Jobs and cost of employees playing FF (1 Viewer)

[BassNBrew]

There was a FFA thread a couple of months ago where 80%+ of those posting bragged about how they only do 5-10 hours of real work each week.

 

[Genester]

so this article, should qualify, "that only under perfect working conditions, with perfect morale, and flawless employees, does FF affect productivity"??

This article should say "People play fantasy football at work. They also use the phones to make personal calls, talk to each other on non-work-related subjects, and some even bring dogs to work or use the cafeteria for world class meals, or even take naps at lunch. Breaking news: People do other things at work other than work! And if you look at the best employers in the world, they seem to encourage it."http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2007/

 

[Bevo]

Your productivity is reduced when you're not doing your job. Pretty simple concept really. I'm not saying I don't do it as well, but don't kid yourself by saying that your employer loses nothing simply because you're salaried. I'm salaried too but any time spent doing anything other than my work is simply more work that I could have gotten done. Not trying to be holier than thou or anything but the employer is losing something if he has to employ one additional person in order to get the work done that the other 20 guys aren't getting done when they're doing FF stuff.

I think you are missing something. My employer pays me to finish project X in Y amount of time. I can work on that project "at work", "at home", or anywhere I else I so desire as long as I bring that finished project to them Y amount of time or less. Now, explain to me how I am stealing from my employer when I finish the work given to me on time or (usually) earlier.

So, you're a contractor then? Otherwise, couldn't the employer assign you additional projects during the time that you're deciding to take LT with the first overall pick? Do you renegotiate what your price is going to be for each project X? Does the employer have an inflated value of the cost of each project that you complete if it could be done by someone else at a slightly lower cost but who does not work as productively as you?

Nope, I am employee. Could my employer assign additional work? Yes, but I would then demand more money or I would find another job.In nearly 13 years of working for the company I have been late with one project (by 10 days) and the vast majority of my projects have been finished early. Are you suggesting that if I now get my work done in a timely manner agreed upon by my employer and me that it behooves the company I work for to add additional work for me to do at the same salary in some attempt to squeeze every last little be out of work from me that they possibly can even if it quite likely cause me to leave the company or make do my work with a bad attitude and quite probably become a less productive employee? Fortunately for me my company, while attempting to be efficient and turn a profit, does not feel the lives of their employees is worth so little to them that they expect the employees to have no life external to the company at all.As I said in another post my employer seems to be very happy with both the quantity and quality of my work. Not only have I gotten fairly regular raises but I have gotten a bonus every quarter for 17 quarters running as well as a bonus here and there for getting a particular project done at or above standards and in less time than projected.ETA: If my employer fired me and hired someone to do my job (whether a new employee or a contractor) on an hourly basis there is not one shred of a doubt in my mine that it would cost them a fair amount more than I now cost them even if this new worker never had access to the internet at all.

 

[Thunderlips]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

You job still has an hourly cost. It really does not matter whether the math your employer does is $20 * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $41,600 or tells you I will pay $42,000 a year and get the job done.

That's nice. Now can you explain how I'm "stealing" from my employer or how my productvity is reduced.

Does your employer care about you being on a FF website in the workplace or does he not know?

 

[LAUNCH]

As a non-coffee drinker I would like to see a study on how much the act of drinking, making, walking to the machine, and talking about coffee has on the economy. My guess is $1.1 Billion a day...but I may be low balling it.

LAUNCH

 

[Christo]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

You job still has an hourly cost. It really does not matter whether the math your employer does is $20 * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $41,600 or tells you I will pay $42,000 a year and get the job done.

That's nice. Now can you explain how I'm "stealing" from my employer or how my productvity is reduced.

Does your employer care about you being on a FF website in the workplace or does he not know?

It's not relevant to the discussion but I'll answer anyway. They know. They don't care. They're bottom line sort of people.

 

[BigTex]

I have enet in my office and when it's slow and the restaurant is clean I don't mind if they get on the net, hell we have a league and the guys were on it all the time. But, the customers never suffered for it.

 

[Thunderlips]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

You job still has an hourly cost. It really does not matter whether the math your employer does is $20 * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $41,600 or tells you I will pay $42,000 a year and get the job done.

That's nice. Now can you explain how I'm "stealing" from my employer or how my productvity is reduced.

Does your employer care about you being on a FF website in the workplace or does he not know?

It's not relevant to the discussion but I'll answer anyway. They know. They don't care. They're bottom line sort of people.

Do you have to work a minimum number of hours in a day?

 

[Yitbos69]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

if an hourly employee is doing it, I'll agree. Those of us on salary who have to work until the job is done anyway - not an issue. The only problem might be telling the wife you have to work late and miss dinner, when you've spent 3 hours on FBG's.

Nail on head.....I own my own company so I am just stealing from myself....But it does cost me...but its worth it...I won almost 1,000.00 playing FF this year and I only put in about 1100 hours(ok way more time than that but who's counting).The more I think about it I need to give up FF and get to work....but what am I doing?? joining another Dynasty League.....someone please help me!!

 

[Genester]

As a non-coffee drinker I would like to see a study on how much the act of drinking, making, walking to the machine, and talking about coffee has on the economy. My guess is $1.1 Billion a day...but I may be low balling it.LAUNCH

I got two words for you: SMOKING BREAKS

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Corporate productivity in the USA is at an all-time high. The number one contributor to gains in the U.S. stock market over the last decade has been increases in corporate productivity.

One of the biggest contributors to "increased corporate productivity" has been the internet/email. My boss comes to me in the morning for a fire drill and says get me an assessment on Company X as we are on the verge of signing a big contract and now have to extend $$$ credit line to them. 10 years ago, I'd start making some phone calls, walk the floors and talk to some knowledgeable collegues, walk over the Corporate Library and check through some S&P/Moody's periodicals. At the end of the day I would have a 1 page summary put together. Today, I do a few google searches, check a few bookmarked financial websites, send a quick email or 2 to a banking buddy and have completed said task by 10am.

Yes, there is some baggage that comes with the territory. Porn, gambling, perhaps a few over the top internet addicts (could day trading, shopping, kiddie porn chat rooms, FF, whatever). Actually, the times that I spend any real large chunks of time on Fantasy stuff is usually when I'm bored (in between projects). Responding to this thread or 90% of the time that I post something on FBG has no bearing on my FF teams, it is simply opining on some topic. Years back I'd be down in the Sales Dept BSing about strip bars or happy hour.

Company's pay for performance. I available 24/7 for my job, when needed, do business emails on my Blackberry at night/weekends, spend a few minutes each day checking info on my fantasy teams while at work and sometimes spend a few hours a day doing some Surfing on sites like this because I'm bored and don't have any real work to do at the moment. It is all about performance. I have gotten rated as an "Exceptional Performer" on my performance reviews for as long as I can remember. I've got a women that works for me who has 3 young kids under the age of 4. She is an outstanding worker. She surfs the web looking at websites on ear infections, child autism, she makes doctor appts, talks her nanny several times a day and spends no time each week playing FF. She'll bring work home and complete sometimes at 10pm. It is all about performance and productivity. Yeah I could go to my boss and tell him to give me extra duties, but whether or not I do that has nothing to do with how much time I spend playing fantasy sports.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Employee morale is high. That's worth $1.1 Billion, right?

I run a nationwide company and I have created a work league that includes some of our vendors/customers. Hourly workers do not have access to a computer throughout the day, but the managers do. Managers are not 9-5 workers so I am more concerned with the job getting done and if they want to take out some time to check in on whatever personal issues they have, I am OK with it. Again, it is about the output and quality of work the person puts forth. I don't want to hear that they didn't have time for something though, so I would expect people to work through the night if they needed to complete a project or whatever.in general, a happy employee will give you more when you need it and they will take more pride in what they do. There is always a balance and reading online is no different than talking by the water cooler

A manager that "gets it".

 

[-OZ-]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

You job still has an hourly cost. It really does not matter whether the math your employer does is $20 * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $41,600 or tells you I will pay $42,000 a year and get the job done.

That's nice. Now can you explain how I'm "stealing" from my employer or how my productvity is reduced.

Your productivity is reduced when you're not doing your job. Pretty simple concept really.

Ah, but you're talking about rate while I'm talking about total productivity. My employer pays me the same whether it takes me 8 or 10 or 12 hours to do my job. I'd agree with you if I was paid an hourly wage, but I'm not.

An employer hires 10 employees on the assumption that their total combined work load requires 100 man hours per day. So each of these people work 10 hours a day, but it turns out that each of them on average wastes an hour a day online doing non-work related activities. So, really it only takes 90 man hours per day to get the job done. The employer would be able to reduce his payroll by 10% by not allowing this kind of behavior and only keeping 9 people on staff, right? How does it matter whether they're salaried or paid by the hour. Please explain how this isn't correct.Now, one could talk about the morale issue as well but I'm just solely trying to focus on total productivity given the work that could be done with people and total man hours required to get the job done.

so you're assuming each person would do extra work for those 10 hours. Doesn't always work that way. I'm specialized in one field, while others are doing another. No overlap. You also seem to be assuming a person works 9-5. Few of us do, we generally work until the job is done.

Assume that they're all sales people selling the identical widget and they're all in the same office in front of their computers. As the employer, you need 90 man hours each day to get the work done. Under my scenario it took either 10 people working 9 hours while spending one hour on the computer or a 9 person staff actually working the entire time they're at work. Right?

ok. now ask yourself how many of us perform that kind of job. (you're making some poor assumptions)

 

[-OZ-]

Do you have to work a minimum number of hours in a day?

This exemplifies the main break in logic in this thread. In most (salaried) jobs I've had, the employer either didn't care if I left early or I worked more than the minimum anyway. In the other, a fair amount of time was spent waiting for others to get me information. During that time I would surf the net, as would everyone else. Aside from cleaning the office, there wasn't much more we could do.

 

[Domination]

As a non-coffee drinker I would like to see a study on how much the act of drinking, making, walking to the machine, and talking about coffee has on the economy. My guess is $1.1 Billion a day...but I may be low balling it.LAUNCH

I got two words for you: SMOKING BREAKS

I work for a company that banned smoking on any of their grounds. Therefore all smokers are required to go offsite to fulfill the need of their habit. On average to go out ot your car, go offsite, smoke a cig or two, and come back and get to work. You are looking at about 15 mins per smoke break. I think that most go out at least 3 times a day, and that equals 45 mins per day! I know that myself and probably most others do not spend that much time with FF at work on company time. Even if you don't have to go offsite like at my work, it is still at least 5 mins per smoke break, and you probably will go more than 3 times a day because it is more accessable.