When the Paterno crew sets up his first interview, I don't know if there are enough stipulations they can put in regarding the interview that would prevent JoePa from making an absolute fool of himself.I like when he said "alright guys .... And you know when i say guys i mean the girls too ..."My favorite bit from joes front stoop this evening. All delivered with that foolish grin of his. "…hey look, get a good nights sleep. Alright, study. Alright. We still got things to do. Alright. I'm out of it maybe now, that phone call put me out of it(accompanied by a chuckle) but we'll go from here…"Joe has been mostly a figurehead not involved on the day to day stuff for almost 10 years.
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Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (1 Viewer)
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belljr
Footballguy
No way McCreary will at the game or on the team. He probably just isn't big enough to announce, oh we also let go the WR coach. Thye have to let him go.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
We've been discussing it at this Footballguys Forum (Now on page 53)
IMO... So, what do you suppose Paterno said to Sandusky on their first meeting after the first alleged rape? "Got that young child molestation thing under control Jerry?" Do you suppose JoePa would allow his grandchildren to spend the weekend with Mr. Sandusky? Of course not. He's a pedophile. Paterno was helping his friend from getting in trouble at the expense of 8+ children. We sent Michael Vick away for dog fighting - what is the penalty for allowing children (special needs children at that) to be raped under the reign as head football coach? And Penn State students are standing behind him??? Check your morals kids - there's no gray area here.
IMO... So, what do you suppose Paterno said to Sandusky on their first meeting after the first alleged rape? "Got that young child molestation thing under control Jerry?" Do you suppose JoePa would allow his grandchildren to spend the weekend with Mr. Sandusky? Of course not. He's a pedophile. Paterno was helping his friend from getting in trouble at the expense of 8+ children. We sent Michael Vick away for dog fighting - what is the penalty for allowing children (special needs children at that) to be raped under the reign as head football coach? And Penn State students are standing behind him??? Check your morals kids - there's no gray area here.
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HellToupee
Footballguy
anyone know what time the press conference is today?
comfortably numb
Footballguy
:sigh:Aaron, Should you tell him or shall I?
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Ned
Footballguy
AmosMoses
Footballguy
She had to have known. But women are pragmatic. They'll even tolerate their husband being a pederast if it means she and her children are provided with a good living.
apalmer
Footballguy
Once you get past 50 pages, it's pretty tough for newcomers to catch up.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Ugh. Woke up to a facebook post this morning from a "friend" that is a terrible teacher who tries to do the bare minimum and is always posting the dumbest pro-union stuff out there.
She thinks it's outrageous that Paterno got fired and that Penn State sent a chilling message to all educators that you can get fired for following the law and that what they did was not right.
It was all I could do not to verbally punch her.
She thinks it's outrageous that Paterno got fired and that Penn State sent a chilling message to all educators that you can get fired for following the law and that what they did was not right.
It was all I could do not to verbally punch her.
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belljr
Footballguy
If this was about stealing a computer or something I partially agree but not a rape of a child. Some things are worth breaking the chain.
Brock Middlebrook
Footballguy
Nobody's defending SanduskyNobody's defending McQuearyPeople defending Paterno are generating the debate'Mario Kart said:
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
Joepa doesnt have the balls to do an open press conference.
I wonder if he will show up to the game on Sat?
I wonder if he will show up to the game on Sat?
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Todd Andrews
Footballguy
When they go eye for an eye on him I will be satisfied. Paterno, McQuerary, the AD, all of them, belong in jail.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
How you can protest for Joe Pa at this point blows my mind, they should have been tearing his house down with their bare hands instead
comfortably numb
Footballguy
I'm going to give all these kids on TV last night a pass for now.
They are in the moment, their icon was just kicked off his pedestal and they feel it was done unjustly.
But coming into work, and hearing a chick on the radio defending how Paterno is being treated unfairly because he did so much good is going to get infuriating soon.
I get it, he did a lot of good for the community.
You know who also did a lot of good for the community?
Pablo Escobar, Al Capone...hey Jerry Sandusky I am sure did a lot of good.
But I have to question Paterno's judgement as a human being.
If you have loved Paterno all your life, I get not wanting to trash him, but I have no problem doing so.
He is just another man to me.
He is still listed as an Honorary Board Member at the Second Mile.
If you are involved with a charity which who was created by a monster who you know rapes children, and this charity exposed children to Sandusky, and you never say anything or distance yourself from the charity?
You HIRE a woman's basketball coach who in her 27 years is an openly gay homo phobe?
Upon realizing that she is a homo phobe, and saying things like:
One of the first things Penn State coach Rene Portland brings up during a recruiting visit with a prospective player and her parents is lesbian activity. "I will not have it in my program," Portland said. "I bring it up and the kids are so relieved and the parents are so relieved. But they would probably go without asking the question otherwise, which is really dumb."
— The Chicago Sun-Times, June 16, 1986[
She eventually resigned in 2007 amid allegations and a lawsuit that she kicked a girl off the team who she perceived to be gay.
Paterno does nothing in his power to get someone like this off his campus?
Someone he hired?
So i bring this up not to simply trash him, but to bring to question his character and judgement. As many people seem to say how great and honorable the man was...but he allowed a woman who discriminated against gays, and ran her historic program as such...openly. He allows a man who openly likes to rape young children.
Spaniar was there for all of this too...he will be next to fall hard.
I really, really hope many people get burned for this crap.
I think the number of people who have known about this could be in the hundreds.
Board of Trustees
PSU Staff
PSU football members/staff
Admins
Police, who somehow did crap to get this guy on a Pedophile list
People at the Second Mile, who knew of his conduct with children for 10 years and did nothing!
Joe is not a scapegoat here, he is a man that has shown a severe pattern of not standing up for what is right.
-Woman discriminating against gay/lesbian
-Coach porking children
all he needs is being a supporter of an open racist for the hat trick!
It makes me wonder if he allowed to stand for this stuff, how does he really feel about these issues?
They are in the moment, their icon was just kicked off his pedestal and they feel it was done unjustly.
But coming into work, and hearing a chick on the radio defending how Paterno is being treated unfairly because he did so much good is going to get infuriating soon.
I get it, he did a lot of good for the community.
You know who also did a lot of good for the community?
Pablo Escobar, Al Capone...hey Jerry Sandusky I am sure did a lot of good.
But I have to question Paterno's judgement as a human being.
If you have loved Paterno all your life, I get not wanting to trash him, but I have no problem doing so.
He is just another man to me.
He is still listed as an Honorary Board Member at the Second Mile.
If you are involved with a charity which who was created by a monster who you know rapes children, and this charity exposed children to Sandusky, and you never say anything or distance yourself from the charity?
You HIRE a woman's basketball coach who in her 27 years is an openly gay homo phobe?
Upon realizing that she is a homo phobe, and saying things like:
One of the first things Penn State coach Rene Portland brings up during a recruiting visit with a prospective player and her parents is lesbian activity. "I will not have it in my program," Portland said. "I bring it up and the kids are so relieved and the parents are so relieved. But they would probably go without asking the question otherwise, which is really dumb."
— The Chicago Sun-Times, June 16, 1986[
She eventually resigned in 2007 amid allegations and a lawsuit that she kicked a girl off the team who she perceived to be gay.
Paterno does nothing in his power to get someone like this off his campus?
Someone he hired?
So i bring this up not to simply trash him, but to bring to question his character and judgement. As many people seem to say how great and honorable the man was...but he allowed a woman who discriminated against gays, and ran her historic program as such...openly. He allows a man who openly likes to rape young children.
Spaniar was there for all of this too...he will be next to fall hard.
I really, really hope many people get burned for this crap.
I think the number of people who have known about this could be in the hundreds.
Board of Trustees
PSU Staff
PSU football members/staff
Admins
Police, who somehow did crap to get this guy on a Pedophile list
People at the Second Mile, who knew of his conduct with children for 10 years and did nothing!
Joe is not a scapegoat here, he is a man that has shown a severe pattern of not standing up for what is right.
-Woman discriminating against gay/lesbian
-Coach porking children
all he needs is being a supporter of an open racist for the hat trick!
It makes me wonder if he allowed to stand for this stuff, how does he really feel about these issues?
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dgreen
Footballguy
Yeah, that is getting annoying. It's completely irrelevant. The question is whether he should be employed. And I don't see how anyone can look at the situation and conclude he didn't commit a fire-able offense, regardless of all the good.
WalrusMan
Footballguy
Tearing his house down? Jesus, get a grip. He didn't rape anybody.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Let the healing begin!
pantherclub
Footballguy
This has to be frustrating for any alum of PSU. These kids are not doing you guys any favors. Its insane how out of touch they seem to be.
Phenix
Footballguy
You just compared Paterno, who did nothing legally wrong to "Nazi Soldiers"? Obviously the media has convinced you with out all the facts.Sandusky is the criminal, i love all the self righteous people making remarks as if everything was so simple.Everyone on this board has not reported something of great importance, if you say no you lose all credibility.As a lwayer and district attorney for 20 years, studies show 100% of people have not reported an illegal act that needs action to the police.its obvious people do not read total posts or respect anyones opinion, even if its and educated one from one with legal experience.maybe i'm naive to think on a message forum people would be reasonable instead everyone sayd "Joe must be fired because the media says so, even after his name is only in the report as the person who reported the incident.If just finding out everyone here on footballguys is an expert on all things I guess.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Tearing his house down? Jesus, get a grip. He didn't rape anybody.
no he just allowed it to happened repeatedly on his watchTearing his house down? Jesus, get a grip. He didn't rape anybody.
WalrusMan
Footballguy
His watch? Is he a cop or a security guard?No, he's a football coach.no he just allowed it to happened repeatedly on his watchTearing his house down? Jesus, get a grip. He didn't rape anybody.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
I am still giving the kids a pass for now...But hearing a kid at his house last night scream "Thank you for everything"I hope they will soon realize what "everything" embodies.no he just allowed it to happened repeatedly on his watchTearing his house down? Jesus, get a grip. He didn't rape anybody.
pantherclub
Footballguy
no dude he was way more than that. Dont try and kid yourselfHis watch? Is he a cop or a security guard?no he just allowed it to happened repeatedly on his watchTearing his house down? Jesus, get a grip. He didn't rape anybody.
No, he's a football coach.
whoknew
Footballguy
At first I had this thought also. Then I thought back to how I was in college. I bet 95% of those students were just out there to drink some beers and see what was going on. It was just an opportunity to be outside.
That was the first thing I thought of when reading that report. How was that situation not awkward for the other coaches when they're sitting around at breakfast and their colleague shows up with a 10 year old who spent the night in his room. I guess if you knew nothing of the previous allegations it would just seem a bit odd, but you would think JoePa, who knew about the 2002 incident at the least, would have been more than a little squeamish with that situation in front of him.
the rapes happened repeatedly in the building and sandusky paraded around his victims, took them to bowl games as part of the travelling party. read the grand jury indictment. yes. on his watch. he runs the football program and it was a key element in allowing Sandusky to become a serial child rapist.His watch? Is he a cop or a security guard?No, he's a football coach.no he just allowed it to happened repeatedly on his watchTearing his house down? Jesus, get a grip. He didn't rape anybody.
beavers
Footballguy
I've been pondering this myself ...Is it because they have no kids?Is it generational? Is it that they've been desentized by the media and don't fathom the seriousness of the situation?
I have to think they truly don't know what's in that grand jury report. If they understand what Paterno knew and allowed to continue... Well, maybe I'm just hoping that's the case.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
You're a District Attorney?'Phenix said:
comfortably numb
Footballguy
I really think this is like an OJ thing.At 1st everyone didn't want to believe he could do such a thing, so you had people holding up signs of support as OJ fled on on the freeway.As more info came out, many of those supporters flipped.You still have your nuts, and I am sure Joe will have his who feel he did no wrong
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
WRONG
B-Deep
Footballguy
As much as i think this was the right move it is not a happy event at all
And I hope joe's family and wife can help him threw this. PSU was his life, and it's now gone and not on his terms. That has to be a lot to handle.
Why the hell did they announce this last night. If you decide last night tell Joe this morning, then you have a full day of him asking people to remain calm, and you know he would. Instead they announce it late last night when the bars are full and the kids are liquored up.
And I hope joe's family and wife can help him threw this. PSU was his life, and it's now gone and not on his terms. That has to be a lot to handle.
Why the hell did they announce this last night. If you decide last night tell Joe this morning, then you have a full day of him asking people to remain calm, and you know he would. Instead they announce it late last night when the bars are full and the kids are liquored up.
B-Deep
Footballguy
Also, they have seen this man as their pillar of virtue and the face of their school, some of them have grown up idolizing him, it is hard to accept.
I think I understand the kids reaction. I don't agree with it, but I suppose if I put myself in their shoes, I might have done the same thing when I was 20 years old. I think it is a combination of youthful exuberance, us v. the world, and blind devotion to a culture. For these kids, they have probably been indoctrinated into the PSU culture from the time they were sophomores in high school. They have lived, and breathed, the notion that JoePa is God-like. They have been reminded on a daily basis all the good he has done for the college and community - which these kids have aspired to join. I think when you are that close to the situation, and are young, rebellious, and perhaps intoxicated, it is hard to digest just how badly your hero has let you down. It probably feels to them that this was a lynch-mob of the worst kind - outsiders to their community passing judgement on their hero.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Phenix, I'm all for joking around about stuff, but not this topic. So please stop fishing.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
I'm starting to understand how Joe Paterno did the bare minimum in 2002. He just doesn't get any of this. It is apparent in everything he did this week. He has no grasp for any of this. He is sorry he didn't do more because of the uproar today, not because terrible things happened as result because he doesn't get that terrible things happened other than this distraction to his preparation for Saturday. It looks to me that he has so compartmentalized his life and developed such a skewed set of priorities that he just doesn't get anything else. Nothing else gets in. This is very sad in too many ways. It is also pretty damnable!
Tiny Dancer
Footballguy
I agree with all of this. I'd also add that, to students at a campus like Penn State, football seems really really important. Most (but not all) people gain some perspective as they age and they realize there are more important things.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
It's weird that JoePa's basically dropping the "McQueary lied to me" excuse, but I haven't seen or heard of any reaction out of JoePa that would make sense from being lied to about this sort of thing. He's not acting like he was lied to. He's trying to imply it without saying it.
This "clarifying what I heard" crap isn't good enough.
Either the scumbag ******* lied to you or he didn't.
This "clarifying what I heard" crap isn't good enough.
Either the scumbag ******* lied to you or he didn't.
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I think this will become a case-study in how not to handle a crisis.
Hindsight is 20-20, but the easiest solution for the University would have been to indefinitely suspend Paterno, McQueary, and Spanier on Monday, pending an internal investigation. That would have shown decisive action by the Board, without a rush to judgement, and shown they were beginning to regain control of the University. It would have cooled the lynch mob mentality that began to build steam with each hour of inaction.
Under that scenario, when they reached the decision to fire Paterno and Spanier, it would have come across as a more measured response, rather than what feels like caving to public outcry. And, it is always better to show strength, and that you are proactive, rather than re-active, in these situations.
Hindsight is 20-20, but the easiest solution for the University would have been to indefinitely suspend Paterno, McQueary, and Spanier on Monday, pending an internal investigation. That would have shown decisive action by the Board, without a rush to judgement, and shown they were beginning to regain control of the University. It would have cooled the lynch mob mentality that began to build steam with each hour of inaction.
Under that scenario, when they reached the decision to fire Paterno and Spanier, it would have come across as a more measured response, rather than what feels like caving to public outcry. And, it is always better to show strength, and that you are proactive, rather than re-active, in these situations.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
no he just allowed it to happened repeatedly on his watchTearing his house down? Jesus, get a grip. He didn't rape anybody.
beavers
Footballguy
What bothers me is that he keeps saying "pray for the victims." If I were Christian, I'd be pissed off about this. What about praying for them and subsequently helping them 10 years ago? Stop using the name of prayer to make yourself look better.
B-Deep
Footballguy
absolutely
