Abraham
Footballguy
It's excellent, but SoA season 3 ending was better. And people forget how good the first four seasons of Rescue Me was. And there were a few nip/tuck episodes that rank highly. But yeah. It's a good one.
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Brady Marino
Footballguy
SoA Season 3 ending was good in that it provided a very satisfying ending to what was going on (something Derp Sutter has forgotten how to do with ensuing seasons). I'll withhold judgment on Nip/Tuck and Rescue Me, although I'll probably add them to my queue of TV shows to catch up on.
Abraham
Footballguy
Rescue me is one of the best shows ever if you quit watching after the fourth season. It's a great character study of really ####ed up people who try and redeem themselves by doing dangerous things for other people. It's excellent. Nip tuck isn't for everyone. But I loved it. It masterfully becomes a characture of itself over time. I hope you like it.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
About all I know about Nip/Tuck is that the blonde that's in it is super hot and it has Peter Dinklage (Tyrion from Game of Thrones) in it somewhere along the way. May be enough to push that to the top of the queue.
Abraham
Footballguy
Go in with an open mind. It is really bizarre and if you take it to seriously it will gross you out and insult your sensibilities. Laugh a little and you will love it.About all I know about Nip/Tuck is that the blonde that's in it is super hot and it has Peter Dinklage (Tyrion from Game of Thrones) in it somewhere along the way. May be enough to push that to the top of the queue.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Comparing Justified to other shows is difficult because, like The Wire, it feels more like literature than TV.Not that it's as good, of course, but that's no knock on any show.I don't know that Justified has or will have a moment quite like the SOA S3 finale, but it's a far better show overall.
Abraham
Footballguy
Agree. The first season of justified was episodes with a loosely tied together arc. When it got popular they seemed to realize not every episode needed a tidy ending. It's a lot better now. I think non network tv has progressed a lot in the last few years by realizing the audience will commit to a long story arc.
Justified is one of my top 5 shows of all time, but the best three episodes ever to air on FX are all from The Shield -- the S5 finale and the last two episodes of the series. Personally, the penultimate episode of the series is my favorite.
bills025
Footballguy
I love this show and I never even thought of that. I assumed that there was going to be some new great actor come in and be him. I honestly wish I hadn't read this thread if that's true.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Sorry. Just a shot in the dark theory. I just got this funny feeling when Shelby and Ellen May had that conversation about pretending to be other people. Plus, he seems like he's trying to stay in the loop with the Thompson investigation without having s clear reason to care.There's the ex-wife comment too.
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Ahhhhhhhh. Nice catch. I'm with you.Sorry. Just a shot in the dark theory. I just got this funny feeling when Shelby and Ellen May had that conversation about pretending to be other people. Plus, he seems like he's trying to stay in the loop with the Thompson investigation without having s clear reason to care.
There's the ex-wife comment too.
Abraham
Footballguy
One thing that bothers me a bit is that the area the show takes place in seems to be getting bigger and bigger. In the first couple of seasons, it seemed like Raylon was always in hicksville. I get that the Marshall service is only going to have offices in areas with a certain population density, but now we are to the point where there are lots of people coming and going that seem unaware of each other's existence (like the power-broker swingers club)....yet the town is small enough to not have a Dairy Queen...? 
Apple Jack
Footballguy
The Marshalls office is in Lexington, while Boyd is in Harlan. Not sure about the Dairy Queen thing. Is there a Dairy Queen in every town?One thing that bothers me a bit is that the area the show takes place in seems to be getting bigger and bigger. In the first couple of seasons, it seemed like Raylon was always in hicksville. I get that the Marshall service is only going to have offices in areas with a certain population density, but now we are to the point where there are lots of people coming and going that seem unaware of each other's existence (like the power-broker swingers club)....yet the town is small enough to not have a Dairy Queen...?
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Abraham
Footballguy
Around here there is. Hell, I think there are some Dairy Queens that aren't even in towns in South Texas....just sitting out in the middle of nowhere.The Marshalls office is in Lexington, while Boyd is in Harlan. Not sure about the Dairy Queen thing. Is there a Dairy Queen in every town?One thing that bothers me a bit is that the area the show takes place in seems to be getting bigger and bigger. In the first couple of seasons, it seemed like Raylon was always in hicksville. I get that the Marshall service is only going to have offices in areas with a certain population density, but now we are to the point where there are lots of people coming and going that seem unaware of each other's existence (like the power-broker swingers club)....yet the town is small enough to not have a Dairy Queen...?
I went back and rewatched a couple scenes with this theory in mind and it makes sense. The Sheriff's dialogue and facial expressions during the scene where he is in the Marshall's office seem to be foreshadowing this type of twist.Ahhhhhhhh. Nice catch. I'm with you.Sorry. Just a shot in the dark theory. I just got this funny feeling when Shelby and Ellen May had that conversation about pretending to be other people. Plus, he seems like he's trying to stay in the loop with the Thompson investigation without having s clear reason to care.
There's the ex-wife comment too.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
One just closed down the street from me. <pours Reeses Peanut Butter cup Blizzard>Around here there is. Hell, I think there are some Dairy Queens that aren't even in towns in South Texas....just sitting out in the middle of nowhere.The Marshalls office is in Lexington, while Boyd is in Harlan. Not sure about the Dairy Queen thing. Is there a Dairy Queen in every town?One thing that bothers me a bit is that the area the show takes place in seems to be getting bigger and bigger. In the first couple of seasons, it seemed like Raylon was always in hicksville. I get that the Marshall service is only going to have offices in areas with a certain population density, but now we are to the point where there are lots of people coming and going that seem unaware of each other's existence (like the power-broker swingers club)....yet the town is small enough to not have a Dairy Queen...?
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Pretty sure they've deliberated started building that tension. When they went into the back room and she was sitting on top of Boyd making their Dairy Queen plans, I think we were supposed to suspect somebody might bust through the door shooting.
Abraham
Footballguy
Of course the notion of them having a normal life for their grandkids, etc. is a pipe dream. She's getting killed sooner than later.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Couple of questions: I haven't read any posts in here and I hadn't seen this show prior to last night, but after seeing this thread and noticing that Sepinwall reviews this show (he generally doesn't continue reviewing terrible shows), I decided to start catching up on it here.
The story seems interesting and I am a big Olyphant fan. Made it through the first four episodes last night.
My questions are:
- Is it worth plowing through all of the episodes up to the current ones?
- Were any of the four seasons much worse or much better than the rest?
- Do the scripts continue to be based on the Elmore Leonard short stories?
The story seems interesting and I am a big Olyphant fan. Made it through the first four episodes last night.
My questions are:
- Is it worth plowing through all of the episodes up to the current ones?
- Were any of the four seasons much worse or much better than the rest?
- Do the scripts continue to be based on the Elmore Leonard short stories?
Moe.
Footballguy
-Absolutely. -The second season is one of my favorite seasons of tv ever and I'd put it along with some of the other great seasons of this era. I believe the main villain won an emmy for her performance and it was totally deserved, she was incredible. The others ones are still good though and absolutely worth watching.
-The show is pretty good about incorporating shorter story arcs that may last an episode or two with much longer season-long arcs. I'm not a Leonard reader but I think some of the shorters arcs may be based on other Leonard stories/characters. I've read elsewhere that the show does a great job of capturing that style even if the plot isn't based on a Leonard story directly.
I like this show more than most but based on the other TV show threads that you post in I would be pretty shocked if you didn't really like it.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Thanks fellas, I should be able to be completely caught up by the time the next new episode airs. I'll bang out 20 of them on Sat & Sun alone. Easy to do it with no commercials.
Abraham
Footballguy
This season they have used this to help the pace of the show. I thought the preacher was going to be around all year as the protagonist. Nope. I didn't see the Kingmakers coming, and it was a welcome addition. I thought the Emmie Mae (name?) arc was gone and it resurfaced again with an added wrinkle (is Goggins in on it, or is his henchman making a play?) They do a nice job having the audience not know which characters are going to be important at any given time.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
It makes some sense for her to get killed, but I really hope they don't. I love Ava, and wish she had more to do (which is true of so many characters though).Winona gone, and now maybe Ava. That's an awful thought. During the darker times of Season 1, when I wasn't sure if this show was going to be worth watching, it was the eye candy that got me through.'Abraham said:
I think there are certainly ways to keep Ava around, but I guess happily ever after doesn't make great drama.
After the great first episode, the series is just OK for half a season as they fool around with standalone episodes and aren't yet sure how to fit the overall thread of the show into each episode. Midway through the first season, it picks up for a strong close. At the beginning of S2, it becomes a GOAT show and never looks back.'Raider Nation said:Thanks fellas, I should be able to be completely caught up by the time the next new episode airs. I'll bang out 20 of them on Sat & Sun alone. Easy to do it with no commercials.
Actually not sure I am on board with the Sheriff = Drew. Apparently they stated Drew was a law man for 20 years before his job in the mines. Seems like he never got off the radar if he was Drew. Plus the hill woman stated Drew was well off hanging out with the big wigs at some carnival. Those seem to kind of paint the sheriff as a bad choice. Would be a little revisionist'The Dude said:
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I don't suppose Winn Duffie could be Drew? That's probably a little more than implausible.
Charlie Frown
Footballguy
I loved Boyd's line to the Harlan crooks about their "crimes making them criminals", and letting them know that they are not outlaws. He is an outlaw.Really put them in their place.
Abraham
Footballguy
Doubtful since he works for theo. p
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Wow, that was great.
I love that they didn't "Dexter" up the big reveal.
Perfect pacing for it really. About an episode and half for the audience to come around to it. Right about the time I assume most pretty much knew, they went ahead with it.
Kind of lost by the end of the episode, but I loved the RV scene. It's a near certainty that when 2 people step into that RV, a great scene is on the way.
I love that they didn't "Dexter" up the big reveal.
Perfect pacing for it really. About an episode and half for the audience to come around to it. Right about the time I assume most pretty much knew, they went ahead with it.
Kind of lost by the end of the episode, but I loved the RV scene. It's a near certainty that when 2 people step into that RV, a great scene is on the way.
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Peter Lemonjello
Footballguy
The big reveal was kind of anti-climactic after Drew's identity had already been hypothesized here.
I couldn't understnad Boyd's reaction to Colt. It seems like he would have served some quick justice upon learning of that major screw up. Actually, how dangerous is the info that Ellen May has on Boyd and Ava now that it's in the hands of an outlaw as opposed to a lawman? Is there still the same urgency to dispose of her?
I couldn't understnad Boyd's reaction to Colt. It seems like he would have served some quick justice upon learning of that major screw up. Actually, how dangerous is the info that Ellen May has on Boyd and Ava now that it's in the hands of an outlaw as opposed to a lawman? Is there still the same urgency to dispose of her?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I really loved the way they went about it. I'd think it worked for both viewers that did and didn't suspect Shelby.
For those that didn't, the reveal had more an impact.
But for those that did, there was more tension leading up to it. As soon as Shelby showed up to Raylen's car, I was on pins and needles wondering what was about to happen with Raylen in the car with Drew Thompson and one of the only guys that can ID him.
Abraham
Footballguy
I'm still a little unsure of the drew stuff. Can someone help me fill in the holes?
Detroit mob wants drew because he witnessed a murder.
Drew goes in to hiding.
Years later people start thinking he may be alive.
His id is found in Arlo's wall.
Boyd wants drew so he can get in good with Detroit.
Raylan wants drew for some reason.
Drew is hiding in plain site as the sheriff.
His old deputy kills arlo so arlo won't I'd drew.
Somehow raylan figures out the deputy can I'd drew.
Drew reveals himself and flees town.
Detroit mob wants drew because he witnessed a murder.
Drew goes in to hiding.
Years later people start thinking he may be alive.
His id is found in Arlo's wall.
Boyd wants drew so he can get in good with Detroit.
Raylan wants drew for some reason.
Drew is hiding in plain site as the sheriff.
His old deputy kills arlo so arlo won't I'd drew.
Somehow raylan figures out the deputy can I'd drew.
Drew reveals himself and flees town.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I'm a little unclear on the timeline myself.Detroit mainly wants Drew because he shot Theo Tonin in the eye, which apparently really hurt. He also jacked a bunch of coke from him, I think.
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Adding to the confusion, I think if you watch last season, it was stated Shelby had worked in law enforcement previously - or something to that affect. How the people had known him for a while. That doesn't sound like a guy that dropped off the grid for a long time.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Arkin must REALLY be talkin into that ear now.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Who's hotter... Winona or Ava?
Winona's face is prettier (Ava has jacked-up teeth) but Ava's body is rockin. Hard to pick which one I'd rather smash.
*But the blonde bartender who stole Raylan's cash is hotter than both of them combined.
Winona's face is prettier (Ava has jacked-up teeth) but Ava's body is rockin. Hard to pick which one I'd rather smash.
*But the blonde bartender who stole Raylan's cash is hotter than both of them combined.
The Hardline
Footballguy
Ava. Previous posts in this thread supports this.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I searched for "Winona" in this thread... though there were random "she's hot" comments, I never saw her directly compared to Ava.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Love Ava, but Winona's hotter. Both are hotter than the bartender. Bartender's hot, but she's a bit out of her league here.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Winona is way hotter.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Timothy Olyphant is on Jimmy Fallon tonight. He'll be coming out on the east coast feed after this commercial.
I bet he's going to come out and be cool.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Limehouse sure does manage to fall ass backwards into big money all the time.
