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Jim Schwartz's use errr misuse of Megatron (1 Viewer)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
something is up with Calvin
He is being "lionized" he looks like a deer in the headlights sometimes.
His success seems to come against prevent defenses
He is being "lionized" he looks like a deer in the headlights sometimes.
His success seems to come against prevent defenses
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Same thing that's up with Larry Fitzgerald. It's tough to make a living as an NFL WR when the defense is scared of nothing other than you. Worst thing that could happen for Calvin is if Best is gimpy for a prolonged period.
Da Guru
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road warrior
Footballguy
Maybe..... just maybe.... he not as good as advertised. Despite his physical attributes, he really hasn't live up to expectations in quite some time.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
They'll keep losing games and it will probably click around Week 10 to get him the ball.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
A local talk show has said the same thing many times. Many times CJ is just not open.
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Scooby1974
Footballguy
Calvin has already proven that he isn't just an athlete in football pads. Spread the field and get the ball in the air and let Calvin and Best make plays.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
So you claim to be smarter than Fox and now Schwartz? Any other pro coaches that you know more then?
It's a combination of a few things, but number 1 I think is that there is nobody for the defense to worry about. They can double Calvin on every single play because there is no running threat (we'll see if Best can turn that around) and no other receivers that are going to burn you.
Still, Linehan needs to find a way to get him involved. As someone else said, all they have him do are streaks. They just want him to outrun the defense a la Randy Moss in Minnesota. The problem right now is Shaun Hill can't make those throws. He's a solid, relatively accurate short yardage thrower. Hopefully Stafford can get things on the right track.
Still, Linehan needs to find a way to get him involved. As someone else said, all they have him do are streaks. They just want him to outrun the defense a la Randy Moss in Minnesota. The problem right now is Shaun Hill can't make those throws. He's a solid, relatively accurate short yardage thrower. Hopefully Stafford can get things on the right track.
I know that those are 2 crappy coaches on 2 crappy teams who seem to be neglecting their best players.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Six receptions on seven targets last week. That's a helluva reception rate for a blanketed guy. I have a hunch (NOTHING to back this up), the problems start at the top. Great coaches unleash their players and let them play, knowing there will be a fair number of poor results in the process. The Lions seem like they're calling a "safe" game on offense. I'd like to see the number of deep shots they've taken compared to the league average. Maybe I'm wrong.
The Jerk
Footballguy
"quite some time"really?2008: 78 receptions, 1331 yards, 12 TDsThe best part is that his quarterbacks on an 0-16 team were Dan Orlovsky, Jon Kitna and a heavily recycled Daunte Culpepper.What more exactly did you want him to do?2009: injured in early October and with a rookie quarterback, Johnson struggled in the first half of the season.However, 43 receptions, 632 yards, 4 TDs in the final eight games are still respectable stats.So this chronic underachiever has 145 receptions, 2314 yards, 17 TDs over two seasons -- even with missing several games and playing hurt in others -- on a team that is 2-30 over that span.How many other wide receivers exceeded Johnson's production from 2008-2009?Calvin is tied for 4th with Andre Johnson with 17 TDs Calvin is 9th in yards in receiving yards with 2314Calvin is tied for 15th with Steve Smith CAR with 145 receptionsHow many other receivers exceeded Johnson's production in TDs, yards AND receptions?Two. Larry Fitzgerald and Roddy WhiteNow... if your expectations is that he lead the league in all categories, then I'd agree that CJ has not met expectations in some time. If, on the other hand, your expectations are that he simply be a top 3 WR, then he met those expectations in 2008.
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timschochet
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Man I hate posts like this. I don't even care much about this subject and I still hate this post.What is the point of having a forum if people can't express criticism for coaches? Why should we even discuss football at all, if all of these experts know so much more than we do? Fans should just shut up and realize that NFL coaches see a lot more film than they do and that we have no right to question their decisions.
Clifford
Footballguy
Since 2008
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Seven targets is the problem. With CJs talent and on a team like the Lions he should be targeted at least 12-15 times a game. WR screens, slants, whatever. Then he should get at least 1-2 end arounds a game. I remember his rookie year he was a beast on the end around. Going down swinging with your best players DAMMITT!!! The Lions have to get the ball in his hands.
I've watched 2 games this year and have yet to see a bubble screen or slant. That is all on the coach.
Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
Compared to Stafford, Shaun Hill throws like Benny Hill.
I think once he returns, CJ will experience an uptick in targets and production....at least I hope.
I think once he returns, CJ will experience an uptick in targets and production....at least I hope.
FavreCo
Footballguy
I like posts like this because I can answer 'yes' and know that I am right. Fox sucks as a HC. I'm infinitely smarter than that bum. I would not have passed the ball 4 straight times when the running game could have punched it in from 4 yards out on 1st and goal. Yes, they would ahve scored running it. I also would have fired the OC on the spot if he did what they did and I was the HC.The fact that they (Detroit) run this play (end around) with a 6-5 WR tells me they are clueless. This is how Jerry Rice missed games and he was good at it. It worked once against Tampa years ago and they must watch that play over and over and fantasize about it working again. it's a dangerous play for a tall WR running sideways with defender attacking the lower legs.
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Addai's Adidas
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He looks awful on end arounds. Lucas had one last week - that is the guy you want running end arounds.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
FavreCo
Footballguy
Wrong for some of us. From year 1 I could see the suckage of David Carr. It took Houston 5 years to find out what I knew after a few games of watching him. Troy Williamson.....Jimmy Raye....JaMarcus. Some are so obviously bad yet NFL management can't see it.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Wrong for some of us. From year 1 I could see the suckage of David Carr. It took Houston 5 years to find out what I knew after a few games of watching him. Troy Williamson.....Jimmy Raye....JaMarcus. Some are so obviously bad yet NFL management can't see it.
Why haven't you taken one of these jobs yet?
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Sweetness_34
Footballguy
When you keep picking up Mr 60+ catches as your WR1, you deserve this. Some day folks will learn it is not about measurables only.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Without critique/criticizing/blasting coaches and management decisions, would almost any of the topics in this forum exist? How about sports talk radio? Sure, not everyone can claim any sort of legitimacy in their criticism, but to say no one has the "right" to questions their decisions is foolish.Wrong for some of us. From year 1 I could see the suckage of David Carr. It took Houston 5 years to find out what I knew after a few games of watching him. Troy Williamson.....Jimmy Raye....JaMarcus. Some are so obviously bad yet NFL management can't see it.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That is unfair. 2 years ago Calvin caught 78 balls for 1331 yards and 12 TDs. He isn't all hype.
road warrior
Footballguy
Wow, circa 2008. How divine.All I know is a WR named Brandon Marshall can play for different coaches, different QB's and yes... different teams. Doesn't seem to bother him any.Let's call CJ the Carson Palmer of WR's.
treat88
Footballguy
Sarcasm noted.Not only does it never pick up positive yardage it also gets him injured annually.Worst possible way to utilize his talents.
drfeelgood
Footballguy
Do you honestly think this is a good analogy?
road warrior
Footballguy
Nah, you're probably right. One is a warrior and the other is fodder for a discussion board.Carry on. My work is done here.
T with T
Footballguy
he is always open he can outjump anyone and is 6-5.... not a smart thing to say lol
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jurb26
Footballguy
Really there are 2 things going on here. Yes, C. Johnson's situation is pretty bad. I don't think he has been short of opportunity though. Det has thrown to this guy a ton over the years if I'm not mistaken. He's had poor QB play and little help around him to take coverage away though. So that is one thing working against him. The other is that he simply isn't as good as many around here want to believe. Yes, he is a good player and eventually he will put up stats. I'm guessing that wont be consistent until Stafford is able to stay healthy... or more specifically the oline greatly improves. But this guy is overhyped around here year in and year out it seems.
tdhartis
Footballguy
Last I checked, Brandon Marshall wasn't lighting up stat sheets until a few days ago. I think you may be jumping the gun a bit there. Its only Week 4, and CJ has proven he is more than just his measurables although people would love to refute it and act as if 2008 was decades ago.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Love the use of the word, "warrior" here. Sir you clearly know your football.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I agree with the OP. I've watched almost every snap of the Lions this season and on handfuls of situations I throw my hands up in the air in frustration at the lack of early targets CJ is getting on this team. It was also with Stafford in Week 1, he didn't catch a freaken pass in the first half. You know how many bums caught at least one lousy pass in the first half around the league, too many to count.
He caught a whopping 1 catch for 7 yards in week 2 and very little this past week. I disagree with those saying he is overhyped as an athlete, he is that good. Just throw him the freaken ball, he'll catch it or get fouled.
He's an immense talent but sat my bench last week. I live in Detroit and hit the sports bar with my buddies last week and the thought of Calvin catching a long one with all the guys celebrating and starting Calvin was a grand one but I just couldn't start him from what I've witnessed this season. He is NOT a priority in this offense, I don't even see the Qb hardly look his way. If I were a backup, I know I'd be stuck on a guy like Johnson. Just throw it up to him instead of getting it picked when you throw it to the other Johnson.
He caught a whopping 1 catch for 7 yards in week 2 and very little this past week. I disagree with those saying he is overhyped as an athlete, he is that good. Just throw him the freaken ball, he'll catch it or get fouled.
He's an immense talent but sat my bench last week. I live in Detroit and hit the sports bar with my buddies last week and the thought of Calvin catching a long one with all the guys celebrating and starting Calvin was a grand one but I just couldn't start him from what I've witnessed this season. He is NOT a priority in this offense, I don't even see the Qb hardly look his way. If I were a backup, I know I'd be stuck on a guy like Johnson. Just throw it up to him instead of getting it picked when you throw it to the other Johnson.
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Chili Cheese Burrito
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Yes, but has he played for the Lions? We are talking about the Lions here. Brandon has had more targets and qb stability in his career than Calvin. 2009 - Stafford for 9 games, Culpepper and Stanton the others. (Calvin hurt for four games)2008 - Kitna 4 games, Orlovsky 8 games, Culpepper 4 games2009 - Kyle Orton 16 games2008 - Cutler 16 games2007 - Cutler 16 gamesI get your point but I would much rather have the stability of a qb for 16 games throwing to me over the course of a year. Maybe some year Calvin can have that.
The Jerk
Footballguy
So now you're suggesting Brandon Marshall is vastly superior to Calvin Johnson? Interesting.From 2008-today, Marshall has 2675 yards and 17 TDs receiving.From 2008-today, Johnson has 2466 yards and 17 TDs receiving.So the difference amounts to roughly 6 yards receiving per game. And of course, Johnson was hobbled for several games last season. Now, if you're in PPR, Marshall has close to two extra receptions per game, but if not, that's nearly a tieMarshall's teams are 18-17 while Johnson's are 2-33. Marshall has had Jay Cutler, Kyle Orton and Chad Henne throwing him the ball, while Johnson has had Dan Orlovsky, Jon Kitna, Daunte Culpepper, Matthew Stafford and Shaun Hill as his QBs.Yeah, I can see how horrible Johnson is.Everyone can have smug comments and unsupported allegations. The numbers show a much different story than the cutesy comments.
Neofight
Footballguy
Are you actually getting paid for this?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
This didn't get enough love.Ahhh, the progression of the fantasy mind.I think people are just venting about the high picks they used to pick up a physical freak who is not producing. They are looking for answers and it is frustrating when it isn't obvious as to why all the bad numbers. It is my hope that the coaching staff tries to make a change this week and get the ball to CJ. As I say this, I am benching CJ and using Hernandez in my flex.
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