.

He's not a stupid guy, so this just boggles my mind. I'm trying to understand WTF he's thinking? Is there any chance that this is not as bad as it looks?

Curley and Schultz are each charged with Perjury and Failure To Report. I'm not sure how they can beat either charge, unless maybe they claim that the mandatory reporting law doesn't apply to them?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Horrible situation. Disgusting. But please, if you care about being rational, ignore the Pitt and OSU fans. They hate Paterno and are glad to see him in trouble. I've read and heard a bunch on this and if it is exactly as posted, then Paterno acted legally but should have done more to follow up. However, we may not know the whole story, for good or bad. I'm hoping (praying) that the AD or GA came back to Paterno after the fact and said forget it, it never happened. We'll just have to see. The Grand jury testimony is horrible to read, but makes it sound like it was pretty much undetected other than one complaint in 1998 that unfortunately didn't go up the chain of command and the 2002 incident. Should be interesting/disgusting to see what happens. Sad to be a Penn Stater today. :(

 

[CrossEyed]

Good column by a local sports writer:

Starkey: Is Penn State's image ruined?

Sunday, November 6, 2011

The recent "scandals" that have rocked college football are nothing compared to what the state Attorney General says occurred within the walls of a program regarded as perhaps the most pristine of all: Penn State.

The charges are child abuse and an institutional cover-up.

Saturday's news stunned the sports world: The attorney general's office charged former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky with 40 counts related to the sexual abuse of children.

It also charged two top university administrators -- athletic director Tim Curley and senior vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz -- for failing to report suspected crimes. Schultz's position includes oversight of the university police department.

So many disturbing questions arise.

Two primary ones:

• How does anybody employed within the football program -- most notably iconic head coach Joe Paterno -- survive this mess, regardless of how the cases turn out?

• Did Paterno do the right thing when, according to a grand jury presentment, he was told in 2002 of an eyewitness account of a Sandusky assault and informed only Curley?

Taking the second question first, Paterno's course of action as described in the presentment seems inadequate on several levels.

First, some background: Sandusky retired as defensive coordinator in 1999 but was given "emeritus" status within the school, Attorney General Linda Kelly said.

According to the presentment, Sandusky had unfettered access to campus and an office at the Lasch Football Building, even though, as Schultz testified to the grand jury, he had been the subject of a 1998 university police investigation. The investigation included allegations of sexually inappropriate behavior involving Sandusky and young boys in the football building showers.

Sandusky's activities again drew attention in March 2002 when, Kelly said, a graduate assistant football coach "reportedly observed Sandusky sexually assaulting a naked boy who appeared to be about 10 years old."

The graduate assistant told his father, and the two informed Paterno the next day, the presentment stated. Paterno testified to the grand jury that he reported the allegation to Curley, who then handled -- or perhaps mishandled -- the matter in conjunction with Schultz.

Both men have said through their attorneys that they are innocent.

This is what Kelly said: "The failure of top university officials (Curley, Schultz) to act on reports of Sandusky's alleged sexual misconduct, even after it was reported to them in graphic detail by an eyewitness, allowed a predator to walk free for years continuing to target new victims."

But what about Paterno? If all he did was report the account to Curley and wash his hands of it, was that enough?

The grand jury thought so, as it found no wrongdoing with how Paterno handled himself. He fulfilled his legal obligation, but was there a higher moral responsibility?

It seems so.

Paterno is by far the most powerful man in Penn State athletics. He is the king. He is the football program. He should have told the police -- and not the university police.

And you have to wonder why Paterno apparently did nothing as Sandusky maintained his "emeritus" status even after he was accused in 2002. How could Sandusky have been allowed to keep an office in the football building -- the very building where Kelly says the assault occurred?

Now, to the matter of who survives this mess.

Recruiting is about perception. About creating an image. When that image is sullied, decisive action is required.

Witness the Pitt scandal involving Michael Haywood, who was fired as coach within 24 hours of being arrested on a domestic violence charge in January.

The statement from Pitt chancellor Mark Nordenberg could be instructive in this case.

"To be clear, the university's decision is not tied to any expectation with respect to the terms on which the legal proceeding now pending ... might ultimately be concluded," Nordenberg said. "Instead, it reflects a strong belief that moving forward with Mr. Haywood as our head coach is not possible under the existing circumstances."

How is it possible for Penn State's current staff, led by Paterno, to recruit high-school players under the existing circumstances?

College coaches must convey a certain moral authority to the parents of teenage boys, as they will be essentially be surrogate parents during the course of the players' college careers.

I cannot see how that is possible given the current climate at Penn State. Which means a lot of innocent people could be hurt.

Of course, if the charges are proven true, a lot of innocent people already have been.

Read more: Starkey: Is Penn State's image ruined? - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_765885.html#ixzz1ctfYFHZ8

 

[Billy Bats]

Jesus christ. Russ f'n Rose probably can tell the AD to ####, and he's the women's volleyball coach. He's JoeF'nPa. He's not a mid-level manager to some nobody AD.

Jesus Christ. You people take one word and go off. Relax. Sorry for the bad analogy, but do you understand my basic point?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

The commode just flushed on JoePa's legacy. People won't remember his two national championships, especially the one in 1986, if they still do. No, they won't remember the amount of wins he had or the controversial undefeated season of 1993 where Nebraska was crowned champions. Instead, they will remember how he prolonged his career only to see it detrimentally diminish amidst this scandal. Joe Paterno is the Godfather of State College. No way he didn't know about this, even in 1998. It is not morally acceptable to turn a blind eye or place doubt into whether or not he knew what was going on, even if he has done such great things for the university, special olympics, and so forth.Adios Joe!

Wow

Sorry, but hard not to laugh at that. Sounds like it was a cut and paste job written 10 years ago waiting for something bad to happen to Paterno, doesn't it?

 

[Chase Stuart]

This is such a black mark on the whole program, and sadly, school. And I'm sure people will disagree, but PSU had the appearance of one of, if not the, purest big program in all of sports.

Penn State, Stanford, Boston College and Northwestern were the only teams to avoid major violations among the BCS schools. And none of those three are Penn State.

Look, once Sandusky did this, the program was going to look bad. No way around that, what school had a DC that does unthinkable things? But you can have "Success with Honor" -- you know, Penn State's slogan -- by doing all you can once you discover these things. There are times hwen the situation is murky, but I'm having trouble thinking of a more bright line between right and wrong than this.

PSU didn't have a chance to come out looking clean as a whistle, but they had a chance to come out looking respectable. But Paterno and Curley really disappointed here.

 

[CrossEyed]

Horrible situation. Disgusting. But please, if you care about being rational, ignore the Pitt and OSU fans. They hate Paterno and are glad to see him in trouble. I've read and heard a bunch on this and if it is exactly as posted, then Paterno acted legally but should have done more to follow up. However, we may not know the whole story, for good or bad. I'm hoping (praying) that the AD or GA came back to Paterno after the fact and said forget it, it never happened. We'll just have to see. The Grand jury testimony is horrible to read, but makes it sound like it was pretty much undetected other than one complaint in 1998 that unfortunately didn't go up the chain of command and the 2002 incident. Should be interesting/disgusting to see what happens. Sad to be a Penn Stater today. :(

If you think my anger has anything to do with Pitt/PSU you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

NY Daily

We are ... Penn State. This cheer represents the pride alumni have always taken in both the academic and athletic standards the school has maintained.

But the pristine image of Happy Valley took a huge hit Saturday when athletic director Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, the senior vice president for finance and business, were both charged with felony perjury relating to sexual abuse charges filed against former football assistant coach Jerry Sandusky. The indictment centers around an incident in which Sandusky allegedly assaulted a naked boy in the Lasch Football Building on the Penn State campus in March 2002.

If these allegations prove to be true, Curley and Schultz have to go. But they’re not the only ones.

Legendary coach Joe Paterno, who is said to have testified before a state grand jury that he knew of the allegation and informed Curley, apparently took no other steps such as telling authorities, so he should be gone, too.<br style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sexual abuse of children is a zero tolerance issue.

The 67-year old Sandusky, who lives in State College, was arrested Saturday and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts, the state attorney general’s office said. Sandusky, who works with at-risk children through his Second Mile organization, was charged with seven counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, eight counts of corruption of minors, eight counts of endangering the welfare of a child, seven counts of indecent assault and other offenses.

Authorities identified eight young men who were targets of sexual advances or assaults by Sandusky from 1994 through 2009, before a Clinton County, Pa., woman filed charges with police, accusing Sandusky of sexually assaulting her 12-year old son.

Curley, 57, and Schultz, 62, both face charges of one count of perjury, a third-degree felony. They were also charged with one count of failure to report the incident under Pennsylvania’s Child Protective Services Law. Schultz has control over the university police force.

If convicted, he could be sentenced to up to seven years in prison. Both men are scheduled to turn themselves in Monday before Harrisburg Magisterial District Judge Marsha Stewart.

Unfortunately, in the current college sports culture of America, this is just one instance among many where athletic directors and the university administration are quick to make themselves available for a photo op when a coach or a student-athlete has success on the field or in the classroom, but are nowhere to found whenever there is negative news. There is a tendency to point fingers elsewhere or shove the issue under the bureaucratic table.If the allegations are true, both should face disciplinary actions by the school. There are no scapegoats here. This is a possible criminal act involving a child and Curley and Schultz had a legal responsibility to report what they knew to commonwealth authorities.

We’ve seen this before in the Big Ten at Ohio State when president Gordon Gee and AD Gene Smith were quick to talk about Jim Tressel’s seven Big Ten championships and multiple bowl appearances but suddenly lost their voices after reports began to surface about players on the football team selling memorabilia to a local tattoo parlor owner for money and tattoos. It soon became clear in Columbus that rules were for others.

Paterno is said to have testified before the grand jury in the spring, but the Hall of Fame coach was not implicated in the grand jury report. Paterno’s testimony was that once he was informed of the incident by a graduate assistant, he took the steps mandated by Penn State and called Curley. The graduate assistant then met with Curley and Schultz, recounting what he had witnessed.

Curley told the grand jurors that the graduate assistant who witnessed the alleged incident never mentioned anything of a sexual nature, calling it “merely horsing around,” the 23-page grand jury report said. But the grand jury said Curley was lying and also questioned portions of Schultz’s testimony.

Schultz told the jurors he also knew of a 1998 investigation involving sexually inappropriate behavior by Sandusky with a boy in the showers the football team used. But despite his job overseeing campus police, he never reported the 2002 allegations to any authorities, “never sought or received a police report on the 1998 incident and never attempted to learn the identity of the child in the shower in 2002,” the grand jury’s finding of fact said. “No one from the university did so.”

The 84-year old Paterno has always preached humanity. This is his program and the buck stops here. Sandusky, who retired in 1999 to run the Second Mile, was not an active member of the staff, but he was still a member of the Penn State family. He had an office in the Lasch building as well as access to all the facilities.

Although there are no legal charges pending against Paterno in this matter, the question of moral culpability remains.

In the one instance, he should at least have followed up, making sure the child and his family were given access to all medical and legal resources available and he had a responsibility to the Penn State brand. In light of the multiple charges filed against Sandusky, one wonders how many other children were imperiled and what could have been done to help them.

It strains credibility that Paterno and his staff didn’t know the alleged incident in the shower hadn’t been reported to the appropriate authorities. If it had been, it would have made national news.

Now, almost a decade later, it has become that.

This isn’t going away, nor should it. Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly said that rather than reporting the matter to law enforcement, Curley and Schultz agreed that Sandusky would be told he could not bring any Second Mile children into the football building.<br style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Despite this so-called ban, which was reviewed and approved by Penn State president Dr. Graham Spanier without any further inquiry on the part of the university, “there was no effective change in Sandusky’s status with the school and no limits on his access to the campus,” Kelly said.

The bottom line, according to Kelly, is this: The failure of Penn State officials to act on these graphic reports, and their lack of concern because of their personal relationship with Sandusky, contributed to enabling “a sexual predator to walk free for years — continuing to target new victims.”

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[Chase Stuart]

Jesus christ. Russ f'n Rose probably can tell the AD to ####, and he's the women's volleyball coach. He's JoeF'nPa. He's not a mid-level manager to some nobody AD.

Jesus Christ. You people take one word and go off. Relax. Sorry for the bad analogy, but do you understand my basic point?

I get it. He's a long-time friend.You do tax evasion, maybe you cover it up. You find out the guy has knocked up a freshman, you sweep it under the rug. You find out the guy is raping schoolboys -- and you do nothing to prevent him from continuing to do so? Come on.At the minimum, you buy him a one-way ticket to France and tell him never to step foot on campus again, if you want to "have your friend's back."

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Horrible situation. Disgusting. But please, if you care about being rational, ignore the Pitt and OSU fans. They hate Paterno and are glad to see him in trouble. I've read and heard a bunch on this and if it is exactly as posted, then Paterno acted legally but should have done more to follow up. However, we may not know the whole story, for good or bad. I'm hoping (praying) that the AD or GA came back to Paterno after the fact and said forget it, it never happened. We'll just have to see. The Grand jury testimony is horrible to read, but makes it sound like it was pretty much undetected other than one complaint in 1998 that unfortunately didn't go up the chain of command and the 2002 incident. Should be interesting/disgusting to see what happens. Sad to be a Penn Stater today. :(

If you think my anger has anything to do with Pitt/PSU you are sadly mistaken.

Sorry, I'm sure you're mad about what happened but I've been here long enough to see you as a Pitt fan who severely dislikes Paterno. It colors your judgement, just as mine is colored as am Alum.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The commode just flushed on JoePa's legacy. People won't remember his two national championships, especially the one in 1986, if they still do. No, they won't remember the amount of wins he had or the controversial undefeated season of 1993 where Nebraska was crowned champions. Instead, they will remember how he prolonged his career only to see it detrimentally diminish amidst this scandal. Joe Paterno is the Godfather of State College. No way he didn't know about this, even in 1998. It is not morally acceptable to turn a blind eye or place doubt into whether or not he knew what was going on, even if he has done such great things for the university, special olympics, and so forth.Adios Joe!

Wow

Sorry, but hard not to laugh at that. Sounds like it was a cut and paste job written 10 years ago waiting for something bad to happen to Paterno, doesn't it?

Oh yeah but unfortunately he kind of has a leg to stand on in this instance. I really don't want to think ill of JoePa but this is getting worse by the minute. He really might have to step down however it doesn't mean what he accomplished on the field and all the kids he saw to graduation is any less of a feat. When Miami has a scandal you kind of nod and think par for the course. When JoePa is involved it's more like the very fabric that binds college football is getting smashed. It's just hard to accept. I would still like to hear from Joe Paterno 1st and hear exactly what his explanation is if any. So just to be clear here...JoePa knew about it, reported it to his boss but continued to coach alongside Sandusky? Do I have that right?

 

[CrossEyed]

Horrible situation. Disgusting. But please, if you care about being rational, ignore the Pitt and OSU fans. They hate Paterno and are glad to see him in trouble. I've read and heard a bunch on this and if it is exactly as posted, then Paterno acted legally but should have done more to follow up. However, we may not know the whole story, for good or bad. I'm hoping (praying) that the AD or GA came back to Paterno after the fact and said forget it, it never happened. We'll just have to see. The Grand jury testimony is horrible to read, but makes it sound like it was pretty much undetected other than one complaint in 1998 that unfortunately didn't go up the chain of command and the 2002 incident. Should be interesting/disgusting to see what happens. Sad to be a Penn Stater today. :(

If you think my anger has anything to do with Pitt/PSU you are sadly mistaken.

Sorry, I'm sure you're mad about what happened but I've been here long enough to see you as a Pitt fan who severely dislikes Paterno. It colors your judgement, just as mine is colored as am Alum.

I don't care if it was Dave Wannstedt, Jackie Sherrill, Johnny Majors, or Jock Sutherland, my position would be the same.

 

[bagger]

Jesus christ. Russ f'n Rose probably can tell the AD to ####, and he's the women's volleyball coach. He's JoeF'nPa. He's not a mid-level manager to some nobody AD.

at least will end all the smug talk of penn st. never being on probation.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

The commode just flushed on JoePa's legacy. People won't remember his two national championships, especially the one in 1986, if they still do. No, they won't remember the amount of wins he had or the controversial undefeated season of 1993 where Nebraska was crowned champions. Instead, they will remember how he prolonged his career only to see it detrimentally diminish amidst this scandal. Joe Paterno is the Godfather of State College. No way he didn't know about this, even in 1998. It is not morally acceptable to turn a blind eye or place doubt into whether or not he knew what was going on, even if he has done such great things for the university, special olympics, and so forth.Adios Joe!

Wow

Sorry, but hard not to laugh at that. Sounds like it was a cut and paste job written 10 years ago waiting for something bad to happen to Paterno, doesn't it?

Oh yeah but unfortunately he kind of has a leg to stand on in this instance. I really don't want to think ill of JoePa but this is getting worse by the minute. He really might have to step down however it doesn't mean what he accomplished on the field and all the kids he saw to graduation is any less of a feat. When Miami has a scandal you kind of nod and think par for the course. When JoePa is involved it's more like the very fabric that binds college football is getting smashed. It's just hard to accept. I would still like to hear from Joe Paterno 1st and hear exactly what his explanation is if any. So just to be clear here...JoePa knew about it, reported it to his boss but continued to coach alongside Sandusky? Do I have that right?

No, Sandusky was retired. However he did still have an office on campus and there is an accusation that he brought a young boy to a practice in 2007, IIRC.

 

[Chase Stuart]

The commode just flushed on JoePa's legacy. People won't remember his two national championships, especially the one in 1986, if they still do. No, they won't remember the amount of wins he had or the controversial undefeated season of 1993 where Nebraska was crowned champions. Instead, they will remember how he prolonged his career only to see it detrimentally diminish amidst this scandal. Joe Paterno is the Godfather of State College. No way he didn't know about this, even in 1998. It is not morally acceptable to turn a blind eye or place doubt into whether or not he knew what was going on, even if he has done such great things for the university, special olympics, and so forth.Adios Joe!

Wow

Sorry, but hard not to laugh at that. Sounds like it was a cut and paste job written 10 years ago waiting for something bad to happen to Paterno, doesn't it?

Oh yeah but unfortunately he kind of has a leg to stand on in this instance. I really don't want to think ill of JoePa but this is getting worse by the minute. He really might have to step down however it doesn't mean what he accomplished on the field and all the kids he saw to graduation is any less of a feat. When Miami has a scandal you kind of nod and think par for the course. When JoePa is involved it's more like the very fabric that binds college football is getting smashed. It's just hard to accept. I would still like to hear from Joe Paterno 1st and hear exactly what his explanation is if any. So just to be clear here...JoePa knew about it, reported it to his boss but continued to coach alongside Sandusky? Do I have that right?

Sandusky retired before this happened, but had stayed on campus in a sort of emeritus position.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AkJc3Bg3Qvs8EFluyG9_bGk5nYcB?slug=dw-wetzel_penn_state_child_sex_case_110511

how can anyone read this and think of JoePa the same?

When he looked in the shower he saw what he estimated to be a 10-year-old boy, hands pressed up against the wall, “being subjected to anal intercourse,” by Jerry Sandusky, then 58 and Penn State’s former defensive coordinator. The grad assistant said both the boy and the coach saw him before he fled to his office where, distraught and stunned, the grad assistant telephoned his father, who instructed his son to flee the building.

The next day, a Saturday, the grad assistant went to the home of head coach Joe Paterno and told him what he had seen. The day after that, Paterno called Penn State athletic director Tim Curley to his home to report that the grad assistant had told him he had witnessed “Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”

Makes it sound like JoePa told Curley something different than the story he was initially told.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The commode just flushed on JoePa's legacy. People won't remember his two national championships, especially the one in 1986, if they still do. No, they won't remember the amount of wins he had or the controversial undefeated season of 1993 where Nebraska was crowned champions. Instead, they will remember how he prolonged his career only to see it detrimentally diminish amidst this scandal. Joe Paterno is the Godfather of State College. No way he didn't know about this, even in 1998. It is not morally acceptable to turn a blind eye or place doubt into whether or not he knew what was going on, even if he has done such great things for the university, special olympics, and so forth.Adios Joe!

Wow

Sorry, but hard not to laugh at that. Sounds like it was a cut and paste job written 10 years ago waiting for something bad to happen to Paterno, doesn't it?

Oh yeah but unfortunately he kind of has a leg to stand on in this instance. I really don't want to think ill of JoePa but this is getting worse by the minute. He really might have to step down however it doesn't mean what he accomplished on the field and all the kids he saw to graduation is any less of a feat. When Miami has a scandal you kind of nod and think par for the course. When JoePa is involved it's more like the very fabric that binds college football is getting smashed. It's just hard to accept. I would still like to hear from Joe Paterno 1st and hear exactly what his explanation is if any. So just to be clear here...JoePa knew about it, reported it to his boss but continued to coach alongside Sandusky? Do I have that right?

No, Sandusky was retired. However he did still have an office on campus and there is an accusation that he brought a young boy to a practice in 2007, IIRC.

I guess this is going to come down to a lot of people standing up and announcing they are against child rape and others who are going to say "He told his boss about his friend, what else did you want him to do?"

 

[Joe Summer]

Sandusky retired before this happened, but had stayed on campus in a sort of emeritus position.

And he was allowed to keep his office even after the 2002 assault.

 

[joffer]

pretty disgusting news. i hope Sandusky rots in hell. his retirement always seemed odd.

find everyone who broke the law and prosecute the #### out of them.

if this is the end of Paterno's career, so be it. for me, it doesn't take away from all the good he's done to. i'm not going to judge him, but it would be a sad way to go out.

 

[Sea Duck]

The next day, a Saturday, the grad assistant went to the home of head coach Joe Paterno and told him what he had seen. The day after that, Paterno called Penn State athletic director Tim Curley to his home to report that the grad assistant had told him he had witnessed “Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”

Makes it sound like JoePa told Curley something different than the story he was initially told.

Was JoePa reporting Sandusky or was he reporting the grad student?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Horrible situation. Disgusting. But please, if you care about being rational, ignore the Pitt and OSU fans. They hate Paterno and are glad to see him in trouble. I've read and heard a bunch on this and if it is exactly as posted, then Paterno acted legally but should have done more to follow up. However, we may not know the whole story, for good or bad. I'm hoping (praying) that the AD or GA came back to Paterno after the fact and said forget it, it never happened. We'll just have to see. The Grand jury testimony is horrible to read, but makes it sound like it was pretty much undetected other than one complaint in 1998 that unfortunately didn't go up the chain of command and the 2002 incident. Should be interesting/disgusting to see what happens. Sad to be a Penn Stater today. :(

If you think my anger has anything to do with Pitt/PSU you are sadly mistaken.

Sorry, I'm sure you're mad about what happened but I've been here long enough to see you as a Pitt fan who severely dislikes Paterno. It colors your judgement, just as mine is colored as am Alum.

I don't care if it was Dave Wannstedt, Jackie Sherrill, Johnny Majors, or Jock Sutherland, my position would be the same.

OK. Trust me, I've pissed. And embarrassed. I just don't want to hang anyone, other than, you know, the actual ####### criminal, until we hear a lot more about this. It's not that unreasonable to think that Curley the AD lied to Paterno and said it was reported to the police or something. And from the grand jury report, it sounds like there is little after the 2002 incident until 2007 or so. Let's just see what the real "cover up" was and hear some evidence before we hang Paterno. I do remember hearing back in 1999 that although people thought Paterno would coach several more years (at least, LOL) he was basically told to tell Sandusky that we wasn't going to be the next head coach. That seemed weird to me at the time, but if higher ups knew about the 1998 incident that the janitor reported, it makes more sense. The question is whether Paterno knew about that incident or was really just told that Sandusly wouldn't make the cut as the next head coach. I can see Paterno just thinking the administration didn't think that Sandusky had the skills to be head coach and letting him off easy. But I could also see that he heard the rumors. We'll just have to see. But I think that anyone who was closely following PSU football back in 1999 will remember that it was weird that Sandusky left and weird that it seemed like it wasn't Paterno's decision. Having said all that, I'd sadly be very surprised if the general accusation wasn't true. It's not fair that it makes all of us Penn State fans look so awful, but that's the way the world works sometimes.

 

[Billy Bats]

Jesus christ. Russ f'n Rose probably can tell the AD to ####, and he's the women's volleyball coach. He's JoeF'nPa. He's not a mid-level manager to some nobody AD.

Jesus Christ. You people take one word and go off. Relax. Sorry for the bad analogy, but do you understand my basic point?

I get it. He's a long-time friend.You do tax evasion, maybe you cover it up. You find out the guy has knocked up a freshman, you sweep it under the rug. You find out the guy is raping schoolboys -- and you do nothing to prevent him from continuing to do so? Come on.At the minimum, you buy him a one-way ticket to France and tell him never to step foot on campus again, if you want to "have your friend's back."

So you're immediately picking up the phone and dialing 911 on Tremblay, Pasquino, or Wood? Or would you tell Dodds and Bryant what you heard and let them decide?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AkJc3Bg3Qvs8EFluyG9_bGk5nYcB?slug=dw-wetzel_penn_state_child_sex_case_110511how can anyone read this and think of JoePa the same?

When he looked in the shower he saw what he estimated to be a 10-year-old boy, hands pressed up against the wall, “being subjected to anal intercourse,” by Jerry Sandusky, then 58 and Penn State’s former defensive coordinator. The grad assistant said both the boy and the coach saw him before he fled to his office where, distraught and stunned, the grad assistant telephoned his father, who instructed his son to flee the building.The next day, a Saturday, the grad assistant went to the home of head coach Joe Paterno and told him what he had seen. The day after that, Paterno called Penn State athletic director Tim Curley to his home to report that the grad assistant had told him he had witnessed “Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”

Makes it sound like JoePa told Curley something different than the story he was initially told.

I don't want to get in an argument with you, but "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy" sounds like pretty much what the GA told him, no? And remember, this is his long time DC and confidant. It had to be hard to believe it was true.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

The commode just flushed on JoePa's legacy. People won't remember his two national championships, especially the one in 1986, if they still do. No, they won't remember the amount of wins he had or the controversial undefeated season of 1993 where Nebraska was crowned champions. Instead, they will remember how he prolonged his career only to see it detrimentally diminish amidst this scandal. Joe Paterno is the Godfather of State College. No way he didn't know about this, even in 1998. It is not morally acceptable to turn a blind eye or place doubt into whether or not he knew what was going on, even if he has done such great things for the university, special olympics, and so forth.Adios Joe!

Wow

Sorry, but hard not to laugh at that. Sounds like it was a cut and paste job written 10 years ago waiting for something bad to happen to Paterno, doesn't it?

Oh yeah but unfortunately he kind of has a leg to stand on in this instance. I really don't want to think ill of JoePa but this is getting worse by the minute. He really might have to step down however it doesn't mean what he accomplished on the field and all the kids he saw to graduation is any less of a feat. When Miami has a scandal you kind of nod and think par for the course. When JoePa is involved it's more like the very fabric that binds college football is getting smashed. It's just hard to accept. I would still like to hear from Joe Paterno 1st and hear exactly what his explanation is if any. So just to be clear here...JoePa knew about it, reported it to his boss but continued to coach alongside Sandusky? Do I have that right?

No, Sandusky was retired. However he did still have an office on campus and there is an accusation that he brought a young boy to a practice in 2007, IIRC.

I guess this is going to come down to a lot of people standing up and announcing they are against child rape and others who are going to say "He told his boss about his friend, what else did you want him to do?"

Pretty much. Legally cleared (it sounds like), but ethically?

 

[Kenny Powers]

Horrible situation. Disgusting. But please, if you care about being rational, ignore the Pitt and OSU fans. They hate Paterno and are glad to see him in trouble. I've read and heard a bunch on this and if it is exactly as posted, then Paterno acted legally but should have done more to follow up. However, we may not know the whole story, for good or bad. I'm hoping (praying) that the AD or GA came back to Paterno after the fact and said forget it, it never happened. We'll just have to see. The Grand jury testimony is horrible to read, but makes it sound like it was pretty much undetected other than one complaint in 1998 that unfortunately didn't go up the chain of command and the 2002 incident. Should be interesting/disgusting to see what happens. Sad to be a Penn Stater today. :(

If you think my anger has anything to do with Pitt/PSU you are sadly mistaken.

Sorry, I'm sure you're mad about what happened but I've been here long enough to see you as a Pitt fan who severely dislikes Paterno. It colors your judgement, just as mine is colored as am Alum.

I don't care if it was Dave Wannstedt, Jackie Sherrill, Johnny Majors, or Jock Sutherland, my position would be the same.

Your position would appear to be if youre Paterno, you need to report this to the authorities as soon as you can. I dont disagree with that, but you do appear ready to kick JoePa while he's down as much as anybody, and I didnt even know you were a Pitt fan for sure. What makes Starkey's column "good" that you posted in here? To me, I reads like anything else Ive read about this situation

 

[Ministry of Pain]

http://rivals.yahoo....sex_case_110511

how can anyone read this and think of JoePa the same?

When he looked in the shower he saw what he estimated to be a 10-year-old boy, hands pressed up against the wall, "being subjected to anal intercourse," by Jerry Sandusky, then 58 and Penn State's former defensive coordinator. The grad assistant said both the boy and the coach saw him before he fled to his office where, distraught and stunned, the grad assistant telephoned his father, who instructed his son to flee the building.

The next day, a Saturday, the grad assistant went to the home of head coach Joe Paterno and told him what he had seen. The day after that, Paterno called Penn State athletic director Tim Curley to his home to report that the grad assistant had told him he had witnessed "Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

Makes it sound like JoePa told Curley something different than the story he was initially told.

Try being the grad student informing JoePa, that had to be hell trying to explain that story

 

[Kenny Powers]

pretty disgusting news. i hope Sandusky rots in hell. his retirement always seemed odd.find everyone who broke the law and prosecute the #### out of them.if this is the end of Paterno's career, so be it. for me, it doesn't take away from all the good he's done to. i'm not going to judge him, but it would be a sad way to go out.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I don't want to get in an argument with you, but "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy" sounds like pretty much what the GA told him, no? And remember, this is his long time DC and confidant. It had to be hard to believe it was true.

this: "a 10-year-old boy, hands pressed up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse,”is not even in the same ballpark as" "fondling or something of a sexual nature"come on! people read the latter, and think he was grabbing the kids' junk in the shower or goofing around somehow. much different picture is created when you read the first sentence. sounds more like prison rape to me.

 

[RenegadeGM]

Oops on this title...

(yeah, I know, already posted in the Penn State thread)

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I don't want to get in an argument with you, but "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy" sounds like pretty much what the GA told him, no? And remember, this is his long time DC and confidant. It had to be hard to believe it was true.

this: "a 10-year-old boy, hands pressed up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse,”is not even in the same ballpark as" "fondling or something of a sexual nature"come on! people read the latter, and think he was grabbing the kids' junk in the shower or goofing around somehow. much different picture is created when you read the first sentence. sounds more like prison rape to me.

I read it as a guy who's long time friend that started a children's charity in 1977 was just accused of anal rape of a 10 year old. I didn't see it. I'm disgusted and maybe a little disbelieving. So I report the facts to my boss without the color.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I do remember hearing back in 1999 that although people thought Paterno would coach several more years (at least, LOL) he was basically told to tell Sandusky that we wasn't going to be the next head coach. That seemed weird to me at the time, but if higher ups knew about the 1998 incident that the janitor reported, it makes more sense. The question is whether Paterno knew about that incident or was really just told that Sandusly wouldn't make the cut as the next head coach. I can see Paterno just thinking the administration didn't think that Sandusky had the skills to be head coach and letting him off easy. But I could also see that he heard the rumors. We'll just have to see. But I think that anyone who was closely following PSU football back in 1999 will remember that it was weird that Sandusky left and weird that it seemed like it wasn't Paterno's decision.

Interesting. As someone who didnt attend PSU until 2003, I wasnt exactly in-tune to this situation. Makes some trial testimony even more intriguing.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Jesus christ. Russ f'n Rose probably can tell the AD to ####, and he's the women's volleyball coach. He's JoeF'nPa. He's not a mid-level manager to some nobody AD.

Jesus Christ. You people take one word and go off. Relax. Sorry for the bad analogy, but do you understand my basic point?

I get it. He's a long-time friend.You do tax evasion, maybe you cover it up. You find out the guy has knocked up a freshman, you sweep it under the rug. You find out the guy is raping schoolboys -- and you do nothing to prevent him from continuing to do so? Come on.At the minimum, you buy him a one-way ticket to France and tell him never to step foot on campus again, if you want to "have your friend's back."

So you're immediately picking up the phone and dialing 911 on Tremblay, Pasquino, or Wood? Or would you tell Dodds and Bryant what you heard and let them decide?

I like the cut of your jib

 

[ConstruxBoy]

pretty disgusting news. i hope Sandusky rots in hell. his retirement always seemed odd.

find everyone who broke the law and prosecute the #### out of them.

if this is the end of Paterno's career, so be it. for me, it doesn't take away from all the good he's done to. i'm not going to judge him, but it would be a sad way to go out.

Do you remember that it was odd not just because he was in line for the head coach job and pretty young, but because there were rumors that Joe was told to tell him that? I remember that. Wish I could find something on the internet about it with more detail.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I read it as a guy who's long time friend that started a children's charity in 1977 was just accused of anal rape of a 10 year old. I didn't see it. I'm disgusted and maybe a little disbelieving. So I report the facts to my boss without the color.

so, when you hear your buddy is raping kids in the shower, you tell your boss and hope he just decides to stop?you don't worry about the defenseless child victims at all?

 

[CrossEyed]

Horrible situation. Disgusting. But please, if you care about being rational, ignore the Pitt and OSU fans. They hate Paterno and are glad to see him in trouble. I've read and heard a bunch on this and if it is exactly as posted, then Paterno acted legally but should have done more to follow up. However, we may not know the whole story, for good or bad. I'm hoping (praying) that the AD or GA came back to Paterno after the fact and said forget it, it never happened. We'll just have to see. The Grand jury testimony is horrible to read, but makes it sound like it was pretty much undetected other than one complaint in 1998 that unfortunately didn't go up the chain of command and the 2002 incident. Should be interesting/disgusting to see what happens. Sad to be a Penn Stater today. :(

If you think my anger has anything to do with Pitt/PSU you are sadly mistaken.

Sorry, I'm sure you're mad about what happened but I've been here long enough to see you as a Pitt fan who severely dislikes Paterno. It colors your judgement, just as mine is colored as am Alum.

I don't care if it was Dave Wannstedt, Jackie Sherrill, Johnny Majors, or Jock Sutherland, my position would be the same.

OK. Trust me, I've pissed. And embarrassed. I just don't want to hang anyone, other than, you know, the actual ####### criminal, until we hear a lot more about this. It's not that unreasonable to think that Curley the AD lied to Paterno and said it was reported to the police or something. And from the grand jury report, it sounds like there is little after the 2002 incident until 2007 or so. Let's just see what the real "cover up" was and hear some evidence before we hang Paterno. I do remember hearing back in 1999 that although people thought Paterno would coach several more years (at least, LOL) he was basically told to tell Sandusky that we wasn't going to be the next head coach. That seemed weird to me at the time, but if higher ups knew about the 1998 incident that the janitor reported, it makes more sense. The question is whether Paterno knew about that incident or was really just told that Sandusly wouldn't make the cut as the next head coach. I can see Paterno just thinking the administration didn't think that Sandusky had the skills to be head coach and letting him off easy. But I could also see that he heard the rumors. We'll just have to see. But I think that anyone who was closely following PSU football back in 1999 will remember that it was weird that Sandusky left and weird that it seemed like it wasn't Paterno's decision. Having said all that, I'd sadly be very surprised if the general accusation wasn't true. It's not fair that it makes all of us Penn State fans look so awful, but that's the way the world works sometimes.

The only way PSU fans could look awful is if any of them defend what happened. I don't see how what some pervert DC did can reflect poorly on the fans.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Horrible situation. Disgusting. But please, if you care about being rational, ignore the Pitt and OSU fans. They hate Paterno and are glad to see him in trouble. I've read and heard a bunch on this and if it is exactly as posted, then Paterno acted legally but should have done more to follow up. However, we may not know the whole story, for good or bad. I'm hoping (praying) that the AD or GA came back to Paterno after the fact and said forget it, it never happened. We'll just have to see. The Grand jury testimony is horrible to read, but makes it sound like it was pretty much undetected other than one complaint in 1998 that unfortunately didn't go up the chain of command and the 2002 incident. Should be interesting/disgusting to see what happens. Sad to be a Penn Stater today. :(

If you think my anger has anything to do with Pitt/PSU you are sadly mistaken.

Sorry, I'm sure you're mad about what happened but I've been here long enough to see you as a Pitt fan who severely dislikes Paterno. It colors your judgement, just as mine is colored as am Alum.

I don't care if it was Dave Wannstedt, Jackie Sherrill, Johnny Majors, or Jock Sutherland, my position would be the same.

OK. Trust me, I've pissed. And embarrassed. I just don't want to hang anyone, other than, you know, the actual ####### criminal, until we hear a lot more about this. It's not that unreasonable to think that Curley the AD lied to Paterno and said it was reported to the police or something. And from the grand jury report, it sounds like there is little after the 2002 incident until 2007 or so. Let's just see what the real "cover up" was and hear some evidence before we hang Paterno. I do remember hearing back in 1999 that although people thought Paterno would coach several more years (at least, LOL) he was basically told to tell Sandusky that we wasn't going to be the next head coach. That seemed weird to me at the time, but if higher ups knew about the 1998 incident that the janitor reported, it makes more sense. The question is whether Paterno knew about that incident or was really just told that Sandusly wouldn't make the cut as the next head coach. I can see Paterno just thinking the administration didn't think that Sandusky had the skills to be head coach and letting him off easy. But I could also see that he heard the rumors. We'll just have to see. But I think that anyone who was closely following PSU football back in 1999 will remember that it was weird that Sandusky left and weird that it seemed like it wasn't Paterno's decision. Having said all that, I'd sadly be very surprised if the general accusation wasn't true. It's not fair that it makes all of us Penn State fans look so awful, but that's the way the world works sometimes.

The only way PSU fans could look awful is if any of them defend what happened. I don't see how what some pervert DC did can reflect poorly on the fans.

Thanks. I mean that. I'm basically defending what Paterno did until we find out more about the facts and evidence. If he hid it or enabled it, #### him.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

pretty disgusting news. i hope Sandusky rots in hell. his retirement always seemed odd.

find everyone who broke the law and prosecute the #### out of them.

if this is the end of Paterno's career, so be it. for me, it doesn't take away from all the good he's done to. i'm not going to judge him, but it would be a sad way to go out.

Do you remember that it was odd not just because he was in line for the head coach job and pretty young, but because there were rumors that Joe was told to tell him that? I remember that. Wish I could find something on the internet about it with more detail.

Joe was told to tell him what?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I read it as a guy who's long time friend that started a children's charity in 1977 was just accused of anal rape of a 10 year old. I didn't see it. I'm disgusted and maybe a little disbelieving. So I report the facts to my boss without the color.

so, when you hear your buddy is raping kids in the shower, you tell your boss and hope he just decides to stop?you don't worry about the defenseless child victims at all?

I go to my boss and then I go to my buddy and say what the #### happened? I understand that you say you would immediately call the police. I question that. Maybe you would. But it's certainly easy to say that.

 

[joffer]

strictly from the program perspecitve, the AD and administrator being charged is worse than what Sandusky did. scumbags masquerading as good people are everywhere, it just so happens PSU had one as their defensive coordinator for a while. but if there was a cover-up, that casts a big shadow.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I read it as a guy who's long time friend that started a children's charity in 1977 was just accused of anal rape of a 10 year old. I didn't see it. I'm disgusted and maybe a little disbelieving. So I report the facts to my boss without the color.

so, when you hear your buddy is raping kids in the shower, you tell your boss and hope he just decides to stop?you don't worry about the defenseless child victims at all?

If someone I didnt know told me they saw this, and accused a longtime friend of mine (for me, it would have to be a best friend), I wouldnt immediately go to the cops. Now, I dont work for a prominent football program/school, and none of my best friends are co-workers are mine, but Im not just dropping the dime on my best friend without at least 1) confronting him 2) thinking it over for a few days

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I read it as a guy who's long time friend that started a children's charity in 1977 was just accused of anal rape of a 10 year old. I didn't see it. I'm disgusted and maybe a little disbelieving. So I report the facts to my boss without the color.

so, when you hear your buddy is raping kids in the shower, you tell your boss and hope he just decides to stop?you don't worry about the defenseless child victims at all?

I go to my boss and then I go to my buddy and say what the #### happened? I understand that you say you would immediately call the police. I question that. Maybe you would. But it's certainly easy to say that.

I've worked with child victims of sexual assault.Completely inexcusable for someone in a position of authority to cover up a report like this from a credible witness.Instead of worrying about how it impacts the university or the football program, people need to worry about the victims a bit here.

 

[CrossEyed]

I read it as a guy who's long time friend that started a children's charity in 1977 was just accused of anal rape of a 10 year old. I didn't see it. I'm disgusted and maybe a little disbelieving. So I report the facts to my boss without the color.

so, when you hear your buddy is raping kids in the shower, you tell your boss and hope he just decides to stop?you don't worry about the defenseless child victims at all?

I go to my boss and then I go to my buddy and say what the #### happened? I understand that you say you would immediately call the police. I question that. Maybe you would. But it's certainly easy to say that.

You're right. First I'd beat him senseless...THEN I'd call the police.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Jesus christ. Russ f'n Rose probably can tell the AD to ####, and he's the women's volleyball coach. He's JoeF'nPa. He's not a mid-level manager to some nobody AD.

Jesus Christ. You people take one word and go off. Relax. Sorry for the bad analogy, but do you understand my basic point?

I get it. He's a long-time friend.You do tax evasion, maybe you cover it up. You find out the guy has knocked up a freshman, you sweep it under the rug. You find out the guy is raping schoolboys -- and you do nothing to prevent him from continuing to do so? Come on.At the minimum, you buy him a one-way ticket to France and tell him never to step foot on campus again, if you want to "have your friend's back."

So you're immediately picking up the phone and dialing 911 on Tremblay, Pasquino, or Wood? Or would you tell Dodds and Bryant what you heard and let them decide?

I might go to Dodds and Bryant before the authorities. I might go to my dad first, as did the GA.I respect Joe and David's opinion. We'd talk, but I don't think it would take very long. Obviously you don't just call the police with no evidence -- we interview the GA. But you meet with Sandusky. You figure it out.But at the end, either the GA or Sandusky is gone. How's this for a brilliant idea -- you go figure out who the child in question is. You go talk to to him and his parents. How's that sound for a plan?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

pretty disgusting news. i hope Sandusky rots in hell. his retirement always seemed odd.

find everyone who broke the law and prosecute the #### out of them.

if this is the end of Paterno's career, so be it. for me, it doesn't take away from all the good he's done to. i'm not going to judge him, but it would be a sad way to go out.

Do you remember that it was odd not just because he was in line for the head coach job and pretty young, but because there were rumors that Joe was told to tell him that? I remember that. Wish I could find something on the internet about it with more detail.

Joe was told to tell him what?

My strong recollection, which I understand looks bad right now, was that the "talk" was that it wasn't Paterno who decided to tell Sandusky that he would never be the head coach. It was the Administration telling Joe to tell Sandusky that. And I remember people thinking that was weird. Why confront Sandusky with that in 1999? He wasn't that old. His coaching skills were fine. So to me, one big question is whether the administration back in 1999 knew of the 1998 incident that the janitor reported and made up a reason to tell Joe why Sandusky couldn't replace him and he (Sandusky) needed to know that. Maybe they told Joe that Sandusky was asking for a big raise (yes, yes, laugh at the pun) since he thought he was the next head coach? But I do know there was some talk about the weirdness of it at the time.

 

[Chase Stuart]

It's certainly a little different if you're not Joe Paterno. If you're a normal worker, you're worried about retribution, your personal future, your career, your livelihood. You become akin to a whistleblower, and we know those situations aren't easy.

But this is Joe Paterno and the AD. Come on.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I read it as a guy who's long time friend that started a children's charity in 1977 was just accused of anal rape of a 10 year old. I didn't see it. I'm disgusted and maybe a little disbelieving. So I report the facts to my boss without the color.

so, when you hear your buddy is raping kids in the shower, you tell your boss and hope he just decides to stop?you don't worry about the defenseless child victims at all?

I go to my boss and then I go to my buddy and say what the #### happened? I understand that you say you would immediately call the police. I question that. Maybe you would. But it's certainly easy to say that.

I've worked with child victims of sexual assault.Completely inexcusable for someone in a position of authority to cover up a report like this from a credible witness.Instead of worrying about how it impacts the university or the football program, people need to worry about the victims a bit here.

I can't argue. I just want to see more testimony on that side of it. Or actually, I guess I don't.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I read it as a guy who's long time friend that started a children's charity in 1977 was just accused of anal rape of a 10 year old. I didn't see it. I'm disgusted and maybe a little disbelieving. So I report the facts to my boss without the color.

so, when you hear your buddy is raping kids in the shower, you tell your boss and hope he just decides to stop?you don't worry about the defenseless child victims at all?

I go to my boss and then I go to my buddy and say what the #### happened? I understand that you say you would immediately call the police. I question that. Maybe you would. But it's certainly easy to say that.

You're right. First I'd beat him senseless...THEN I'd call the police.

What if youre buddy was James Harrison?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Jesus christ. Russ f'n Rose probably can tell the AD to ####, and he's the women's volleyball coach. He's JoeF'nPa. He's not a mid-level manager to some nobody AD.

Jesus Christ. You people take one word and go off. Relax. Sorry for the bad analogy, but do you understand my basic point?

I get it. He's a long-time friend.You do tax evasion, maybe you cover it up. You find out the guy has knocked up a freshman, you sweep it under the rug. You find out the guy is raping schoolboys -- and you do nothing to prevent him from continuing to do so? Come on.At the minimum, you buy him a one-way ticket to France and tell him never to step foot on campus again, if you want to "have your friend's back."

So you're immediately picking up the phone and dialing 911 on Tremblay, Pasquino, or Wood? Or would you tell Dodds and Bryant what you heard and let them decide?

I might go to Dodds and Bryant before the authorities. I might go to my dad first, as did the GA.I respect Joe and David's opinion. We'd talk, but I don't think it would take very long. Obviously you don't just call the police with no evidence -- we interview the GA. But you meet with Sandusky. You figure it out.But at the end, either the GA or Sandusky is gone. How's this for a brilliant idea -- you go figure out who the child in question is. You go talk to to him and his parents. How's that sound for a plan?

FWIW, I understood that these kids, and most of the kids in the Second Mile program, don't have families that they keep in touch with.