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Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (1 Viewer)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/sports/ncaafootball/aftermath-of-1998-sandusky-investigation-raises-additional-questions.html?_r=1

In 1998, the Penn State campus police and local law enforcement authorities investigated an allegation that Jerry Sandusky, then a prominent coach with the universitys football team, had engaged in inappropriate and perhaps sexual conduct with a boy in the football facilitys showers.

A lengthy police report was generated, state prosecutors said. The boy was interviewed. A second potential victim was identified. Child welfare authorities were brought in. Sandusky confessed to showering with one or both of the children. The local district attorney was given material to consider prosecution.

In the end, no prosecution was undertaken. The child welfare agency did not take action. And, according to prosecutors, the commander of the universitys campus police force told his detective, Ronald Schreffler, to close the case.
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It was investigated in 1998. The DA didn't press charges, what else did all you holy rollers expect JoePa to do?

JoePa is being unjustly railroaded here, and it's pretty sad actually. I know it's sad that a child got sodomized, but go after the right person.

 
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'Phenix said:
%26%2339%3BJoe Summer said:
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%2526%252339%253BJoe Summer said:
%2526%252339%253BPhenix%2526%252339%253B said:
the facts are joe reported the incident to his superiors and he believed they handled it.
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If he believed they handled it, why did he allow Sandusky to continue to bring his victims to closed practices and bowl games?
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maybe he believes they found no evidence?
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If that's the case, then Joe must believe that Mike McQueary lied to his face.Now, why would Joe Paterno hire someone who lied to his face?
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have you hired people who haved lied to you? i have and thats after a lifetime backgorund check drug test polygraph and family background check. in politics we can find out anything. yet people still lie, so yes.
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You and I are not Joe Paterno. Joe Paterno preached a higher ethical standard. Joe Paterno would never hire someone after that person was caught LYING to his face.And yet, that's exactly what you're proposing here.Sorry, but your theory just doesn't hold up.If Joe thinks McQueary was lying, why would he promote him to assistant coach and trust him as recruiting coordinator for the past 7 years?
 
I have to say before i go to bed, i actually have closing arguments in a 4 year age gap rape case and its why i checked out this thread.

but many peoples opinion in this story are based of personal feelings and emotions including my own. it will be really hard to find an objective person who has no feelings towards any one side, i am trying to be that person. i hope people remember sanducky is the moster not paterno. his ignorance to the situation is not criminal nor morally wrong if he really was ignorant as i believe he was. trust me folks if it comes out he witnessed it with his own eyes i will be the first to lash into him as i am in a way defending paterno to that fact that he did not know as much as the media believes.

i was hoping my experiences of reading over 12000 indictemnts would help people understand that joe really did not know that much. we cant assume here in america, if facts are not substantiated.

good night all this was fun and you guys helped me with my closing its why i was up late, for all of you who care about child preds getting put away im pretty sure i got this guy tomorrow i have dna and 6 witnesses to the event but the victim is shaky so the jury is leary.

 
Espn is a joke. This whole thing has turned into a media frenzy. They are mad saturday wont be what they hoped now.

But seriously, the amount of "outrage" focused on Paterno is wholely disproportionate than it has been towards the actual perpetrator, the coward who witnessed the act whose reaction was to do nothing and call daddy, and the athletic director (who still has a job apparently as does mcqueary) that was supposed to investigate and was the legal madatory reporter who did nothing. So what if the ad and sandusky were charged. All that means is that they were clearly more culpable, yet we focus on the messanger because he has the name recognition.

 
Man, those idiot kids are going to be incredibly embarrassed of their reactions some day. At least they will be if they have any decency in them.

If those morons are so disgusted by Penn State's decisions, they should immediately un-enroll. But they won't because they're cowards and selfish jerks that care more about their football team than they do te reputation of their academic institution or the victims.

 
'shredhead said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/sports/ncaafootball/aftermath-of-1998-sandusky-investigation-raises-additional-questions.html?_r=1

In 1998, the Penn State campus police and local law enforcement authorities investigated an allegation that Jerry Sandusky, then a prominent coach with the university’s football team, had engaged in inappropriate and perhaps sexual conduct with a boy in the football facility’s showers. A lengthy police report was generated, state prosecutors said. The boy was interviewed. A second potential victim was identified. Child welfare authorities were brought in. Sandusky confessed to showering with one or both of the children. The local district attorney was given material to consider prosecution. In the end, no prosecution was undertaken. The child welfare agency did not take action. And, according to prosecutors, the commander of the university’s campus police force told his detective, Ronald Schreffler, to close the case.
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It was investigated in 1998. The DA didn't press charges, what else did all you holy rollers expect JoePa to do?JoePa is being unjustly railroaded here, and it's pretty sad actually. I know it's sad that a child got sodomized, but go after the right person.
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you need certain facts to present themself to get an indictment in this kind of case. that did not happen at the time, shockingly.so that is also what leaves me to believe that many facts were not out then, and why joe did not know that much.just my 20 year opinion of dealing with sexual monsters and these kinds of cases.
 
Seriously, whoever runs ESPN should be fired over this. For all of the flack that they get for being the TMZ of sports, the one time the fans actually want them to be the TMZ of sports; they blow it!

 
Hey Hairy Snowman, please reread the indictment here:

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2011/1107/espn_e_Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

You keep getting everything wrong in it. It says nowhere that the Assistant Coach says he gave Paterno a watered down version of events. He actually says he told both the President and Paterno all the details that he saw. It's Paterno and the President who say he gave them watered down versions, and at least in the case of the President, the grand jury thought he was lying.

The victim the assistant coach saw was never identified, so there was no mother to call the police, as you stated earlier. You are confusing that victim with another.

Nor did i see where any mother was asked to drop the charges, as you state. Maybe you got that from somewhere else. The police department in several cases either failed to follow up or outright told the officers involved to stop investigating, which goes to how wired the town was.

 
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'Mario Kart said:
'Joe Summer said:
'Mario%20Kart said:
%26%2339%3BJoe Summer said:
Why does it matter how much he knew? He admits that McQueary told him about sexual activity with a boy. Isn't that enough for you?
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where is the outrage for the guy who actually saw what went on? Paterno was told, he didn't see it, he didn't witness it, he wasn't there. Where is the outrage directed at the actual witness of the event?
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Plenty of outrage over McQueary in this thread. You just choose not to read it. It's also ironic and hypocritical of you to defend Paterno but not McQueary.
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I'm not defending the actions/Inactions of either. I don't get the outrage and disdain for Paterno and then the same goes unsaid for the other guy. There may be some disdain for the actual witness but it does not show in this thread. IMO, there should be more since he is the actual witness, made a phone call to his dad and decided to involve Paterno. If he makes a phone call that night without going to Paterno the next day, this does not happen (more than likely). And, to this point, that guy still has his job and has not been called out nearly as much as Paterno. Weird things are happening at the Circle K.
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There's been A LOT of this in this thread.
 
Tom Rinaldi is categorically terrible. He should be embarrassed of this reporting effort, he's trying to get an Emmy with no interviews, no video and no information. ESPN could have just left a stationary camera on a balcony nearby and got better reporting.

 
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
Espn is a joke. This whole thing has turned into a media frenzy. They are mad saturday wont be what they hoped now. But seriously, the amount of "outrage" focused on Paterno is wholely disproportionate than it has been towards the actual perpetrator, the coward who witnessed the act whose reaction was to do nothing and call daddy, and the athletic director (who still has a job apparently as does mcqueary) that was supposed to investigate and was the legal madatory reporter who did nothing. So what if the ad and sandusky were charged. All that means is that they were clearly more culpable, yet we focus on the messanger because he has the name recognition.
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it wasn't just that incident Leeroy. He was caught in football facilities in 1998 and 2000 also. This was the third time. That makes it about the program, the roof it kept happening under, which is represented by Paterno. The reason Paterno is the focus is because he embodies the program, we can all agree on that. I think it is totally appropriate. McQueary was just a foot soldier. Paterno was the emperor.
 
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
Happy now? Perhaps at this point we can finally focus on the monster who actually molested and took advantage of these kids.
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And do what? It' hands down, 1000% unanimous that the "man" is living scum and most want him to get what he gave once he gets to prison. However, JP and others allowed this subhuman to continue doing it and they're extremely culpable for all the proceeding victims. He's also not a n ultrafamous pillar of a major college, so obviously the spotlight on this living legend is going to eclipse everyone else.
 
'Doctor Detroit said:
Tom Rinaldi is categorically terrible. He should be embarrassed of this reporting effort, he's trying to get an Emmy with no interviews, no video and no information. ESPN could have just left a stationary camera on a balcony nearby and got better reporting.
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"we just want to show you a contrast to the riots"
 
'Mario Kart said:
'Joe Summer said:
'Mario%20Kart said:
%26%2339%3BJoe Summer said:
Why does it matter how much he knew? He admits that McQueary told him about sexual activity with a boy. Isn't that enough for you?
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where is the outrage for the guy who actually saw what went on? Paterno was told, he didn't see it, he didn't witness it, he wasn't there. Where is the outrage directed at the actual witness of the event?
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Plenty of outrage over McQueary in this thread. You just choose not to read it. It's also ironic and hypocritical of you to defend Paterno but not McQueary.
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I'm not defending the actions/Inactions of either. I don't get the outrage and disdain for Paterno and then the same goes unsaid for the other guy. There may be some disdain for the actual witness but it does not show in this thread. IMO, there should be more since he is the actual witness, made a phone call to his dad and decided to involve Paterno. If he makes a phone call that night without going to Paterno the next day, this does not happen (more than likely). And, to this point, that guy still has his job and has not been called out nearly as much as Paterno. Weird things are happening at the Circle K.
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'CrossEyed said:
The more I've thought about it, Mike McQueary is as big a coward as they come.

This guy witnessed Sandusky raping a 10 year old boy in the shower. OK, I get that initially there may have just been so much shock that he didn't know what to do. I'm willing to give the guy a pass on not breaking it up on the spot. But after he reported it and nothing was done, how do you just act like you never saw what you saw? How do you continue to come to work every day in that facility knowing the guy that you personally watched rape a boy not only still has an office there and "emeritus" status, but that he continues to work with these Second Mile boys and continues to bring them to practice and hold overnight camps? How do you sleep at night? How do you live with yourself? How do you not say to yourself, "This is wrong, and if nobody else is going to do anything about it, I am, consequences be damned."?

Gutless coward.
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'shredhead said:
It was investigated in 1998. The DA didn't press charges, what else did all you holy rollers expect JoePa to do?JoePa is being unjustly railroaded here, and it's pretty sad actually. I know it's sad that a child got sodomized, but go after the right person.
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I don't blame Joe for anything regarding the 1998 incident. There wasn't enough evidence in that case, and Sandusky was able to fool everyone by calling it a misunderstanding.However, I do hold Joe partly responsible for mishandling the 2002 incident. He was given an eyewitness account of a rape. (He admits this in his grand jury testimony, by the way.)So think about that for a moment. He was told about a boy being raped. And he decided NOT to call the police. Even if he didn't believe McQueary's story, he still had a moral obligation to pick up the phone and dial 911. He just did. With great power comes great responsibility. Someone in Joe Pa's position owes it to that little boy to err on the side of caution. And he completely failed to come through.One phone call. One stinking phone call. 30 seconds of his time. And no one would be criticizing him right now. And he'd still have his job!But he chose to be a coward instead.
 
'jackdubl said:
Hey Hairy Snowman, please reread the indictment here: http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2011/1107/espn_e_Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdfYou keep getting everything wrong in it. It says nowhere that the Assistant Coach says he gave Paterno a watered down version of events. He actually says he told both the President and Paterno all the details that he saw. It's Paterno and the President who say he gave them watered down versions, and at least in the case of the President, the grand jury thought he was lying.The victim the assistant coach saw was never identified, so there was no mother to call the police, as you stated earlier. You are confusing that victim with another.Nor did i see where any mother was asked to drop the charges, as you state. Maybe you got that from somewhere else. The police department in several cases either failed to follow up or outright told the officers involved to stop investigating, which goes to how wired the town was.
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The testimonies of Paterno and the Grad Student are in a different document regarding Victim 2, who was never identified. They are both consistent. I will look for a pdf I can publish. You can't access the document I am looking at. And I was replying to an earlier post which said that the mother had called the police but was told to drop charges under Victim 1. I may have misunderstood the Police stopping investigating with dropping the charges.Edit to add: I published the same link earlier in the thread.
 
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'Sigmund Bloom said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
Happy now? Perhaps at this point we can finally focus on the monster who actually molested and took advantage of these kids.
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the monster never could have done it without the prestige and honor of being a PSU football legend and all that afforded him. He was caught THREE times in PSU football facilities and yet he was allowed to keep an office there, retain emeritus status and enjoy all of the benefits that came along with that, including running a charity that he appeared to have used as the primary means of targeting new victims! Even if no charges could have stuck, the university could have come forward with what they knew (THREE TIMES IN THEIR BUILDING!!) and publicly shamed him, ending his access to children and effectively warning everyone of exactly what they had to know he was. He brought one of the victims to the Outback Bowl as part of the team travelling party AFTER the first allegation! AFTER!This is about so much more than Sandusky. He never becomes the serial child rapist he is today without the football program and university keeping what they knew in house. They were the ones with the power to stop him and they chose not to, in fact, all they could do to is tell him not to bring children around the facilities, which is basically an admission that they knew what he was doing. And yet there are still reports of him bringing kids around the PSU football program after that, the third time he was caught raping or attempting to rape a child in their building. No, we're going to keep focusing on Penn State and the Penn State football program.
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What information are you basing this on? The 98 investigation that brought no charges and a reprimand not to shower with kids? What the janitors saw but never reported to anybody whatsoever? The mistake really is at the foot of the AD after the 2002 incident because Joe actually reported up the chain what a wirness told him and the AD failed to investigate or contact the police as required by law. Should Joe have sat and called the police with Mcqueary that saturday afternoon? Of course. But truly the AD personally made the most egregious error and decision and despite his charges nobody is talking about him and he has been allowed to stay out of the spotlight and go on voluntary leave of absense. Which is horse####.
 
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
Espn is a joke. This whole thing has turned into a media frenzy. They are mad saturday wont be what they hoped now. But seriously, the amount of "outrage" focused on Paterno is wholely disproportionate than it has been towards the actual perpetrator, the coward who witnessed the act whose reaction was to do nothing and call daddy, and the athletic director (who still has a job apparently as does mcqueary) that was supposed to investigate and was the legal madatory reporter who did nothing. So what if the ad and sandusky were charged. All that means is that they were clearly more culpable, yet we focus on the messanger because he has the name recognition.
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He's not the messenger, he was an enabler. It's proportionally different because Joe's rep is a million times bigger than everyone else's put together.
 
'CrossEyed said:
'Kenny Powers said:
You out of towners should listen to the local Pittsburgh station that has live coverage/conversation for the next hour and a half. Much better than ESPN

My link
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:goodposting: I've only listened to Mueller a couple times before tonight, but I think I'll be listening a lot more in the future. Guy gets it.
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He's the best host on The Fan, IMO (and I thought this long before this week)...very unbiased, doesnt listen to the masses, and keeps his show very interesting. Since he's latenight, he has much more wiggle room than the morning show etc and, to me, takes full advantage of it and really speaks his mind.
 
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