Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)

[Ramblin Wreck]

Jesus christ. Russ f'n Rose probably can tell the AD to ####, and he's the women's volleyball coach. He's JoeF'nPa. He's not a mid-level manager to some nobody AD.

Jesus Christ. You people take one word and go off. Relax. Sorry for the bad analogy, but do you understand my basic point?

I get it. He's a long-time friend.You do tax evasion, maybe you cover it up. You find out the guy has knocked up a freshman, you sweep it under the rug. You find out the guy is raping schoolboys -- and you do nothing to prevent him from continuing to do so? Come on.At the minimum, you buy him a one-way ticket to France and tell him never to step foot on campus again, if you want to "have your friend's back."

So you're immediately picking up the phone and dialing 911 on Tremblay, Pasquino, or Wood? Or would you tell Dodds and Bryant what you heard and let them decide?

Are you freaking kidding me? Raping a 10 year old boy isn't a Penn State issue. He should have immediately called the State College police, Pennsylvania state police and maybe even the freaking FBI. You're not this dense are you?

 

[Trey]

Clean house.

I want everyone from the AD to Paterno to the damn water boy fired immediately.

Absolutely ####### disgusting.

 

[otello]

I can't see JoePa surviving this.

 

[AmosMoses]

When Sandusky gets to prison, I hope a Pitt fan rapes him first.

I really can't believe people defending Paterno here. Paterno reporting child rape to his boss means nothing. You can get away with that excuse when it comes to recruiting violations, but this is child rape. You call the police immediately. No excuses. I think we all know why he didn't though. He knew this would throw a giant sink bomb on Penn State and Paterno wanted to keep coaching, so he did what he knew what he could do to keep this under wraps.

 

[Apple Jack]

Jesus christ. Russ f'n Rose probably can tell the AD to ####, and he's the women's volleyball coach. He's JoeF'nPa. He's not a mid-level manager to some nobody AD.

Jesus Christ. You people take one word and go off. Relax. Sorry for the bad analogy, but do you understand my basic point?

I get it. He's a long-time friend.You do tax evasion, maybe you cover it up. You find out the guy has knocked up a freshman, you sweep it under the rug. You find out the guy is raping schoolboys -- and you do nothing to prevent him from continuing to do so? Come on.At the minimum, you buy him a one-way ticket to France and tell him never to step foot on campus again, if you want to "have your friend's back."

So you're immediately picking up the phone and dialing 911 on Tremblay, Pasquino, or Wood? Or would you tell Dodds and Bryant what you heard and let them decide?

Are you freaking kidding me? Raping a 10 year old boy isn't a Penn State issue. He should have immediately called the State College police, Pennsylvania state police and maybe even the freaking FBI. You're not this dense are you?

The lack of appreciation here for the magnitude of this is disturbing. I understand I don't see eye to eye with most of the guys who frequent this board, but we can at least all get on the same page when it comes to pedophilia, can't we?

 

[Billy Bats]

Jesus christ. Russ f'n Rose probably can tell the AD to ####, and he's the women's volleyball coach. He's JoeF'nPa. He's not a mid-level manager to some nobody AD.

Jesus Christ. You people take one word and go off. Relax. Sorry for the bad analogy, but do you understand my basic point?

I get it. He's a long-time friend.You do tax evasion, maybe you cover it up. You find out the guy has knocked up a freshman, you sweep it under the rug. You find out the guy is raping schoolboys -- and you do nothing to prevent him from continuing to do so? Come on.

At the minimum, you buy him a one-way ticket to France and tell him never to step foot on campus again, if you want to "have your friend's back."

So you're immediately picking up the phone and dialing 911 on Tremblay, Pasquino, or Wood? Or would you tell Dodds and Bryant what you heard and let them decide?

Are you freaking kidding me? Raping a 10 year old boy isn't a Penn State issue. He should have immediately called the State College police, Pennsylvania state police and maybe even the freaking FBI. You're not this dense are you?

No I'm not that dense. And yes I feel that way about McQueary. All I'm saying is if I'm in Paterno's shoes, hearing a story second hand without being a witness, then I would have a hard time immediately calling the police on my best friend. Like myself and Chase have discussed, I would pursue other options before I called police on my best friend about a second hand report. Just being honest. If you could do that with a second hand story about best friend, instead of just reporting it to the proper people and letting them deal with it, then more power to you.

 

[bigbottom]

Jesus christ. Russ f'n Rose probably can tell the AD to ####, and he's the women's volleyball coach. He's JoeF'nPa. He's not a mid-level manager to some nobody AD.

Jesus Christ. You people take one word and go off. Relax. Sorry for the bad analogy, but do you understand my basic point?

I get it. He's a long-time friend.You do tax evasion, maybe you cover it up. You find out the guy has knocked up a freshman, you sweep it under the rug. You find out the guy is raping schoolboys -- and you do nothing to prevent him from continuing to do so? Come on.At the minimum, you buy him a one-way ticket to France and tell him never to step foot on campus again, if you want to "have your friend's back."

So you're immediately picking up the phone and dialing 911 on Tremblay, Pasquino, or Wood? Or would you tell Dodds and Bryant what you heard and let them decide?

Are you freaking kidding me? Raping a 10 year old boy isn't a Penn State issue. He should have immediately called the State College police, Pennsylvania state police and maybe even the freaking FBI. You're not this dense are you?

Agreed. But for the love of all that is holy, why the hell didn't the graduate assistant who actually witnessed the rape call the police?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Jesus christ. Russ f'n Rose probably can tell the AD to ####, and he's the women's volleyball coach. He's JoeF'nPa. He's not a mid-level manager to some nobody AD.

Jesus Christ. You people take one word and go off. Relax. Sorry for the bad analogy, but do you understand my basic point?

I get it. He's a long-time friend.You do tax evasion, maybe you cover it up. You find out the guy has knocked up a freshman, you sweep it under the rug. You find out the guy is raping schoolboys -- and you do nothing to prevent him from continuing to do so? Come on.

At the minimum, you buy him a one-way ticket to France and tell him never to step foot on campus again, if you want to "have your friend's back."

So you're immediately picking up the phone and dialing 911 on Tremblay, Pasquino, or Wood? Or would you tell Dodds and Bryant what you heard and let them decide?

Are you freaking kidding me? Raping a 10 year old boy isn't a Penn State issue. He should have immediately called the State College police, Pennsylvania state police and maybe even the freaking FBI. You're not this dense are you?

No I'm not that dense. And yes I feel that way about McQueary. All I'm saying is if I'm in Paterno's shoes, hearing a story second hand without being a witness, then I would have a hard time immediately calling the police on my best friend. Like myself and Chase have discussed, I would pursue other options before I called police on my best friend about a second hand report. Just being honest. If you could do that with a second hand story about best friend, instead of just reporting it to the proper people and letting them deal with it, then more power to you.

Fine. He didn't call the cops immediately. He's still known about it for what 9 years. You think he's innocent and pure here?

 

[Joe Summer]

Agreed. But for the love of all that is holy, why the hell didn't the graduate assistant who actually witnessed the rape call the police?

Because he was afraid of losing his job?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Agreed. But for the love of all that is holy, why the hell didn't the graduate assistant who actually witnessed the rape call the police?

probably felt like he'd lose his job and/or hurt his career by doing so.

 

[AmosMoses]

Jesus christ. Russ f'n Rose probably can tell the AD to ####, and he's the women's volleyball coach. He's JoeF'nPa. He's not a mid-level manager to some nobody AD.

Jesus Christ. You people take one word and go off. Relax. Sorry for the bad analogy, but do you understand my basic point?

I get it. He's a long-time friend.You do tax evasion, maybe you cover it up. You find out the guy has knocked up a freshman, you sweep it under the rug. You find out the guy is raping schoolboys -- and you do nothing to prevent him from continuing to do so? Come on.

At the minimum, you buy him a one-way ticket to France and tell him never to step foot on campus again, if you want to "have your friend's back."

So you're immediately picking up the phone and dialing 911 on Tremblay, Pasquino, or Wood? Or would you tell Dodds and Bryant what you heard and let them decide?

Are you freaking kidding me? Raping a 10 year old boy isn't a Penn State issue. He should have immediately called the State College police, Pennsylvania state police and maybe even the freaking FBI. You're not this dense are you?

No I'm not that dense. And yes I feel that way about McQueary. All I'm saying is if I'm in Paterno's shoes, hearing a story second hand without being a witness, then I would have a hard time immediately calling the police on my best friend. Like myself and Chase have discussed, I would pursue other options before I called police on my best friend about a second hand report. Just being honest. If you could do that with a second hand story about best friend, instead of just reporting it to the proper people and letting them deal with it, then more power to you.

The proper people are THE POLICE.

 

[AmosMoses]

I'm in shock so many people are cool with raping boys. In ####### shock.

 

[Billy Bats]

Jesus christ. Russ f'n Rose probably can tell the AD to ####, and he's the women's volleyball coach. He's JoeF'nPa. He's not a mid-level manager to some nobody AD.

Jesus Christ. You people take one word and go off. Relax. Sorry for the bad analogy, but do you understand my basic point?

I get it. He's a long-time friend.You do tax evasion, maybe you cover it up. You find out the guy has knocked up a freshman, you sweep it under the rug. You find out the guy is raping schoolboys -- and you do nothing to prevent him from continuing to do so? Come on.

At the minimum, you buy him a one-way ticket to France and tell him never to step foot on campus again, if you want to "have your friend's back."

So you're immediately picking up the phone and dialing 911 on Tremblay, Pasquino, or Wood? Or would you tell Dodds and Bryant what you heard and let them decide?

Are you freaking kidding me? Raping a 10 year old boy isn't a Penn State issue. He should have immediately called the State College police, Pennsylvania state police and maybe even the freaking FBI. You're not this dense are you?

No I'm not that dense. And yes I feel that way about McQueary. All I'm saying is if I'm in Paterno's shoes, hearing a story second hand without being a witness, then I would have a hard time immediately calling the police on my best friend. Like myself and Chase have discussed, I would pursue other options before I called police on my best friend about a second hand report. Just being honest. If you could do that with a second hand story about best friend, instead of just reporting it to the proper people and letting them deal with it, then more power to you.

Fine. He didn't call the cops immediately. He's still known about it for what 9 years. You think he's innocent and pure here?

Link me to that, please. Don't put words in my mouth, I've never implied that AT ALL. Hear are some quotes that you may have missed.

I'm not defending him (Paterno), or absolving him of anything.

Wondering that maybe Paterno should be part of the indictments....

Why wouldn't they prosecute Paterno? They felt he did enough?

It all stinks, and a house cleaning should be in order, and soon.

 

[joffer]

i don't think JoePa survives this, and i don't think he should.

the fact that it was McQueary makes it worse. this wasn't some random guy that Joe didn't know, this was one of his guys. just reporting it to the AD may have been the only thing he legally needed to do, but that's no where near enough. who knows how i'd react if i found out one of my best friends was a pedophile, but i sure hope i'd do the right thing.

and i don't understand the university president hitching his wagon to these two guys unless he knew as well. if they all go down, then this program won't recover for a while. and that's probably a good thing.

 

[Apple Jack]

I'm all for, and champion, acknowledging the nuance in delicate situations. This? Child rape? No nuance. No hold ons, no buts, no i was worried for my jobs, none of that. This is slam dunk human being stuff. Hell, losing his job would have been the best thing that ever happened to him. He could have sued the school, and state, for wrongful termination and spent the rest of his days surfing in Indonesia for the rest of his life if he wanted.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Why did the Graduate Assistant who witnessed the sex act go to Paterno and not the police? Did the GA go to Paterno directly, or did he go to somebody else who then went up the chain to Paterno?

Joe didn't witness anything. He reported what somebody told him he or somebody else saw so that the University could take appropriate steps with an internal investigation and/or contacting the legal authorities.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Why did the Graduate Assistant who witnessed the sex act go to Paterno and not the police? Did the GA go to Paterno directly, or did he go to somebody else who then went up the chain to Paterno?Joe didn't witness anything. He reported what somebody told him he or somebody else saw so that the University could take appropriate steps with an internal investigation and/or contacting the legal authorities.

did you read any story on this?http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel_penn_state_child_sex_case_110511

At approximately 9:30 p.m. on March 1, 2002, a Penn State graduate assistant entered what should have been an empty football locker room. He was surprised to hear the showers running and noises he thought sounded like sexual activity, according to a Pennsylvania grand jury “finding of fact” released Saturday.When he looked in the shower he saw what he estimated to be a 10-year-old boy, hands pressed up against the wall, “being subjected to anal intercourse,” by Jerry Sandusky, then 58 and Penn State’s former defensive coordinator. The grad assistant said both the boy and the coach saw him before he fled to his office where, distraught and stunned, the grad assistant telephoned his father, who instructed his son to flee the building.The next day, a Saturday, the grad assistant went to the home of head coach Joe Paterno and told him what he had seen. The day after that, Paterno called Penn State athletic director Tim Curley to his home to report that the grad assistant had told him he had witnessed “Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”A week-and-a-half later, according to the grand jury report, the grad assistant was called to a meeting with Curley and Gary Schultz, the school’s senior vice president for finance and business, where he retold his story.Sandusky had retired from the Penn State program in 1999, a surprise to many who saw him as a possible successor to Paterno. He instead dedicated himself to “Second Mile,” a group home he founded in 1977 dedicated to helping troubled boys. He often brought troubled kids through the Penn State facilities, including the famed Beaver Stadium, bought them gifts and took them to sporting events.Curley did not notify university police or have the graduate assistant further questioned involving the incident. No other legal or university entity investigated the case.Merely alerting police would’ve been significant since they investigated Sandusky in 1998 for “incidents with children in football building showers.” Curley never asked for a background check on Sandusky.Curley instead took it upon himself to inform the director of “Second Mile” about the charge, although it didn’t concern potential sodomy of a minor.Curley told the grand jury he was merely told that Sandusky was “horsing around” with the boy. The grand jury did not find that credible in part because Schultz said he had gotten the impression “Sandusky might have inappropriately grabbed the young boys’ genitals while wrestling around.” Both Curley and Schultz are charged with perjury for claiming the grad assistant didn’t inform them of “sexual activity.”Curley later met with Sandusky and told him he was no longer allowed to bring children onto the Penn State campus. He forwarded the report on to university president Graham Spanier, who approved of Sandusky’s ban from bringing children onto campus and himself never reported the incident to police.On the base of the grand jury findings Sandusky was arrested Saturday morning and charged with seven counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse; eight counts of corruption of minors, eight counts of endangering the welfare of a child, seven counts of indecent assault and other offenses. He was released Saturday on $100,000 bail.Pennsylvania’s attorney general cited incidents involving Sandusky that ran from 1994 until 2009, including the above act.

GA tells JoePa. A day later, JoePa tells Curley what sounds like a toned-down version of the story. Then, they wait a week and a half, and bring the GA in to tell his story. Curley and the administration chose to do basically nothing with this information. They banned him from bringing kids on campus anymore. So, basically said it's ok to rape kids but don't do it on campus anymore? WTF.Thte guy was a sexual predator from approximately 1994 to 2009. Sickening that they did nothing to stop him.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Why did the Graduate Assistant who witnessed the sex act go to Paterno and not the police? Did the GA go to Paterno directly, or did he go to somebody else who then went up the chain to Paterno?Joe didn't witness anything. He reported what somebody told him he or somebody else saw so that the University could take appropriate steps with an internal investigation and/or contacting the legal authorities.

did you read any story on this?http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel_penn_state_child_sex_case_110511

At approximately 9:30 p.m. on March 1, 2002, a Penn State graduate assistant entered what should have been an empty football locker room. He was surprised to hear the showers running and noises he thought sounded like sexual activity, according to a Pennsylvania grand jury “finding of fact” released Saturday.When he looked in the shower he saw what he estimated to be a 10-year-old boy, hands pressed up against the wall, “being subjected to anal intercourse,” by Jerry Sandusky, then 58 and Penn State’s former defensive coordinator. The grad assistant said both the boy and the coach saw him before he fled to his office where, distraught and stunned, the grad assistant telephoned his father, who instructed his son to flee the building.The next day, a Saturday, the grad assistant went to the home of head coach Joe Paterno and told him what he had seen. The day after that, Paterno called Penn State athletic director Tim Curley to his home to report that the grad assistant had told him he had witnessed “Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”A week-and-a-half later, according to the grand jury report, the grad assistant was called to a meeting with Curley and Gary Schultz, the school’s senior vice president for finance and business, where he retold his story.Sandusky had retired from the Penn State program in 1999, a surprise to many who saw him as a possible successor to Paterno. He instead dedicated himself to “Second Mile,” a group home he founded in 1977 dedicated to helping troubled boys. He often brought troubled kids through the Penn State facilities, including the famed Beaver Stadium, bought them gifts and took them to sporting events.Curley did not notify university police or have the graduate assistant further questioned involving the incident. No other legal or university entity investigated the case.Merely alerting police would’ve been significant since they investigated Sandusky in 1998 for “incidents with children in football building showers.” Curley never asked for a background check on Sandusky.Curley instead took it upon himself to inform the director of “Second Mile” about the charge, although it didn’t concern potential sodomy of a minor.Curley told the grand jury he was merely told that Sandusky was “horsing around” with the boy. The grand jury did not find that credible in part because Schultz said he had gotten the impression “Sandusky might have inappropriately grabbed the young boys’ genitals while wrestling around.” Both Curley and Schultz are charged with perjury for claiming the grad assistant didn’t inform them of “sexual activity.”Curley later met with Sandusky and told him he was no longer allowed to bring children onto the Penn State campus. He forwarded the report on to university president Graham Spanier, who approved of Sandusky’s ban from bringing children onto campus and himself never reported the incident to police.On the base of the grand jury findings Sandusky was arrested Saturday morning and charged with seven counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse; eight counts of corruption of minors, eight counts of endangering the welfare of a child, seven counts of indecent assault and other offenses. He was released Saturday on $100,000 bail.Pennsylvania’s attorney general cited incidents involving Sandusky that ran from 1994 until 2009, including the above act.

GA tells JoePa. A day later, JoePa tells Curley what sounds like a toned-down version of the story. Then, they wait a week and a half, and bring the GA in to tell his story. Curley and the administration chose to do basically nothing with this information.Yet, the guy was a sexual predator from approximately 1994 to 2009. Sickening.

I only read the initial story. That's the first time I read that the witness went to Paterno's house. It's leaked now that the assistant was Mike McQueary? Still, why is there nobody questioning why the witness didn't call the police? I guess because if it was McQueary he could be concerned about his job? Still, when somebody tells you they saw something, is your first reaction to call the cops? I feel like telling the AD was appropriate as the administration representative. It sounds like they did an investigation (or not much of one perhaps) and then did nothing about it.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I only read the initial story. That's the first time I read that the witness went to Paterno's house. It's leaked now that the assistant was Mike McQueary? Still, why is there nobody questioning why the witness didn't call the police? I guess because if it was McQueary he could be concerned about his job? Still, when somebody tells you they saw something, is your first reaction to call the cops? I feel like telling the AD was appropriate as the administration representative. It sounds like they did an investigation (or not much of one perhaps) and then did nothing about it.

Curley did not notify university police or have the graduate assistant further questioned involving the incident. No other legal or university entity investigated the case.

if all this is true as reported, this Curley guy probably deserves some jail time as well.seems like a bit of a coincidence that Sandusky was investigated in 1998 and then surprisingly "retired" in 1999 even though everyone thought he was the heir apparent. If they knew about the 1998 incident/investigation and still chose to do nothing in 2002, how do you not convict all these dudes for the cover up?

 

[Sinn Fein]

I suppose its too late to mention that these are just allegation, and Sandusky maintains his innocence.

Not defending the allegations, but Sandusky is due his day in court before we pass final judgement imo.

I do agree however that on the allegations, Paterno should have done more - legally required or not. I also think the graduate assistant should have done more, as the eyewitness to a potential felony crime.

I also think the further removed you get from the act itself, the harder it is to run to the police without investigating first.

 

[CrossEyed]

Why did the Graduate Assistant who witnessed the sex act go to Paterno and not the police? Did the GA go to Paterno directly, or did he go to somebody else who then went up the chain to Paterno?Joe didn't witness anything. He reported what somebody told him he or somebody else saw so that the University could take appropriate steps with an internal investigation and/or contacting the legal authorities.

did you read any story on this?http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel_penn_state_child_sex_case_110511

At approximately 9:30 p.m. on March 1, 2002, a Penn State graduate assistant entered what should have been an empty football locker room. He was surprised to hear the showers running and noises he thought sounded like sexual activity, according to a Pennsylvania grand jury “finding of fact” released Saturday.When he looked in the shower he saw what he estimated to be a 10-year-old boy, hands pressed up against the wall, “being subjected to anal intercourse,” by Jerry Sandusky, then 58 and Penn State’s former defensive coordinator. The grad assistant said both the boy and the coach saw him before he fled to his office where, distraught and stunned, the grad assistant telephoned his father, who instructed his son to flee the building.The next day, a Saturday, the grad assistant went to the home of head coach Joe Paterno and told him what he had seen. The day after that, Paterno called Penn State athletic director Tim Curley to his home to report that the grad assistant had told him he had witnessed “Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”A week-and-a-half later, according to the grand jury report, the grad assistant was called to a meeting with Curley and Gary Schultz, the school’s senior vice president for finance and business, where he retold his story.Sandusky had retired from the Penn State program in 1999, a surprise to many who saw him as a possible successor to Paterno. He instead dedicated himself to “Second Mile,” a group home he founded in 1977 dedicated to helping troubled boys. He often brought troubled kids through the Penn State facilities, including the famed Beaver Stadium, bought them gifts and took them to sporting events.Curley did not notify university police or have the graduate assistant further questioned involving the incident. No other legal or university entity investigated the case.Merely alerting police would’ve been significant since they investigated Sandusky in 1998 for “incidents with children in football building showers.” Curley never asked for a background check on Sandusky.Curley instead took it upon himself to inform the director of “Second Mile” about the charge, although it didn’t concern potential sodomy of a minor.Curley told the grand jury he was merely told that Sandusky was “horsing around” with the boy. The grand jury did not find that credible in part because Schultz said he had gotten the impression “Sandusky might have inappropriately grabbed the young boys’ genitals while wrestling around.” Both Curley and Schultz are charged with perjury for claiming the grad assistant didn’t inform them of “sexual activity.”Curley later met with Sandusky and told him he was no longer allowed to bring children onto the Penn State campus. He forwarded the report on to university president Graham Spanier, who approved of Sandusky’s ban from bringing children onto campus and himself never reported the incident to police.On the base of the grand jury findings Sandusky was arrested Saturday morning and charged with seven counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse; eight counts of corruption of minors, eight counts of endangering the welfare of a child, seven counts of indecent assault and other offenses. He was released Saturday on $100,000 bail.Pennsylvania’s attorney general cited incidents involving Sandusky that ran from 1994 until 2009, including the above act.

GA tells JoePa. A day later, JoePa tells Curley what sounds like a toned-down version of the story. Then, they wait a week and a half, and bring the GA in to tell his story. Curley and the administration chose to do basically nothing with this information.Yet, the guy was a sexual predator from approximately 1994 to 2009. Sickening.

I only read the initial story. That's the first time I read that the witness went to Paterno's house. It's leaked now that the assistant was Mike McQueary? Still, why is there nobody questioning why the witness didn't call the police? I guess because if it was McQueary he could be concerned about his job? Still, when somebody tells you they saw something, is your first reaction to call the cops? I feel like telling the AD was appropriate as the administration representative. It sounds like they did an investigation (or not much of one perhaps) and then did nothing about it.

If you can stomach the details, read the Grand Jury report. I linked it earlier in the thread.

 

[Sea Duck]

GA tells JoePa. A day later, JoePa tells Curley what sounds like a toned-down version of the story. Then, they wait a week and a half, and bring the GA in to tell his story.

Did they bring the GA in to "tell his story", or did they bring the GA in to offer him a coaching job if he keeps his mouth shut?

 

[LHUCKS]

Joe Pa, by decades of accounts, is a man of character.

I hope these allegations are not true.

 

[Apple Jack]

I also think the further removed you get from the act itself, the harder it is to run to the police without investigating first.

Especially when you have Paterno softening the language from sodomy to fondling or doing something of a sexual nature, then Curley further altering it to horsing around. You have to assume they believed it because of this. Otherwise, why not let due process run it's course? As for protecting your best friend...these aren't 22 year olds out drunk. These are grown men in positions of authority and influence, with kids and grandkids of their own. And the guy is working with disadvantaged kids. The whole thing is just nauseating. I imagine their own families will be looking at them differently. Paterno is done and can live out his days in shame.

 

[Joe Summer]

GA tells JoePa. A day later, JoePa tells Curley what sounds like a toned-down version of the story. Then, they wait a week and a half, and bring the GA in to tell his story.

Did they bring the GA in to "tell his story", or did they bring the GA in to offer him a coaching job if he keeps his mouth shut?

"Warden" Curley: Would you be willing to swear before a judge and jury, having placed your hand on the Good Book and taken an oath before Almighty God Himself?"Tommy" McQueary: Just gimme that chance.

Curley: That's what I thought.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

No one is giving McQueary a free pass here that I see. I see people that don't think Paterno should get a free pass though. It's not one or the other that's responsible. They both had a moral obligation to go to the police, IMO.

 

[fred_1_15301]

As a Pitt fan, I've always hated PSU but respected the program. This is just a disgusting story.....I feel bad for PSU fans right now. Hope everyone responsible (or knowledgable) rots in hell.

 

[Billy Bats]

Just heard on sports radio that the DA's office is announcing that Paterno has agreed to testify against Sandusky.

 

[CrossEyed]

As a Pitt fan, I've always hated PSU but respected the program. This is just a disgusting story.....I feel bad for PSU fans right now. Hope everyone responsible (or knowledgable) rots in hell.

Let's have them rot in jail in the meantime.

 

[CrossEyed]

Just heard on sports radio that the DA's office is announcing that Paterno has agreed to testify against Sandusky.

Too late to save yourself now, Joe.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

how exactly does Joe testify against the guy if he knew what the guy was doing and did nothing about it? Trying to save himself?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Just heard on sports radio that the DA's office is announcing that Paterno has agreed to testify against Sandusky.

Too late to save yourself now, Joe.

 

[Parrothead]

An intersting side note to this story is the fact that the athletic department offered all season ticket holders and Nittany Lion club memebers an incentive to donate their required "gift" money by November 1 instead of February.. we got additional points, which (based on giving levels) count towards the opportunities to purchase more tickets, better parking, attend events, etc etc.. seems like they wanted our cash before the #### hit the fan.

coincedence?? I think not..

 

[CrossEyed]

Penn State bars accused ex-coach from campus

Sunday, November 06, 2011

By Genaro C. Armas and Mark Scolforo, The Associated Press

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State says it is barring from campus a former football coach accused of sexually assaulting eight boys, and it is also paying legal costs for two school officials charged with perjury and failing to alert police about what they knew in the case.

Prosecutors say retired defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually abused eight boys over 15 years.

Athletic director Tim Curley and school administrator Gary Schultz are accused of failing to alert police -- as required by law -- after a witness told them he saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a practice facility shower.

University spokeswoman Lisa Powers says the allegations against Curley and Schultz concern how they fulfilled their responsibilities as employees, so Penn State is paying for their counsel.

Lawyers for all three men say they're innocent.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11310/1188010-100.stm#ixzz1cx6gppPf

Good to know some of my tax dollars are being used to defend these monsters.

 

[CrossEyed]

Why didn't anyone help?Updated Nov 6, 2011 1:28 PM ETThe story of each “Victim’’ as the grand jury report lists them, starts so unexpectedly, so innocently, so naively. And it ends so horrifically, so painfully, so frighteningly. And you can’t stop it.Eight victims, according to the grand jury findings of fact. Eight horror stories of allegations surrounding former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.Like Victim 2. A Penn State graduate assistant coach shows up at the football locker room unexpectedly, and hears slapping noises from the shower. Here’s what the report said:“As the graduate assistant put the sneakers in his locker, he looked into the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky.’’The assistant fled in fear and confusion. Much the same way a janitor fled after allegedly witnessing Sandusky engaged in a sexual act in the showers with a “young boy” — Victim 8, later described in the report as being “between the ages of 11 and 13.”They fled? They didn’t help the boys? They didn’t call the police?To read this report is to be sickened, but also to wonder why no one did anything to help.And while the graduate assistant and janitor don’t get a pass, they were reacting to an emotional and horrifying scene.Joe Paterno was not. Penn State athletic director Tim Curley was not. Penn State’s senior VP of finances and business Gary Schultz was not. Penn State president Graham Spanier was not.They were acting, if the grand jury is right, in the most cool, calculating, self-preserving way. They still are acting that way, bureaucratically. Curley and Schultz were charged with perjury and failure to report for allegedly failing to alert police when they learned of the alleged facts pertaining to Victim 2 in a meeting with the graduate assistant.According to the report, no one even asked the name of some of these boys.If the report is right, Paterno, leader of men for the past half century, simply called his athletic director and passed on the information of the rape his graduate assistant described to him; like telling your boss on a co-worker who is stealing staples from the supply closet.No, Paterno, and the other school officials, did nothing to help the boys, or to help any other boys in the future.They actually told Sandusky that he couldn’t keep bringing boys from his charity onto the Penn State campus, into the football facilities, according to the grand jury findings.Not that they told him to stop doing to those boys what is alleged.Just stop doing it here.If that claim is true, Paterno needs to resign right now, though he is not charged with any crime. And yes, he reported it to his boss. But it’s fair to expect more from him.What is alleged is a crime that thrives in the dark, when people are looking the other way. It is a crime with the most vulnerable and defenseless victims. So any time someone knows anything, or even suspects, it demands someone with the courage to speak up.Or boys keep getting hurt. With no one calling the police, Penn State football marched on. And so did Sandusky for more than nine years, dealing with young, needy boys for most of them.They just let him.Look, if what is alleged is true, it’s important that we all see what’s happening here. A guy starts a charity to help disadvantaged boys. The guy is a football coach at a program that has been hailed as one of the few doing good things for young men, helping them to grow in the right way. They play in a town people call Happy Valley.There is no such thing as Happy Valley.But to protect it, no one did anything. To protect a myth. To protect a football program. We’ve got to stop treating football as a religion.Seven counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse. That’s what Sandusky was charged with Saturday morning when he was arrested. Also, eight counts of corruption of minors, eight counts of endangering the welfare of a child, seven counts of indecent assault and 10 other counts.This should be personal to all of us, whether we have children or not.For the past several weeks, I have taken my 12-year-old son out to play basketball nearly every day. Seventh-grade hoops tryouts are Monday, and this is a crash course for a super tall, super athletic kid who hasn’t played much basketball before, but suddenly wants to now.You know what he said to me Saturday as we walked off the court? “If I don’t make the team, can we keep doing this?’’He is the same age as some of these boys in the Sandusky scandal. The grand jury report talks about boys hiding in the closet.It is simple trust. That might be the most important thing our kids can feel.And while I’m railing on Sandusky and Paterno and officials here, our thoughts need to be on those boys right now. They looked up to Sandusky. They trusted him. They are defenseless. They needed help, and Sandusky was the one to provide it.The charity he founded was called The Second Mile. And, according to the grand jury, it was “initially devoted to helping troubled young boys.“It was within The Second Mile program that Sandusky found his alleged victims. . . . It grew into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.’’Its mission? “Help children who need additional support and would benefit from positive human interaction.’’Twelve-year-old boys today are a lot stronger and smarter than my generation was at 12. They have seen more. But they are still children. They are still fighting so many of the same old emotional uncertainties, as their minds and bodies start working their way into adulthood. They are not equipped to handle it all.We send them off to see coaches and teachers for guitar lessons, tennis lessons, theater club.Paterno has spent 50 years pushing an image of righteousness. If he is really about more than just football, if all these years really meant something, then Paterno would have done more than just pass the reports on to his boss and wash his hands.It was not just football players counting on him. Victims 1 through 8 were, too.

 

[Premier]

How do you see something like that going on...actually witness it...and not kill that guy? At the very least, stop it? That is absolutely unbelievable.

 

[Sconch]

Penn State bars accused ex-coach from campus

Sunday, November 06, 2011

By Genaro C. Armas and Mark Scolforo, The Associated Press

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State says it is barring from campus a former football coach accused of sexually assaulting eight boys, and it is also paying legal costs for two school officials charged with perjury and failing to alert police about what they knew in the case.

Prosecutors say retired defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually abused eight boys over 15 years.

Athletic director Tim Curley and school administrator Gary Schultz are accused of failing to alert police -- as required by law -- after a witness told them he saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a practice facility shower.

University spokeswoman Lisa Powers says the allegations against Curley and Schultz concern how they fulfilled their responsibilities as employees, so Penn State is paying for their counsel.

Lawyers for all three men say they're innocent.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11310/1188010-100.stm#ixzz1cx6gppPf

Good to know some of my tax dollars are being used to defend these monsters.

Really? Does the phrase "due process" ring a bell?

 

[CrossEyed]

Penn State bars accused ex-coach from campus

Sunday, November 06, 2011

By Genaro C. Armas and Mark Scolforo, The Associated Press

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State says it is barring from campus a former football coach accused of sexually assaulting eight boys, and it is also paying legal costs for two school officials charged with perjury and failing to alert police about what they knew in the case.

Prosecutors say retired defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually abused eight boys over 15 years.

Athletic director Tim Curley and school administrator Gary Schultz are accused of failing to alert police -- as required by law -- after a witness told them he saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a practice facility shower.

University spokeswoman Lisa Powers says the allegations against Curley and Schultz concern how they fulfilled their responsibilities as employees, so Penn State is paying for their counsel.

Lawyers for all three men say they're innocent.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11310/1188010-100.stm#ixzz1cx6gppPf

Good to know some of my tax dollars are being used to defend these monsters.

Really? Does the phrase "due process" ring a bell?

Did I say that they didn't deserve their day in court? But why shouldn't they have to pay for their own defense?

 

[Joe Summer]

Good to know some of my tax dollars are being used to defend these monsters.

Really? Does the phrase "due process" ring a bell?

They can get their due process without the taxpayers paying for their defense.

 

[Sconch]

Good to know some of my tax dollars are being used to defend these monsters.

Really? Does the phrase "due process" ring a bell?

They can get their due process without the taxpayers paying for their defense.

Does this apply to all people accused of a crime or just these guys?

 

[Sconch]

Penn State bars accused ex-coach from campus

Sunday, November 06, 2011

By Genaro C. Armas and Mark Scolforo, The Associated Press

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State says it is barring from campus a former football coach accused of sexually assaulting eight boys, and it is also paying legal costs for two school officials charged with perjury and failing to alert police about what they knew in the case.

Prosecutors say retired defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually abused eight boys over 15 years.

Athletic director Tim Curley and school administrator Gary Schultz are accused of failing to alert police -- as required by law -- after a witness told them he saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a practice facility shower.

University spokeswoman Lisa Powers says the allegations against Curley and Schultz concern how they fulfilled their responsibilities as employees, so Penn State is paying for their counsel.

Lawyers for all three men say they're innocent.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11310/1188010-100.stm#ixzz1cx6gppPf

Good to know some of my tax dollars are being used to defend these monsters.

Really? Does the phrase "due process" ring a bell?

Did I say that they didn't deserve their day in court? But why shouldn't they have to pay for their own defense?

OK, I had to go back and reread that. Not sure I read it right the first time. Could it be that it is part of their contract or something union-wise that gives them legal counsel?

 

[CrossEyed]

Good to know some of my tax dollars are being used to defend these monsters.

Really? Does the phrase "due process" ring a bell?

They can get their due process without the taxpayers paying for their defense.

Does this apply to all people accused of a crime or just these guys?

So are these guys being represented by a public defender, like everyone else who doesn't pay their own way?

 

[Christo]

how exactly does Joe testify against the guy if he knew what the guy was doing and did nothing about it? Trying to save himself?

The real question is, how does his testimony help the prosecution. He can't testify about what anyone told him other than Sandusky since it's hearsay. And what little I've seen says Sandusky has denied the allegations.

 

[Chase Stuart]

how exactly does Joe testify against the guy if he knew what the guy was doing and did nothing about it? Trying to save himself?

Don't really have a choice when you're asked to testify.

 

[Christo]

Penn State bars accused ex-coach from campus

Sunday, November 06, 2011

By Genaro C. Armas and Mark Scolforo, The Associated Press

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State says it is barring from campus a former football coach accused of sexually assaulting eight boys, and it is also paying legal costs for two school officials charged with perjury and failing to alert police about what they knew in the case.

Prosecutors say retired defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually abused eight boys over 15 years.

Athletic director Tim Curley and school administrator Gary Schultz are accused of failing to alert police -- as required by law -- after a witness told them he saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a practice facility shower.

University spokeswoman Lisa Powers says the allegations against Curley and Schultz concern how they fulfilled their responsibilities as employees, so Penn State is paying for their counsel.

Lawyers for all three men say they're innocent.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11310/1188010-100.stm#ixzz1cx6gppPf

Good to know some of my tax dollars are being used to defend these monsters.

Really? Does the phrase "due process" ring a bell?

Did I say that they didn't deserve their day in court? But why shouldn't they have to pay for their own defense?

However heinous, their actions were in their capacity as school employees.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Penn State bars accused ex-coach from campus

Sunday, November 06, 2011

By Genaro C. Armas and Mark Scolforo, The Associated Press

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State says it is barring from campus a former football coach accused of sexually assaulting eight boys, and it is also paying legal costs for two school officials charged with perjury and failing to alert police about what they knew in the case.

Prosecutors say retired defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually abused eight boys over 15 years.

Athletic director Tim Curley and school administrator Gary Schultz are accused of failing to alert police -- as required by law -- after a witness told them he saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a practice facility shower.

University spokeswoman Lisa Powers says the allegations against Curley and Schultz concern how they fulfilled their responsibilities as employees, so Penn State is paying for their counsel.

Lawyers for all three men say they're innocent.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11310/1188010-100.stm#ixzz1cx6gppPf

Good to know some of my tax dollars are being used to defend these monsters.

Really? Does the phrase "due process" ring a bell?

Did I say that they didn't deserve their day in court? But why shouldn't they have to pay for their own defense?

Of all the the things to be disgusted about, this is the least of them.Standard in all executive contracts to have the employer pay their legal fees. Every AD in the country has this in their contract.

 

[Chase Stuart]

how exactly does Joe testify against the guy if he knew what the guy was doing and did nothing about it? Trying to save himself?

The real question is, how does his testimony help the prosecution. He can't testify about what anyone told him other than Sandusky since it's hearsay. And what little I've seen says Sandusky has denied the allegations.

Perhaps he'll be testifying against Curley as well? Seems like he'd be more useful there.

 

[Joe Summer]

Good to know some of my tax dollars are being used to defend these monsters.

Really? Does the phrase "due process" ring a bell?

They can get their due process without the taxpayers paying for their defense.

Does this apply to all people accused of a crime or just these guys?

It should apply to anyone who works for a government agency, abuses their authority, takes advantage of that agency, and then expects that same agency to pay for their legal bills.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I'm in shock so many people are cool with raping boys. In ####### shock.

There are a lot of people in here flogging strawmen, but this one is the most egregious. Every PSU fan, myself included, has been disgusted and outraged. Nothing else.

 

[Joe Summer]

Standard in all executive contracts to have the employer pay their legal fees. Every AD in the country has this in their contract.

True, but I bet there are all sorts of loopholes that allow the employer to withhold legal assistance if certain rules are broken. "Using University Resources To Cover Up A Felony" just might be one of them.