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[Jeff Pasquino]

Matt Moore is not a bad option long term.

He looked quite good in preseason with the Cowboys, who wanted to put him on the PS but had to cut him first.

The Panthers took him off waivers and stashed him away themselves.

Now he's the #2, and he did come into the game yesterday and did not look uncomfortable at all.

Don't be surprised if he gets some work before the year is out.

Oh, and I like David Carr.

 

[Gr00vus]

What's Aaron Brooks doing these days anyway?

 

[FavreCo]

Instant benifactors of the sucktitude of David Carr at the helm?

Foster and DeAngelo Williams via the dumpoff pass.

Next: the TE.

Losers as a result of Delhomme: #2 WR is a complete zero which in CAR's case, that is no change. Smith as you saw him this past week. Forget 2 TD, 10 catch, 150+ games. Forget 50+ yard TD's unless there is some fluke like a defender falling down or an absolutely spectacular run by Smith. The OL. John Fox. Panther fans.

 

[FavreCo]

Oh, and I like David Carr.

That's funny. Now if you are serious, can you give me all the fantastic qualities of why this guy is a soon to be all-time great? Ok, give me a few reasons this guy will perform above average. No? Then how about a couple reasons this guy will give the Panthers a chance to win a few games.

 

[Tau837]

I'm intrigued by the thought of Plummer and/or Brooks. Sure, I know all about the problems each of them have had, but each have also played well at times. And, importantly, they are not too old, like many of the other suggestions (George, Vinny), nor are they far removed from playing, especially Jake.

I have no idea if they could get Jake to come out of retirement - don't I recall that he almost balked at being traded? But if so, I would think they should try to sign him to an incentive-laden deal right now.

 

[Capella]

Good news for the Bucs

Way to cheer an injury Capella. All class.

Pretty sure he's not going to die, and it helps the Bucs, so I'm ok with it.

 

[mrspree15]

I felt like Matt Moore showed more in 1 pass than Carr has. Moore dropped a nicely placed deep pass over the middle and let Colbert go get it (and win).

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Is he not day to day now?

 

[Gr00vus]

I'm intrigued by the thought of Plummer and/or Brooks. Sure, I know all about the problems each of them have had, but each have also played well at times. And, importantly, they are not too old, like many of the other suggestions (George, Vinny), nor are they far removed from playing, especially Jake.I have no idea if they could get Jake to come out of retirement - don't I recall that he almost balked at being traded? But if so, I would think they should try to sign him to an incentive-laden deal right now.

I think Jake still has strings attached - something would have to be worked out with DEN or TB, I'm not sure who has his rights at this point.As I recall Brooks was outright released, so it would be less paperwork hassle to bring him in. I figure he could do allright slinging it to Steve Smith. I just don't know if Fox would put up with his attitude, or what kind of shape he'd be in right now. Strange that he's completely dropped out of the league.

 

[flufhed]

Carr is better than Brooks.

 

[Gr00vus]

Carr is better than Brooks.

I'm going to go ahead and say you're absolutely 100% wrong here. I feel good about that.

 

[Native]

:(

 

[Peak]

I felt like Matt Moore showed more in 1 pass than Carr has. Moore dropped a nicely placed deep pass over the middle and let Colbert go get it (and win).

How long before the "Start Moore" chants begin in Charlotte? They have a bye in week 7. Perhaps Fox will shake up the QB situation if Carr sucks it up this week vs AZ?

 

[jchapman70]

Is he not day to day now?

 

[Buckna]

From FavreCo's link to the Carr threads:

I hope Schaub learned some of Vicks moves....with that O-line he's gonna need it......maybe they can spend of few of their picks this year on a couple of O-lineman.

Only people that don't follow the team think their line is bad. Its not great, but its not bad.

So, 249 sacks in 5 years were all his fault?

Well, in 2005 they gave up 68 sacks, in 2006 it was 43 - T23rd. Not good, but again not horrible. If Spencer returns, they'll have 2 second year starters and solid depth for the first time in the franchise history. So yes, the line needs to improve, but on a team that is overall bad, it wasn't a true weak spot.

The Texans have a relatively mediocre pass-blocking line - 23rd out of 32 is not good overall. It's relatively a good line for them, since they have absolutely sucked as pass blocking for 5 years. The point I am trying to make is this:If you give Carr & the Texans a mulligan for the first season - Carr has been sacked at the same rate as the other QB's on the team.

Anyone who thinks Carr is the driving force behind this problem needs their head examined - he may be part of the problem along with Banks, Rosenfels, etc all being bad at avoiding the sack, but the frankly the OL has stunk over the entire Texans history.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the OL gel this year in year 2 of Kubiak's system and for people to think it's Schaub > Carr that is causing the change. As mentioned they finally seem to have some sort of depth, and some returning young guys.

Schaub and the Texans o'line is currently on pace for 26 total sacks for the season.

Carr blows.

 

[Warhogs]

I would be completely surprised if Carolina did not give David Carr the rest of the season to prove/disprove himself. Most people posting here are bashing Carr way too much. I don't expect numbers good enough to be a starter from him but I think he will be a serviceable backup this season.

 

[simsarge]

That whoosing sound you hear is the sound of Steve Smith owners seasons swirling down the toilet.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Oh, and I like David Carr.

That's funny. Now if you are serious, can you give me all the fantastic qualities of why this guy is a soon to be all-time great?

Ok, give me a few reasons this guy will perform above average.

No? Then how about a couple reasons this guy will give the Panthers a chance to win a few games.

Only the last question deserves an answer:
Steve Smith > AJ
Carolina O line > Hou O line
He has two RBs that can catch
Mobility - he can run and get in the end zone on his ownAbout the only thing worse for Carr in Carrolina (sic) is that his TE is Jeff King, not Owen Daniels (not that King is a slouch).

While I don't expect Carr to throw for 300 yds or 3 TDs, he is a viable guy to hold down the fort. Given what Steve Smith can do, I think he alone can boost his numbers.

Carr just needs to have enough confidence and timing with Steve Smith to just throw it up to him and let him make a play. That's often what Jake D would do.

 

[gman8343]

What's Aaron Brooks doing these days anyway?

Probably still sucking.

 

[shadyridr]

The Rock Hill Herald believes David Carr may be in danger of missing Week 6.Carr had a chiropractic alignment done during Sunday's game just to get back onto the field, and took pills to suppress the pain. Undrafted rookie Matt Moore would likely get the nod against Arizona if Carr is too sore to play.

 

[PantherPower]

Oh, and I like David Carr.

That's funny. Now if you are serious, can you give me all the fantastic qualities of why this guy is a soon to be all-time great?

Ok, give me a few reasons this guy will perform above average.

No? Then how about a couple reasons this guy will give the Panthers a chance to win a few games.

Only the last question deserves an answer:
Steve Smith > AJ
Carolina O line > Hou O line
He has two RBs that can catch
Mobility - he can run and get in the end zone on his ownAbout the only thing worse for Carr in Carrolina (sic) is that his TE is Jeff King, not Owen Daniels (not that King is a slouch).

While I don't expect Carr to throw for 300 yds or 3 TDs, he is a viable guy to hold down the fort. Given what Steve Smith can do, I think he alone can boost his numbers.

Carr just needs to have enough confidence and timing with Steve Smith to just throw it up to him and let him make a play. That's often what Jake D would do.

Jeff I respect your opinions a LOT but have you watched Carr the last few weeks? He just looks HORRIBLE. He has absolutely zero poise in the pocket, has taken a lot of sacks, and just doesn't seem to have "it" It kinda reminds me of Patrick Ramsey after he took all those beatings with Spurrier. I hope you're right, I own Smith in 6 dynasty leagues, but I have very little confidence in Carr helping Smith reach his potential. He just looks like a scared QB out there...

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Oh, and I like David Carr.

That's funny. Now if you are serious, can you give me all the fantastic qualities of why this guy is a soon to be all-time great?

Ok, give me a few reasons this guy will perform above average.

No? Then how about a couple reasons this guy will give the Panthers a chance to win a few games.

Only the last question deserves an answer:
Steve Smith > AJ
Carolina O line > Hou O line
He has two RBs that can catch
Mobility - he can run and get in the end zone on his ownAbout the only thing worse for Carr in Carrolina (sic) is that his TE is Jeff King, not Owen Daniels (not that King is a slouch).

While I don't expect Carr to throw for 300 yds or 3 TDs, he is a viable guy to hold down the fort. Given what Steve Smith can do, I think he alone can boost his numbers.

Carr just needs to have enough confidence and timing with Steve Smith to just throw it up to him and let him make a play. That's often what Jake D would do.

Jeff I respect your opinions a LOT but have you watched Carr the last few weeks? He just looks HORRIBLE. He has absolutely zero poise in the pocket, has taken a lot of sacks, and just doesn't seem to have "it" It kinda reminds me of Patrick Ramsey after he took all those beatings with Spurrier. I hope you're right, I own Smith in 6 dynasty leagues, but I have very little confidence in Carr helping Smith reach his potential. He just looks like a scared QB out there...

Hi PantherPower,I respect your thoughts as well, and if you're saying from a Panther fan's perspective that you have seen Carr skittish, I would agree that he has at times. I haven't seen every snap so you likely have a leg up on me here. Maybe I'm giving too much weight to his history rather than his current state of mind.

Carr is still likely shell-shocked from Houston and would have been better served in Green Bay just to take the year off, but now he's back under center again. I think he can fix his issues and I'm willing to give him Week 6 to figure it out. If not, I could honestly see them going to Matt Moore.

It does say something about Carr that he returned from being carted off on Sunday.

He really just needs to throw it up to Steve Smith once or twice and see what happens.

 

[PantherPower]

I just read that some think Jake's injury could be the last we'll see of him in a Panther uniform. Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Delhomme will have the Tommy John procedure, which uses a tendon from elsewhere in the body to replace the ulnar collateral ligament.

Per Schefter, Delhomme will take his time to recover, miss 7-9 months of action, and will be healed in time for training camp.

Delhomme is under contract for two more seasons. He's due to earn a base salary of $3.69 million in 2008, and $5.325 million in 2009.

Another guy who SAYS his dad in surgeon in Carolina said that while the success rate for this surgery has improved over the last 20 years, its by no means a guarantee. I'm trying to decide if Jake is even worth holding on to in my dynasty leagues. It may be that the Panthers want to really ride it out with Carr, to figure out if they need to look elsewhere next year for their franchise QB if Jake doesn't return.

I'm really bummed.

 

[TommyGilmore]

The Rock Hill Herald believes David Carr may be in danger of missing Week 6.Carr had a chiropractic alignment done during Sunday's game just to get back onto the field, and took pills to suppress the pain. Undrafted rookie Matt Moore would likely get the nod against Arizona if Carr is too sore to play.

 

[H.K.]

I think Chris Weinke is available. Not a great option, but there is no doubt he knows the system.

How does he know the system? Is Dan Henning is coming back as offensive coordinator?

 

[Avery]

I think Chris Weinke is available. Not a great option, but there is no doubt he knows the system.

How does he know the system? Is Dan Henning is coming back as offensive coordinator?

Well, he knows where the locker room is.

 

[Billy Pilgrim]

It does say something about Carr that he returned from being carted off on Sunday.

What does this say? I'll give him some credit for his tenacity, but he is one of the worst QB's I have ever seen in the pocket. He practically caused his own injury, by turning around and running backwards when he was under pressure instead of stepping up or trying to get rid of the football. This is his 6th year, and I can't imagine him being able to turn things around. As a Carolina homer, I would love to eat crow on that statement but I would bet my mortgage on it. Matt Moore is actually a better option at this point.

 

[FavreCo]

It does say something about Carr that he returned from being carted off on Sunday.

What does this say? I'll give him some credit for his tenacity, but he is the worst QB anyone has ever seen in the pocket. He practically caused his own injury, by turning around and running backwards when he was under pressure instead of stepping up or trying to get rid of the football. This is his 6th year, and I can't imagine him being able to turn things around. As a Carolina homer, I would love to eat crow on that statement but I would bet my mortgage on it. Matt Moore is actually a better option at this point.

Edited. I've seen this clown weekly for 4 years as an AJ owner. He actually got worse as time went on. I knew Schaub would prove the guy was an absolute hack as far as an NFL QB. He's really an embarrassment at the position. I really like how magically the Houston OL is protecting the QB now that he is gone. I wish I could remember that one Kubiak line about Carr where he said something like 'what do you think you were doing, this is the NFL and you do that?' It was a classic.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

It does say something about Carr that he returned from being carted off on Sunday.

What does this say? I'll give him some credit for his tenacity, but he is one of the worst QB's I have ever seen in the pocket. He practically caused his own injury, by turning around and running backwards when he was under pressure instead of stepping up or trying to get rid of the football. This is his 6th year, and I can't imagine him being able to turn things around. As a Carolina homer, I would love to eat crow on that statement but I would bet my mortgage on it. Matt Moore is actually a better option at this point.

Now that statement I could get on board with..... super sleeper here.