Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.
They DVOA'd at 6 last year against the rush, according to Football Outsiders. Then again, the year before they finished 25th. I'll take my entertainment and posters any way I can get it, and SameSongNDance is pretty good, all things considered. Maybe a bit too much like a national commentator flying in for the game, having a meeting, and telling me how the Red Sox operate, but pretty good nonetheless.You gotta love how people just make up stats to prove their point.Exactly. When was the last time you could really run on NE?according to what?How do you guys think the NYJ backfield will shake out? You can run on NE. Powell saw 63% of the snaps last week and was utlized 17 times. Hes also the defacto 3rd down RB/pass catcher.
The Patriots ranked 9th last season with 101.9ypg allowed on the ground and were tied for 6th last season with 10 TDs allowed. Tied for 5th in YPC allowed at 3.9ypc. They were also tied for first on big plays... they only allowed 5 plays of 20 or more yards and allowed 0 of 40 or more yards.
So yes please, since when have you been able to run on the Patriots? They're actually one of the worst RB matchups in the league... very quietly but it still holds true quiet or not.
is he playing?People are going to be made aware of Aaron Dobson tonight.
I sure hope so.People are going to be made aware of Aaron Dobson tonight.
Please remind the class who the wonderfully talented offensive players this rookie QB is going to rely on to move the ball down the field in any capacity.Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.
If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having
big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB
without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro
teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were
in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more
than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.
Ivory is good. Hill is good. Holmes was good. They're not a terrible team. Michael Salfino called the Jets D particularly "nasty." Look, Rex can indeed coach D. It was just back a few years ago you guys went home in the playoffs after being heavily favored against the J-E-T-S. And it was a butt whooping, IIRC.Please remind the class who the wonderfully talented offensive players this rookie QB is going to rely on to move the ball down the field in any capacity.Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.
If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having
big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB
without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro
teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were
in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more
than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.
Spoken like someone who did not watch the game and only looked at the boxscore. Half of those targets where poorly thrown balls by Tom Brady, the other half were caught balls out of boundsThompkins only caught 4 0f 14 targets. I think you will see Thompkins giving up snaps to Boyce or Dobson (if healthy) or both. Belichick hates turning the ball over so i got to believe he hates dropped balls and wrong routes just as much.
I don't think the jets are a good team and I think they lose tonight. But to say they no talent is just silly and kills your credibility.Because they dobecuase they dontgood d - Not as good as the PatsWhy do people think the Jets don't completely suck all of a sudden?
a real offensive coordinator - But no offense
a developing qb, who can make some plays - Rookie who looked completely lost in preseason
a good scheme on both sides of the ball - No talent on either though
a pretty good defensive coordinator - with average players
Ivory is untested on the Jets. 10 carries for 15 yards last week. Hill only has a couple dozen catches over the past two seasons, and Holmes is pouting in the corner as usual. Gino looked awful in the preseason, and had Rexy not tried to win the Snoopy Bowl, he would be a backup tonight.Ivory is good. Hill is good. Holmes was good. They're not a terrible team. Michael Salfino called the Jets D particularly "nasty." Look, Rex can indeed coach D. It was just back a few years ago you guys went home in the playoffs after being heavily favored against the J-E-T-S. And it was a butt whooping, IIRC.Please remind the class who the wonderfully talented offensive players this rookie QB is going to rely on to move the ball down the field in any capacity.Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.
If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having
big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB
without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro
teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were
in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more
than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.
Easy cover at 12.5? Wow.Ivory is untested on the Jets. 10 carries for 15 yards last week. Hill only has a couple dozen catches over the past two seasons, and Holmes is pouting in the corner as usual. Gino looked awful in the preseason, and had Rexy not tried to win the Snoopy Bowl, he would be a backup tonight.Ivory is good. Hill is good. Holmes was good. They're not a terrible team. Michael Salfino called the Jets D particularly "nasty." Look, Rex can indeed coach D. It was just back a few years ago you guys went home in the playoffs after being heavily favored against the J-E-T-S. And it was a butt whooping, IIRC.Please remind the class who the wonderfully talented offensive players this rookie QB is going to rely on to move the ball down the field in any capacity.Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.
If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having
big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB
without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro
teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were
in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more
than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.
Rex can coach D, I'll give you that, but they are going to be awfully tired tonight with all the turnovers and 3 & outs they'll be getting.
I'll take Brady, Ridley and the rooks tonight in an easy cover.
Well, ya gotta take what I say with a grain of salt. As I mentioned here in an earlier exaggerated post, "As a Pats Fan, I hate the Jets. So there's that".I don't think the jets are a good team and I think they lose tonight. But to say they no talent is just silly and kills your credibility.Because they dobecuase they dontgood d - Not as good as the PatsWhy do people think the Jets don't completely suck all of a sudden?
a real offensive coordinator - But no offense
a developing qb, who can make some plays - Rookie who looked completely lost in preseason
a good scheme on both sides of the ball - No talent on either though
a pretty good defensive coordinator - with average players
The defensive line has a pro bowler (he'll make it this year) in Wilkerson and another potential pro bowl talent with Richardson. Cromartie was a top 5 cb last year (although he was awful on Sunday) and Milner was a top 10 talent.
Offense is obviously not in good shape, but has potential next year if Geno isn't a stiff and they can 1 or 2 playmakers. And of course, Ferguson and mangold are both multi time pro bowlers who are still in their primes.
Again, they're missing talent /experience at key spots, which is why they'll lose at least 9 games. But this is far from the worst roster in the league
It's only 12.5?Easy cover at 12.5? Wow.Ivory is untested on the Jets. 10 carries for 15 yards last week. Hill only has a couple dozen catches over the past two seasons, and Holmes is pouting in the corner as usual. Gino looked awful in the preseason, and had Rexy not tried to win the Snoopy Bowl, he would be a backup tonight.Ivory is good. Hill is good. Holmes was good. They're not a terrible team. Michael Salfino called the Jets D particularly "nasty." Look, Rex can indeed coach D. It was just back a few years ago you guys went home in the playoffs after being heavily favored against the J-E-T-S. And it was a butt whooping, IIRC.Please remind the class who the wonderfully talented offensive players this rookie QB is going to rely on to move the ball down the field in any capacity.Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.
If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having
big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB
without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro
teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were
in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more
than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.
Rex can coach D, I'll give you that, but they are going to be awfully tired tonight with all the turnovers and 3 & outs they'll be getting.
I'll take Brady, Ridley and the rooks tonight in an easy cover.
It's only 12.5?Easy cover at 12.5? Wow.Ivory is untested on the Jets. 10 carries for 15 yards last week. Hill only has a couple dozen catches over the past two seasons, and Holmes is pouting in the corner as usual. Gino looked awful in the preseason, and had Rexy not tried to win the Snoopy Bowl, he would be a backup tonight.Ivory is good. Hill is good. Holmes was good. They're not a terrible team. Michael Salfino called the Jets D particularly "nasty." Look, Rex can indeed coach D. It was just back a few years ago you guys went home in the playoffs after being heavily favored against the J-E-T-S. And it was a butt whooping, IIRC.Please remind the class who the wonderfully talented offensive players this rookie QB is going to rely on to move the ball down the field in any capacity.Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.
If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having
big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB
without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro
teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were
in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more
than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.
Rex can coach D, I'll give you that, but they are going to be awfully tired tonight with all the turnovers and 3 & outs they'll be getting.
I'll take Brady, Ridley and the rooks tonight in an easy cover.
I will never say 100% when it comes to the Patriots and their injuries but the local reporters have been saying to expect his debut tonight.is he playing?People are going to be made aware of Aaron Dobson tonight.
That 23-21 game wasn't that close. Couple weird fumbles were the equalizer. I'm hardly sold on the Pats O at this early stage in the season so I'm not comfortable laying DD, but I'd caution you not to do a driveby analysis by looking at final score of Buff game and use that as your main reason to take Jets.I would say 2/3 of the people in here are going Pats, maybe higher...this place should clean up tonight if the Pats win and cover the 12. You guys make it sound so easy to cover this spread.
Buffalo was supposed to be a blowout last week as well...wasn't that the Patriots and Tom Brady I saw scratching and clawing their way back on the last drive to eek a FG thru and beat EJ Manuel?
I am 2nd guessing my pick, so many of you make compelling cases but logic is not at play here tonight. It's the 1st real Thursday game off a short week, last week teams were fresh. Some of these Thursday Night games can be really ugly, seem to remember that being a theme last year but perhaps I'm a confused old man.
The Raiders have Terrelle Pryor as their QB and Rod Streater as their top wideout; what exactly should the Jets aspire to?The Jets entire offense is made up of second and third string talent. I'm not sure that Matt Millen could have assembled a starting roster worse than this one. Even the Jags and Raiders have a few playmakers. This is an ugly group.
Well, they do have McFadden, so that doubles the Jets offense.The Raiders have Terrelle Pryor as their QB and Rod Streater as their top wideout; what exactly should the Jets aspire to?The Jets entire offense is made up of second and third string talent. I'm not sure that Matt Millen could have assembled a starting roster worse than this one. Even the Jags and Raiders have a few playmakers. This is an ugly group.
well, if you have to use the oakland raiders as the bar, I think that says a lot about the team.The Raiders have Terrelle Pryor as their QB and Rod Streater as their top wideout; what exactly should the Jets aspire to?The Jets entire offense is made up of second and third string talent. I'm not sure that Matt Millen could have assembled a starting roster worse than this one. Even the Jags and Raiders have a few playmakers. This is an ugly group.
I didn't. He did. I'm pretty sure the Jets will be okay this year. Mediocre, but not a disaster.well, if you have to use the oakland raiders as the bar, I think that says a lot about the team.The Raiders have Terrelle Pryor as their QB and Rod Streater as their top wideout; what exactly should the Jets aspire to?The Jets entire offense is made up of second and third string talent. I'm not sure that Matt Millen could have assembled a starting roster worse than this one. Even the Jags and Raiders have a few playmakers. This is an ugly group.
You consider 4 wins max mediocre?I didn't. He did. I'm pretty sure the Jets will be okay this year. Mediocre, but not a disaster.well, if you have to use the oakland raiders as the bar, I think that says a lot about the team.The Raiders have Terrelle Pryor as their QB and Rod Streater as their top wideout; what exactly should the Jets aspire to?The Jets entire offense is made up of second and third string talent. I'm not sure that Matt Millen could have assembled a starting roster worse than this one. Even the Jags and Raiders have a few playmakers. This is an ugly group.
I'd take the NY front 7 over NE front 7 anydayWell, ya gotta take what I say with a grain of salt. As I mentioned here in an earlier exaggerated post, "As a Pats Fan, I hate the Jets. So there's that".I don't think the jets are a good team and I think they lose tonight. But to say they no talent is just silly and kills your credibility.Because they dobecuase they dontgood d - Not as good as the PatsWhy do people think the Jets don't completely suck all of a sudden?
a real offensive coordinator - But no offense
a developing qb, who can make some plays - Rookie who looked completely lost in preseason
a good scheme on both sides of the ball - No talent on either though
a pretty good defensive coordinator - with average players
The defensive line has a pro bowler (he'll make it this year) in Wilkerson and another potential pro bowl talent with Richardson. Cromartie was a top 5 cb last year (although he was awful on Sunday) and Milner was a top 10 talent.
Offense is obviously not in good shape, but has potential next year if Geno isn't a stiff and they can 1 or 2 playmakers. And of course, Ferguson and mangold are both multi time pro bowlers who are still in their primes.
Again, they're missing talent /experience at key spots, which is why they'll lose at least 9 games. But this is far from the worst roster in the league
To what? Not being jerk, just curious what you're getting at.Should we change the title of the thread?
how about 'new york jets disaster'?To what? Not being jerk, just curious what you're getting at.Should we change the title of the thread?
Oh yeah!how about 'new york jets disaster'?To what? Not being jerk, just curious what you're getting at.Should we change the title of the thread?
Nice you left off McFadden. Would Geno even start for the Raiders or Jags? Pryor isn't a downgrade at this point. Gabbert blows but Henne would probably edge him out right now. The Jets RB and WR crew are garbage and the TE has knees held together with barbed wire. This isn't a mediocre offense. This is a bottom 3 offense, maybe dead last at the end of the season. Zero playmakers.The Raiders have Terrelle Pryor as their QB and Rod Streater as their top wideout; what exactly should the Jets aspire to?The Jets entire offense is made up of second and third string talent. I'm not sure that Matt Millen could have assembled a starting roster worse than this one. Even the Jags and Raiders have a few playmakers. This is an ugly group.
I forgot McFadden, much like most people who expect an RB to play in more than four games a year.Nice you left off McFadden. Would Geno even start for the Raiders or Jags? Pryor isn't a downgrade at this point. Gabbert blows but Henne would probably edge him out right now. The Jets RB and WR crew are garbage and the TE has knees held together with barbed wire. This isn't a mediocre offense. This is a bottom 3 offense, maybe dead last at the end of the season. Zero playmakers.The Raiders have Terrelle Pryor as their QB and Rod Streater as their top wideout; what exactly should the Jets aspire to?The Jets entire offense is made up of second and third string talent. I'm not sure that Matt Millen could have assembled a starting roster worse than this one. Even the Jags and Raiders have a few playmakers. This is an ugly group.
It's nice to see you step out of the David Wilson thread and bring your never ending argumentative disposition here. Relax.You gotta love how people just make up stats to prove their point.Exactly. When was the last time you could really run on NE?according to what?How do you guys think the NYJ backfield will shake out? You can run on NE. Powell saw 63% of the snaps last week and was utlized 17 times. Hes also the defacto 3rd down RB/pass catcher.
The Patriots ranked 9th last season with 101.9ypg allowed on the ground and were tied for 6th last season with 10 TDs allowed. Tied for 5th in YPC allowed at 3.9ypc. They were also tied for first on big plays... they only allowed 5 plays of 20 or more yards and allowed 0 of 40 or more yards.
So yes please, since when have you been able to run on the Patriots? They're actually one of the worst RB matchups in the league... very quietly but it still holds true quiet or not.
Ah, I never considered myself entertaining. Glad I could be of service.They DVOA'd at 6 last year against the rush, according to Football Outsiders. Then again, the year before they finished 25th. I'll take my entertainment and posters any way I can get it, and SameSongNDance is pretty good, all things considered. Maybe a bit too much like a national commentator flying in for the game, having a meeting, and telling me how the Red Sox operate, but pretty good nonetheless.
Jesus man. How much lower can they go?There is a good chance of some storms in Boston tonight. Maybe lower expectations for the passing games a bit?
Do we know for sure that Cromartie will be blanketing Thompkins all night? Does Cromartie only play on Thompkins side? Does he never cover the slot receiver? Everyone seems to agree that Edelman is going to be Brady's guy tonight and he's the only proven veteran and the only one with chemistry with Brady so why wouldn't the Jets put Cromartie on Edelman? Not questioning you, just trying to understand if its certain that Cromartie will be covering Thompkins all night since I have a tough choice to make in my flex spot and I'm leaning towards Thompkins right now. If I know for sure he's getting Cromartie all night I might lean the other way.The only "proven" guy out there is Edelman and hes shown chemistry with Brady. If Cromartie wasn't going to be on Thompkins then I'd be predicting a big bounce back game from him.
I hope someone more knowledgeable about him can respond because I don't really know. Everything I've read is that he never covers the slot guy. Hes always on the big playmaker guy. Then again, I can't think of many teams where the slot guy is the top WR threat on the team. So maybe he would do fine on the slot guy? Who has he covered in past seasons?Do we know for sure that Cromartie will be blanketing Thompkins all night? Does Cromartie only play on Thompkins side? Does he never cover the slot receiver? Everyone seems to agree that Edelman is going to be Brady's guy tonight and he's the only proven veteran and the only one with chemistry with Brady so why wouldn't the Jets put Cromartie on Edelman? Not questioning you, just trying to understand if its certain that Cromartie will be covering Thompkins all night since I have a tough choice to make in my flex spot and I'm leaning towards Thompkins right now. If I know for sure he's getting Cromartie all night I might lean the other way.The only "proven" guy out there is Edelman and hes shown chemistry with Brady. If Cromartie wasn't going to be on Thompkins then I'd be predicting a big bounce back game from him.
With the news of Amendola out 2-6 weeks, he could be a good stash in a redraft league.I will never say 100% when it comes to the Patriots and their injuries but the local reporters have been saying to expect his debut tonight.is he playing?People are going to be made aware of Aaron Dobson tonight.
why did you leave out cj spiller?It's nice to see you step out of the David Wilson thread and bring your never ending argumentative disposition here. Relax.You gotta love how people just make up stats to prove their point.Exactly. When was the last time you could really run on NE?according to what?How do you guys think the NYJ backfield will shake out? You can run on NE. Powell saw 63% of the snaps last week and was utlized 17 times. Hes also the defacto 3rd down RB/pass catcher.
The Patriots ranked 9th last season with 101.9ypg allowed on the ground and were tied for 6th last season with 10 TDs allowed. Tied for 5th in YPC allowed at 3.9ypc. They were also tied for first on big plays... they only allowed 5 plays of 20 or more yards and allowed 0 of 40 or more yards.
So yes please, since when have you been able to run on the Patriots? They're actually one of the worst RB matchups in the league... very quietly but it still holds true quiet or not.
I didn't make up any stats nor did I present any. Regardless, I'm referring to what I've seen so far this year. Preseason needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt but they looked rather porous there. Last week, they gave up the 6th most rushing yards to RBs; old man Jackson didn't seem to have much trouble averaging 5.2 yards a clip. From what I've seen so far THIS year, I believe they can be run on.
Also, I'm not saying to start either Powell or Ivory as they're both rather underwhelming regardless of the match-up, I'm again just interested to see how things shake out.
Ah, I never considered myself entertaining. Glad I could be of service.They DVOA'd at 6 last year against the rush, according to Football Outsiders. Then again, the year before they finished 25th. I'll take my entertainment and posters any way I can get it, and SameSongNDance is pretty good, all things considered. Maybe a bit too much like a national commentator flying in for the game, having a meeting, and telling me how the Red Sox operate, but pretty good nonetheless.![]()