Joe Mixon's lawyers release video of RB punching female student in '14 (1 Viewer)

[Interseptopus]

Watching the video again, I don't think she did anything wrong.  I take back my previous comments questioning her actions.  

Her friends were being bullied.  She, overestimating Mixon's character, took up for her friends, likely thinking they were more at risk than she was.  But Mixon's a bully and can't have that.  She stood up for her friends, after first trying to evade and ignore Mixon, and I respect that.  

Violence/physically assaulting someone is never right. Clearly a DA and Judge agree if she was a mutual combatant. 

You say you don't understand the point I'm trying to make. I'm trying to make the point that the judge made in this case; she was a mutual participant in this. 

Yes, he over matched her. However, you've made Saber's point... she stood up to him thinking nothing would happen because she's a girl. Yeah, Mixon's a turd and his actions prove that, but she was just as stupid saying whatever she said and physically assaulting someone bigger than her thinking a moral code would protect her. I know for myself, I'd never approach a muscle head and try to pick a physical fight with him, no matter what he was saying to my friends. Walk away, again. If he doesn't leave you alone, go home. 

 

[Concept Coop]

Violence/physically assaulting someone is never right. Clearly a DA and Judge agree if she was a mutual combatant. 

You say you don't understand the point I'm trying to make. I'm trying to make the point that the judge made in this case; she was a mutual participant in this. 

Yes, he over matched her. However, you've made Saber's point... she stood up to him thinking nothing would happen because she's a girl. Yeah, Mixon's a turd and his actions prove that, but she was just as stupid saying whatever she said and physically assaulting someone bigger than her thinking a moral code would protect her. I know for myself, I'd never approach a muscle head and try to pick a physical fight with him, no matter what he was saying to my friends. Walk away, again. If he doesn't leave you alone, go home. 

I'm not trying to have a legal conversation.  Her fight of flight kicked in and she tried to protect her friends from a bully.  I hope I'd have the courage to do the same, you think that makes her stupid.  Clearly we are two very different people and are not likely to change each others minds.  Maybe we should move on.  

 

[Interseptopus]

I'm not trying to have a legal conversation.  Her fight of flight kicked in and she tried to protect her friends from a bully.  I hope I'd have the courage to do the same, you think that makes her stupid.  Clearly we are two very different people and are not likely to change each others minds.  Maybe we should move on.  

You poke the bees nest and then it's the bee's fault for stinging you. But you're brave for doing so. Got it.

Such a contradiction... he's a bully and an idiot because he's so much bigger and stronger than her, so for him to use excessive force against a poor meek woman is barbaric... but her assaulting someone who is bigger and stronger and who could use excessive force and break her face is brave... 

In my opinion, they're both stupid and they both likely got what was eventually going to come to them some day as both of them have a terribly bad lack of judgement. 
 

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

I'm aghast by a grown ### man thinking it's OK to use full force on a woman in a situation like this.

I'm saddened that some think this is excuseable under extenuating circumstance when all logic, common sense, and every social norms since you were 5 dictated that there is no excuse for hitting a female.

I'm disgusted with society that the business of sports takes precedent and will sweep this under a rug with minimum repercussions or lessons doled out so that others in the future won't make the same heinous decision this ######## made.

My faith in humanity is also such that I know no one will remember or care about this in weeks or months. 

Merry fn Xmas.

 

[Concept Coop]

You poke the bees nest and then it's the bee's fault for stinging you. But you're brave for doing so. Got it.

Such a contradiction... he's a bully and an idiot because he's so much bigger and stronger than her, so for him to use excessive force against a poor meek woman is barbaric... but her assaulting someone who is bigger and stronger and who could use excessive force and break her face is brave... 

In my opinion, they're both stupid and they both likely got what was eventually going to come to them some day as both of them have a terribly bad lack of judgement. 
 

I'm happy there are so few of you, but it's still kind of scary that you're out there. 

 

[Sabertooth]

Here's what happened: Joe Mixon knocked a girl out cold because he lost his temper.  

After she attacked him. It's not an insignificant fact.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm aghast by a grown ### man thinking it's OK to use full force on a woman in a situation like this.

I'm saddened that some think this is excuseable under extenuating circumstance when all logic, common sense, and every social norms since you were 5 dictated that there is no excuse for hitting a female.

I'm disgusted with society that the business of sports takes precedent and will sweep this under a rug with minimum repercussions or lessons doled out so that others in the future won't make the same heinous decision this ######## made.

My faith in humanity is also such that I know no one will remember or care about this in weeks or months. 

Merry fn Xmas.

Nobody said it was excusable.  But don't let that stop you.  

 

[Interseptopus]

I'm aghast by a grown ### man thinking it's OK to use full force on a woman in a situation like this.

I'm saddened that some think this is excuseable under extenuating circumstance when all logic, common sense, and every social norms since you were 5 dictated that there is no excuse for hitting a female.

I'm disgusted with society that the business of sports takes precedent and will sweep this under a rug with minimum repercussions or lessons doled out so that others in the future won't make the same heinous decision this ######## made.

My faith in humanity is also such that I know no one will remember or care about this in weeks or months. 

Merry fn Xmas.

Reading is fun...

no one ever said it was ok. in fact in about every other post of mine I said he is a loser and shouldn't have hit her, just because I knew people like you wouldn't read everything and out words in my mouth.

but by all means, continue your misconceptions 

 

[Interseptopus]

I'm happy there are so few of you, but it's still kind of scary that you're out there. 

lol. that moment when you know they have no argument against your points so they say things like this

to say she is brave because she stood up and violently attacked a man that could hurt her extremely bad... I just can't understand. shes a fool. 

i hope one day my daughters have the bravery it takes to walk away from a situation like this, several times if needed, and to know that it is NEVER ok to initiate violence and physically assault someone. only in self defense is it okay and this was not the case for this foolish girl. it takes great bravery to stand up to a bully but it can be erased with a foolish decision such as to make it a physical altercation.

and I hope one day a son of mine knows it is never ok to hit a girl, again unless in self defense. I hope he can understand that although there are hateful people out there that can say hurtful things, that it's never okay to resort to violence. 

Merry Christmas coop. good discussion. I'm done here. onto football talk, as I have a championship to win 

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Here's a video of a woman getting her face broken. Now, the "objective" way to approach this is to think of reasons why it might have been her fault. Good job guys.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

And you know this University is super against violence towards women, right? But it would be just plain mean to take away Mixon's scholarship.

Yeah, Coach Stoops saw the video of her lying in her own blood 2 years ago. Btw the booster club can count on you for some more cashola, yeah? Cool.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Here's a video of a woman getting her face broken. Now, the "objective" way to approach this is to think of reasons why it might have been her fault. Good job guys.

It's possible for both people in an altercation to be total ###holes.  One does not preclude the other.

 

[OU#1]

This really needs to be in the FFA, as this has really nothing to do with FFB at this point.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think there is plenty of culpability here and the criminal case bore that out.  Don't hit people is the lesson.  

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

The criminal case where he did not admit any criminal act, yes. Fortunately he will do community service, ensuring he's learned a lesson.

 

[Sabertooth]

Yes.  Gotta love lawyers.  They are almost as bad as internet White Knights.  

 

[G-King]

This POS is gonna follow the Lawrence Phillips Playbook of Life. Good riddance.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Very disturbing stuff.   I feel like there is probably so much more to the story that we don't know.   With that being said--it seems pretty obvious to me that there is blatant stupidity and fault by both parties in involved here.   He certainly has no excuse for using that kind of substantial and excessive force in response to her moderately aggressive action.   I also don't like how he just trots away as if nothing happened.  The entire thing is sickening.   He's a major doosh and she's not fully innocent either in my opinion. 

 

[Da Guru]

I worked in a nightclub in college.  Too many times to remember little drunks would pull much of the same crap you saw in that video to some of the employees.  If they were a women or a smaller man we would just grab them in a bear hug and pick them up and set them outside.

Mixon never walked away from the encounter..I have no issue with him physically shoving her away. To land a blow like that to her face and head that busted 4 bones in her face and could have killed her is inexcusable. 

10 years ago he would have been drafted and played but  I doubt he will ever see the field in todays NFL that is so concerned with their faux "image"

 

[Hankmoody]

Good thing no one's discussing child rea up in this joint.

 

[BigTex]

Regarding 2, what unseen footage would justify his reaction?  I can't think of a single thing.

After she threw the food and my plateware at me she charged me tried to choke me but without thinking I grabbed her, picked her up and shoved her towards the front door. For a split second I felt threatened and just reacted but I quickly realized that I could not punch her which I nearly did. She wasn't a small woman, she was on the heavy side. If someone would have started taping at the point when I grabbed her it would have totally made me looked like I was attacking her. When she was laying on the floor she was still screaming, causing a scene saying how she was going to sue me. I do have a lot of video to show that she was completely out of control and I had no other option but to defend myself. She was such a distraction that I had guest running out the front door saying that they would never come back. 

Im not saying his actions are justified in any way but I bet there's more to this story than what we've seen. It's a different story when someone is on drugs of any type and you can't reason with them. Personally I don't know Mixon or this lady and so I could care less about what happens to them out of this situation. We may never know the root cause of this situation but I'm not going to throw stones at anyone. It is what it is! 

Tex

 

[BigTex]

 So she read his mind?  

Why would you ask that?

Tex

 

[Concept Coop]

lol. that moment when you know they have no argument against your points so they say things like this

to say she is brave because she stood up and violently attacked a man that could hurt her extremely bad... I just can't understand. shes a fool. 

i hope one day my daughters have the bravery it takes to walk away from a situation like this, several times if needed, and to know that it is NEVER ok to initiate violence and physically assault someone. only in self defense is it okay and this was not the case for this foolish girl. it takes great bravery to stand up to a bully but it can be erased with a foolish decision such as to make it a physical altercation.

and I hope one day a son of mine knows it is never ok to hit a girl, again unless in self defense. I hope he can understand that although there are hateful people out there that can say hurtful things, that it's never okay to resort to violence. 

Merry Christmas coop. good discussion. I'm done here. onto football talk, as I have a championship to win 

It was lame and personal and I apologize for that.  But it's not that I don't have a case, it's that I literally can't comprehend your side, on a human level.  There's an empathy I'm trying to appeal to and it's just not hitting home with you.  A 120 pound woman tapping a 220 pound bully is not the common sense, human definition of assault or initiating violence.  That I live in a world where so many would argue that her actions justify or are deserving of what happened to her--it's actually kind of chilling.  

 

[Interseptopus]

It was lame and personal and I apologize for that.  But it's not that I don't have a case, it's that I literally can't comprehend your side, on a human level.  There's an empathy I'm trying to appeal to and it's just not hitting home with you.  A 120 pound woman tapping a 220 pound bully is not the common sense, human definition of assault or initiating violence.  That I live in a world with people who would argue that her actions justify or are deserving of what happened to her--it's actually kind of chilling.  

It wasn't tapping. Come on. Let's not whitewash this. She shoved him. She didn't tap him on his shoulders or chest. It is the legal definition assault. Assault is assault. A shove is assault as is a punch in the face (we can argue aggravated assault but clearly this was not the case in the eyes of the law). Her actions did initiate the violence, technically. He initiated the confrontation from what we can see in the video (again, we don't know what happened before the video). Here's the issue, had she not put her hands on him he likely would not have punched her in the face. We don't know this for sure, but we do know he punched her after she laid her hands on him. So we can only assume his actions were in direction response to hers, especially considering how knee-jerk it seemed

The fact that you think I am saying that her actions justify or are deserving of what happened to her means that you just aren't reading what I'm writing. I thought I laid this out a little better but I guess not. She shares some blame here. She didn't deserve it. It doesn't justify his actions or what happened to her. He was completely inappropriate. But she isn't some snowflake that just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. From a legal standpoint she is equal party to this. She took it to another level (physical) and unfortunately paid the price for it. 

From a human being/moral stand point, yeah he's a loser. I've said that in almost every post I've written on here. What he did was completely unacceptable and he is at a greater fault here from a moral standpoint. What she did was reasonable, I agree with you, but I don't think it was warranted and it is why the confrontation ended as it did. Again, if she just walked away she'd have a different college experience to reflect on. I think her actions were bad as well. His were way worse. But she's not completely innocent in this. That's the only point I was trying to make. Yes we should be furious at his actions and that is the main focus of the confrontation, but this is nowhere close to equal as him walking up to a random girl and punching her in the face. 

To repeat a previous made point, if he punched a male in the face, this wouldn't be an issue at all. Or if it was a female soccer player, this probably wouldn't be an issue. The only reason this is, is because it's a male hitting a female. Which, I agree, is egregious, but let's not let that cloud the facts of that actual fight; all of the fingers can't be pointed at him. I think the legal decision on this case validates this claim; she was equal party to the fight itself. Maybe that's where our disagreements stem. I look at this from a legal standpoint primarily, but I do condemn his behavior on a moral standpoint. Her behavior on a moral standpoint, yes shoving someone is morally acceptable. Standing up for yourself is good practice. However... escalating a fight to a physical level with someone with about 100 pounds on you is quite stupid and does often carry consequences. She was hoping the individual she was speaking to lived by a higher moral code than she did... unfortunately for her, he did not. You can't hide behind that though, and this example proves that. She obviously thought she could do anything to this guy and he wouldn't strike her. That is what my issue with her is

 

[nastynate]

He followed her and her friends into the restaurant to bully them, she then stood up for her male friend(s).  He clearly started everything up to her touching him.  He was being a bully and wanted to pick a fight that he had no chance of losing.  She stood up to him, and even though she posed no legitimate threat, he punched her in the face for doing so.  He's a bully, she stood up to him, and he knocked her out because of it. 

1. She waived him over to the table. That's the initial interaction that we have proof of, no?

2. It was reported this morning that it started outside and included an N-bomb from her friend, her blowing smoke in Mixon's face and Mixon using a gay slur.

While I'd never stick up for Mixon b/c what he did was clearly F'ed up, what she did was wrong as well. Plenty of blame to go to both parties and if I was either kids parents I'd be disappointed. I also think they both deserve a chance to earn trust and respect back over time.

 

[Blood Farmer]

How do you cheer for a player like this?  Second chance, yes second chance for mistake but not an intentional act of physical superiority that damages another human being.  I want my team to lose to your team that lack human morality.  That says a lot about the level of humanity of sports fans and reinforces those who have negative opinions towards sports and fans of sports teams.

It really ruins the positive aspects of sports:  teamwork, hard work, never give up, lose like a ethical human, win like an ethical human.  That goes out the window when teams profit from playing people like this and when fans cheer for them.

 

[Concept Coop]

Assault is assault. 

This is where we're just not going to see eye-to-eye.  It's not black and white for me.  I'm not able to lump her actions in with everything else that is considered assault.  She was put in a scary, awful situation by a bully and I think her actions were within the realm of normal behavior, considering the circumstances.  I don't question her actions.  I can empathize and put myself in that situation and in doing so, find no room to call her stupid or suggest she got what was coming to her.  

The fact that you think I am saying that her actions justify or are deserving of what happened to her means that you just aren't reading what I'm writing. 

You know that's not true.  I take "got what was coming" as just that.  If that's not what you meant, I could change the wording, but the point stands.  I simply can't relate to the below viewpoint (to pick one example).  

"In my opinion, they're both stupid and they both likely got what was eventually going to come to them some day as both of them have a terribly bad lack of judgement."

 

[fred_1_15301]

This is where we're just not going to see eye-to-eye.  It's not black and white for me.  I'm not able to lump her actions in with everything else that is considered assault.  She was put in a scary, awful situation by a bully and I think her actions were within the realm of normal behavior, considering the circumstances.  I don't question her actions.  I can empathize and put myself in that situation and in doing so, find no room to call her stupid or suggest she got what was coming to her.  

You know that's not true.  I take "got what was coming" as just that.  If that's not what you meant, I could change the wording, but the point stands.  I simply can't relate to the below viewpoint (to pick one example).  

"In my opinion, they're both stupid and they both likely got what was eventually going to come to them some day as both of them have a terribly bad lack of judgement."

If what NastyNate posted above is true, would that change your opinion at all?  What if she truly was the initiator and wasn't at all "put in a scary, awful situation"?

 

[Concept Coop]

1. She waived him over to the table. That's the initial interaction that we have proof of, no?

2. It was reported this morning that it started outside and included an N-bomb from her friend, her blowing smoke in Mixon's face and Mixon using a gay slur.

While I'd never stick up for Mixon b/c what he did was clearly F'ed up, what she did was wrong as well. Plenty of blame to go to both parties and if I was either kids parents I'd be disappointed. I also think they both deserve a chance to earn trust and respect back over time.

1.  He walked straight up to her male friends.  You can see it in the second view.  It's not like he was across the room when she waived (as in "goodbye; get out of here"), he was harassing her friends, a couple steps from the table.  Aside from walking in and out, he stayed within a few steps of the table.  

2.  Watch the two guys in the video.  They're both obviously scared ####less.  They won't even make eye contact with him.  I highly doubt one of those guys walked up to Joe Mixon and blew smoke in his face.  I also doubt Mixon's claims of her using the N-word.  

ETA:  I thought you said her friends blew smoke in his face.  If she did in fact do that, then yes, it was wrong.  I do question that, but don't claim certainty.  If you have a link that that report, I'd very much appreciate it.  

 

[Concept Coop]

If what NastyNate posted above is true, would that change your opinion at all?  What if she truly was the initiator and wasn't at all "put in a scary, awful situation"?

That's not what I see in the video and I commented on it below.  But to answer your question, I'd certainly question her actions and intentions if that was the case.  If she was trying to pick a fight or provoke or tease--certainly there's room to question and place blame.  But watching the videos, that's just not what I see. 

 

[fred_1_15301]

That's not what I see in the video and I commented on it below.  But to answer your question, I'd certainly question her actions and intentions if that was the case.  If she was trying to pick a fight or provoke or tease--certainly there's room to question and place blame.  But watching the videos, that's just not what I see. 

Fair enough.  I haven't watched the full video so can't/won't comment on that.  I have no interest in watching it.  

 

[Sabertooth]

How do you cheer for a player like this?  Second chance, yes second chance for mistake but not an intentional act of physical superiority that damages another human being.  I want my team to lose to your team that lack human morality.  That says a lot about the level of humanity of sports fans and reinforces those who have negative opinions towards sports and fans of sports teams.

It really ruins the positive aspects of sports:  teamwork, hard work, never give up, lose like a ethical human, win like an ethical human.  That goes out the window when teams profit from playing people like this and when fans cheer for them.

See Peterson, Adrian.

 

[steelers1080]

He probably needs a therapist and anger management.  

Also, this happened 2 years ago.  Can the NFL still punish this sort of thing? Officially I mean. I know he could be undrafted or shunned or whatever, but can they suspend him for this? 

 

[Concept Coop]

He probably needs a therapist and anger management.  

Also, this happened 2 years ago.  Can the NFL still punish this sort of thing? Officially I mean. I know he could be undrafted or shunned or whatever, but can they suspend him for this? 

I don't think the league itself can do anything.   He does need help and I hope he gets it.  

 

[Interseptopus]

This is where we're just not going to see eye-to-eye.  It's not black and white for me.  I'm not able to lump her actions in with everything else that is considered assault.  She was put in a scary, awful situation by a bully and I think her actions were within the realm of normal behavior, considering the circumstances.  I don't question her actions.  I can empathize and put myself in that situation and in doing so, find no room to call her stupid or suggest she got what was coming to her.  

You know that's not true.  I take "got what was coming" as just that.  If that's not what you meant, I could change the wording, but the point stands.  I simply can't relate to the below viewpoint (to pick one example).  

"In my opinion, they're both stupid and they both likely got what was eventually going to come to them some day as both of them have a terribly bad lack of judgement."

A couple of points on this:
1. It is black and white in the eyes of the law. Legally, if he did not hit her- if he had just let her push, slap, whatever to him and he walked away, he could have called the police and she could have been charged with assault depending on what the DA wanted to do. She certainly could have been arrested for assault. You cannot lay your hands on someone without their permission. 

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2. No, I am not saying she got what was coming to her. Or that she was asking for it. I am saying that both of them obviously have a large lack of judgement in their character. He thinks it is okay to hit a woman, at least at the time of this video. If it didn't happen at this point it probably was bound to happen someday, and still might be bound to happen for him. I hope he got or is getting help for this. She thinks it is okay to be violent with someone who is bigger than you, especially a male. At some point in their lives these two were bound to have their actions catch up with them. Similarly to a person who goes 15 MPH over the speed limit, eventually they are going to get caught, hurt, whatever. If you act recklessly you're going to get bit in the ### at some point. You obviously don't think she was reckless. You point out that she stood up to and got physical with a man who had her by about 100 pounds and is a divisional 1 athlete... I look at that as reckless behavior- to make it physical at least. She shouldn't let him bully her, but there are better ways to go about it than what she did. It ended the way it did because of her participation in escalating it. If it didn't happen now, it may have happened another time with another person not somewhat famous standing to make millions some day. 
 

 

[Football Jones]

1.  He walked straight up to her male friends.  You can see it in the second view.  It's not like he was across the room when she waived (as in "goodbye; get out of here"), he was harassing her friends, a couple steps from the table.  Aside from walking in and out, he stayed within a few steps of the table.  

2.  Watch the two guys in the video.  They're both obviously scared ####less.  They won't even make eye contact with him.  I highly doubt one of those guys walked up to Joe Mixon and blew smoke in his face.  I also doubt Mixon's claims of her using the N-word.  

ETA:  I thought you said her friends blew smoke in his face.  If she did in fact do that, then yes, it was wrong.  I do question that, but don't claim certainty.  If you have a link that that report, I'd very much appreciate it.  

I respect your opinion & I'm not picking a fight, but you're naive if you don't believe racial slurs were used. Local rumor has been pretty accurate from the get-go & everybody is saying the same thing. 

Also, she clearly waived him to the table, but I don't find that of particular importance either way. However, what I do find important is Mixon started to walk away & had done no physical harm to anybody. I'm sure he said something to tick her off as he turned to walk away (likely a homophobic slur), but she immediately went for the push as he was walking away. Nobody can tell me she doesn't have culpability.

 

[Football Jones]

As some have already indicated, the initial argument took place outside. Heated words were exchanged (racial & gay slurs).

She waived him to the table to tell him off. Period. Mixon likely used a gay slur, then turned to walk away. It could've ended there. Molitor had a few too many which likely contributed to her poor decision to go after Mixon physically.

That said, Mixon was clearly in the wrong. He could've handled her physical attack so much better. Hopefully, both kids learn from their mistakes. I don't think either one is a bad person.

Racial slurs, gay slurs, lots of tension. Emotions can get the best of people, especially at that age.

 

[mcd]

Pulled from an article link posted by Faust in another draft thread, from Tony Pauline on the Draft Analysis site.

The video tape of Joe Mixon punching an Oklahoma student has garnered the lion’s share of the headlines and many are asking, “What’s next?” For months now, I’ve been informed the OU running back was leaning towards entering the draft, as those in his inner circle asked for my opinion. I was consistently steadfast in my belief Mixon should return to Oklahoma for a variety of reasons. Since the release of the video, general managers around the league have told those close to Mixon he won’t get drafted, there’s a possibility he won’t be signed as a free agent and he may not even receive an invitation to the combine should he declare for the draft.

His best and possibly only option at this point is returning to Oklahoma, if that’s even possible. There were two consistent themes throughout my conversations on the topic this weekend: Mixon was given bad advice staying silent over the issue and it would’ve been better had the tape been released two years ago.

 

[Sabertooth]

Judgment doesn't appear to be his strong suit.  Enjoy working at foot locker Joe.  

 

[jabarony]

After she threw the food and my plateware at me she charged me tried to choke me but without thinking I grabbed her, picked her up and shoved her towards the front door. For a split second I felt threatened and just reacted but I quickly realized that I could not punch her which I nearly did. She wasn't a small woman, she was on the heavy side. If someone would have started taping at the point when I grabbed her it would have totally made me looked like I was attacking her. When she was laying on the floor she was still screaming, causing a scene saying how she was going to sue me. I do have a lot of video to show that she was completely out of control and I had no other option but to defend myself. She was such a distraction that I had guest running out the front door saying that they would never come back. 

Im not saying his actions are justified in any way but I bet there's more to this story than what we've seen. It's a different story when someone is on drugs of any type and you can't reason with them. Personally I don't know Mixon or this lady and so I could care less about what happens to them out of this situation. We may never know the root cause of this situation but I'm not going to throw stones at anyone. It is what it is! 

Tex

I'm asking about Mixon and this specific incident.  What could have happened, say, 30 seconds before the video that would explain away his punching the girl?  If he felt he was in danger from some incident just prior, why did he approach the table?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I understand the rule of chivalry in this regard is that one never strikes a lady or a minor female.  The rule does not apply to hell #####es or self righteous entitled #####es using ones sense of chivalry as a sword rather than enjoying it as a shield. How that applies in the instance under discussion I do not know as I do not have all of the facts.

My initial take is that she should not have escalated the situation from words to a physical confrontation which it appears she did by being the first on the video to lay hands upon another.  She was in a public place with help available and presumably the ability to call police.  No need, other than indulging her own sense of righteousness, for her to have pushed and then slapped him.

He had the right to defend himself using reasonable force.  In my estimation a football player, a world class athlete far larger than his female assailant could have very safely have done so without delivery of a haymaker.  Whatever right he had he exceeded, massively,  turning from minor victim to aggressor.  He did what she did, he indulged his passion, his sense of self righteousness.

Looked to me as if the table got its blow in as she went down.

I believe he should make her whole on medical bills.  I believe her instigation should negate her receiving any punitive damages.  This is not necessarily my take as a lawyer, just my personal belief being expressed. Good luck to both of these young people, I hope they grow as people.

 

[Concept Coop]

I respect your opinion & I'm not picking a fight, but you're naive if you don't believe racial slurs were used. Local rumor has been pretty accurate from the get-go & everybody is saying the same thing. 

Also, she clearly waived him to the table, but I don't find that of particular importance either way. However, what I do find important is Mixon started to walk away & had done no physical harm to anybody. I'm sure he said something to tick her off as he turned to walk away (likely a homophobic slur), but she immediately went for the push as he was walking away. Nobody can tell me she doesn't have culpability.

In order for me to be naive, I'd need to have access to the same information as you.  I've heard nothing of racial slurs that didn't come from Mixon's camp.  If you have a link suggesting it from different sources, I'd greatly appreciate it.  But until I hear it from anyone but Mixon, I'm not putting too much stock in it.  

Watching it again, she did waive him over.  My mistake there.  I thought she was waiving in a "goodbye" motion--and I was wrong.  She waived him over, he says something, she pushes him.  She shouldn't  have waived him over and shouldn't have pushed him.  

 

[Interseptopus]

In order for me to be naive, I'd need to have access to the same information as you.  I've heard nothing of racial slurs that didn't come from Mixon's camp.  If you have a link suggesting it from different sources, I'd greatly appreciate it.  But until I hear it from anyone but Mixon, I'm not putting too much stock in it.  

Watching it again, she did waive him over.  My mistake there.  I thought she was waiving in a "goodbye" motion--and I was wrong.  She waived him over, he says something, she pushes him.  She shouldn't  have waived him over and shouldn't have pushed him.  

I've heard nothing of gay slurs that didn't come from Molitor's camp. Your point? 

 

[Interseptopus]

I understand the rule of chivalry in this regard is that one never strikes a lady or a minor female.  The rule does not apply to hell #####es or self righteous entitled #####es using ones sense of chivalry as a sword rather than enjoying it as a shield. How that applies in the instance under discussion I do not know as I do not have all of the facts.

My initial take is that she should not have escalated the situation from words to a physical confrontation which it appears she did by being the first on the video to lay hands upon another.  She was in a public place with help available and presumably the ability to call police.  No need, other than indulging her own sense of righteousness, for her to have pushed and then slapped him.

He had the right to defend himself using reasonable force.  In my estimation a football player, a world class athlete far larger than his female assailant could have very safely have done so without delivery of a haymaker.  Whatever right he had he exceeded, massively,  turning from minor victim to aggressor.  He did what she did, he indulged his passion, his sense of self righteousness.

Looked to me as if the table got its blow in as she went down.

I believe he should make her whole on medical bills.  I believe her instigation should negate her receiving any punitive damages.  This is not necessarily my take as a lawyer, just my personal belief being expresses. Good luck to both of these young people, I hope they grow as people.

Said that a lot better in one post than what I was trying to do in about 50. Thank you

 

[Concept Coop]

I've heard nothing of gay slurs that didn't come from Molitor's camp. Your point? 

Mixon didn't deny that claim; Molitor did.  My point: I think he's lying.  

 

[Interseptopus]

Mixon didn't deny that claim; Molitor did.  My point: I think he's lying.  

So you won't believe that she used a racial slur because there are no facts that state that he did, outside of a he said she said scenario. But, you don't hold that same standard to her claim of a gay slur, just because he didn't deny it? That's the same he said she said... smh...

Your opinion is clouding your judgement. If you're going to only believe facts that are corroborated with a second party/witness or admitted to on both sides you should probably stay consistent in that matter. You're obviously seeing what yuo want to see her. If you were consistent you'd say, yeah he didn't admit to it either and no witnesses have said that he used a gay slur. 

If you have a link suggesting it from different sources, I'd greatly appreciate it.  But until I hear it from anyone but Molitor, I'm not putting too much stock in it.  

 

[Concept Coop]

So you won't believe that she used a racial slur because there are no facts that state that he did, outside of a he said she said scenario. But, you don't hold that same standard to her claim of a gay slur, just because he didn't deny it? That's the same he said she said... smh...

Your opinion is clouding your judgement. If you're going to only believe facts that are corroborated with a second party/witness or admitted to on both sides you should probably stay consistent in that matter. You're obviously seeing what yuo want to see her. If you were consistent you'd say, yeah he didn't admit to it either and no witnesses have said that he used a gay slur. 

If you have a link suggesting it from different sources, I'd greatly appreciate it.  But until I hear it from anyone but Molitor, I'm not putting too much stock in it.  

Not interested in the ad hominem stuff.  

 

[brewer]

This girl might be the most vile person on the planet.  Racial slurs, taunts, pushes... I really don't care.  You can't do what Mixon did. Provide any evidence you wish.  You may prove that the girl is a bad person.  What I witnessed in the video proves that Joe is.

 

[Interseptopus]

Not interested in the ad hominem stuff.  

I'm just pointing out your inconsistencies... You are holding Mixon to a standard that you are not holding Molitor because you obviously sympathize with her. This struck a chord with you, which is why you started this thread to begin with I assume, and you cannot fathom how anyone would view her actions as anything but bravery. 

You think Mixon is lying about the racial slur, but you don't know. No one else has said that she did call him a racial slur. So you conclude it didn't happen, because you think he is lying. But to justify your view on this you are asking for facts, corroboration from other sources. 

On the other side of that coin: You think Molitor is telling the truth about a gay slur, but you don't know. No one has said that he did use a gay slur. You still conclude it happened because how could a sweet innocent white girl lie, right? To justify your view on this... well, I guess you just can't because even in this case there are no facts or corroboration from other sources. 

The fact that you can't see (or don't care about) your own double standard in this case is astonishing... 

 

[Pwingles]

How would this topic be going if he hit another man? Same situation, but the woman in this case was a man.