Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.
this raises the question: who will be unlucky enough to be picked by the Raiders in the first round of next year's draft?
Ummm Lions fan here. We are like Courtney Love, at least a two bagger....I have tremendous shame and embarrassment as a long time Raiders fan.
Both teams need a QB bad. Russell is garbage. Nothing more needs said there. Stanton is horrible. That guy made David Carr look all-pro. Anyone see how hard he was breathing from running around in circles instead of trying to throw the ball. Raiders will be bad for a long, long time. Their future is tied to a bad QB. Sorry Crabtree, they are picking you in 2009.The Lions can start fixing their problems with a franchise QB. Choose wisely. ATL did.Ummm Lions fan here. We are like Courtney Love, at least a two bagger....I have tremendous shame and embarrassment as a long time Raiders fan.
Are you seriously basing your Stanton career evaluation on one half of an NFL game? A half that went 6 for 8 with 1 TD, 0 INT, and 94 yards? Seriously? I'm not saying the guy looked like Elway out there, but this was his first significant regular season NFL action, and it is WAY WAY too early to make drastic conclusions of any kind.Both teams need a QB bad. Russell is garbage. Nothing more needs said there. Stanton is horrible. That guy made David Carr look all-pro. Anyone see how hard he was breathing from running around in circles instead of trying to throw the ball. Raiders will be bad for a long, long time. Their future is tied to a bad QB. Sorry Crabtree, they are picking you in 2009.The Lions can start fixing their problems with a franchise QB. Choose wisely. ATL did.Ummm Lions fan here. We are like Courtney Love, at least a two bagger....I have tremendous shame and embarrassment as a long time Raiders fan.
You sure ATL didn't just get LUCKY? Ryan has performed well, but he could have easily been another Tim Couch or Alex Smith in the making.
No but he was far from ready.Did you see the game? I mean wow. I have not seen a guy so ill prepared for the speed of the game since who knows when. Did you catch him sucking wind after the repeated sacks? He's supposed to throw the ball, not run around like a chicken with his head cut off. Numerous times he would take off and turn around and run right back into the teeth of the pass rush. It was brutal.One thing the coaching staff was right about was that they didn't want him to embarrass himself, so the signed rotten-pepper. He did anyway becasue they had to put him in. I would love for him to become the franchise QB, but he is as far away right now as anyone.
Yes they got lucky.
Why should he?
Luck is a factor to be sure, but Atlanta did their homework on Ryan. They did more than just get lucky.
As if every other team didn't do their homework.
And by more do you mean the signing of Michael Turner? I think an established running game has helped Matt Ryan more than anything else.
Also local Raider fan here. The superbowl run with Gannon was long ago in NFL terms. Change has to come from the philosophy used within the organization, until then all the decisions will do is prolong the misery.Box of Oreos>Smith>Russel
Apparently not on Couch or Smith. And this entire thread is BASED on a team not doing its homework. All I'm saying is the Atlanta had their choice of QBs in this draft and they picked correctly and it wasn't just dumb luck.As if every other team didn't do their homework.
I suspect that the Stanton situaion in Detroit, is that the OC doesn't want him to succeed, as Stanton was Martz's guy. When you sign a street FA and give him all the reps he can handle, instead of the young guy who is in the system already and you bring in the young guy for Red Zone possessions anyway since the street FA isn't ready to handle that responsibility - it tells me what I need to know about Lion management.As bad as Oakland is, fans can always at least say: Al is old & delusional, but it used to be good - lion fans have nobody in charge with enough of a track record to earn credit.
Yeah, he spends all the money he saves by screwing his head coaches out of their contracts.dlptown said:
A lot of, if not most of, the top QB's benefit from a solid running game. And while Atlanta's running game is probably better than most, I think many are making the wrong assumption here in thinking that they are running every game to set up the pass. The past few games, they have jumped out to early leads on the strength of Ryan's arm, and then slowed the game down by pounding the ball. This is why he has had so few passing attempts. They simply aren't throwing as much after their first few drives. So, yes, he has benefited from the ground attack, but it is not even close to the sole reason for his successes thus far.shredhead said:
The Lions would be much better off addressing their o-line problems ahead of their QB problems, ala Cleveland and Miami. Just about any culcrapper off the street could throw to Calvin if you give him enough time.Both teams need a QB bad. Russell is garbage. Nothing more needs said there. Stanton is horrible. That guy made David Carr look all-pro. Anyone see how hard he was breathing from running around in circles instead of trying to throw the ball. Raiders will be bad for a long, long time. Their future is tied to a bad QB. Sorry Crabtree, they are picking you in 2009.The Lions can start fixing their problems with a franchise QB. Choose wisely. ATL did.Ummm Lions fan here. We are like Courtney Love, at least a two bagger....I have tremendous shame and embarrassment as a long time Raiders fan.
No, Hall was just brutal ( the following from Peter King's MMQB column today):I think there are a few quarterbacks in the NFC East -- starting with Tony Romo next Sunday -- who will be trying to rake DeAngelo Hall over the coals in the last seven weeks of the season. Hall signed with Washington on Friday, after his bizarre release from the Raiders, who paid Hall $8 million to play all of eight games.
I agree. Many teams put too much weight on numbers rather than intangibles like temperament, maturity, attitude, willingness to learn, motivation/drive, and leadership. Of course, the latter aren't easy to quantify and this is probably why teams prefer to take the "safe" pick with the numbers rather than the less flashy prospect, if only to save face with the media in case things blow up on them. But that doesn't mean some teams do not make a better, more accurate assessment of these intangibles than others. In fact, given the nature of these things, it would be amazing if teams did not.
Plus didn't he give up like 5 sacks too?
Chance? Yikes. Was Al in the stands with a laser messing up Dhalls vision? You're really blaming his performance on management?He sucked. Does suck. Will continue to suck.When a rebuilding team dumps a 25 year old CB who's made the probowl, the guy clearly has issues. When TWO teams rebuilding dump a 25 year old probowl CB, the guy is a train wreck. Hall needs to worry about being a starter in the NFL, let alone probowls.
