Julius Jones- 2005 version of Willie Green? (1 Viewer)

[Garts]

Through week 12 he is not looking as hot as he was touted throughout the summer on these boards.

His YPC for the year is 3.5 ypc and has yet to break 100 yds despite having 20+ carries in 6 games.

Ironically enough, Willie Green averaged 3.9 ypc before going out for the year around week 7.

Thus far, these guys look similar and it appears that Marion Barber is taking a role on the 'boys similar to what Suggs did.

The games I've watched, he has not impressed me at all (which truthfully is 4 games, but nonetheless, I was unimpressed).

Jones = 2005 version of Willie Green

Julius does not look the part of a stud RB. He is quick and elusive, but just doesn't seem to have the "IT" to be a stud.

 

[Marc Levin]

Through week 12 he is not looking as hot as he was touted throughout the summer on these boards.

His YPC for the year is 3.5 ypc and has yet to break 100 yds despite having 20+ carries in 6 games.

Ironically enough, Willie Green averaged 3.9 ypc before going out for the year around week 7.

Thus far, these guys look similar and it appears that Marion Barber is taking a role on the 'boys similar to what Suggs did.

The games I've watched, he has not impressed me at all (which truthfully is 4 games, but nonetheless, I was unimpressed).

Jones = 2005 version of Willie Green

might as well say J. Jones = 2005 version of K. Jones.It is hard to draw the direct analogy, for me, because I don;t agree that Suggs took the role that Barber is currently playing. Barber is in the game on all series' inside the 20 and in short yardage situations. I don't recall precisely, but I don;t believe that was Suggs' role with Willie Green.

Green also had off-field issues that kept him off the field in 2003 from week 8 through the rest of the season after Green actually started 2003 with good numbers.

Finally, if you are referring to 2004 Green/Suggs, I don't really see the analogy with Jones/Barber. I need some more explanation on that.

Has Jones been a year 2 disappointment with another RB on the team stealing important g/l numbers? definitely. Is that an analogy to Green/Suggs? I don't necessarily see it.

 

[Marc Levin]

Through week 12 he is not looking as hot as he was touted throughout the summer on these boards.

His YPC for the year is 3.5 ypc and has yet to break 100 yds despite having 20+ carries in 6 games. 

Ironically enough, Willie Green averaged 3.9 ypc before going out for the year around week 7.

Thus far, these guys look similar and it appears that Marion Barber is taking a role on the 'boys similar to what Suggs did. 

The games I've watched, he has not impressed me at all (which truthfully is 4 games, but nonetheless, I was unimpressed).

Jones = 2005 version of Willie Green

Julius does not look the part of a stud RB. He is quick and elusive, but just doesn't seem to have the "IT" to be a stud.

He is a slasher, and not anywhere near as good at north-south running (another reason not to draw an analogy to W Green).I am not sure whether he has "it" to be a stud, either - and a lot of that has to do with the OL play and Parcells' willingness to alternate series with Barber. barber doesn't look like a stud either.

 

[Patoons]

Through week 12 he is not looking as hot as he was touted throughout the summer on these boards.

His YPC for the year is 3.5 ypc and has yet to break 100 yds despite having 20+ carries in 6 games.

Ironically enough, Willie Green averaged 3.9 ypc before going out for the year around week 7.

Thus far, these guys look similar and it appears that Marion Barber is taking a role on the 'boys similar to what Suggs did.

The games I've watched, he has not impressed me at all (which truthfully is 4 games, but nonetheless, I was unimpressed).

Jones = 2005 version of Willie Green

Julius does not look the part of a stud RB. He is quick and elusive, but just doesn't seem to have the "IT" to be a stud.

He is a slasher, and not anywhere near as good at north-south running (another reason not to draw an analogy to W Green).I am not sure whether he has "it" to be a stud, either - and a lot of that has to do with the OL play and Parcells' willingness to alternate series with Barber. barber doesn't look like a stud either.

If you look back to my initial posts back in June I'm drawing the analogy from the performance of both Green and Jones and not based on their styles. Both had phenomenal 2nd halves to their rookie seasons and had tremendous hype that following summer. Both also faced mediocre defenses in that second half. The next comparison was that Parcells, like Davis, drafted another RB the following year, which lead me to believe that Parcells must not be all that confident in Jones' ability.

This is where the comparison lies. I was saying that the hype was unwarranted back in the summer and that he would not perform close to his high expectations that many had around here.

 

[-OZ-]

Through week 12 he is not looking as hot as he was touted throughout the summer on these boards.

His YPC for the year is 3.5 ypc and has yet to break 100 yds despite having 20+ carries in 6 games.

Ironically enough, Willie Green averaged 3.9 ypc before going out for the year around week 7.

Thus far, these guys look similar and it appears that Marion Barber is taking a role on the 'boys similar to what Suggs did.

The games I've watched, he has not impressed me at all (which truthfully is 4 games, but nonetheless, I was unimpressed).

Jones = 2005 version of Willie Green

Julius does not look the part of a stud RB. He is quick and elusive, but just doesn't seem to have the "IT" to be a stud.

He is a slasher, and not anywhere near as good at north-south running (another reason not to draw an analogy to W Green).I am not sure whether he has "it" to be a stud, either - and a lot of that has to do with the OL play and Parcells' willingness to alternate series with Barber. barber doesn't look like a stud either.

If you look back to my initial posts back in June I'm drawing the analogy from the performance of both Green and Jones and not based on their styles. Both had phenomenal 2nd halves to their rookie seasons and had tremendous hype that following summer. Both also faced mediocre defenses in that second half. The next comparison was that Parcells, like Davis, drafted another RB the following year, which lead me to believe that Parcells must not be all that confident in Jones' ability.

This is where the comparison lies. I was saying that the hype was unwarranted back in the summer and that he would not perform close to his high expectations that many had around here.

Certainly looks like you may be right here, but Barber was drafted because there were not any other good RBs on the roster, and Parcells is smart enough to know you need 2 solid to good backs in the NFL. Plus, Barber was simply BPA. And of course, the injury concern from last year.JJ looked pretty good pre-injury this year, I wonder if MB3 would be a factor if not for the injury.

 

[Patoons]

Certainly looks like you may be right here, but Barber was drafted because there were not any other good RBs on the roster, and Parcells is smart enough to know you need 2 solid to good backs in the NFL. Plus, Barber was simply BPA. And of course, the injury concern from last year.

JJ looked pretty good pre-injury this year, I wonder if MB3 would be a factor if not for the injury.

Julius still had a 3.6 ypc with 4 of his five games with 20+ carries and not one game over 100 yds. Yes the Chargers have the best run D in the league, but he couldn't break 100 on San Fran, Oakland, Washington or Philly? They are all middle of the line.I don't believe he's been all that impressive even before the injury.

 

[Bigtime]

Gee, I guess I'll have to drop him in dynasty now because some guy on a message board predicted over the summer that he was over rated. It took his brother 4-5 years and 3 teams before he started looking like the stud he is today. How would you run the football with a lingering high ankle sprain?

 

[Otis]

Gee, I guess I'll have to drop him in dynasty now because some guy on a message board predicted over the summer that he was over rated.

It took his brother 4-5 years and 3 teams before he started looking like the stud he is today. How would you run the football with a lingering high ankle sprain?

Two points:1. Noone is suggesting you drop him. They are simply suggesting that JJones is not the stud he was cracked up to be (by some) coming into the season and

2. Julius Jones does not have the talent is brother has. He did not have the college career his brother had, and, in my opinion, will never be the impact player in the NFL that Thomas Jones is.

 

[Otis]

What I find most amusing about the uproar in this thread (how DARE someone question a guy with, what, 4 big games under his belt in his entire career?!) is the fact that no one will acknowledge that just about every year there are one or more young players who, over a small sample size the year before, had nice numbers, and then come out and flop the following season.

Why not Julius Jones?

People response with "oh, so Kevin Jones will bust too? And Tatum Bell?? And Steven Jackson!?"

My answer is YES to at least one of them, and I have no reason to think it cannot be Julius Jones. (In fact, I believe of the guys I mention he is most likely to disappoint, for a myriad of reasons).

Fantasy footballers in general get way too caught up in the hype of a few games the following year. The combination of short-term memories and mob-mentality make for an interesting off-season phenominon.

Again I'm with Yudkin and Patoons on this one.

Otis

 

[Otis]

What I find most amusing about the uproar in this thread (how DARE someone question a guy with, what, 4 big games under his belt in his entire career?!) is the fact that no one will acknowledge that just about every year there are one or more young players who, over a small sample size the year before, had nice numbers, and then come out and flop the following season.

Why not Julius Jones?

People response with "oh, so Kevin Jones will bust too? And Tatum Bell?? And Steven Jackson!?"

My answer is YES to at least one of them, and I have no reason to think it cannot be Julius Jones. (In fact, I believe of the guys I mention he is most likely to disappoint, for a myriad of reasons).

By the way, to turn this thread into a learning lesson and a helpful discussion, applying the "Willie Green Rule" to this season, I do not see a RB who this applies to yet. I firmly believe that Cadillac and Ronnie Brown are the real deal, and I don't see either one falling victim to this phenomenon. This could be a year where we don't have a Willie Green, though it will be interesting to see what happens over the next few games of the season.

 

[-OZ-]

Certainly looks like you may be right here, but Barber was drafted because there were not any other good RBs on the roster, and Parcells is smart enough to know you need 2 solid to good backs in the NFL. Plus, Barber was simply BPA. And of course, the injury concern from last year.

JJ looked pretty good pre-injury this year, I wonder if MB3 would be a factor if not for the injury.

Julius still had a 3.6 ypc with 4 of his five games with 20+ carries and not one game over 100 yds. Yes the Chargers have the best run D in the league, but he couldn't break 100 on San Fran, Oakland, Washington or Philly? They are all middle of the line.I don't believe he's been all that impressive even before the injury.

I can excuse the Philly game, afterall, Tomlinson got 7 yards rushing against them.Jones totaled over 100 yards in each of his first 3 games, then 88 and 72, he was used in the passing game sufficiently to keep his FF value up.

In league where I have JJ, he averaged 15 PPG pre-injury. Right around #14, not studly by any means but still "pretty good". In his first 3 he averaged 20, which is top 5.

 

[Bigtime]

Gee, I guess I'll have to drop him in dynasty now because some guy on a message board predicted over the summer that he was over rated.

It took his brother 4-5 years and 3 teams before he started looking like the stud he is today. How would you run the football with a lingering high ankle sprain?

Two points:1. Noone is suggesting you drop him. They are simply suggesting that JJones is not the stud he was cracked up to be (by some) coming into the season and

2. Julius Jones does not have the talent is brother has. He did not have the college career his brother had, and, in my opinion, will never be the impact player in the NFL that Thomas Jones is.

Otis, you and anyone else are free to form your own opinions. I would however try to base my opinions on fact rather than try to draw parallels between two RB's who have nothing in common.FACTS

JJ is currently the 27th RB overall with with 83.7 total Fantasy points in a standard format. The 7th RB overall (Warrick Dunn) currently has 147.5 total Fpoints.

Subtract 83.7 from 147.5 = 63.8 Julius averaged 13.16 points per game in the 6 games he played in this year. He was out 4 games. Four times 13 is 53 add 53 to his 84 and you get 137. That's just 10 points behind the #7RB. Which is exactly 1 point per game. JJ will continue to be a fine 1st to 3rd round selection in years where he can stay healthy. Just like Warrick Dunn.

Bottom line JJ is more like Warrick Dunn than he will ever resemble Willie Green.

 

[Bigtime]

correction he played and finished 7 games not 6

 

[-OZ-]

Gee, I guess I'll have to drop him in dynasty now because some guy on a message board predicted over the summer that he was over rated.

It took his brother 4-5 years and 3 teams before he started looking like the stud he is today. How would you run the football with a lingering high ankle sprain?

Two points:1. Noone is suggesting you drop him. They are simply suggesting that JJones is not the stud he was cracked up to be (by some) coming into the season and

2. Julius Jones does not have the talent is brother has. He did not have the college career his brother had, and, in my opinion, will never be the impact player in the NFL that Thomas Jones is.

Otis, you and anyone else are free to form your own opinions. I would however try to base my opinions on fact rather than try to draw parallels between two RB's who have nothing in common.FACTS

JJ is currently the 27th RB overall with with 83.7 total Fantasy points in a standard format. The 7th RB overall (Warrick Dunn) currently has 147.5 total Fpoints.

Subtract 83.7 from 147.5 = 63.8 Julius averaged 13.16 points per game in the 6 games he played in this year. He was out 4 games. Four times 13 is 53 add 53 to his 84 and you get 137. That's just 10 points behind the #7RB. Which is exactly 1 point per game. JJ will continue to be a fine 1st to 3rd round selection in years where he can stay healthy. Just like Warrick Dunn.

Bottom line JJ is more like Warrick Dunn than he will ever resemble Willie Green.

So much math! While this depends on your league, most of us can just hit "top performers, weekly average"... In my league, JJ has 12.46 PPG, #24 RB. The #7 RB in this format is Priest, with 18.19 PPG. His brother has 15.56 PPG, #13. Warrick Dunn is the #15, with 15.18 PPG.

I'm just not sure I get the Dunn comparison anymore than the William Green one.

 

[Bigtime]

I made the Dunn comparison because the only time Dunn doesn't play like a top 15 RB is when he's injured/can't play. Just like JJ.

 

[-OZ-]

I just made the Dunn comparison because the only time Dunn doesn't play like a top 15 RB is when he's injured/can't play.

Why not make the comparison to LT, Alexander, Edge, Deuce, or any other top RB then?IIRC, Dunn has missed 10 games in 9 years. JJones has missed 11 games in 2 years.

 

[Bigtime]

Well it was easier because if you look at the math and factor in the 4 games he was out he would have RB# 7 numbers where Dunn is.Now if I could have come up with numbers that came close to LT, Edge, Alexander I would have. JJ isn't comparable to those guys based on this season.

 

[Bigtime]

OZ, how many games was Santana Moss out his first 3 years?

 

[-OZ-]

Well it was easier because if you look at the math and factor in the 4 games he was out he would have RB# 7 numbers where Dunn is.

Now if I could have come up with numbers that came close to LT, Edge, Alexander I would have. JJ isn't comparable to those guys based on this season.

I guess it depends on your league. Sadly, where I have JJ, he isn't comparable to Dunn either.

OZ, how many games was Santana Moss out his first 3 years?

How is this pertinent to the conversation? Are you going to compare Santana Moss to Marvin Harrison?

 

[Bigtime]

I threw Santana's name out there as an example of a young player with alot of talent who also stuggled with injuries his first few years.

 

[MagicMan]

2. Julius Jones does not have the talent is brother has. He did not have the college career his brother had, and, in my opinion, will never be the impact player in the NFL that Thomas Jones is.

This same brother that has failed w/more than 1 team?

 

[-OZ-]

I threw Santana's name out there as an example of a young player with alot of talent who also stuggled with injuries his first few years.

I don't think we're that far in disagreement here. I like JJones for the future, he has talent and I know players can stuggle with injuries and overcome them, no argument at all on JJ's value or potential I think.I just disagree with using Dunn to make your point.

 

[botabu]

 

[-OZ-]

2. Julius Jones does not have the talent is brother has. He did not have the college career his brother had, and, in my opinion, will never be the impact player in the NFL that Thomas Jones is.

This same brother that has failed w/more than 1 team?

I'm not so certain that he "failed" with Tampa Bay. That year was the first time we saw anything from him, it was a growing year with a couple nice games. But, I get your point here, and agree with it.

 

[Bigtime]

I threw Santana's name out there as an example of a young player with alot of talent who also stuggled with injuries his first few years.

I don't think we're that far in disagreement here. I like JJones for the future, he has talent and I know players can stuggle with injuries and overcome them, no argument at all on JJ's value or potential I think.I just disagree with using Dunn to make your point.

Once again Dunn's name is in there because he is currently the #7RB. If JJ were not injured I think it's safe to say he could have scored between 8-19 points any given week. If he averaged 13 he would be ranked right along side Dunn somewhere in the top ten.

 

[-OZ-]

I threw Santana's name out there as an example of a young player with alot of talent who also stuggled with injuries his first few years.

I don't think we're that far in disagreement here. I like JJones for the future, he has talent and I know players can stuggle with injuries and overcome them, no argument at all on JJ's value or potential I think.I just disagree with using Dunn to make your point.

Once again Dunn's name is in there because he is currently the #7RB. If JJ were not injured I think it's safe to say he could have scored between 8-19 points any given week. If he averaged 13 he would be ranked right along side Dunn somewhere in the top ten.

We could do this all day Just my opinion, but one of Dunn's strong points is he doesn't miss games. Until JJ shows he can do the same, I won't be agreeing with you here.

I assume you're using FBG scoring, but again, in my leagues, Dunn is a couple PPG ahead of JJ.

Either way, if you want to think of Jones in the same light as Dunn, great. I won't.

 

[BigJim®]

I threw Santana's name out there as an example of a young player with alot of talent who also stuggled with injuries his first few years.

I don't think we're that far in disagreement here. I like JJones for the future, he has talent and I know players can stuggle with injuries and overcome them, no argument at all on JJ's value or potential I think.I just disagree with using Dunn to make your point.

Once again Dunn's name is in there because he is currently the #7RB. If JJ were not injured I think it's safe to say he could have scored between 8-19 points any given week. If he averaged 13 he would be ranked right along side Dunn somewhere in the top ten.

I think it's safe to say JJ is good for far less than 19 when he gets no redzone love. Your projections are skewed by weeks 1 and 3, when JJ was a one man show including redzones. If you want to be a dreamer, dwell on those numbers. If you want to be a realist, look at the past few weeks.

 

[Biabreakable]

Could have should have didn't.Looks like he will be competing with Barber 3 for his job is 06 and Tyson Thompson is in the mix too.There was a thread about Bill Parcells and RBBC created here when speculating about Julius Jones's future. Would be a chore to find it..IIRC though Parcells employed RBBC when he did not have a clear cut RB like Curtis Martin to use.It does not look like Julius is of Martins level of talent or toughness to me.

 

[Traders2001]

Could have should have didn't.

Looks like he will be competing with Barber 3 for his job is 06 and Tyson Thompson is in the mix too.

There was a thread about Bill Parcells and RBBC created here when speculating about Julius Jones's future. Would be a chore to find it..

IIRC though Parcells employed RBBC when he did not have a clear cut RB like Curtis Martin to use.

It does not look like Julius is of Martins level of talent or toughness to me.

JOnes will be the starter in 06 no RBBC.And if you think Thompson will be in the mix , id love to play in your league.

Jones sprained his ankle what can you do , he came back and is now close to 100%

so by next week you will see the difference . He is going to get 90% of the carries.

And also how often did Barber touch the football in the second half thursday 000000.

If i was thinking like you, i would see RBBC in NO next season also . Because Deuce is injury prone , not tough and has had a bad ypc avg in the last two season.

Cmon give Jones a break.

 

[BigJim®]

Could have should have didn't.

Looks like he will be competing with Barber 3 for his job is 06 and Tyson Thompson is in the mix too.

There was a thread about Bill Parcells and RBBC created here when speculating about Julius Jones's future. Would be a chore to find it..

IIRC though Parcells employed RBBC when he did not have a clear cut RB like Curtis Martin to use.

It does not look like Julius is of Martins level of talent or toughness to me.

JOnes will be the starter in 06 no RBBC.And if you think Thompson will be in the mix , id love to play in your league.

Jones sprained his ankle what can you do , he came back and is now close to 100%

so by next week you will see the difference . He is going to get 90% of the carries.

And also how often did Barber touch the football in the second half thursday 000000.

If i was thinking like you, i would see RBBC in NO next season also . Because Deuce is injury prone , not tough and has had a bad ypc avg in the last two season.

Cmon give Jones a break.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. I think I'll take the word of the coach on this one. RBBC.

 

[Traders2001]

Could have should have didn't.

Looks like he will be competing with Barber 3 for his job is 06 and Tyson Thompson is in the mix too.

There was a thread about Bill Parcells and RBBC created here when speculating about Julius Jones's future. Would be a chore to find it..

IIRC though Parcells employed RBBC when he did not have a clear cut RB like Curtis Martin to use.

It does not look like Julius is of Martins level of talent or toughness to me.

JOnes will be the starter in 06 no RBBC.And if you think Thompson will be in the mix , id love to play in your league.

Jones sprained his ankle what can you do , he came back and is now close to 100%

so by next week you will see the difference . He is going to get 90% of the carries.

And also how often did Barber touch the football in the second half thursday 000000.

If i was thinking like you, i would see RBBC in NO next season also . Because Deuce is injury prone , not tough and has had a bad ypc avg in the last two season.

Cmon give Jones a break.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. I think I'll take the word of the coach on this one. RBBC.

I'll take the word of the coach. When did you see that ......

 

[Bigtime]

That's ok everyone wrote off Joey Galloway this year too. You can say JJ sucks till your blue in the face that doesn't make it reality. I remember when LT2 had a few bad games his first break out year alot of the same no substance analysis (whining).

 

[BigJim®]

Could have should have didn't.

Looks like he will be competing with Barber 3 for his job is 06 and Tyson Thompson is in the mix too.

There was a thread about Bill Parcells and RBBC created here when speculating about Julius Jones's future. Would be a chore to find it..

IIRC though Parcells employed RBBC when he did not have a clear cut RB like Curtis Martin to use.

It does not look like Julius is of Martins level of talent or toughness to me.

JOnes will be the starter in 06 no RBBC.And if you think Thompson will be in the mix , id love to play in your league.

Jones sprained his ankle what can you do , he came back and is now close to 100%

so by next week you will see the difference . He is going to get 90% of the carries.

And also how often did Barber touch the football in the second half thursday 000000.

If i was thinking like you, i would see RBBC in NO next season also . Because Deuce is injury prone , not tough and has had a bad ypc avg in the last two season.

Cmon give Jones a break.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. I think I'll take the word of the coach on this one. RBBC.

I'll take the word of the coach. When did you see that ......

Excuse me, but have you been living in a hole? Parcells has said multiple times he's going to use all of his RBs. That may be 80/20 or it may be 60/40 but at a minimum Barber is stealing series, in on 3rd and in the redzone. In fact he did have carries in the 2nd half on Thursday, not zeros. He was the RB in the redzone.

 

[Biabreakable]

Hmmm http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sectio...l&id=2226874Nov 17 2005

IRVING, Texas -- As soon as his sore left ankle will allow it, Julius Jones will again be the starting running back of the Dallas Cowboys.

He just won't be the only running back.

Jones and Marion Barber III are now a 1-2 punch, with Tyson Thompson also likely to get a few chances each game. How they are used will depend on everything from the type of defense the Cowboys are playing to how each player's strengths fit a certain situation.

"I am going to use all these guys," Parcells said Wednesday. "Why don't you call them all utility guys -- utility A, B and C."

Jones is still the front-runner because he proved what he can do by running for 787 yards during the last seven games of last season. But Barber has proven his worth with strong running, excellent blocking and good hands. Thompson has breakaway speed, but is still learning the finer points of the position.

"I think there is so much tread on those running backs on a game to game basis, so I want to make sure I've got enough to get through the game every week," Parcells said. "Don't give one guy the ball 40 times, if I've got an option."

Jones came into this season not only as the lead back, but as the focus of the entire offense. Then came a slow start, followed by the high ankle sprain in the fifth game.

Barber, a fourth-round pick, had gotten buried on the depth chart because of a foot problem midway through the preseason. He worked his way back up with a combination of smarts and skills, showing enough of both that the Cowboys released veteran Anthony Thomas while Jones was out.

Barber gained 95 yards against Seattle, earning his first career start against Arizona. He responded with 127 yards and two touchdowns, earning another start this past Monday night against Philadelphia even though Jones was back, too.

"I just thought to start with that maybe Marion might be a little bit in the flow a little bit better," Parcells said.

Their tag-team debut didn't go so well. Barber gained 46 yards on 13 carries and Jones had 16 yards on eight tries.

"We didn't get real good holes," Parcells said. "We didn't really block them real well. They were moving on us. They blitzed the run a couple of times. They caught us with minus plays."

Dallas' totals were 58 yards on 24 carries, its worst production since the third game of last season. But Parcells said it wasn't as bad as it sounded, noting that play action sucked in the defense and made possible two other big plays. Barber also had a 26-yard gain to set up the touchdown that got Dallas within 20-14.

Next up is a Detroit defense that, statistically, is even better against the run. And the Lions are coming off their best performance of the season, limiting Arizona to 38 yards on 16 carries.

Jones will start if his ankle can handle it.

"I'll look at him in practice," Parcells said. "I would have confidence to start him this week if he looks pretty good and I think he will."

Jones said he's not 100 percent, "but I'm good enough to go."

"I can't really cut as hard as I used to," he said. "I'm a guy who slashes and makes a lot of cuts. I think once the ankle heals up completely, I'll be able to start cutting on it."

Barber, the son of former NFL running back Marion Barber Jr., was in the same kind of role last year at the University of Minnesota. Despite sharing carries with Laurence Maroney, Barber still gained 1,269 yards and scored 11 touchdowns.

"I just got to be ready at all times," he said.

He's already gotten some friendly advice from Jones.

"He told me to step up. Not in a negative way, just to be ready," Barber said. "He's a real cool dude. He's been there helping me out."

Quarterback Drew Bledsoe likes the backfield rotation.

"It's a real luxury to have two guys, and in our case three guys, that can play from time to time because it's a brutally punishing position to play," Bledsoe said. "I think that with Julius continuing to get healthy and getting back toward 100 percent that that's going to help us.

"I would look for us to be more consistent, more productive in the running game down the stretch here for sure." 

last week:http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20051120_DET@DALJ. Jones 21 92 0

M. Barber 15 53 2TD

D. Bledsoe 4 2 0 3

T. Thompson 2 2 0 3

2 days ago:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20051124_DEN@DAL

J. Jones 20 55 0 11

M. Barber 9 28 0 6

D. Bledsoe 3 2 1 2

Thanks for the league invite tho

 

[BigJim®]

You can say JJ sucks till your blue in the face that doesn't make it reality. I remember when LT2 had a few bad games his first break out year alot of the same no substance analysis (whining).

Exaggerate much? People are saying "JJ sucks" and should continue to do so until they are "blue in the face"? I'd say be realistic with your going forward expectations of this RBBC is all I'm seeing. And while we're on the topic of you exaggerating, LT2 is your comparison? Who was LT2's redzone vulture again? Who was his 3rd down vulture again? Wow. I'm sorry, I meant WOW.

 

[Bigtime]

I never said LT2 was like JJ. I said he was closer to Dunn than Willie Green.The LT2 reference was to point out that you need patience when evaluating a player. A couple games where you don't put up points should not define a career.

 

[Bigtime]

As for my modest un-exaggerated projections I'll say JJ averages 12 points a game from here on out. Which will put him 15 points ahead of where Dunn finished last year at 26th.

 

[BigJim®]

The LT2 reference was to point out that you need patience when evaluating a player. A couple games where you don't put up points should define a career.

Yes, and it would have made sense to do this if people complained about LT having a redzone vulture; if people complained because he had a 3rd down vulture; if Schotty outright said he was going to split carries between LT2 and other RBs. This isn't about a couple games. This is about dealing with reality; more to the point: reality dictated by a head coach who doesn't care about JJ's fantasy value.

 

[BigJim®]

As for my modest un-exaggerated projections I'll say JJ averages 12 points a game from here on out. Which will put him 15 points ahead of where Dunn finished last year at 26th.

26th is quite mediocre. Some would call this a bottom 6 starting RB.

 

[Bigtime]

This IS about a couple of games. JJ missed 4 games is obviously still bothered by his ankle has a bad O-line.I am in no way comparing LT and JJ. The reference was made because people wanted to write LT off early in his career just like they are doing with JJ. I have seen no valid criticism of JJ to make me think he is similiar to Willie Green in any way, shape or form. If you guys want to skip over him in the 3rd round of a re-draft go ahead. I've been taking Dunn in the 3rd-4th round the last couple of years and have been thrilled in a 16 teamer. JJ will prove to be that kind of value unless he blows up these last 5 games.

 

[BigJim®]

If you guys want to skip over him in the 3rd round of a re-draft go ahead. I've been taking Dunn in the 3rd-4th round the last couple of years and have been thrilled in a 16 teamer. JJ will prove to be that kind of value unless he blows up these last 5 games.

3rd-4th round in a redraft sounds about right for a #20 RB. That's assuming there is indication he will get *some* redzone carries. If MB3 continues to get the redzone carries throughout the rest of this season, I'd have to move JJ down further.

 

[yankobb]

News flash:JJ isn't getting the goal line carries which is the ONLY thing that made him half way decent earlier in the year. He wasn't running well before the injury but now that he's running like he did earlier it's because he's still not 100%? The guy hasn't rushed for a 100 yards in any game. He also doesn't have a TD longer than 5 yards, which is really bad news because it doesn't appear he'll get any more cracks at those cheapo TD plunges that was padding his stats earlier in the year. Unless things change and Parcells stops using Barber in scoring position then JJ is pretty much junk as far as RBs go. Unless 70-80 yards and 0 TDs makes you wet at night he's bench material at this point in a lot of leagues.

 

[Garts]

I never seen so many people get excited over an average RB. C'mon people, it's Julius Jones; not Walter Payton. JJ wasn't even a star in College.

 

[Otis]

In my league scoring JJ is #32 right now. I believe someone above is trying to distill a whole slew of statistics to try and prove that JJ has been good. IIRC, he was ADPing somewhere around 9-12 coming into the season.Spin those stats however you like, if I spend the 10 pick on a guy who ends up 32nd best at his position, I'm kinda pissed.

 

[botabu]

Again.... All this has come to is who likes/believes in JJ, and who does not. Move on.... it is old now.

 

[Ridgelake]

There was a thread about Bill Parcells and RBBC created here when speculating about Julius Jones's future. Would be a chore to find it..

This may be the THREAD that talks about it. It is from Training Camp when Parcells was talking about how he wanted his RB situation.As BigTex summarized in that thread, here was what Parcells outlined:

Lead Back: 20-24 carries

Change of Pace Back 8-10 a game

Short Yardage Back 2-5 a game

The Change of Pace Back being the one to give the Lead Back a breather, third and long, as well as passing downs.

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Its pretty clear at this point that JJ is the "Lead Back". He has gotten 20+ carries in each of the last ywo games.

Barber is the Change of Pace Back. He comes in on the "nickle" offense. He give the Lead Back a breather.

The question is the Short Yardage Back. I am not convinced either back is this guy yet. Barber did get some carries here against Denver. JJ was in on some shorter yardage plays. Both got goal line carries against Detroit. Lets see how the Giant game goes.

Now Dallas' Oline has not been good this year. This clearly impacts Dallas' ability to run effectively. There is a reason that their average YPC is poor. Its the line. And most of the remaining teams on their schedule are fairly good run D's. Certainly the Giants and Panthers would qualify as such.

So what you will get from JJ is 20 carries per game. About 70 yards. And maybe 0.5 TDs. Barber will get 10 carries per game. Maybe a catch or two. Again, who gets the goalline carries? Have to wait and see.

 

[Biabreakable]

That thread is not bad Ridgelake and more recent. However the thread I am refering to was the historical study of Bill Parcells and his Rbs created not long after JJ was drafted.I forget who did the study. I think it was a Giants fan.

 

[Patoons]

As for my modest un-exaggerated projections I'll say JJ averages 12 points a game from here on out. Which will put him 15 points ahead of where Dunn finished last year at 26th.

I am not making a fantasy comparison. TD's are a mask that hide ineffective ball carriers. 1 or 2 one yard TD's can make a guy look like a solid back any given week, but a coach could care less about the 1 yard TD runs if the player's ineffective and they have a capable guy to bring in and take some of his time.The Dunn comparison is somewhat of a stretch IMO. Dunn is vultured, like Jones at this point, but Dunn is far more effective and productive in the yardage area. If Jones was vultured in those first 5 games, like he will the rest of the season, JJ's production doesn't fcome as close as it appears. Early in the season, JJ was carried by his 3 TD's in his first 5 games which made him an "effective" #2 RB.

JJ just hasn't been dominant and you have to wonder given last week's peformance if Barber is going to be given increased time.

As far as the LT comment goes, Philly had two weeks to prepare for him and publicly stated they would be out to stop him and let Brees try to beat him. I don't believe that was the case with JJ or any other RB they've faced this season as many teams have had success against them.

 

[Ridgelake]

I want to further add that in a press conference last week, Parcells said that his RB situation should not be a surprise. It is how he outlined it in training camp to the media. The summary in my previous post made by BigTex from the other thread is what Parcells was refering to. So it is as accurate as a guide on the Dallas RB situation as you are likely to get.

 

[Bigtime]

As for my modest un-exaggerated projections I'll say JJ averages 12 points a game from here on out. Which will put him 15 points ahead of where Dunn finished last year at 26th.

I am not making a fantasy comparison. TD's are a mask that hide ineffective ball carriers. 1 or 2 one yard TD's can make a guy look like a solid back any given week, but a coach could care less about the 1 yard TD runs if the player's ineffective and they have a capable guy to bring in and take some of his time.The Dunn comparison is somewhat of a stretch IMO. Dunn is vultured, like Jones at this point, but Dunn is far more effective and productive in the yardage area. If Jones was vultured in those first 5 games, like he will the rest of the season, JJ's production doesn't fcome as close as it appears. Early in the season, JJ was carried by his 3 TD's in his first 5 games which made him an "effective" #2 RB.

JJ just hasn't been dominant and you have to wonder given last week's peformance if Barber is going to be given increased time.

As far as the LT comment goes, Philly had two weeks to prepare for him and publicly stated they would be out to stop him and let Brees try to beat him. I don't believe that was the case with JJ or any other RB they've faced this season as many teams have had success against them.

The LT comment is not for this season. It WAS FOR THE YEAR 2000 BREAKOUT SEASON. People on this board were trashing LT because he had a few down games. The POINT is that people are being pre-mature on JJ!If you can't get the Dunn comparison you might as well give up on FF.