Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (8 Viewers)

[AmosMoses]

I hope this is wrong because its unthinkable if true:

@TheBigLead: Uh-oh RT @nathanielkraft Mark Madden just said on WEEI that reports coming that Sandusky & Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors

Mark Madden wrote on this with pretty good accuracy in April or So.

Jesus. Let's hope this isn't true. If it is, it needs to come out and people need to go down hard for it, but I hope this isn't true.

 

[jackdubl]

I think the real issue is not whether what Paterno did was "legal," it's that a whole bunch of people knew what happened several times in the past and did nothing to prevent things from happening to other kids again in the future. So it's more a morality call in that once they knew what Sandusky was doing ang they did not make sure it never happened again.Another issue is that even though Paterno reported "to his superiors," there really was no one higher in stature than Paterno (even if there were by title). In practical reality, the administration was going to go along with whatever he wanted to do. For years, he was the key decisionmaker, so for him to pass the buck or claim ignorance seems rather far-fetched. I was just listening to some of this on tv, and one of the reporters who first started reporting on this months and months ago when the grand jury was going on suggested that this is the tip of the iceberg. (He did say that very few people listened to him because they thought it was a bogus story that was never going to go anywhere.)He suggested that there will be more victims coming forward. He also said that with some more digging that it will likely come out that there was a deal between Sandusky and the school that he would retire in exchange for PSU's silence and a coverup of his actions. There apparently are also now rumors and speculation that Sandusky was actually pimping out hook ups with young kids to high volume donors to his foundation.Bottom line, it's conceivable that a lot worse things went on and that it will come out that a lot of people knew a lot more than they are currently letting on and it got swept under the rug.

I heard one reporter say that several more victims came forward over the weekend, but hasn't been made public yet. Also heard chatter about this being the tip of the iceberg.And people saying you can hide behind "Well I told my boss. And when he didn't do anything I just said 'oh well'" need to listen to what your saying. That's not just JoPa, but I think it's safe to say we all hold him to a higher standard than a 25 year-old grad student and some janitors.

 

[Tiny Dancer]

I had never heard of Sandusky before he got arrested. I didn't open up this thread for a couple days because I wasn't interested in some guy I had never heard of sexually abusing some kids. I'd imagine that was the media sentiment as well.

Sandusky according to some people invented the zone blitz scheme and is widely credited with making Penn State linebacker U. He was a much accomplished coach and until recently was very highly regarded in coaching circles.

Yeah, I've read that now, but I don't think the average sports fan knew his name before this weekend.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

It is still somewhat amazing to me how slow this story started to get to the point where it is now. Still surprised that ESPN was so behind a "sports" story like this.Now it is wall-to-wall coverage on the radio, but on Monday it was a two-minute piece within a segment.

I had never heard of Sandusky before he got arrested. I didn't open up this thread for a couple days because I wasn't interested in some guy I had never heard of sexually abusing some kids. I'd imagine that was the media sentiment as well.

Sandusky according to some people invented the zone blitz scheme and is widely credited with making Penn State linebacker U. He was a much accomplished coach and until recently was very highly regarded in coaching circles.

I'm surprised more was never made of his quick exit from coaching, based on his resume you would think he had a lot of interest from other teams to become a head coach somewhere.

 

[shaunmzs]

I hope this is wrong because its unthinkable if true:

@TheBigLead: Uh-oh RT @nathanielkraft Mark Madden just said on WEEI that reports coming that Sandusky & Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors

Mark Madden wrote on this with pretty good accuracy in April or So.

And so it begins..

Exactly the type of thing I expected to come to light. The guy was walking around in schools, getting caught by wrestling coaches, janitors, grad students... When you have the balls to be so open about this sort of thing... this is just getting started. By the time it's finished I'm afraid the number of victims is going to be close to 50. When was this Second Mile thing started in the 80's, thats 30 years of him praying on kids and having a recruitment base to choose from.This whole thing just makes me sick! No way JoePed didn't know what was going on!

 

[CrossEyed]

Now imagine these kids are black.

I have no idea what race these kids are, but yes if they are minorities this will take another even uglier turn.

Why even go there? It's completely insignificant.

exactly. I have not once considered the race of the kids, and it has no bearing on the allegations.

Ease up guys. It was a joke. Saying "now imagine ________ are black" is the ffa equal to something motivating being done to motivate Tatum Bell in the SP.A minor chuckle here and there isn't a bad thing as long as it's not coming at the expense of the abused kids or lessening the scum's guilt.

Sorry man, I'm just so emotional about this right now that it's hard to have a sense of humor about it.

 

[AmosMoses]

I hope this is wrong because its unthinkable if true:

@TheBigLead: Uh-oh RT @nathanielkraft Mark Madden just said on WEEI that reports coming that Sandusky & Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors

Mark Madden wrote on this with pretty good accuracy in April or So.

And so it begins..

Exactly the type of thing I expected to come to light. The guy was walking around in schools, getting caught by wrestling coaches, janitors, grad students... When you have the balls to be so open about this sort of thing... this is just getting started. By the time it's finished I'm afraid the number of victims is going to be close to 50. When was this Second Mile thing started in the 80's, thats 30 years of him praying on kids and having a recruitment base to choose from.This whole thing just makes me sick! No way JoePed didn't know what was going on!

I think the victim count is in the 50s if it's just him. If he's not only a predator for himself, but a pimp to people like him the victim count could be well into three digits. I hope this isn't true. Joe, and McQeary could have stopped it all.

 

[CrossEyed]

I had never heard of Sandusky before he got arrested. I didn't open up this thread for a couple days because I wasn't interested in some guy I had never heard of sexually abusing some kids. I'd imagine that was the media sentiment as well.

Sandusky according to some people invented the zone blitz scheme and is widely credited with making Penn State linebacker U. He was a much accomplished coach and until recently was very highly regarded in coaching circles.

Yeah, I've read that now, but I don't think the average sports fan knew his name before this weekend.

Anyone who was a college football fan in the 70s or 80s knew who Sandusky was. PSU was "Linebacker U", primarily because of Sandusky.

 

[dhockster]

I just went to The Second Mile website to see what information was on there about the whole situation. They have a message on their explaining

what they knew about the situation. Apparently the CEO was contacted by Curley in 2002 and told that an individual was uncomfortable about having found Sandusky showering with one of the second mile kids. Curley assured the CEO that they had investigated and found no evidence of wrongdoing. The CEO gave testimony to that effect to the grand jury.

If Curley really told the CEO that all was well, don't worry about it, then he is an absolutely dispicable person.

There are bad people in this world. Sandusky is one of them. There are also normal people who choose not to do the right thing when given the Chance. McQueary, McQueary's father, Curley, Schutlz, Paterno, and Spanier all fall into this camp. They all choose not to do the right thing because they were more concerned with protecting the legacy of Joe Paterno and the good name of Penn State.

I would not be surprised if at some point one of these people commits suicide. I don't know how I could live with myself if I did what one of them did and it became exposed to the whole world.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I had never heard of Sandusky before he got arrested. I didn't open up this thread for a couple days because I wasn't interested in some guy I had never heard of sexually abusing some kids. I'd imagine that was the media sentiment as well.

Sandusky according to some people invented the zone blitz scheme and is widely credited with making Penn State linebacker U. He was a much accomplished coach and until recently was very highly regarded in coaching circles.

Yeah, I've read that now, but I don't think the average sports fan knew his name before this weekend.

I think he was widely known among anyone who followed college football prior to 2000. He was considered to be the successor to Paterno at the time, and despite being "just" a coordinator his name was out there.

 

[Angry Beavers]

IF that is true, it really is going to hit the fan.....

 

[dickey moe]

Welcome to the horrific downside of idolatry.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I have a hard time believing the "pimping kids out to donors" thing. That sounds like the kind of sensational report that tends float around in fast-breaking stories and ends up coming to naught after a day or two. But on the other hand, it's pretty obvious that Sandusky's involvement in Second Mile wasn't motivated by altruism -- you have to figure there are going to be more victims associated with that organization.

 

[delusional]

What is wrong is Joe Pa is being held to higher scrutiny then Sandurksy Schlutz or Curely. That is the screwed up point. Everyone has their attention at one of the most widely known people in the country.

For those saying Joe Pa is Penn State...yes to the students & fans but to that board, they wanted him gone for the past 20 years and made efforts to do so. Now those same people are tossing him to the wolves and hiding behind the unwarranted attention he is recieving.

As for the one post, yes the athletic director is higher, which is who Paterno reported to the following day along with Schlutz. Now considering, from what I believe, those two were the ones that swept the 98 incidient under the wrong & then this one again, it is disgusting that Joe Pa is taking all the heat on this.

Hell when the one victims own sister comes out and says he did nothing wrong, he was right in what he did...that speaks volumes about how the media has flipped this switched and the coward A.D. & Schlutz been hiding this. Make matters works is the guy admitted it to a mother of a victim that he did it but nothing was done by police or anything then.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

I hope this is wrong because its unthinkable if true:

@TheBigLead: Uh-oh RT @nathanielkraft Mark Madden just said on WEEI that reports coming that Sandusky & Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors

Mark Madden wrote on this with pretty good accuracy in April or So.

Jesus. Let's hope this isn't true. If it is, it needs to come out and people need to go down hard for it, but I hope this isn't true.

...and people wonder why the old DA got disappeared

 

[Tiny Dancer]

Yeah, I've read that now, but I don't think the average sports fan knew his name before this weekend.

I think he was widely known among anyone who followed college football prior to 2000. He was considered to be the successor to Paterno at the time, and despite being "just" a coordinator his name was out there.

maybe, but compared to Paterno, Sandusky is a nobody. Even the most casual sports fan knows who Paterno is and some things about him. The story took off when it became apparent that there was a Paterno angle.

 

[jackdubl]

How can the attention be unwarranted? You said yourself he's one of the most widely know people in the country. So you're saying "just ignore the icon in the corner over there?" Not gonna happen on this planet.

 

[dickey moe]

I hope this is wrong because its unthinkable if true:

@TheBigLead: Uh-oh RT @nathanielkraft Mark Madden just said on WEEI that reports coming that Sandusky & Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors

Mark Madden wrote on this with pretty good accuracy in April or So.

:(

 

[CrossEyed]

Welcome to the horrific downside of idolatry humanity.

Fixed

 

[Smack Tripper]

I have a hard time believing the "pimping kids out to donors" thing. That sounds like the kind of sensational report that tends float around in fast-breaking stories and ends up coming to naught after a day or two. But on the other hand, it's pretty obvious that Sandusky's involvement in Second Mile wasn't motivated by altruism -- you have to figure there are going to be more victims associated with that organization.

I agree with you, but the writer has been accurate in the past

 

[CrossEyed]

I have a hard time believing the "pimping kids out to donors" thing. That sounds like the kind of sensational report that tends float around in fast-breaking stories and ends up coming to naught after a day or two. But on the other hand, it's pretty obvious that Sandusky's involvement in Second Mile wasn't motivated by altruism -- you have to figure there are going to be more victims associated with that organization.

I agree with you, but the writer has been accurate in the past

Right. I think Madden is arrogant and pompous, but he was on top of this story FAR before anyone else.

 

[johnnycakes]

Link to Madden Audio. Listen around 7:30 mark.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

it is disgusting that Joe Pa is taking all the heat on this.

Poor Joe Paterno. This is what happens when you enable a child rapist to rape children for a decade.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Lots of people in here making statements of fact made on assumptions and presumptions rather than the information that is actually available. You are drawing conclusions that simply have not yet been proven or released as far as specific knowledge of events and what was said and to whom along with saying there is so much more to come out etc. This lynch mob mentality isn't helping anything. These are dangerous positions to be taking.

 

[CrossEyed]

Lots of people in here making statements of fact made on assumptions and presumptions rather than the information that is actually available. You are drawing conclusions that simply have not yet been proven or released as far as specific knowledge of events and what was said and to whom along with saying there is so much more to come out etc. This lynch mob mentality isn't helping anything. These are dangerous positions to be taking.

If the only things that are true are the things that we KNOW based on the Grand Jury report, I think that's plenty for the position that most of us have taken.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I hope this is wrong because its unthinkable if true:

@TheBigLead: Uh-oh RT @nathanielkraft Mark Madden just said on WEEI that reports coming that Sandusky & Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors

Mark Madden wrote on this with pretty good accuracy in April or So.

This could be the bomb that was mentioned by SportsbyBrooks last night on twitter... This is about to get a whole lot worse. My God.

Second Mile is not affiliated with Penn State and Mark Madden is not a very reliable source. His last article didn't say much other than there was a grand jury investigation (which apparently many were aware of, it just hadn't made the news cycle) and him questioning where the outrage was. Madden is a shock jock with little to no integrity or care for others. He knows deck hockey and wwe/wcw.

 

[BroadwayG]

Lots of people in here making statements of fact made on assumptions and presumptions rather than the information that is actually available. You are drawing conclusions that simply have not yet been proven or released as far as specific knowledge of events and what was said and to whom along with saying there is so much more to come out etc. This lynch mob mentality isn't helping anything. These are dangerous positions to be taking.

If the only things that are true are the things that we KNOW based on the Grand Jury report, I think that's plenty for the position that most of us have taken.

Noone has ever lied to a grand jury before?

 

[CrossEyed]

Lots of people in here making statements of fact made on assumptions and presumptions rather than the information that is actually available. You are drawing conclusions that simply have not yet been proven or released as far as specific knowledge of events and what was said and to whom along with saying there is so much more to come out etc. This lynch mob mentality isn't helping anything. These are dangerous positions to be taking.

If the only things that are true are the things that we KNOW based on the Grand Jury report, I think that's plenty for the position that most of us have taken.

Noone has ever lied to a grand jury before?

Paterno's own testimony is all I really need to know about his lack of integrity.

 

[shader]

After thinking about it for a few days, I've changed my mind and I am left with the decision that there are no excuses for Paterno or any administrators.

A little boy was being raped and McQueary did nothing to stop it and didn't go to police.

Paterno didn't go to police but shifted the matter up to the administration.

The administration did nothing either.

Due to the actions of those people countless other children have been subjected to this vile man.

I think they all should be locked up, Paterno included.

 

[dickey moe]

Welcome to the horrific downside of idolatry humanity.

Fixed

Without the worship of Paterno and the instinct to protect Nittany Lions football at all costs, I doubt the situation would have languished for this long. I could be wrong of course. The situation is really similar to the culture of the Catholic Church.

 

[B-Deep]

Lots of people in here making statements of fact made on assumptions and presumptions rather than the information that is actually available. You are drawing conclusions that simply have not yet been proven or released as far as specific knowledge of events and what was said and to whom along with saying there is so much more to come out etc. This lynch mob mentality isn't helping anything. These are dangerous positions to be taking.

If the only things that are true are the things that we KNOW based on the Grand Jury report, I think that's plenty for the position that most of us have taken.

Noone has ever lied to a grand jury before?

if you think joe lying to the grand jury somehow makes him look better than that's coolwhat he admitted to shows he did not do enoughmany of us think there's circumstantial evidence that he knew a lot more and knew it before 2002but the position of most is his account of what he did in 2002 shows he did not do nearly enougheven now he admits he should have done more, though he indicates the benefit of hindsight shows this.

 

[Todd Andrews]

The student protests are unfathomable. Read the report. The future looks bleak with kids like thisThe University has been embarrassed enough. They are adding to it.

How you can protest for Joe Pa at this point blows my mind, they should have been tearing his house down with their bare hands instead

Tearing his house down? Jesus, get a grip. He didn't rape anybody.

no he just allowed it to happened repeatedly on his watch

His watch? Is he a cop or a security guard?No, he's a football coach.

I dont care what he was, he has testified under oath he was told there was fondling and sexual activity happening in that shower, and he later saw Sandusky with little boys at games, banquets and other places associated with PSU and he did nothing.He is a child rapist protector and a child rape enabler and he belongs in jail along with McQueary, Curley, Schultz and everyone else who enabled the child rape, IMO.

 

[Joseph]

Lots of people in here making statements of fact made on assumptions and presumptions rather than the information that is actually available. You are drawing conclusions that simply have not yet been proven or released as far as specific knowledge of events and what was said and to whom along with saying there is so much more to come out etc. This lynch mob mentality isn't helping anything. These are dangerous positions to be taking.

If the only things that are true are the things that we KNOW based on the Grand Jury report, I think that's plenty for the position that most of us have taken.

Noone has ever lied to a grand jury before?

read the report, you just sound foolish. You think Paterno, McQueary and Curley all lied about having knowledge of a pedophile in their midst, something that resulted in one getting fired, another under prosecution for perjury and the third being thought of as the biggest coward in the history of the world? Read the grand jury report, understand what happened and then come back.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Whoever was asking those questions is an absolute embarrassment.

To be honest, I also got the sense that the media crowd was slightly pro-Paterno, too.twitpic.com/7cmg53

 

[Chase Stuart]

Big 10 Network showing an old Michigan-Northwestern game instead of covering this story.

FWIW, Andy Staples (who has been outspoken against Paterno since this broke) and works for SI said the B10N asked him to come on. He said 'will you censor me?' and they said 'absolutely not.' After the interview he praised the Network for being open.

 

[BroadwayG]

Lots of people in here making statements of fact made on assumptions and presumptions rather than the information that is actually available. You are drawing conclusions that simply have not yet been proven or released as far as specific knowledge of events and what was said and to whom along with saying there is so much more to come out etc. This lynch mob mentality isn't helping anything. These are dangerous positions to be taking.

If the only things that are true are the things that we KNOW based on the Grand Jury report, I think that's plenty for the position that most of us have taken.

Noone has ever lied to a grand jury before?

Paterno's own testimony is all I really need to know about his lack of integrity.

That was a yes or no question.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Lots of people in here making statements of fact made on assumptions and presumptions rather than the information that is actually available. You are drawing conclusions that simply have not yet been proven or released as far as specific knowledge of events and what was said and to whom along with saying there is so much more to come out etc. This lynch mob mentality isn't helping anything. These are dangerous positions to be taking.

If the only things that are true are the things that we KNOW based on the Grand Jury report, I think that's plenty for the position that most of us have taken.

Noone has ever lied to a grand jury before?

I'm not even implying that anybody has lied. But the grand jury report is not the full story and people here are imputing knowledge on individuals where there has been no testimony or evidence presented and are making assumptions based on these things and making statements of fact rather than opinion about the people (Paterno particularly) and some grander conspiracy based on knowledge and deceit that simply has yet to be presented by any authority figure or stated in the grand jury report, which again is not all direct testimony. I feel like certain people in here are frothing at the mouth and are almost in a fit of rage when making certain statements.

 

[CrossEyed]

The student protests are unfathomable. Read the report. The future looks bleak with kids like thisThe University has been embarrassed enough. They are adding to it.

How you can protest for Joe Pa at this point blows my mind, they should have been tearing his house down with their bare hands instead

Tearing his house down? Jesus, get a grip. He didn't rape anybody.

no he just allowed it to happened repeatedly on his watch

His watch? Is he a cop or a security guard?No, he's a football coach.

I dont care what he was, he has testified under oath he was told there was fondling and sexual activity happening in that shower, and he later saw Sandusky with little boys at games, banquets and other places associated with PSU and he did nothing.He is a child rapist protector and a child rape enabler and he belongs in jail along with McQueary, Curley, Schultz and everyone else who enabled the child rape, IMO.

And the idea that he's just a football coach is a joke. Paterno ran PSU.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Leeroy Jenkins with some impressive denial here

 

[Chase Stuart]

CNN covering this much better than ESPN

Good info. Chris Fowler being very reasonable on ESPN right now but generally this has been too much.

I thought the big guy (Trevor Maysomething?) before the press conference was really good.

he's been the best guest analyst I've seen thus far.Trevor Matich.

He was excellent yesterday afternoon and last night. Never seen him before but really liked him.

 

[CrossEyed]

Lots of people in here making statements of fact made on assumptions and presumptions rather than the information that is actually available. You are drawing conclusions that simply have not yet been proven or released as far as specific knowledge of events and what was said and to whom along with saying there is so much more to come out etc. This lynch mob mentality isn't helping anything. These are dangerous positions to be taking.

If the only things that are true are the things that we KNOW based on the Grand Jury report, I think that's plenty for the position that most of us have taken.

Noone has ever lied to a grand jury before?

Paterno's own testimony is all I really need to know about his lack of integrity.

That was a yes or no question.

OK, yes.Either way, I know what I need to know to understand Joe's lack of integrity.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Lots of people in here making statements of fact made on assumptions and presumptions rather than the information that is actually available. You are drawing conclusions that simply have not yet been proven or released as far as specific knowledge of events and what was said and to whom along with saying there is so much more to come out etc. This lynch mob mentality isn't helping anything. These are dangerous positions to be taking.

If the only things that are true are the things that we KNOW based on the Grand Jury report, I think that's plenty for the position that most of us have taken.

Noone has ever lied to a grand jury before?

Paterno's own testimony is all I really need to know about his lack of integrity.

What testimony are you referring to? There are two quotes in the report. You guys keep referring to the grand jury report, but I don't think anybody knows what they were reading.

 

[The Jerk]

What is wrong is Joe Pa is being held to higher scrutiny then Sandurksy Schlutz or Curely. That is the screwed up point. Everyone has their attention at one of the most widely known people in the country. For those saying Joe Pa is Penn State...yes to the students & fans but to that board, they wanted him gone for the past 20 years and made efforts to do so. Now those same people are tossing him to the wolves and hiding behind the unwarranted attention he is recieving.

There are a number of logical reasons why more scrutiny was/is being paid to Paterno than the others listed above.1. Essentially, while the charges at this point are technically still allegations, the court of public opinion has clearly concluded that Sandusky is an evil monster. There is no moral ambiguity with him, so long as even a tiny fraction of the allegations are true. Compared to Paterno and Spanier, Curley and Schultz quickly stepped down from their positions. As a result, the focus has been on Paterno and Spanier.2. Unlike nearly all comparable universities, due to the small town aspect of State College and the unprecedented tenure in which Paterno -- arguably more than any other coach at any other school -- led the transformation of Penn State from an agricultural school to a nationally known and respected university, Joe has been by far the most powerful person at the university. At least with regards to anything related to the football program, Joe made the call. The only exception in his entire time at Penn State where he did not get his way was when Penn State eliminated football parking to build its baseball field. With anything connected to Penn State football, Joe called the shots. His apparent failure to go beyond the legal minimum requirements in this scenario stands in stark contrast to nearly all other football-related issues in his time at Penn State.3. Paterno called his program, with its "Success with Honor" slogan, the Grand Experiment. For 60+ years at Penn State and 45+ years as head coach, the outside perception of Penn State was that it was different from most other football programs that often face scrutiny for various scandals. While arguably boastful or pompous, even critics and rival schools typically had to admit that Penn State mostly lived up to this ideal. It has been argued by some that State College's remoteness and comparatively tiny media presence contributed to a lack of reporting on minor issues, and ESPN did a noteworthy "Outside the Lines" report on a large number of arrests 4 or 5 years ago. But still, even the staunchest detractors of Penn State would admit that the "Success with Honor" mantra was mostly fulfilled, if only by comparison to the seemingly win at all costs football schools that permeate the college landscape.So, when (1) all the other figures with significant power at Penn State were removed -- Spanier was out at noon yesterday, just not officially -- and only Paterno was still in place, when (2) Joe has been the most powerful person in State College for decades, and when (3) the entire image of Paterno and Penn State football was a legacy of honor and integrity, then perhaps one can begin to understand why so much attention has been focused on Joe Paterno.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Based on CNN footage, these are the happiest "angry rioters" I have seen in a while

Side note, but Stuart Scott was really intolerable last night. He kept hoping and praying for a riot with every question. Like the dude wants to get his name out as the man who was broadcasting the night of the famous Penn State riots.

 

[AmosMoses]

Yeah, I've read that now, but I don't think the average sports fan knew his name before this weekend.

I think he was widely known among anyone who followed college football prior to 2000. He was considered to be the successor to Paterno at the time, and despite being "just" a coordinator his name was out there.

maybe, but compared to Paterno, Sandusky is a nobody. Even the most casual sports fan knows who Paterno is and some things about him. The story took off when it became apparent that there was a Paterno angle.

I agree with this. Sandusky is as widely known as Mark Richt would have been if he didn't go to UGA. Local people would know of him, astute college football fans would know of him, but he isn't a national name.

 

[B-Deep]

Based on CNN footage, these are the happiest "angry rioters" I have seen in a while

Side note, but Stuart Scott was really intolerable last night. He kept hoping and praying for a riot with every question. Like the dude wants to get his name out as the man who was broadcasting the night of the famous Penn State riots.

agree

 

[BroadwayG]

Lots of people in here making statements of fact made on assumptions and presumptions rather than the information that is actually available. You are drawing conclusions that simply have not yet been proven or released as far as specific knowledge of events and what was said and to whom along with saying there is so much more to come out etc. This lynch mob mentality isn't helping anything. These are dangerous positions to be taking.

If the only things that are true are the things that we KNOW based on the Grand Jury report, I think that's plenty for the position that most of us have taken.

Noone has ever lied to a grand jury before?

Paterno's own testimony is all I really need to know about his lack of integrity.

That was a yes or no question.

OK, yes.Either way, I know what I need to know to understand Joe's lack of integrity.

Ok, just making sure you were aware the grand jury report is not the end all be all of the judicial process. You may carry on with the pitchforks and torches.

 

[CrossEyed]

What testimony are you referring to? There are two quotes in the report. You guys keep referring to the grand jury report, but I don't think anybody knows what they were reading.

Paterno said that he was told that there was fondling or something of a sexual nature that happened in the shower between Sandusky and a 10 year old boy. Yet the most powerful man at PSU didn't do anything to stop it from continuing. And don't waste my time with telling me about him going to Curley. When nothing happened and Sandusky continued to bring young boys onto that campus he had a moral obligation to go to the police.He failed miserably. I just can't believe that people can't understand this.

 

[dgreen]

CNN covering this much better than ESPN

Good info. Chris Fowler being very reasonable on ESPN right now but generally this has been too much.

I thought the big guy (Trevor Maysomething?) before the press conference was really good.

he's been the best guest analyst I've seen thus far.Trevor Matich.

He was excellent yesterday afternoon and last night. Never seen him before but really liked him.

He started as a Redskins analyst on local postgame shows. He's really good.

 

[cvnpoka]

What is wrong is Joe Pa is being held to higher scrutiny then Sandurksy Schlutz or Curely. That is the screwed up point. Everyone has their attention at one of the most widely known people in the country.

For those saying Joe Pa is Penn State...yes to the students & fans but to that board, they wanted him gone for the past 20 years and made efforts to do so. Now those same people are tossing him to the wolves and hiding behind the unwarranted attention he is recieving.

As for the one post, yes the athletic director is higher, which is who Paterno reported to the following day along with Schlutz. Now considering, from what I believe, those two were the ones that swept the 98 incidient under the wrong & then this one again, it is disgusting that Joe Pa is taking all the heat on this.

Hell when the one victims own sister comes out and says he did nothing wrong, he was right in what he did...that speaks volumes about how the media has flipped this switched and the coward A.D. & Schlutz been hiding this. Make matters works is the guy admitted it to a mother of a victim that he did it but nothing was done by police or anything then.

huh? those guys are charged with perjury and likely more charges will follow. paterno is charged with nothing and likely wont be.