Jonas Gray (RB - New England) (1 Viewer)

[Jerry Curl]

Grab him now. JMO. Could easily get 8 TD's and 600 by season's end. Nice RB2 or 3.

Could really easily get a zero every week.

 

[LongTimeSufferingVikingFan]

Grab him now. JMO. Could easily get 8 TD's and 600 by season's end. Nice RB2 or 3.

Could really easily get a zero every week.

True it is a BB team we are talking about. But he clearly looks like the one to take over Ridley's role going forward. I'm buying.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Grab him now. JMO. Could easily get 8 TD's and 600 by season's end. Nice RB2 or 3.

Could really easily get a zero every week.

Nope.

 

[need2know]

Sims or gray as the top ww rb this week?

 

[flapgreen]

Grab him now. JMO. Could easily get 8 TD's and 600 by season's end. Nice RB2 or 3.

Could really easily get a zero every week.

You would think people would learn by now

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

That there's a role in the Patriots' offense for a big back and that in the last five years BJGE, Ridley and Blount have all put up RB2ish type numbers in that role?

 

[rascal]

Wouldn't start him this week either way

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

That there's a role in the Patriots' offense for a big back and that in the last five years BJGE, Ridley and Blount have all put up RB2ish type numbers in that role?

How sold are you on Gray staying as the big back guy and getting double digit carries each week?

 

[need2know]

Game flow will dictate. Feels like a vereen game coming up

 

[Jerry Curl]

Grab him now. JMO. Could easily get 8 TD's and 600 by season's end. Nice RB2 or 3.

Could really easily get a zero every week.

You would think people would learn by now

Learn what?

 

[steelers1080]

Sims or gray as the top ww rb this week?

Sims, not close.

Main reasoning. TB really liked Sims coming into the season and they inherited the other 2 backs whom they don't seem to like. The other is a NE running back...

 

[PatsWillWin]

Grab him now. JMO. Could easily get 8 TD's and 600 by season's end. Nice RB2 or 3.

Could really easily get a zero every week.

Grab him now. JMO. Could easily get 8 TD's and 600 by season's end. Nice RB2 or 3.

Could really easily get a zero every week.

Extremely unlikely he puts up a single zero for the rest of the season (injuries aside).

 

[Jerry Curl]

Sims or gray as the top ww rb this week?

Sims, not close.

Main reasoning. TB really liked Sims coming into the season and they inherited the other 2 backs whom they don't seem to like. The other is a NE running back...

TB RBs are not doing anything because the line stinks and they are always losing, do you see that changing just because a rookie on IR all season is back? I sure hope not. While I have my doubts on Gray, he at least is playing on a team who does run and has a good team. What three headed monster you prefer a RB from? Martin, Sims and Rainey or Vereen Gray and Bolden? Keep it basic while choosing between the two.

 

[Banger]

Sims or gray as the top ww rb this week?

Sims, not close.

Main reasoning. TB really liked Sims coming into the season and they inherited the other 2 backs whom they don't seem to like. The other is a NE running back...

ya, I picked them both up last week but if I had to make a choice Sims is by far the best pickup for the rest of the year. TB seems to really like him and while Gray will likely get carries, it's just too unpredictable on a week to week basis. Gray may be a better plug in this week if you are looking for a one week play. After picking up Gray last week I'm going to try and package him up in a couple leagues to guys desperate for RBs.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

That there's a role in the Patriots' offense for a big back and that in the last five years BJGE, Ridley and Blount have all put up RB2ish type numbers in that role?

How sold are you on Gray staying as the big back guy and getting double digit carries each week?

For 2014, very. But I'm not confident anyone gets double-digit carries every week in that offense.

Still, we know what the big back role looks like. We've seen it for five years with three different backs. No reason not to project Gray for the same 11-12ppg in that role. Nice RB2/3 #s but with a lot of variance.

 

[Jerry Curl]

Grab him now. JMO. Could easily get 8 TD's and 600 by season's end. Nice RB2 or 3.

Could really easily get a zero every week.

Extremely unlikely he puts up a single zero for the rest of the season (injuries aside).

He did put up .6 just two weeks ago in my league.

 

[need2know]

Wonder if gray got more work than normal due to vereen s illness?

 

[Banger]

Sims or gray as the top ww rb this week?

Sims, not close.

Main reasoning. TB really liked Sims coming into the season and they inherited the other 2 backs whom they don't seem to like. The other is a NE running back...

TB RBs are not doing anything because the line stinks and they are always losing, do you see that changing just because a rookie on IR all season is back? I sure hope not. While I have my doubts on Gray, he at least is playing on a team who does run and has a good team. What three headed monster you prefer a RB from? Martin, Sims and Rainey or Vereen Gray and Bolden? Keep it basic while choosing between the two.

Look at Robinson and everyone was saying the same thing about a bad line and a bad team just last week and he has another 100+ yard game vs. a very good run defense last week. It happens every year that a guy from the Raiders or some bottom dweller rises to fantasy relevance. In the case of Sims it looks to be a perfect storm...the staff loves him, Martin is banged up, the guys in the role now have done nothing, and they are playing for next year. He's a good wr and runner so he can be a 3 down back and more importantly stay on the field when / if they are down. Look at the stretch run that Rainey had last year on this same crappy team down the stretch last year...he had 6 tds and some very good games over the last 6 weeks. I think the upside and chance for a feature role is far, far greater in the Sims situation.

 

[T with T]

I think Vereen gets 20 plus in ppr this week. Bounce back and I do think he was limited because of the illness. I remember looking at the paper on friday and he was missing practice with it so it was likely still bothering him later in to the week, not monday or tuesday so I think last week was an outlier and Vereen gets more work this week. He's hungry esp against a shootout VS Denver. Set the table folks.

 

[Bayhawks]

That there's a role in the Patriots' offense for a big back and that in the last five years BJGE, Ridley and Blount have all put up RB2ish type numbers in that role?

How sold are you on Gray staying as the big back guy and getting double digit carries each week?

For 2014, very. But I'm not confident anyone gets double-digit carries every week in that offense.

Still, we know what the big back role looks like. We've seen it for five years with three different backs. No reason not to project Gray for the same 11-12ppg in that role. Nice RB2/3 #s but with a lot of variance.

No reason, other than the fact that it's completely unpredictable.

Since the 2010 season, NE has played 72 games. In 35 of those games, the "big back" has failed to get 10 FF points. I'm sure there was at least 1 other instance where a big back scored 10, but failed to score 11. So, there is a perfectly valid reason not to project Gray for 11-12 FF points; it is a coin flip as to whether that will happen or not.

NE's "big back usage" isn't predictable (nor is it's usage of Vereen, for that matter). You can try to look at the matchups, you can try to predict when they'll have a lead and pound the ball vs when they'll need to throw more, you can try to predict when they will run between the tackles vs on the edges, but what you should have learned from the last 5 years is not "the NE big back will get 11-12 ppg," but rather that you can't consistently predict the usage of NE RBs.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Grab him now. JMO. Could easily get 8 TD's and 600 by season's end. Nice RB2 or 3.

Could really easily get a zero every week.

Extremely unlikely he puts up a single zero for the rest of the season (injuries aside).

He did put up .6 just two weeks ago in my league.

Right, and nothing has changed since then.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Just add those short range TDs.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

That there's a role in the Patriots' offense for a big back and that in the last five years BJGE, Ridley and Blount have all put up RB2ish type numbers in that role?

How sold are you on Gray staying as the big back guy and getting double digit carries each week?

For 2014, very. But I'm not confident anyone gets double-digit carries every week in that offense.

Still, we know what the big back role looks like. We've seen it for five years with three different backs. No reason not to project Gray for the same 11-12ppg in that role. Nice RB2/3 #s but with a lot of variance.

No reason, other than the fact that it's completely unpredictable.Since the 2010 season, NE has played 72 games. In 35 of those games, the "big back" has failed to get 10 FF points. I'm sure there was at least 1 other instance where a big back scored 10, but failed to score 11. So, there is a perfectly valid reason not to project Gray for 11-12 FF points; it is a coin flip as to whether that will happen or not.

NE's "big back usage" isn't predictable (nor is it's usage of Vereen, for that matter). You can try to look at the matchups, you can try to predict when they'll have a lead and pound the ball vs when they'll need to throw more, you can try to predict when they will run between the tackles vs on the edges, but what you should have learned from the last 5 years is not "the NE big back will get 11-12 ppg," but rather that you can't consistently predict the usage of NE RBs.

Yes, NE's "Big Back" is typically less consistent than other guys in the RB25-30 range (maybe -- have you looked?), but he'll still get you 11-12ppg on average. Which is typically all I care about.

 

[Jerry Curl]

Grab him now. JMO. Could easily get 8 TD's and 600 by season's end. Nice RB2 or 3.

Could really easily get a zero every week.

Extremely unlikely he puts up a single zero for the rest of the season (injuries aside).

He did put up .6 just two weeks ago in my league.

Right, and nothing has changed since then.

Not really, he is still a NE RB coached by BB. He could be inactive this week. BB could roll with Bolden, Vereen and White. Just because some like him in fantasy does not mean BB cares.

 

[Bayhawks]

That there's a role in the Patriots' offense for a big back and that in the last five years BJGE, Ridley and Blount have all put up RB2ish type numbers in that role?

How sold are you on Gray staying as the big back guy and getting double digit carries each week?

For 2014, very. But I'm not confident anyone gets double-digit carries every week in that offense.

Still, we know what the big back role looks like. We've seen it for five years with three different backs. No reason not to project Gray for the same 11-12ppg in that role. Nice RB2/3 #s but with a lot of variance.

No reason, other than the fact that it's completely unpredictable.Since the 2010 season, NE has played 72 games. In 35 of those games, the "big back" has failed to get 10 FF points. I'm sure there was at least 1 other instance where a big back scored 10, but failed to score 11. So, there is a perfectly valid reason not to project Gray for 11-12 FF points; it is a coin flip as to whether that will happen or not.

NE's "big back usage" isn't predictable (nor is it's usage of Vereen, for that matter). You can try to look at the matchups, you can try to predict when they'll have a lead and pound the ball vs when they'll need to throw more, you can try to predict when they will run between the tackles vs on the edges, but what you should have learned from the last 5 years is not "the NE big back will get 11-12 ppg," but rather that you can't consistently predict the usage of NE RBs.

Yes, NE's "Big Back" is typically less consistent than other guys in the RB25-30 range (maybe -- have you looked?), but he'll still get you 11-12ppg on average. Which is typically all I care about.

That's all you care about? So, he gets you 19 points 1 week, but 3 the next week, and you're okay with being 1-1 those 2 weeks, because he averaged 11 ppg, as opposed to going with a RB who will consistently get you 11 FF ppg, and maybe lets you go 2-0 those 2 weeks? That's not very smart.

Again, you can try to figure it out, but sometimes NE's RB usage defies logic.

For example, starting Gray this week would seem to be a bad idea. Denver is likely going to score points, which means NE probably won't have the option of eating up clock with a power running game. Furthermore, Denver has allowed the 4th most FF points/game to opposing RBs via the passing game, while allowing the 12th fewest FF points/game via the running game.

These things would indicate that Gray would be less utilized and Vereen would be more utilized this week. But do you really want to risk starting Vereen or Gray?

 

[Van Dyman]

That there's a role in the Patriots' offense for a big back and that in the last five years BJGE, Ridley and Blount have all put up RB2ish type numbers in that role?

How sold are you on Gray staying as the big back guy and getting double digit carries each week?

For 2014, very. But I'm not confident anyone gets double-digit carries every week in that offense.

Still, we know what the big back role looks like. We've seen it for five years with three different backs. No reason not to project Gray for the same 11-12ppg in that role. Nice RB2/3 #s but with a lot of variance.

No reason, other than the fact that it's completely unpredictable.Since the 2010 season, NE has played 72 games. In 35 of those games, the "big back" has failed to get 10 FF points. I'm sure there was at least 1 other instance where a big back scored 10, but failed to score 11. So, there is a perfectly valid reason not to project Gray for 11-12 FF points; it is a coin flip as to whether that will happen or not.

NE's "big back usage" isn't predictable (nor is it's usage of Vereen, for that matter). You can try to look at the matchups, you can try to predict when they'll have a lead and pound the ball vs when they'll need to throw more, you can try to predict when they will run between the tackles vs on the edges, but what you should have learned from the last 5 years is not "the NE big back will get 11-12 ppg," but rather that you can't consistently predict the usage of NE RBs.

Yes, NE's "Big Back" is typically less consistent than other guys in the RB25-30 range (maybe -- have you looked?), but he'll still get you 11-12ppg on average. Which is typically all I care about.

That's all you care about? So, he gets you 19 points 1 week, but 3 the next week, and you're okay with being 1-1 those 2 weeks, because he averaged 11 ppg, as opposed to going with a RB who will consistently get you 11 FF ppg, and maybe lets you go 2-0 those 2 weeks? That's not very smart.

Just to play devil's advocate regarding the bold part above, the high variance guy (higher ceiling, lower floor) could also be the difference between them being 1-1 and 0-2 those two weeks.

 

[Bayhawks]

That there's a role in the Patriots' offense for a big back and that in the last five years BJGE, Ridley and Blount have all put up RB2ish type numbers in that role?

How sold are you on Gray staying as the big back guy and getting double digit carries each week?

For 2014, very. But I'm not confident anyone gets double-digit carries every week in that offense.

Still, we know what the big back role looks like. We've seen it for five years with three different backs. No reason not to project Gray for the same 11-12ppg in that role. Nice RB2/3 #s but with a lot of variance.

No reason, other than the fact that it's completely unpredictable.Since the 2010 season, NE has played 72 games. In 35 of those games, the "big back" has failed to get 10 FF points. I'm sure there was at least 1 other instance where a big back scored 10, but failed to score 11. So, there is a perfectly valid reason not to project Gray for 11-12 FF points; it is a coin flip as to whether that will happen or not.

NE's "big back usage" isn't predictable (nor is it's usage of Vereen, for that matter). You can try to look at the matchups, you can try to predict when they'll have a lead and pound the ball vs when they'll need to throw more, you can try to predict when they will run between the tackles vs on the edges, but what you should have learned from the last 5 years is not "the NE big back will get 11-12 ppg," but rather that you can't consistently predict the usage of NE RBs.

Yes, NE's "Big Back" is typically less consistent than other guys in the RB25-30 range (maybe -- have you looked?), but he'll still get you 11-12ppg on average. Which is typically all I care about.

That's all you care about? So, he gets you 19 points 1 week, but 3 the next week, and you're okay with being 1-1 those 2 weeks, because he averaged 11 ppg, as opposed to going with a RB who will consistently get you 11 FF ppg, and maybe lets you go 2-0 those 2 weeks? That's not very smart.

Just to play devil's advocate regarding the bold part above, the high variance guy (higher ceiling, lower floor) could also be the difference between them being 1-1 and 0-2 those two weeks.

True, but he could also put up 2 duds in a row, and you could be 0-2.

The point is that NE RB usage is more difficult to predict (in my experience) than other situations. Sometimes, with little advance warning, a RB gets no PT, then others, he gets an abnormally high workload.

It's not simply(RBA gets more work when they are up, RBb gets more work when they're trailing; as a result depending on a NE RB (in recent years) has been risky, and definitely not a situation where you can project him for 11-12 points a week.

 

[Van Dyman]

That there's a role in the Patriots' offense for a big back and that in the last five years BJGE, Ridley and Blount have all put up RB2ish type numbers in that role?

How sold are you on Gray staying as the big back guy and getting double digit carries each week?

For 2014, very. But I'm not confident anyone gets double-digit carries every week in that offense.

Still, we know what the big back role looks like. We've seen it for five years with three different backs. No reason not to project Gray for the same 11-12ppg in that role. Nice RB2/3 #s but with a lot of variance.

No reason, other than the fact that it's completely unpredictable.Since the 2010 season, NE has played 72 games. In 35 of those games, the "big back" has failed to get 10 FF points. I'm sure there was at least 1 other instance where a big back scored 10, but failed to score 11. So, there is a perfectly valid reason not to project Gray for 11-12 FF points; it is a coin flip as to whether that will happen or not.

NE's "big back usage" isn't predictable (nor is it's usage of Vereen, for that matter). You can try to look at the matchups, you can try to predict when they'll have a lead and pound the ball vs when they'll need to throw more, you can try to predict when they will run between the tackles vs on the edges, but what you should have learned from the last 5 years is not "the NE big back will get 11-12 ppg," but rather that you can't consistently predict the usage of NE RBs.

Yes, NE's "Big Back" is typically less consistent than other guys in the RB25-30 range (maybe -- have you looked?), but he'll still get you 11-12ppg on average. Which is typically all I care about.

That's all you care about? So, he gets you 19 points 1 week, but 3 the next week, and you're okay with being 1-1 those 2 weeks, because he averaged 11 ppg, as opposed to going with a RB who will consistently get you 11 FF ppg, and maybe lets you go 2-0 those 2 weeks? That's not very smart.

Just to play devil's advocate regarding the bold part above, the high variance guy (higher ceiling, lower floor) could also be the difference between them being 1-1 and 0-2 those two weeks.

True, but he could also put up 2 duds in a row, and you could be 0-2.

The point is that NE RB usage is more difficult to predict (in my experience) than other situations. Sometimes, with little advance warning, a RB gets no PT, then others, he gets an abnormally high workload.

It's not simply(RBA gets more work when they are up, RBb gets more work when they're trailing; as a result depending on a NE RB (in recent years) has been risky, and definitely not a situation where you can project him for 11-12 points a week.

Yes, I agree that NE RB is a higher variance, impossible to predict situation. I wasn't disputing that. Top teams wouldn't put that risk into their lineup. But, for other teams, higher ceilings are worth the risk. Cellar dwellar teams just hoping to play a "spoiler" role should embrace variance, not avoid it. Some bubble teams may benefit from that as well. I was thinking (but didn't communicate very well) that avoiding variance just isn't a good one-size-fits-all strategy for every fantasy situation.

 

[Bayhawks]

That there's a role in the Patriots' offense for a big back and that in the last five years BJGE, Ridley and Blount have all put up RB2ish type numbers in that role?

How sold are you on Gray staying as the big back guy and getting double digit carries each week?

For 2014, very. But I'm not confident anyone gets double-digit carries every week in that offense.

Still, we know what the big back role looks like. We've seen it for five years with three different backs. No reason not to project Gray for the same 11-12ppg in that role. Nice RB2/3 #s but with a lot of variance.

No reason, other than the fact that it's completely unpredictable.Since the 2010 season, NE has played 72 games. In 35 of those games, the "big back" has failed to get 10 FF points. I'm sure there was at least 1 other instance where a big back scored 10, but failed to score 11. So, there is a perfectly valid reason not to project Gray for 11-12 FF points; it is a coin flip as to whether that will happen or not.

NE's "big back usage" isn't predictable (nor is it's usage of Vereen, for that matter). You can try to look at the matchups, you can try to predict when they'll have a lead and pound the ball vs when they'll need to throw more, you can try to predict when they will run between the tackles vs on the edges, but what you should have learned from the last 5 years is not "the NE big back will get 11-12 ppg," but rather that you can't consistently predict the usage of NE RBs.

Yes, NE's "Big Back" is typically less consistent than other guys in the RB25-30 range (maybe -- have you looked?), but he'll still get you 11-12ppg on average. Which is typically all I care about.

That's all you care about? So, he gets you 19 points 1 week, but 3 the next week, and you're okay with being 1-1 those 2 weeks, because he averaged 11 ppg, as opposed to going with a RB who will consistently get you 11 FF ppg, and maybe lets you go 2-0 those 2 weeks? That's not very smart.

Just to play devil's advocate regarding the bold part above, the high variance guy (higher ceiling, lower floor) could also be the difference between them being 1-1 and 0-2 those two weeks.

True, but he could also put up 2 duds in a row, and you could be 0-2.

The point is that NE RB usage is more difficult to predict (in my experience) than other situations. Sometimes, with little advance warning, a RB gets no PT, then others, he gets an abnormally high workload.

It's not simply(RBA gets more work when they are up, RBb gets more work when they're trailing; as a result depending on a NE RB (in recent years) has been risky, and definitely not a situation where you can project him for 11-12 points a week.

Yes, I agree that NE RB is a higher variance, impossible to predict situation. I wasn't disputing that. Top teams wouldn't put that risk into their lineup. But, for other teams, higher ceilings are worth the risk. Cellar dwellar teams just hoping to play a "spoiler" role should embrace variance, not avoid it. Some bubble teams may benefit from that as well. I was thinking (but didn't communicate very well) that avoiding variance just isn't a good one-size-fits-all strategy for every fantasy situation.

I tend to avoid extreme variance in my players, but I know what you are saying. My original post was in response to the suggestion that (because of one game), Gray could be expected to average 11-12 ppg because that is what the "big back" in NE has done over the last few years.

Even if one game was enough to allow you to project that for Gray, in NE, there is a big difference between "averaging" 11-12 ppg, and actually scoring 11-12 points each game. The 19 and 3 example was just that, an example. It could just as easily be 3, 3, 27 or something like that.

 

[zamboni]

No sense in trying to figure out yet, but if Gray gets a lot of work next weekend and does well with it - without putting the ball on the ground - I think we will have some reasonable confirmation that Gray is going to be the hammer. Once Ridley got that job, there wasn't a whole lot of guesswork week to week until he starting fumbling, so the precedent is there.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Grab him now. JMO. Could easily get 8 TD's and 600 by season's end. Nice RB2 or 3.

Could really easily get a zero every week.

Extremely unlikely he puts up a single zero for the rest of the season (injuries aside).

He did put up .6 just two weeks ago in my league.

Right, and nothing has changed since then.

Not really, he is still a NE RB coached by BB. He could be inactive this week. BB could roll with Bolden, Vereen and White. Just because some like him in fantasy does not mean BB cares.

Right now Bolden is a key special teams players and White is basically Vereen's backup so I don't think you will see Gray inactive at all. Yes, the Patriots switch up their game plan on a weekly basis depending on their opponent more than any other team in the NFL. That said, I would watch the weather forecast for Sunday because a quick analysis would lean one to think Vereen is in line for a lot of touches but I think if it snows Gray might get a lot of work.

 

[Bayhawks]

No sense in trying to figure out yet, but if Gray gets a lot of work next weekend and does well with it - without putting the ball on the ground - I think we will have some reasonable confirmation that Gray is going to be the hammer. Once Ridley got that job, there wasn't a whole lot of guesswork week to week until he starting fumbling, so the precedent is there.

And even after this happened, 50% of the time, Ridley (or the other NE "big backs") failed to score 10 ff points.

 

[SameSongNDance]

What is everyone arguing about , Gray slides right into Ridley role and that comes with all the ups and downs that it had earlier in the year. I absolutely hate the match-up this week though for obvious reasons (DEN's rush def + game flow). I could easily see a stat line like 7/30/0.

 

[zamboni]

No sense in trying to figure out yet, but if Gray gets a lot of work next weekend and does well with it - without putting the ball on the ground - I think we will have some reasonable confirmation that Gray is going to be the hammer. Once Ridley got that job, there wasn't a whole lot of guesswork week to week until he starting fumbling, so the precedent is there.

And even after this happened, 50% of the time, Ridley (or the other NE "big backs") failed to score 10 ff points.

What period are you referring to?

 

[need2know]

What is everyone arguing about , Gray slides right into Ridley role and that comes with all the ups and downs that it had earlier in the year. I absolutely hate the match-up this week though for obvious reasons (DEN's rush def + game flow). I could easily see a stat line like 7/30/0.

So do you agree it feels like a vereen game this week?

 

[SameSongNDance]

What is everyone arguing about , Gray slides right into Ridley role and that comes with all the ups and downs that it had earlier in the year. I absolutely hate the match-up this week though for obvious reasons (DEN's rush def + game flow). I could easily see a stat line like 7/30/0.

So do you agree it feels like a vereen game this week?

Yes.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So if Martin is traded to New England, does he fill the medium back role?

 

[need2know]

So if Martin is traded to New England, does he fill the medium back role?

What makes you think they would trade for him? Guess he would just be depth. Vereen and gray know the system and are playing better than martin

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So if Martin is traded to New England, does he fill the medium back role?

What makes you think they would trade for him? Guess he would just be depth. Vereen and gray know the system and are playing better than martin

Rumors are swirling.

 

[Jerry Curl]

So if Martin is traded to New England, does he fill the medium back role?

What makes you think they would trade for him? Guess he would just be depth. Vereen and gray know the system and are playing better than martin

Rumors are swirling.

Rumors are always swirling.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I loath the thought of owning a Patriot RB again, but these are desperate times. Don't get your expectations to high fellas.

 

[IgglesFan]

Gray got the carries this week because the Pats were up by 5 touchdowns. Pretty simple...and very hard to predict. Most would have thought the Bears could have, at least, kept up with them to the tune of only being down a TD or two. Vereen would have been more relevant if that were the case.

This week, I sense a NE team that knows it will need to score to win. BB's ego is as large as my nutsack....and thats huge. He isn't gonna be the dope to try to try to play keep-away from Manning and the Broncos. He's gonna fight fire with fire.

Huge Vereen day on tap, not so much for Gray unless there is a goaline TD to be had.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

What is everyone arguing about , Gray slides right into Ridley role and that comes with all the ups and downs that it had earlier in the year. I absolutely hate the match-up this week though for obvious reasons (DEN's rush def + game flow). I could easily see a stat line like 7/30/0.

So do you agree it feels like a vereen game this week?

Or BB likes to try and take away the other team's best weapon. Instead of slinging it all over and getting Lafell, Vereen and Gronk 10 targets a piece, he runs the ground and pound to try and keep Peyton off the field in a day predicted to be somewhat cold, windy and possibly snow?

 

[rickyg]

this week's matchup with Denver screams vereen to me. Denver has been lights out at stuffing opposing running games. Ne is going to want to exploit their weakness which is the pass (good all around defense but better against the run than the pass).

I can see vereen getting a lot of usage between the 20's and gray maybe getting a shot or 2 at GL carries.

After Denver though there aren't a whole lot of prolific offenses and stifling run defenses on the schedule so I think gray will break out starting in week 11.

 

[humpback]

Gray got the carries this week because the Pats were up by 5 touchdowns. Pretty simple...and very hard to predict. Most would have thought the Bears could have, at least, kept up with them to the tune of only being down a TD or two. Vereen would have been more relevant if that were the case.

This week, I sense a NE team that knows it will need to score to win. BB's ego is as large as my nutsack....and thats huge. He isn't gonna be the dope to try to try to play keep-away from Manning and the Broncos. He's gonna fight fire with fire.

Huge Vereen day on tap, not so much for Gray unless there is a goaline TD to be had.

Except he had 9 of his 17 carries in the 1st qtr when it was either 0-0 or 7-0.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Gray got the carries this week because the Pats were up by 5 touchdowns.

Gonna have to show your work on this one.

 

[Bayhawks]

this week's matchup with Denver screams vereen to me. Denver has been lights out at stuffing opposing running games. Ne is going to want to exploit their weakness which is the pass (good all around defense but better against the run than the pass).

I can see vereen getting a lot of usage between the 20's and gray maybe getting a shot or 2 at GL carries.

After Denver though there aren't a whole lot of prolific offenses and stifling run defenses on the schedule so I think gray will break out starting in week 11.

Huh? Other than Miami, every team they play for the rest of the season has either a prolific offense and/or a top-10 run defense.

Denver-Great offense, #12 defense against runs by RB

Indy-Great offense

Detroit- #8 defense against runs by RB

Green Bay-Great offense

San Diego-Great offense, #9 defense against runs by RB

Miami- #16 against runs by RB

NYJ- #3 against runs by RB

Buffalo- #3 against runs by RB

 

[need2know]

Gray got the carries this week because the Pats were up by 5 touchdowns. Pretty simple...and very hard to predict. Most would have thought the Bears could have, at least, kept up with them to the tune of only being down a TD or two. Vereen would have been more relevant if that were the case.

This week, I sense a NE team that knows it will need to score to win. BB's ego is as large as my nutsack....and thats huge. He isn't gonna be the dope to try to try to play keep-away from Manning and the Broncos. He's gonna fight fire with fire.

Huge Vereen day on tap, not so much for Gray unless there is a goaline TD to be had.

Except he had 9 of his 17 carries in the 1st qtr when it was either 0-0 or 7-0.

Don't forget vereen was sick. It may have nothing to do with grays increased usage or it may be one of the causes.

 

[Van Dyman]

What is everyone arguing about , Gray slides right into Ridley role and that comes with all the ups and downs that it had earlier in the year. I absolutely hate the match-up this week though for obvious reasons (DEN's rush def + game flow). I could easily see a stat line like 7/30/0.

So do you agree it feels like a vereen game this week?

Or BB likes to try and take away the other team's best weapon. Instead of slinging it all over and getting Lafell, Vereen and Gronk 10 targets a piece, he runs the ground and pound to try and keep Peyton off the field in a day predicted to be somewhat cold, windy and possibly snow?

iirc many NFL teams have tried to beat Peyton this way going back to his days in Indy. I'm not sure where to find the stats on that, but I don't think it has been a winning formula. It might be the best option for lesser teams, but I'd be surprised if BB came out with that tired old gameplan. The Pats have more options because they can score a lot, beat you different ways, and can play some defense. FWIW, they have been really good in the snow before.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Could easily get 8 TD's and 600 by season's end. Nice RB2 or 3.

Now imagine he loses a fumble.