I think the disconnect lies in how much of these reports are true. I don't believe that Paterno had a clue until that shower incident
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Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)
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AAABatteries
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I don't know but considering everything we do know I'm not willing to give Paterno the benefit of the doubt. I don't think he earned that. Likewise, I don't think it's fair to take the allegations at face value.
I guess I can go along with that. We don't know what was known and what wasn't. And we never will
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You can't predict how people would have responded in 1971. Maybe the press would have crucified Paterno for hiring a child molester? Maybe recruits would have decommitted? Maybe the NCAA and/or the police would have opened an investigation? Paterno had just gone 7-3 so the last thing he needed was for players to be transferring to other schools while police and NCAA investigators were poking their noses into his business.
Or maybe Paterno just thought that Sandusky was too good of a coach and didn't want to lose him.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Oh sure. Could be a number of things. My thought is that the narrative of 'old man protecting his legacy' doesn't make sense until the late 90s. So there must be something else, like 'just a terrible person' or 'thought the boys were making stuff up' or something else. Regardless, terrible tragedy if there were warnings/signs that long ago and not enough was done. Horrible.
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Footballguy
I think "middle-aged man scared of losing his job" is a narrative that describes Paterno pretty accurately c. 1971.
Ministry of Pain
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People are looking for motives...most sexual predators were sexually molested as children, be it by a family member or otherwise. That's not to make you feel a sliver of pity for these abominations but there is a pattern.
Sandy was brazen enough to start a children's charity from which he had barrels of victims to sift thru...pretty sick.
And for those that want to make it their personal crusade to smear or tarnish what they feel needs to be on JoPa legacy...do as you want but it only makes you look like you are compensating for shortchanges in your own life. This thread brought out some of the worst in folks and it was discussed on another board it got so ridiculous.
If you want to focus on this and make it all JoPa's fault, have at it but I prefer to just judge the work on the field. The perpetrator is the one who did all this and maybe people above him were blind for whatever the reasons. He had started a charity in the 70s...how many men do you know who start a charity from scratch? Not just show up at March of Dimes twice a year. I only mention it because others might have viewed him differently in 1978 say then we do in 2016 now that he has been convicted of raping little boys.
I'm fine with the outpouring of hate at PSU and Sandy and I kinda understand the JoPa cry but a the same time why would any of you want to post this many times in this thread. Just say you are adamantly against child rape, you spit on PSU/JoPa and move on. The perp is crazy and will try to use anything he can within the law to make it appear he had nothing to do with this. He will never fess up all the way to the grave, even video of him raping a boy probably wouldn't sway the perp's idea of how things unfolded.
Sandy was brazen enough to start a children's charity from which he had barrels of victims to sift thru...pretty sick.
And for those that want to make it their personal crusade to smear or tarnish what they feel needs to be on JoPa legacy...do as you want but it only makes you look like you are compensating for shortchanges in your own life. This thread brought out some of the worst in folks and it was discussed on another board it got so ridiculous.
If you want to focus on this and make it all JoPa's fault, have at it but I prefer to just judge the work on the field. The perpetrator is the one who did all this and maybe people above him were blind for whatever the reasons. He had started a charity in the 70s...how many men do you know who start a charity from scratch? Not just show up at March of Dimes twice a year. I only mention it because others might have viewed him differently in 1978 say then we do in 2016 now that he has been convicted of raping little boys.
I'm fine with the outpouring of hate at PSU and Sandy and I kinda understand the JoPa cry but a the same time why would any of you want to post this many times in this thread. Just say you are adamantly against child rape, you spit on PSU/JoPa and move on. The perp is crazy and will try to use anything he can within the law to make it appear he had nothing to do with this. He will never fess up all the way to the grave, even video of him raping a boy probably wouldn't sway the perp's idea of how things unfolded.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
If Paterno fielded one or more phone calls about kids getting molested by Sandusky and then was informed about the shower incident and never called the police, he's a POS and should have gone to prison.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
You're a teacher, MOP. If you had that information about a colleague, what would your reaction be?
AAABatteries
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hi Mr Ford, I understand and agree with you, I hadn't heard the report on CBS until a little while ago. My only concern is why wasn't this produced long before he died? Whatever the reason I hate when people are torn apart long after they are gone. If there is a smoking gun then I agree with you.
And as a teacher I did have a student report to me she was molested by a b/f of mom. I obviously reported it but she was already undergoing counseling, not sure why she wanted to volunteer it to me but i was relieved she was already in therapy.
We had another student, a boy who was rubbing himself on others and of course it turned out he was being sexually abused at home and on the story continues. I'm on your side and I hope vice versa when it comes to this.
Ministry of Pain
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Smack Tripper
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The two are inextricably linked, though.
If Joe Pa was a ...Head Librarian and the his director of childrens books was doing this, I would submit and suggest that there is no concern about a legacy at a Library, and nothing to sustain.
But in athletics, and in particular big time college athletics, there is that push.
And I think it was magnified tenfold at PSU with the myth making that Paterno "built" the school. Which to be fair, is probably very true. Not much happening in Happy Valley and when you drive there and come around a bend you see a GIANT stadium, one of the five biggest in the country.
You can't drive within 200 miles in any direction without seeing PSU bumperstickers, , flags, car magnets, sweatshirts in every gas station. Its a big cultural phenomon and its big business too.
I think that level of worship, and frankly that level of revenue, to grow the school, community, reputation, etc, is exactly what both allowed this to happen (the credbility given the second mile) and allowed it continue(no one wanting to have the least bit of a speed bump to disrupt their Saturday in the Fall and bowl trip at the end of the year).
Its why there are still Paterno apologist, which, even if thats what you think, if after all this, your first motivation is to offer a defense for a guy who hasn't shown himself really worthy of one, we see the problem and its why they should have shut that place down for a year.
Joe Summer
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/09/penn-state-settlements-covered-1971-sandusky-abuse-claim.html?intcmp=hplnws
Can you say coverup?
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Hate to bump this again, but this is a really good "take" and seeing the thread about the 1 year old that was abused made me want to share it.
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The writer is very good. Now it's on an Ohio State fan site, so some of the comments are pretty negative/biased/didn't get the point. But there are a lot of comments that are excellent.
We need to own it, do what we can to help prevent such things in the future, and stop caring what outsiders think about our opinion of a former coach. We may see gray where others see black and white, but we will not change their opinions and we need to shut up about it. And we certainly don't need to put back up the ####### statue. Why in the #### should a college football coach have a statue anyway?
For my part, I donate to RAINN, a good organization for abuse and help by subscribing to Matt's RSP (which is basically cheating).
Link
The writer is very good. Now it's on an Ohio State fan site, so some of the comments are pretty negative/biased/didn't get the point. But there are a lot of comments that are excellent.
We need to own it, do what we can to help prevent such things in the future, and stop caring what outsiders think about our opinion of a former coach. We may see gray where others see black and white, but we will not change their opinions and we need to shut up about it. And we certainly don't need to put back up the ####### statue. Why in the #### should a college football coach have a statue anyway?
For my part, I donate to RAINN, a good organization for abuse and help by subscribing to Matt's RSP (which is basically cheating).
AAABatteries
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BowieMercs
Footballguy
I hope the healing can continue with the "program apologists" finally admitting what everyone knows.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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No way that statue makes it through another year.
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Don Quixote
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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The General
Footballguy
Still waiting for that accidental death in prison.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
How delusional can you be. I'd never want to think that my spouse was capable of this but with the evidence and testimony of so many people how can she still believe him? Pretty incredible.
LAUNCH
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http://nypost.com/2017/02/13/jerry-sanduskys-son-arrested-for-child-sex-assault/
Jerry Sandusky’s son arrested for child sex assault
The adopted son of Jerry Sandusky – former Penn State University football coach convicted of child sex abuse – has been arrested and charged with sexually assaulting a child.
WTAJ reported that Jeffrey Sandusky, 41, was arraigned Monday in Bellefonte. Pennsylvania State Police launched an investigation in November 2016 after a child claiming to have gotten text messages from Sandusky, including some that requested naked photographs, according to the report.
Sandusky had been dating the child’s mother and lived in her home for about five years, WTAJ.com reports.
In August, Jerry Sandusky took the stand to deny the child molestation charges he was convicted in 2012 and said it wasn’t his idea to waive his right to testify during the sensational trial.
He’s currently serving 30 to 60 years in prison.
Jerry Sandusky’s son arrested for child sex assault
The adopted son of Jerry Sandusky – former Penn State University football coach convicted of child sex abuse – has been arrested and charged with sexually assaulting a child.
WTAJ reported that Jeffrey Sandusky, 41, was arraigned Monday in Bellefonte. Pennsylvania State Police launched an investigation in November 2016 after a child claiming to have gotten text messages from Sandusky, including some that requested naked photographs, according to the report.
Sandusky had been dating the child’s mother and lived in her home for about five years, WTAJ.com reports.
In August, Jerry Sandusky took the stand to deny the child molestation charges he was convicted in 2012 and said it wasn’t his idea to waive his right to testify during the sensational trial.
He’s currently serving 30 to 60 years in prison.
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shadyridr
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TLEF316
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Limp Ditka
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Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
A father and son both molest kids - the father is a monster, the son is a victim. Don't know what that says or what kind of point I'm trying to make, it's just weird, right?
mr. furley
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absolutely no doubt Jerry Sandusky molested his own kids
and if this poor, dumb ******* has children... guarantee he has molested them, too
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mr. furley
Footballguy
pretty much no doubt that the older Sandusky was molested as a kid, turned it on his kid, etc.
they're both monsters and victims
whoknew
Footballguy
Didn't he turn in Sandusky to Paterno and Paterno didn't do ####?
Granted he could have done more - just seems a weird person to focus on.
TLEF316
Footballguy
You find someone raping a child, you go straight to the police station. (After you remove the kid from the situation, by force if necessary) You don't go home, consult with your father, tell your boss the next morning and just assume it will be taken care of.
He's obviously not the main villain here, but he's a coward and shares blame. It would have ended that day if he hadn't been such a #####
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Quez
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I'm sure we have been through this before, but when you see a grown man screwing a kid you call the cops. You don't tell the head coach, mayor, your boss, the principal, etc. You call the f'n cops. If time goes by, and you see the guy walking around like he wasn't BF'ing a kid, then you take a bat to his head.
Quez
Footballguy
I was quoting Tlef when he said "everyone who didn't stop him when they could". Paterno is obviously responsible as well, but this dude could have stopped the situation right there & didn't. Who knows how many more victims there were post rhythmic slapping.
The General
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