Justin Blackmon Suspended Indefinitely (1 Viewer)

[Adam Harstad]

There is not a lot of precedent for players coming back from an indefinite suspension even if they are available for reinstatement. Onterrio Smith was suspended for a year and waived from the Vikings one month before his suspension ended. He never returned to the NFL. Tanard Jackson was suspended indefinitely and was eligible to apply for reinstatement in August 2013. He did so on the first day possible. He is still out of the league. I guess there is a chance that anything can happen, but unless you have deep benches in a dynasty, I think there likely is significant opportunity cost to holding this guy hoping he will come back some day. Worse still, hypothetically, he could come back after being dead weight for a couple of years and then last only a month before getting suspended indefinitely again. There are a lot of cases of players who have had 4 game suspensions stay on the straight and narrow for a productive remaining career. There aren't a lot who fail again and are able to come back for any meaningful amount of time as far as I know.

He's in his early 20's and has a lot more talent then either of those guys you mentioned - he'll be back next season.

I agree he will be back next season, but what if he messes up again? His dynasty value right now is not that good.

Yeah. I wish we had more information. If the NFL can, and is, testing him for alcohol, that's a really bad sign. It's one thing to hope he doesn't drive drunk, and quite another to hope he doesn't have a single beer at the wrong time.

if this suspension is for drinking alcohol the NFL is screwed up.

No more screwed up than suspending a Broncos or Seahawks player for exercising their now-legal right to engage in some recreational marijuana.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I'm not saying alcohol isn't dangerous, but I can't think of one situation in the history of the NFL where a player was suspended for a season bc of a drink (that didn't involve being arrested).

I believe this situation is unprecedented if in fact Blackmon only tested positive for alcohol. It seems that one DUI can set you down a path where your entire is destroyed because you can't completely stop drinking.

If this suspension is due to a drink that didn't lead to an arrest, then Goodell should be shot.

I think you're probably quite off base if you think this is due to one drink... Every indication has been Blackmon has had a seriously drinking problem. I wish him the best.

I agree he most likely has a serious drinking problem, but he can in fact be suspended for a single drink.

Unfortunately reality is you can lose your parole and go to back to jail for a single drink if you are a felon. He blew a .2 when he was driving. If he hit someone that night he would be in jail for a long time. Sometimes programs are there to help. Many people are not so lucky to have such interventions.

drunk driving should absolutely be punished, i don't think anyone is arguing that. But if he's just drinking and not committing any crimes i don't see why he should be punished by the NFL for that.

it might end up helping him, but the NFL is still going overboard if he in fact got popped for having some drinks.

Not overboard at all. He has 2 DUIs under his belt already and he can't stop drinking. Sounds like he has a substance abuse problem to me.

 

[Sabertooth]

So much for the talk about how much he has grown. Dumb. It's equally dumb that the substance he likely got busted for is relatively harmless but that's a different discussion.

relatively harmless? Alcohol probably a Account for more pain, death , and sorrow than every other substance combined.

 

[flysack]

Blackmon may have youth on his side, but he also has youth on his side. Dumb youth.

The thing with Vick is he was equally dumb, but he was locked up for most of his suspension, i.e. he had built in day care professionals watching him, so to speak.

Unless some people step up and set Blackmon straight (and babysit him) chances are he goes back to the culture & crowd he's accustomed to - which means destroying his body and mind.

 

[Apple Jack]

Never heard of the NFL testing for alcohol. I could see the Jags testing him as a stipulation of his contract, but the league?

 

[flysack]

So much for the talk about how much he has grown. Dumb. It's equally dumb that the substance he likely got busted for is relatively harmless but that's a different discussion.

relatively harmless? Alcohol probably a Account for more pain, death , and sorrow than every other substance combined.

Yea. One DUI you can chalk up to a poor decision at the moment, or even a fluke - he waited to sober up, but *technically* wasn't sober enough to drive.

This guy has been busted repeatedly. This is no fluke. He's an idiot.

 

[RBM]

Any reason given yet?

 

[McGarnicle]

So I own this turd in redraft. If Meriweather can try to decapitate people and get a reduced suspension on appeal, I'm not going to assume the same isn't possible here. Is the 8 games 100% mandatory and can't be appealed? Anyone know for sure?

 

[fantasycurse42]

So I own this turd in redraft. If Meriweather can try to decapitate people and get a reduced suspension on appeal, I'm not going to assume the same isn't possible here. Is the 8 games 100% mandatory and can't be appealed? Anyone know for sure?

There are certain factors, but he is most likely useless - I already dropped him.

http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010%20Drug%20Policy.pdf

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I'm not saying alcohol isn't dangerous, but I can't think of one situation in the history of the NFL where a player was suspended for a season bc of a drink (that didn't involve being arrested).

I believe this situation is unprecedented if in fact Blackmon only tested positive for alcohol. It seems that one DUI can set you down a path where your entire is destroyed because you can't completely stop drinking.

If this suspension is due to a drink that didn't lead to an arrest, then Goodell should be shot.

yup. while it might be for his own good what's next, suspending guys who drink too much red bull and use nicotine.

alcohol is legal, if he's not using it illegally the NFL shouldn't police it.

In the real world--you are absolutely right. However in the world of professional sports--the same rules do not apply. The reason for this is collective bargaining. There are many things that occur in the professional sports world that would not be legal in the "real world". Look at the draft process--in the real world it would be completely illegal. Imagine if you graduate from law school--and basically the process was that you had to work at the law firm that drafted you (you didn't have the freedom to apply to jobs at the law firms of your choice). To make a long point simple--collective bargaining has created a situation where professional athletes do not have some of the same employment freedoms as much of the rest of the world--and this was agreed upon by the players. I think the NFL has major image issues now--with a player being charged with murder (possibly multiple murders), von miller, dui's, a bullying case in Miamai--etc--so I don't see them granting much wiggle room to Blackmon here. All I can say is that I hope Blackmon uses his time wisely and gets the help he needs.

 

[blake]

So I own this turd in redraft. If Meriweather can try to decapitate people and get a reduced suspension on appeal, I'm not going to assume the same isn't possible here. Is the 8 games 100% mandatory and can't be appealed? Anyone know for sure?

There are certain factors, but he is most likely useless - I already dropped him.

http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010%20Drug%20Policy.pdf

There have been numerous reports about Blackmon over the past day, and interestingly, not once have I read anything mentioning a possible appeal. That didn't bode well, and because of that, I agree with fantasycurse42. I also owned Blackmon and released him yesterday. I don't see a possible appeal on the horizon.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I mentioned this in the other thread but I wonder if this is connected to the London incident with the jags.

And without knowing the particulars of this situation, given his profile and potential importance to the franchise, I can't believe this guy didn't have a josh Hamilton style handler/babysitter. Either via the team or his representation. I have to think if be didn't, if he gets back In the league he will

 

[Adam Harstad]

So I own this turd in redraft. If Meriweather can try to decapitate people and get a reduced suspension on appeal, I'm not going to assume the same isn't possible here. Is the 8 games 100% mandatory and can't be appealed? Anyone know for sure?

There are certain factors, but he is most likely useless - I already dropped him.

http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010%20Drug%20Policy.pdf

There have been numerous reports about Blackmon over the past day, and interestingly, not once have I read anything mentioning a possible appeal. That didn't bode well, and because of that, I agree with fantasycurse42. I also owned Blackmon and released him yesterday. I don't see a possible appeal on the horizon.

Every report I've seen mentions a possible appeal. They just say he's going to have to appeal just to be able to play NEXT season (aka "apply for reinstatement"). If they're already talking about how Blackmon may or may not be back in 2014, I have to think that 2013 is pretty much completely done at this point.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

So the Jags will move forward with Brown Shorts. Seems fitting somehow.

 

[blake]

So I own this turd in redraft. If Meriweather can try to decapitate people and get a reduced suspension on appeal, I'm not going to assume the same isn't possible here. Is the 8 games 100% mandatory and can't be appealed? Anyone know for sure?

There are certain factors, but he is most likely useless - I already dropped him.

http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010%20Drug%20Policy.pdf

There have been numerous reports about Blackmon over the past day, and interestingly, not once have I read anything mentioning a possible appeal. That didn't bode well, and because of that, I agree with fantasycurse42. I also owned Blackmon and released him yesterday. I don't see a possible appeal on the horizon.

Every report I've seen mentions a possible appeal. They just say he's going to have to appeal just to be able to play NEXT season (aka "apply for reinstatement"). If they're already talking about how Blackmon may or may not be back in 2014, I have to think that 2013 is pretty much completely done at this point.

Sorry; I thought what I was writing was obvious to a redraft owner. Nothing I've read lists anything regarding an appeal for 2013. For 2014, yes...there have been many mentions that he can appeal for reinstatement. That was not the question for this poster however, and I should have been more clear. The point is, which we both agree with is that Blackmon looks to be done for 2013.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Teal Drank

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

So the Jags will move forward with Brown Shorts. Seems fitting somehow.

I need to find reasons to laugh right now.

 

[Adam Harstad]

So I own this turd in redraft. If Meriweather can try to decapitate people and get a reduced suspension on appeal, I'm not going to assume the same isn't possible here. Is the 8 games 100% mandatory and can't be appealed? Anyone know for sure?

There are certain factors, but he is most likely useless - I already dropped him.

http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010%20Drug%20Policy.pdf

There have been numerous reports about Blackmon over the past day, and interestingly, not once have I read anything mentioning a possible appeal. That didn't bode well, and because of that, I agree with fantasycurse42. I also owned Blackmon and released him yesterday. I don't see a possible appeal on the horizon.

Every report I've seen mentions a possible appeal. They just say he's going to have to appeal just to be able to play NEXT season (aka "apply for reinstatement"). If they're already talking about how Blackmon may or may not be back in 2014, I have to think that 2013 is pretty much completely done at this point.

Sorry; I thought what I was writing was obvious to a redraft owner. Nothing I've read lists anything regarding an appeal for 2013. For 2014, yes...there have been many mentions that he can appeal for reinstatement. That was not the question for this poster however, and I should have been more clear. The point is, which we both agree with is that Blackmon looks to be done for 2013.

I understood, I was just trying to say that if the only appeal anyone is talking about is for 2014, we can probably feel pretty safe that there's no appeal for 2013. Sorry for not being clearer on that.

 

[T with T]

It's sad because this guy had Elite level talent in the class of a Dez/AJgreen/Julio type of wr and outside of Calvin he could be just as good as anyone. It just sucks he can't stay off the crack

 

[jurb26]

It's sad because this guy had Elite level talent in the class of a Dez/AJgreen/Julio type of wr and outside of Calvin he could be just as good as anyone. It just sucks he can't stay off the crack

No, he isn't near that level a talent.

 

[Statorama]

I love a good beer. In fact, I'm having one right now. But if the Jaguars signed me to a FULLY GUARANTEED 4 year 18.5 million dollar contract, with the only stipulation being that I had to quit drinking during that time, I would be so sober it would make a Mormon blush.

What if they paid you that much and you couldn't fap nor porn?

Thought about that too. Still in for the 18 Mil

 

[KellysHeroes]

with the lack of details, I really hope it wasn't a case of the NFL testers knocking on his door while he was kicking back and having a beer... pretty bogus to ban him over alcohol if he didn't get in trouble. He might of even just missed a session or test, who knows, pretty much when your in stage 2 of this program the deck really stacked against you.

Pretty good article about being in the program

http://msn.foxsports.com/lacesout/mcafeeculture-a-deeper-look-into-the-nfls-substance-abuse-program/

 

[SayWhat?]

with the lack of details, I really hope it wasn't a case of the NFL testers knocking on his door while he was kicking back and having a beer... pretty bogus to ban him over alcohol if he didn't get in trouble. He might of even just missed a session or test, who knows, pretty much when your in stage 2 of this program the deck really stacked against you.

Pretty good article about being in the program

http://msn.foxsports.com/lacesout/mcafeeculture-a-deeper-look-into-the-nfls-substance-abuse-program/

Yeah, poor Blackmon if he was kicking back having a beer when he was banned from kicking back having a beer due to his previous (and apparently continued) idiocy.

 

[Clutchfanatic]

So I own this turd in redraft. If Meriweather can try to decapitate people and get a reduced

suspension on appeal, I'm not going to assume the same isn't possible here. Is the 8 games 100% mandatory and can't be appealed? Anyone know for sure?

There are certain factors, but he is most likely useless - I already dropped him.

http://images.nflplayers.com/media

Resources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010%20Drug%20Policy.pdf

Not reading that. /*c-walks*

 

[Clutchfanatic]

It's sad because this guy had Elite level tale

nt in the class of a Dez/AJgreen/Julio type of wr and outside of Calvin he could be just as good as anyone. It just sucks he can't stay off the crack

No, he isn't near that level a talent.

Yes he is. Easily.

 

[KellysHeroes]

So I own this turd in redraft. If Meriweather can try to decapitate people and get a reduced

suspension on appeal, I'm not going to assume the same isn't possible here. Is the 8 games 100% mandatory and can't be appealed? Anyone know for sure?

There are certain factors, but he is most likely useless - I already dropped him.

http://images.nflplayers.com/media

Resources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010%20Drug%20Policy.pdf

Not reading that./*c-walks*

this is the one I wanted to post

http://msn.foxsports.com/lacesout/mcafeeculture-a-deeper-look-into-the-nfls-substance-abuse-program/

 

[Faust]

Looking at ramifications of Jaguars WR Justin Blackmon's suspension

 

[KellysHeroes]

any update from homers?

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/1/2/5266798/jaguars-should-plan-for-future-without-justin-blackmon

 

[bonesman]

any update from homers?

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/1/2/5266798/jaguars-should-plan-for-future-without-justin-blackmon

"When asked about Blackmon's future with the Jaguars during his press conference on Monday, general manager Dave Caldwell had no definite answers. In fact the team has had very little contact with the troubled superstar since his indefinite suspension was announced in November."

kind of troubling. Understandable in the sense that they had a season to finish (article published Jan 2)... but you'd think someone close to him from the team was checkin in occasionally.

 

[KellysHeroes]

any update from homers?

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/1/2/5266798/jaguars-should-plan-for-future-without-justin-blackmon

"When asked about Blackmon's future with the Jaguars during his press conference on Monday, general manager Dave Caldwell had no definite answers. In fact the team has had very little contact with the troubled superstar since his indefinite suspension was announced in November."

kind of troubling. Understandable in the sense that they had a season to finish (article published Jan 2)... but you'd think someone close to him from the team was checkin in occasionally.

I read on a Jaguars board that the team is actually not allowed to contact him or its supposed to be very limited until the NFL lifts the ban. My guess is once they hit this point, the NFL takes the player away from the team and deals with it themselves.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

They're not permitted contact.

 

[Steed]

Oof, taking away his best support system doesn't seem like the answer

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Oof, taking away his best support system doesn't seem like the answer

The Jags don't seem like they were a very good support system, probably better off away from that cesspool of a city.

 

[JaxBill]

Oof, taking away his best support system doesn't seem like the answer

The Jags don't seem like they were a very good support system, probably better off away from that cesspool of a city.

Good. Stay away.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Oof, taking away his best support system doesn't seem like the answer

I don't get that either.

 

[JaxBill]

Interesting Q and A from Jaguars writer John Oehser.

Ken from the Ville:
O, this is a bifurcated submission as a reply and question in response to your post about the Jags’ offensive "identity.” In my opinion, you really can't give an offense an "identity" until youhave your quarterback. It's premature to label our offense anything until we have our guy. Thoughts? Secondly, you mentioned the Jags will likely address wide receiver in Rounds 1-4 (probably not 1). My question to you is, why? Assuming Blackmon comes back, I feel like he, Shorts and Ace are a great group. They are young and hungry, have a lot to prove, and more importantly, are productive. Mike Brown, too. And yes... I try to use "bifurcated" whenever possible to make me sound smart. Thanks O, love what you do.
John: When I try to sound smart, I use the words, “chartreuse” and “propitious,” so I like your approach. Referencing your first question, a franchise quarterback indeed will help form the identity of the offense. That’s why when people ask about what quarterback in the draft fits the Jaguars’ offense, there’s not a definitive answer. The Jaguars’ offense isn’t a cookie cutter in which a quarterback must be forced. Take the best quarterback and work to the players’ strengths. Your second question begins, “assuming Blackmon comes back ...” That’s an assumption that can’t be made and the Jaguars aren’t making it. They’re treating Blackmon as a luxury and would welcome him back, but they’re planning as if he won’t be there.

http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-theOzone/article-1/O-Zone-A-future-steal/d4e1b3ab-d75a-4a5c-8dc7-d69a80a05d6e

 

[BeTheMatch]

Interesting Q and A from Jaguars writer John Oehser.

Ken from the Ville:
O, this is a bifurcated submission as a reply and question in response to your post about the Jags’ offensive "identity.” In my opinion, you really can't give an offense an "identity" until youhave your quarterback. It's premature to label our offense anything until we have our guy. Thoughts? Secondly, you mentioned the Jags will likely address wide receiver in Rounds 1-4 (probably not 1). My question to you is, why? Assuming Blackmon comes back, I feel like he, Shorts and Ace are a great group. They are young and hungry, have a lot to prove, and more importantly, are productive. Mike Brown, too. And yes... I try to use "bifurcated" whenever possible to make me sound smart. Thanks O, love what you do.
John: When I try to sound smart, I use the words, “chartreuse” and “propitious,” so I like your approach. Referencing your first question, a franchise quarterback indeed will help form the identity of the offense. That’s why when people ask about what quarterback in the draft fits the Jaguars’ offense, there’s not a definitive answer. The Jaguars’ offense isn’t a cookie cutter in which a quarterback must be forced. Take the best quarterback and work to the players’ strengths. Your second question begins, “assuming Blackmon comes back ...” That’s an assumption that can’t be made and the Jaguars aren’t making it. They’re treating Blackmon as a luxury and would welcome him back, but they’re planning as if he won’t be there.

http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-theOzone/article-1/O-Zone-A-future-steal/d4e1b3ab-d75a-4a5c-8dc7-d69a80a05d6e

I think they're just being prudent. Would be foolish to do otherwise. Obviously guys wash out of the league all the time, but Blackmon figures to get at least another chance or two to turn things around - with Jacksonville or elsewhere.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Owner Shad Khan stated at the Super Bowl Friday that he would "absolutely" like suspended WR Justin Blackmon back with the Jaguars in 2014.

Blackmon is eligible for reinstatement before next season, though the date on which he can file is unknown. He's a recommended Dynasty target, coming with obvious risk that should make Blackmon more affordable via trade. Blackmon just turned 24, and the Jaguars obviously still envision him as a part of their future. They're also going to be upgrading at quarterback very soon.


Source: Ryan O'Halloran on Twitter

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Jaguars GM David Caldwell reiterated Thursday that the team will welcome back Justin Blackmon when his indefinite suspension is lifted.
"At some point in time, he will be back," Caldwell said. Caldwell was echoing comments made by owner Shad Khan late last month. Blackmon is one of the biggest off-the-field headaches in all of football, but the Jaguars simply can't afford to throw in the towel on his talent. Blackmon will be a 2014 breakout candidate if he can keep his head on straight.

Source: Mark Long on Twitter

 

[msudaisy26]

There is not a lot of precedent for players coming back from an indefinite suspension even if they are available for reinstatement. Onterrio Smith was suspended for a year and waived from the Vikings one month before his suspension ended. He never returned to the NFL. Tanard Jackson was suspended indefinitely and was eligible to apply for reinstatement in August 2013. He did so on the first day possible. He is still out of the league. I guess there is a chance that anything can happen, but unless you have deep benches in a dynasty, I think there likely is significant opportunity cost to holding this guy hoping he will come back some day. Worse still, hypothetically, he could come back after being dead weight for a couple of years and then last only a month before getting suspended indefinitely again. There are a lot of cases of players who have had 4 game suspensions stay on the straight and narrow for a productive remaining career. There aren't a lot who fail again and are able to come back for any meaningful amount of time as far as I know.

He's in his early 20's and has a lot more talent then either of those guys you mentioned - he'll be back next season.

I agree he will be back next season, but what if he messes up again? His dynasty value right now is not that good.

Yeah. I wish we had more information. If the NFL can, and is, testing him for alcohol, that's a really bad sign. It's one thing to hope he doesn't drive drunk, and quite another to hope he doesn't have a single beer at the wrong time.

if this suspension is for drinking alcohol the NFL is screwed up.

No more screwed up than suspending a Broncos or Seahawks player for exercising their now-legal right to engage in some recreational marijuana.

Isn't marijuana still illegal by federal law? If so the NFL can ban the use of the substance since federal law can over ride state laws.

 

[KellysHeroes]

There is not a lot of precedent for players coming back from an indefinite suspension even if they are available for reinstatement. Onterrio Smith was suspended for a year and waived from the Vikings one month before his suspension ended. He never returned to the NFL. Tanard Jackson was suspended indefinitely and was eligible to apply for reinstatement in August 2013. He did so on the first day possible. He is still out of the league. I guess there is a chance that anything can happen, but unless you have deep benches in a dynasty, I think there likely is significant opportunity cost to holding this guy hoping he will come back some day. Worse still, hypothetically, he could come back after being dead weight for a couple of years and then last only a month before getting suspended indefinitely again. There are a lot of cases of players who have had 4 game suspensions stay on the straight and narrow for a productive remaining career. There aren't a lot who fail again and are able to come back for any meaningful amount of time as far as I know.

He's in his early 20's and has a lot more talent then either of those guys you mentioned - he'll be back next season.

I agree he will be back next season, but what if he messes up again? His dynasty value right now is not that good.

Yeah. I wish we had more information. If the NFL can, and is, testing him for alcohol, that's a really bad sign. It's one thing to hope he doesn't drive drunk, and quite another to hope he doesn't have a single beer at the wrong time.

if this suspension is for drinking alcohol the NFL is screwed up.

No more screwed up than suspending a Broncos or Seahawks player for exercising their now-legal right to engage in some recreational marijuana.

Isn't marijuana still illegal by federal law? If so the NFL can ban the use of the substance since federal law can over ride state laws.

illegal under the terms of the CBA

 

[KellysHeroes]

I'm still confused on how they test for alcohol, pee test or blood?

 

[msudaisy26]

There is not a lot of precedent for players coming back from an indefinite suspension even if they are available for reinstatement. Onterrio Smith was suspended for a year and waived from the Vikings one month before his suspension ended. He never returned to the NFL. Tanard Jackson was suspended indefinitely and was eligible to apply for reinstatement in August 2013. He did so on the first day possible. He is still out of the league. I guess there is a chance that anything can happen, but unless you have deep benches in a dynasty, I think there likely is significant opportunity cost to holding this guy hoping he will come back some day. Worse still, hypothetically, he could come back after being dead weight for a couple of years and then last only a month before getting suspended indefinitely again. There are a lot of cases of players who have had 4 game suspensions stay on the straight and narrow for a productive remaining career. There aren't a lot who fail again and are able to come back for any meaningful amount of time as far as I know.

He's in his early 20's and has a lot more talent then either of those guys you mentioned - he'll be back next season.

I agree he will be back next season, but what if he messes up again? His dynasty value right now is not that good.

Yeah. I wish we had more information. If the NFL can, and is, testing him for alcohol, that's a really bad sign. It's one thing to hope he doesn't drive drunk, and quite another to hope he doesn't have a single beer at the wrong time.

if this suspension is for drinking alcohol the NFL is screwed up.

No more screwed up than suspending a Broncos or Seahawks player for exercising their now-legal right to engage in some recreational marijuana.

Isn't marijuana still illegal by federal law? If so the NFL can ban the use of the substance since federal law can over ride state laws.

illegal under the terms of the CBA

But if the government made it legal tomorrow I don't think they could suspend a player for using it as long as it was on their own time and they didn't break any laws while using it.

 

[ghostguy123]

You guys do realize that whether a substance is legal or not doesn't really matter, right? The NFL can ban whatever they want.

However, whether it is legal or not, it should NOT be on the banned list. What a joke. Yeah, lets have our players get all drunk and do violent stupid and dangerous crap when instead they could smoke some dub. Or even use addictive and more harmful painkillers instead of smokin some dub out of a vaporizer or a pill form.

If they get caught with it and have legal ramifications, THEN suspend them.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

There is not a lot of precedent for players coming back from an indefinite suspension even if they are available for reinstatement. Onterrio Smith was suspended for a year and waived from the Vikings one month before his suspension ended. He never returned to the NFL. Tanard Jackson was suspended indefinitely and was eligible to apply for reinstatement in August 2013. He did so on the first day possible. He is still out of the league. I guess there is a chance that anything can happen, but unless you have deep benches in a dynasty, I think there likely is significant opportunity cost to holding this guy hoping he will come back some day. Worse still, hypothetically, he could come back after being dead weight for a couple of years and then last only a month before getting suspended indefinitely again. There are a lot of cases of players who have had 4 game suspensions stay on the straight and narrow for a productive remaining career. There aren't a lot who fail again and are able to come back for any meaningful amount of time as far as I know.

He's in his early 20's and has a lot more talent then either of those guys you mentioned - he'll be back next season.

I agree he will be back next season, but what if he messes up again? His dynasty value right now is not that good.

Yeah. I wish we had more information. If the NFL can, and is, testing him for alcohol, that's a really bad sign. It's one thing to hope he doesn't drive drunk, and quite another to hope he doesn't have a single beer at the wrong time.

if this suspension is for drinking alcohol the NFL is screwed up.

No more screwed up than suspending a Broncos or Seahawks player for exercising their now-legal right to engage in some recreational marijuana.

Isn't marijuana still illegal by federal law? If so the NFL can ban the use of the substance since federal law can over ride state laws.

illegal under the terms of the CBA

But if the government made it legal tomorrow I don't think they could suspend a player for using it as long as it was on their own time and they didn't break any laws while using it.

there are plenty of things that players could be suspended for that have nothing to do with their legality according to the government.

 

[KellysHeroes]

You guys do realize that whether a substance is legal or not doesn't really matter, right? The NFL can ban whatever they want.

However, whether it is legal or not, it should NOT be on the banned list. What a joke. Yeah, lets have our players get all drunk and do violent stupid and dangerous crap when instead they could smoke some dub. Or even use addictive and more harmful painkillers instead of smokin some dub out of a vaporizer or a pill form.

If they get caught with it and have legal ramifications, THEN suspend them.

Well, when pot is legalized hows it going to look when military & civil servants are out getting high as a kite on day 1. It won't look good at all IMO... it'll take a couple of yrs afterwards before people we hold at higher standards will be able to partake. The league used to have a problem with its image being a field of thugs, unbanning pot wouldn't help its image at all. If pot is legalized then I'm sure at the next CBA they will work it out, the CBA is reviewed every 5 to 7 yrs anyway

 

[ghostguy123]

You guys do realize that whether a substance is legal or not doesn't really matter, right? The NFL can ban whatever they want.

However, whether it is legal or not, it should NOT be on the banned list. What a joke. Yeah, lets have our players get all drunk and do violent stupid and dangerous crap when instead they could smoke some dub. Or even use addictive and more harmful painkillers instead of smokin some dub out of a vaporizer or a pill form.

If they get caught with it and have legal ramifications, THEN suspend them.

Well, when pot is legalized hows it going to look when military & civil servants are out getting high as a kite on day 1. It won't look good at all IMO... it'll take a couple of yrs afterwards before people we hold at higher standards will be able to partake. The league used to have a problem with its image being a field of thugs, unbanning pot wouldn't help its image at all. If pot is legalized then I'm sure at the next CBA they will work it out, the CBA is reviewed every 5 to 7 yrs anyway

WHy would the legality of marijuana change what private entities allow?

Where I work, I won't be allowed to smoke week at all whether it is legal or not. I would imagine MANY places of business will continue as they do now with marijuana not allowed. Are all the military and civil servants in Colorado all smoking up all day?

The only think legalizing pot will do is keep people from getting arrested for most of the pot related things they get arrested for now. Companies can still test you for it and penalize you for it, legal or not.

 

[KellysHeroes]

You guys do realize that whether a substance is legal or not doesn't really matter, right? The NFL can ban whatever they want.

However, whether it is legal or not, it should NOT be on the banned list. What a joke. Yeah, lets have our players get all drunk and do violent stupid and dangerous crap when instead they could smoke some dub. Or even use addictive and more harmful painkillers instead of smokin some dub out of a vaporizer or a pill form.

If they get caught with it and have legal ramifications, THEN suspend them.

Well, when pot is legalized hows it going to look when military & civil servants are out getting high as a kite on day 1. It won't look good at all IMO... it'll take a couple of yrs afterwards before people we hold at higher standards will be able to partake. The league used to have a problem with its image being a field of thugs, unbanning pot wouldn't help its image at all. If pot is legalized then I'm sure at the next CBA they will work it out, the CBA is reviewed every 5 to 7 yrs anyway

WHy would the legality of marijuana change what private entities allow?

Where I work, I won't be allowed to smoke week at all whether it is legal or not. I would imagine MANY places of business will continue as they do now with marijuana not allowed. Are all the military and civil servants in Colorado all smoking up all day?

The only think legalizing pot will do is keep people from getting arrested for most of the pot related things they get arrested for now. Companies can still test you for it and penalize you for it, legal or not.

I'm not sure on how private companies will/do handle it, my guess is that if they don't want their employee's smoking they'll have to write up contracts that employees will need to agree to in order to continue employment or accept compusation; I can see this being a legal nightmare when it happens. Not sure what civil servants agree to but I know military personal must bid by local laws and UCMJ and as long as UCMJ states smoking is no go then its punishable to them.

 

[ghostguy123]

I'm not sure on how private companies will/do handle it, my guess is that if they don't want their employee's smoking they'll have to write up contracts that employees will need to agree to in order to continue employment or accept compusation; I can see this being a legal nightmare when it happens. Not sure what civil servants agree to but I know military personal must bid by local laws and UCMJ and as long as UCMJ states smoking is no go then its punishable to them.

Here is an example. I work for the Cleveland CLinic. You won't get hired if you smoke cigarretes.

Alcohol is also legal, but you can not have any in your system while working.

They also have tests for levels of THC that I am sure can be implemented, where if you are found to be working with levels above a certain number then you would be in violation.

A lot of people (you included maybe) seem to think that the legalization of marijuana will lead to some sort of crazy pot-hazed society. It won't. I would bet that barely anyone who doesn't smoke now will start just because it becomes legal.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I'm not sure on how private companies will/do handle it, my guess is that if they don't want their employee's smoking they'll have to write up contracts that employees will need to agree to in order to continue employment or accept compusation; I can see this being a legal nightmare when it happens. Not sure what civil servants agree to but I know military personal must bid by local laws and UCMJ and as long as UCMJ states smoking is no go then its punishable to them.

Here is an example. I work for the Cleveland CLinic. You won't get hired if you smoke cigarretes.

Alcohol is also legal, but you can not have any in your system while working.

They also have tests for levels of THC that I am sure can be implemented, where if you are found to be working with levels above a certain number then you would be in violation.

A lot of people (you included maybe) seem to think that the legalization of marijuana will lead to some sort of crazy pot-hazed society. It won't. I would bet that barely anyone who doesn't smoke now will start just because it becomes legal.

nah, the world will be ok when it gets legalized.. was just wondering how it'll be handle by private sectors that do not want their emloyees smoking pot. Then again I was only randomly drug tested once in my whole life. But anyway, enough w/ the hijack