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Jets vs Pats tonight-exploit/avoid (1 Viewer)

Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.

If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having

big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB

without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro

teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were

in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more

than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.

 
How do you guys think the NYJ backfield will shake out? You can run on NE. Powell saw 63% of the snaps last week and was utlized 17 times. Hes also the defacto 3rd down RB/pass catcher.
according to what?
Exactly. When was the last time you could really run on NE?
You gotta love how people just make up stats to prove their point.

The Patriots ranked 9th last season with 101.9ypg allowed on the ground and were tied for 6th last season with 10 TDs allowed. Tied for 5th in YPC allowed at 3.9ypc. They were also tied for first on big plays... they only allowed 5 plays of 20 or more yards and allowed 0 of 40 or more yards.

So yes please, since when have you been able to run on the Patriots? They're actually one of the worst RB matchups in the league... very quietly but it still holds true quiet or not.
They DVOA'd at 6 last year against the rush, according to Football Outsiders. Then again, the year before they finished 25th. I'll take my entertainment and posters any way I can get it, and SameSongNDance is pretty good, all things considered. Maybe a bit too much like a national commentator flying in for the game, having a meeting, and telling me how the Red Sox operate, but pretty good nonetheless.

 
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Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.

If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having

big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB

without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro

teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were

in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more

than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.
Please remind the class who the wonderfully talented offensive players this rookie QB is going to rely on to move the ball down the field in any capacity.

 
Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.

If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having

big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB

without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro

teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were

in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more

than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.
Please remind the class who the wonderfully talented offensive players this rookie QB is going to rely on to move the ball down the field in any capacity.
Ivory is good. Hill is good. Holmes was good. They're not a terrible team. Michael Salfino called the Jets D particularly "nasty." Look, Rex can indeed coach D. It was just back a few years ago you guys went home in the playoffs after being heavily favored against the J-E-T-S. And it was a butt whooping, IIRC.

 
Thompkins only caught 4 0f 14 targets. I think you will see Thompkins giving up snaps to Boyce or Dobson (if healthy) or both. Belichick hates turning the ball over so i got to believe he hates dropped balls and wrong routes just as much.
Spoken like someone who did not watch the game and only looked at the boxscore. Half of those targets where poorly thrown balls by Tom Brady, the other half were caught balls out of bounds

 
Why do people think the Jets don't completely suck all of a sudden?
becuase they dontgood d - Not as good as the Pats

a real offensive coordinator - But no offense

a developing qb, who can make some plays - Rookie who looked completely lost in preseason

a good scheme on both sides of the ball - No talent on either though

a pretty good defensive coordinator - with average players
Because they do
I don't think the jets are a good team and I think they lose tonight. But to say they no talent is just silly and kills your credibility.

The defensive line has a pro bowler (he'll make it this year) in Wilkerson and another potential pro bowl talent with Richardson. Cromartie was a top 5 cb last year (although he was awful on Sunday) and Milner was a top 10 talent.

Offense is obviously not in good shape, but has potential next year if Geno isn't a stiff and they can 1 or 2 playmakers. And of course, Ferguson and mangold are both multi time pro bowlers who are still in their primes.

Again, they're missing talent /experience at key spots, which is why they'll lose at least 9 games. But this is far from the worst roster in the league

 
Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.

If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having

big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB

without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro

teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were

in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more

than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.
Please remind the class who the wonderfully talented offensive players this rookie QB is going to rely on to move the ball down the field in any capacity.
Ivory is good. Hill is good. Holmes was good. They're not a terrible team. Michael Salfino called the Jets D particularly "nasty." Look, Rex can indeed coach D. It was just back a few years ago you guys went home in the playoffs after being heavily favored against the J-E-T-S. And it was a butt whooping, IIRC.
Ivory is untested on the Jets. 10 carries for 15 yards last week. Hill only has a couple dozen catches over the past two seasons, and Holmes is pouting in the corner as usual. Gino looked awful in the preseason, and had Rexy not tried to win the Snoopy Bowl, he would be a backup tonight.

Rex can coach D, I'll give you that, but they are going to be awfully tired tonight with all the turnovers and 3 & outs they'll be getting.

I'll take Brady, Ridley and the rooks tonight in an easy cover.

 
Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.

If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having

big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB

without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro

teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were

in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more

than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.
Please remind the class who the wonderfully talented offensive players this rookie QB is going to rely on to move the ball down the field in any capacity.
Ivory is good. Hill is good. Holmes was good. They're not a terrible team. Michael Salfino called the Jets D particularly "nasty." Look, Rex can indeed coach D. It was just back a few years ago you guys went home in the playoffs after being heavily favored against the J-E-T-S. And it was a butt whooping, IIRC.
Ivory is untested on the Jets. 10 carries for 15 yards last week. Hill only has a couple dozen catches over the past two seasons, and Holmes is pouting in the corner as usual. Gino looked awful in the preseason, and had Rexy not tried to win the Snoopy Bowl, he would be a backup tonight.

Rex can coach D, I'll give you that, but they are going to be awfully tired tonight with all the turnovers and 3 & outs they'll be getting.

I'll take Brady, Ridley and the rooks tonight in an easy cover.
Easy cover at 12.5? Wow.

 
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Why do people think the Jets don't completely suck all of a sudden?
becuase they dontgood d - Not as good as the Pats

a real offensive coordinator - But no offense

a developing qb, who can make some plays - Rookie who looked completely lost in preseason

a good scheme on both sides of the ball - No talent on either though

a pretty good defensive coordinator - with average players
Because they do
I don't think the jets are a good team and I think they lose tonight. But to say they no talent is just silly and kills your credibility.

The defensive line has a pro bowler (he'll make it this year) in Wilkerson and another potential pro bowl talent with Richardson. Cromartie was a top 5 cb last year (although he was awful on Sunday) and Milner was a top 10 talent.

Offense is obviously not in good shape, but has potential next year if Geno isn't a stiff and they can 1 or 2 playmakers. And of course, Ferguson and mangold are both multi time pro bowlers who are still in their primes.

Again, they're missing talent /experience at key spots, which is why they'll lose at least 9 games. But this is far from the worst roster in the league
Well, ya gotta take what I say with a grain of salt. As I mentioned here in an earlier exaggerated post, "As a Pats Fan, I hate the Jets. So there's that".

 
Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.

If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having

big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB

without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro

teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were

in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more

than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.
Please remind the class who the wonderfully talented offensive players this rookie QB is going to rely on to move the ball down the field in any capacity.
Ivory is good. Hill is good. Holmes was good. They're not a terrible team. Michael Salfino called the Jets D particularly "nasty." Look, Rex can indeed coach D. It was just back a few years ago you guys went home in the playoffs after being heavily favored against the J-E-T-S. And it was a butt whooping, IIRC.
Ivory is untested on the Jets. 10 carries for 15 yards last week. Hill only has a couple dozen catches over the past two seasons, and Holmes is pouting in the corner as usual. Gino looked awful in the preseason, and had Rexy not tried to win the Snoopy Bowl, he would be a backup tonight.

Rex can coach D, I'll give you that, but they are going to be awfully tired tonight with all the turnovers and 3 & outs they'll be getting.

I'll take Brady, Ridley and the rooks tonight in an easy cover.
Easy cover at 12.5? Wow.
It's only 12.5?

 
Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.

If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having

big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB

without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro

teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were

in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more

than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.
Please remind the class who the wonderfully talented offensive players this rookie QB is going to rely on to move the ball down the field in any capacity.
Ivory is good. Hill is good. Holmes was good. They're not a terrible team. Michael Salfino called the Jets D particularly "nasty." Look, Rex can indeed coach D. It was just back a few years ago you guys went home in the playoffs after being heavily favored against the J-E-T-S. And it was a butt whooping, IIRC.
Ivory is untested on the Jets. 10 carries for 15 yards last week. Hill only has a couple dozen catches over the past two seasons, and Holmes is pouting in the corner as usual. Gino looked awful in the preseason, and had Rexy not tried to win the Snoopy Bowl, he would be a backup tonight.

Rex can coach D, I'll give you that, but they are going to be awfully tired tonight with all the turnovers and 3 & outs they'll be getting.

I'll take Brady, Ridley and the rooks tonight in an easy cover.
Easy cover at 12.5? Wow.
It's only 12.5?
:lol:

 
I would say 2/3 of the people in here are going Pats, maybe higher...this place should clean up tonight if the Pats win and cover the 12. You guys make it sound so easy to cover this spread.

Buffalo was supposed to be a blowout last week as well...wasn't that the Patriots and Tom Brady I saw scratching and clawing their way back on the last drive to eek a FG thru and beat EJ Manuel?

I am 2nd guessing my pick, so many of you make compelling cases but logic is not at play here tonight. It's the 1st real Thursday game off a short week, last week teams were fresh. Some of these Thursday Night games can be really ugly, seem to remember that being a theme last year but perhaps I'm a confused old man.
That 23-21 game wasn't that close. Couple weird fumbles were the equalizer. I'm hardly sold on the Pats O at this early stage in the season so I'm not comfortable laying DD, but I'd caution you not to do a driveby analysis by looking at final score of Buff game and use that as your main reason to take Jets.

Really this line is more a fade of Jets O vs a decent Pats D that played well on the road vs. a better O last week and held them to 14.

 
12 points, wow that's a lot.

No Vereen, Gronk or Amendola makes this team much more conventional.

I am not sure how Ridley, Edelman + 3 rook WRs can replace all the talent.

I do like Thompkins tonight, again, look to the 3rd preseason game when Danny A was out. But Dobson and/or Boyce could do things. The question is whether the Pats will finally stop churning, if they don't well you know those points have to go somewhere.

Also, the Pats' defense; somehow teh idea of Geno Smith playing his first game at Foxborough must be really appealing to them. If anything the Pats are playing the right opponent in the right place at the right time, but it may be 14 points for the offense and 14 points for the defense tonight.

 
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I think NE is just looking to get a W and get out of dodge without any more injuries. NE in a low scoring game like 20-12 or 19-10.

 
The Jets entire offense is made up of second and third string talent. I'm not sure that Matt Millen could have assembled a starting roster worse than this one. Even the Jags and Raiders have a few playmakers. This is an ugly group.

 
The Jets entire offense is made up of second and third string talent. I'm not sure that Matt Millen could have assembled a starting roster worse than this one. Even the Jags and Raiders have a few playmakers. This is an ugly group.
The Raiders have Terrelle Pryor as their QB and Rod Streater as their top wideout; what exactly should the Jets aspire to?

 
The Jets entire offense is made up of second and third string talent. I'm not sure that Matt Millen could have assembled a starting roster worse than this one. Even the Jags and Raiders have a few playmakers. This is an ugly group.
The Raiders have Terrelle Pryor as their QB and Rod Streater as their top wideout; what exactly should the Jets aspire to?
Well, they do have McFadden, so that doubles the Jets offense.

 
The Jets entire offense is made up of second and third string talent. I'm not sure that Matt Millen could have assembled a starting roster worse than this one. Even the Jags and Raiders have a few playmakers. This is an ugly group.
The Raiders have Terrelle Pryor as their QB and Rod Streater as their top wideout; what exactly should the Jets aspire to?
well, if you have to use the oakland raiders as the bar, I think that says a lot about the team.

 
The Jets entire offense is made up of second and third string talent. I'm not sure that Matt Millen could have assembled a starting roster worse than this one. Even the Jags and Raiders have a few playmakers. This is an ugly group.
The Raiders have Terrelle Pryor as their QB and Rod Streater as their top wideout; what exactly should the Jets aspire to?
well, if you have to use the oakland raiders as the bar, I think that says a lot about the team.
I didn't. He did. I'm pretty sure the Jets will be okay this year. Mediocre, but not a disaster.

 
The Jets entire offense is made up of second and third string talent. I'm not sure that Matt Millen could have assembled a starting roster worse than this one. Even the Jags and Raiders have a few playmakers. This is an ugly group.
The Raiders have Terrelle Pryor as their QB and Rod Streater as their top wideout; what exactly should the Jets aspire to?
well, if you have to use the oakland raiders as the bar, I think that says a lot about the team.
I didn't. He did. I'm pretty sure the Jets will be okay this year. Mediocre, but not a disaster.
You consider 4 wins max mediocre?

 
Why do people think the Jets don't completely suck all of a sudden?
becuase they dontgood d - Not as good as the Pats

a real offensive coordinator - But no offense

a developing qb, who can make some plays - Rookie who looked completely lost in preseason

a good scheme on both sides of the ball - No talent on either though

a pretty good defensive coordinator - with average players
Because they do
I don't think the jets are a good team and I think they lose tonight. But to say they no talent is just silly and kills your credibility.

The defensive line has a pro bowler (he'll make it this year) in Wilkerson and another potential pro bowl talent with Richardson. Cromartie was a top 5 cb last year (although he was awful on Sunday) and Milner was a top 10 talent.

Offense is obviously not in good shape, but has potential next year if Geno isn't a stiff and they can 1 or 2 playmakers. And of course, Ferguson and mangold are both multi time pro bowlers who are still in their primes.

Again, they're missing talent /experience at key spots, which is why they'll lose at least 9 games. But this is far from the worst roster in the league
Well, ya gotta take what I say with a grain of salt. As I mentioned here in an earlier exaggerated post, "As a Pats Fan, I hate the Jets. So there's that".
I'd take the NY front 7 over NE front 7 anyday

 
The Jets entire offense is made up of second and third string talent. I'm not sure that Matt Millen could have assembled a starting roster worse than this one. Even the Jags and Raiders have a few playmakers. This is an ugly group.
The Raiders have Terrelle Pryor as their QB and Rod Streater as their top wideout; what exactly should the Jets aspire to?
Nice you left off McFadden. Would Geno even start for the Raiders or Jags? Pryor isn't a downgrade at this point. Gabbert blows but Henne would probably edge him out right now. The Jets RB and WR crew are garbage and the TE has knees held together with barbed wire. This isn't a mediocre offense. This is a bottom 3 offense, maybe dead last at the end of the season. Zero playmakers.

 
Edelman will without a doubt be the go-to guy tonight. The Pats came into the season after having lost a lot of their offensive weapons. They've lost even more after week 1. The only "proven" guy out there is Edelman and hes shown chemistry with Brady. If Cromartie wasn't going to be on Thompkins then I'd be predicting a big bounce back game from him.

 
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The Jets entire offense is made up of second and third string talent. I'm not sure that Matt Millen could have assembled a starting roster worse than this one. Even the Jags and Raiders have a few playmakers. This is an ugly group.
The Raiders have Terrelle Pryor as their QB and Rod Streater as their top wideout; what exactly should the Jets aspire to?
Nice you left off McFadden. Would Geno even start for the Raiders or Jags? Pryor isn't a downgrade at this point. Gabbert blows but Henne would probably edge him out right now. The Jets RB and WR crew are garbage and the TE has knees held together with barbed wire. This isn't a mediocre offense. This is a bottom 3 offense, maybe dead last at the end of the season. Zero playmakers.
I forgot McFadden, much like most people who expect an RB to play in more than four games a year.

Seriously, I did. Forget him, that is.

 
How do you guys think the NYJ backfield will shake out? You can run on NE. Powell saw 63% of the snaps last week and was utlized 17 times. Hes also the defacto 3rd down RB/pass catcher.
according to what?
Exactly. When was the last time you could really run on NE?
You gotta love how people just make up stats to prove their point.

The Patriots ranked 9th last season with 101.9ypg allowed on the ground and were tied for 6th last season with 10 TDs allowed. Tied for 5th in YPC allowed at 3.9ypc. They were also tied for first on big plays... they only allowed 5 plays of 20 or more yards and allowed 0 of 40 or more yards.

So yes please, since when have you been able to run on the Patriots? They're actually one of the worst RB matchups in the league... very quietly but it still holds true quiet or not.
It's nice to see you step out of the David Wilson thread and bring your never ending argumentative disposition here. Relax.

I didn't make up any stats nor did I present any. Regardless, I'm referring to what I've seen so far this year. Preseason needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt but they looked rather porous there. Last week, they gave up the 6th most rushing yards to RBs; old man Jackson didn't seem to have much trouble averaging 5.2 yards a clip. From what I've seen so far THIS year, I believe they can be run on.

Also, I'm not saying to start either Powell or Ivory as they're both rather underwhelming regardless of the match-up, I'm again just interested to see how things shake out.

They DVOA'd at 6 last year against the rush, according to Football Outsiders. Then again, the year before they finished 25th. I'll take my entertainment and posters any way I can get it, and SameSongNDance is pretty good, all things considered. Maybe a bit too much like a national commentator flying in for the game, having a meeting, and telling me how the Red Sox operate, but pretty good nonetheless.
Ah, I never considered myself entertaining. Glad I could be of service. :pickle:

 
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There is a good chance of some storms in Boston tonight. Maybe lower expectations for the passing games a bit?

 
The only "proven" guy out there is Edelman and hes shown chemistry with Brady. If Cromartie wasn't going to be on Thompkins then I'd be predicting a big bounce back game from him.
Do we know for sure that Cromartie will be blanketing Thompkins all night? Does Cromartie only play on Thompkins side? Does he never cover the slot receiver? Everyone seems to agree that Edelman is going to be Brady's guy tonight and he's the only proven veteran and the only one with chemistry with Brady so why wouldn't the Jets put Cromartie on Edelman? Not questioning you, just trying to understand if its certain that Cromartie will be covering Thompkins all night since I have a tough choice to make in my flex spot and I'm leaning towards Thompkins right now. If I know for sure he's getting Cromartie all night I might lean the other way.

 
The only "proven" guy out there is Edelman and hes shown chemistry with Brady. If Cromartie wasn't going to be on Thompkins then I'd be predicting a big bounce back game from him.
Do we know for sure that Cromartie will be blanketing Thompkins all night? Does Cromartie only play on Thompkins side? Does he never cover the slot receiver? Everyone seems to agree that Edelman is going to be Brady's guy tonight and he's the only proven veteran and the only one with chemistry with Brady so why wouldn't the Jets put Cromartie on Edelman? Not questioning you, just trying to understand if its certain that Cromartie will be covering Thompkins all night since I have a tough choice to make in my flex spot and I'm leaning towards Thompkins right now. If I know for sure he's getting Cromartie all night I might lean the other way.
I hope someone more knowledgeable about him can respond because I don't really know. Everything I've read is that he never covers the slot guy. Hes always on the big playmaker guy. Then again, I can't think of many teams where the slot guy is the top WR threat on the team. So maybe he would do fine on the slot guy? Who has he covered in past seasons?

 
We've had some Wrath of God type of thunderstorms up here this afternoon.

As much promise as the rookies might have, they're rookies and it shows. Thompkins looked every bit like a guy who was overwhelmed by the speed of regular season football last Sunday. He did have a couple nice catches that were OOB, so he's still learning to get two feet in bounds. Any word on whether Bolden is playing tonight yet?

 
How do you guys think the NYJ backfield will shake out? You can run on NE. Powell saw 63% of the snaps last week and was utlized 17 times. Hes also the defacto 3rd down RB/pass catcher.
according to what?
Exactly. When was the last time you could really run on NE?
You gotta love how people just make up stats to prove their point.

The Patriots ranked 9th last season with 101.9ypg allowed on the ground and were tied for 6th last season with 10 TDs allowed. Tied for 5th in YPC allowed at 3.9ypc. They were also tied for first on big plays... they only allowed 5 plays of 20 or more yards and allowed 0 of 40 or more yards.

So yes please, since when have you been able to run on the Patriots? They're actually one of the worst RB matchups in the league... very quietly but it still holds true quiet or not.
It's nice to see you step out of the David Wilson thread and bring your never ending argumentative disposition here. Relax.

I didn't make up any stats nor did I present any. Regardless, I'm referring to what I've seen so far this year. Preseason needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt but they looked rather porous there. Last week, they gave up the 6th most rushing yards to RBs; old man Jackson didn't seem to have much trouble averaging 5.2 yards a clip. From what I've seen so far THIS year, I believe they can be run on.

Also, I'm not saying to start either Powell or Ivory as they're both rather underwhelming regardless of the match-up, I'm again just interested to see how things shake out.

They DVOA'd at 6 last year against the rush, according to Football Outsiders. Then again, the year before they finished 25th. I'll take my entertainment and posters any way I can get it, and SameSongNDance is pretty good, all things considered. Maybe a bit too much like a national commentator flying in for the game, having a meeting, and telling me how the Red Sox operate, but pretty good nonetheless.
Ah, I never considered myself entertaining. Glad I could be of service. :pickle:
why did you leave out cj spiller?

 

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