It’s a hard problem. They’ll do their best to fix it. It may be ultimately beyond their control but we’ll see.Sorry...was out all day putting a “portable” basketball hoop up.
See my reply above. That is a failure of the administration.
Neither did Trump.It’s a hard problem. They’ll do their best to fix it. It may be ultimately beyond their control but we’ll see.
The important thing, to me, is that they’re not deliberately trying to separate families, and that they’re not deliberately trying to cage children. I can forgive honest errors; I can’t forgive evil intent.
I don’t believe that. Everything I’ve read indicates that he deliberately tried to separate families and cage children, that he and Stephen Miller planned it out in order to dissuade more people from coming here. That’s based on reporting I find reputable from the New York Times and Washington Post. But if you have contradictory evidence I’d love to see it. I don’t like thinking the worst of people.Neither did Trump.
Then you need to read more unbiased sources.I don’t believe that. Everything I’ve read indicates that he deliberately tried to separate families and cage children, that he and Stephen Miller planned it out in order to dissuade more people from coming here. That’s based on reporting I find reputable from the New York Times and Washington Post. But if you have contradictory evidence I’d love to see it. I don’t like thinking the worst of people.
So here we have some problems.Then you need to read more unbiased sources.
https://www.immigrationreform.com/2020/10/22/migrant-children-separated-media-immigrationreform-com/
The Daily podcast yesterday had good coverage on the first part of this.It’s a hard problem. They’ll do their best to fix it. It may be ultimately beyond their control but we’ll see.
The important thing, to me, is that they’re not deliberately trying to separate families, and that they’re not deliberately trying to cage children. I can forgive honest errors; I can’t forgive evil intent.
The article is backed but verifiable facts linked in the paragraphs. Every child that was separated and parents could be identified was returned to them. All the cases where the parent could not be identified in the country of origin or the parent didn't accept their return are the ones that remained detained and eventually assimilated into the country based on the laws.So here we have some problems.
The first problem is that the article you posted was an opinion piece written by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) which has been categorized by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group, with close ties to white supremacists. I’m forced to reject any “news” from this source. But even if you don’t accept the SPLC description, surely you can determine for yourself, by reading the article, that it’s not a news source but instead making an argument, and any argument that begins by attacking the “mainstream media” and liberals can hardly be called an “unbiased source” as you just did.
But- lest I be accused of simply attacking the source, let’s examine the argument that it makes and see if it agrees with your assertion that Trump didn’t deliberately attempt to separate families: in fact it does not. It acknowledges that this was Trump’s plan. The only argument it attempts to make is that smugglers and the undocumented immigrants themselves are as much to blame for the calamity that occurred as Trump was. Well, maybe so, maybe not. I am willing to acknowledge that they deserve at least SOME of the responsibility as well. But that doesn’t excuse Trump’s actions, nor does it back up your assertion. In fact it does the opposite. The article details Trump’s plan, and his intent, though it appears to celebrate these (which makes me suspect that the SPLC designation of FAIR as a hate group is pretty accurate.)
one of those links are to a Twitter post. Some of you are really getting out there with where you are getting your info.The article is backed but verifiable facts linked in the paragraphs. Every child that was separated and parents could be identified was returned to them. All the cases where the parent could not be identified in the country of origin or the parent didn't accept their return are the ones that remained detained and eventually assimilated into the country based on the laws.
No this was not a malicious attempt to inflict pain and suffering on families. This was an effort to curtail illegal entry into our country. They didn't put kids in cages. They detained them in the same facilities that you see Biden putting thousands in today. You can't say he's doing it differently because he's doing the same separating. He just has the media to cover for him. The only difference is that he's not sending people away. He's letting them all through. Most without proper checks for disease or criminal backgrounds.
If that's not the case, we'd love to hear from Biden or the administration on the topic.
Again, that was not intended to be a response about the border.Was on the National News yesterday. Some sheriff from Texas said the cartels are running wild with no fear now.
Beyond their control?It’s a hard problem. They’ll do their best to fix it. It may be ultimately beyond their control but we’ll see.
The important thing, to me, is that they’re not deliberately trying to separate families, and that they’re not deliberately trying to cage children. I can forgive honest errors; I can’t forgive evil intent.
So you're going to believe two very liberal anti Trump newspapers tell you how Trump was thinking when it came to this.I don’t believe that. Everything I’ve read indicates that he deliberately tried to separate families and cage children, that he and Stephen Miller planned it out in order to dissuade more people from coming here. That’s based on reporting I find reputable from the New York Times and Washington Post. But if you have contradictory evidence I’d love to see it. I don’t like thinking the worst of people.
Deliberately? Even if they do it? You realize it's the same people who handle families and children now as during Trump.It’s a hard problem. They’ll do their best to fix it. It may be ultimately beyond their control but we’ll see.
The important thing, to me, is that they’re not deliberately trying to separate families, and that they’re not deliberately trying to cage children. I can forgive honest errors; I can’t forgive evil intent.
This is the disconnect, but its also been done to death around here too.So you're going to believe two very liberal anti Trump newspapers tell you how Trump was thinking when it came to this.
You know how I say, often, that I believe you are one of those that are easily manipulated by the media? Well this is a great example.
I wonder if releasing illegal immigrants into American communities who've tested positive for covid would be considered "evil intent".Beyond their control?
Honest errors?
We are talking about turning loose people that are here illegally without even testing them for Covid
Not what I was referring to but let’s discuss it.Beyond their control?
Honest errors?
We are talking about turning loose people that are here illegally without even testing them for Covid
Yes I believe those sources. But in this case I don’t need them, because I’ve heard Donald Trump speak about his intent regarding this subject, amd Stephen Miller as well.So you're going to believe two very liberal anti Trump newspapers tell you how Trump was thinking when it came to this.
You know how I say, often, that I believe you are one of those that are easily manipulated by the media? Well this is a great example.
Obviously the policy is different now because otherwise conservatives wouldn’t be complaining.Deliberately? Even if they do it? You realize it's the same people who handle families and children now as during Trump.
But you think they are good now cuz Biden is a really nice guy.
I wouldn't call that a moronic position. It's not consistent, but it is convenient.
.Yes I believe those sources. But in this case I don’t need them, because I’ve heard Donald Trump speak about his intent regarding this subject, amd Stephen Miller as well.
I wish that headline was closer to the truth. But it isn’t.
I don't know the immigration laws well enough. I'd leave the decision on what the quotas are to people who have a better understanding. I just know, that allowing an unlimited amount of people into the country is not something that the US could sustain without crashing the system. There are a finite number of jobs, schools, etc.So what persons would you not allow for consideration?
LmaoNot what I was referring to but let’s discuss it.
First off I wouldn’t do it. I’ve been pretty clear that public health risks should not be allowed in the country.
Second, this is a complete non story, because you’re talking about a few thousand people overall who may have Covid being allowed to come here. The USA continues to average 50,000 new Covid cases a day! So the amount that are turned loose are completely insignificant at this point.
The Commish said:For others in the "come here legally" crowd....do you support legislation that would fund the consideration of any person to come here by legal means?
I'm not sure why you're replying to my posts then. At no point have I begun discussion of the quantity of people. I quoted the question I posed initially. Perhaps you didn't read it or don't understand what I am trying to say, but it has nothing to do with quotas rather what qualifies a person for consideration to come here by legal means.I don't know the immigration laws well enough. I'd leave the decision on what the quotas are to people who have a better understanding. I just know, that allowing an unlimited amount of people into the country is not something that the US could sustain without crashing the system. There are a finite number of jobs, schools, etc.
I didn’t say that. I said it’s an extremely minor issue.Lmao
If you or I fly to Mexico for a weekend we need to pass a Covid test or we aren’t allowed to come home. But of course you have no problem with the people coming here illegally not needing to take one
Of course
While you’re correct about “unlimited”, how much we can take in is certainly open to debate. Personally I don’t think we’re close to being full. There will be plenty of room for decades to come even if we let everyone coming to our borders in.I just know, that allowing an unlimited amount of people into the country is not something that the US could sustain without crashing the system. There are a finite number of jobs, schools, etc.
Conservatives are complaining about the numbers. They went from allowing only 800 illegal entries a day and is now up to 6000 a day.Obviously the policy is different now because otherwise conservatives wouldn’t be complaining.
California has plenty of space and resources.While you’re correct about “unlimited”, how much we can take in is certainly open to debate. Personally I don’t think we’re close to being full. There will be plenty of room for decades to come even if we let everyone coming to our borders in.
Tell that to the people that live in the towns that these people are being dumped inI didn’t say that. I said it’s an extremely minor issue.
"Covid bad unless it's inconvenient to my talking points. Then it's insignificant."Lmao
If you or I fly to Mexico for a weekend we need to pass a Covid test or we aren’t allowed to come home. But of course you have no problem with the people coming here illegally not needing to take one
Of course
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/12/11/immigrant-advocates-cant-locate-parents-separated-border-children/3896940001/The article is backed but verifiable facts linked in the paragraphs. Every child that was separated and parents could be identified was returned to them. All the cases where the parent could not be identified in the country of origin or the parent didn't accept their return are the ones that remained detained and eventually assimilated into the country based on the laws.
No this was not a malicious attempt to inflict pain and suffering on families. This was an effort to curtail illegal entry into our country. They didn't put kids in cages. They detained them in the same facilities that you see Biden putting thousands in today. You can't say he's doing it differently because he's doing the same separating. He just has the media to cover for him. The only difference is that he's not sending people away. He's letting them all through. Most without proper checks for disease or criminal backgrounds.
If that's not the case, we'd love to hear from Biden or the administration on the topic.
It also seems to be working in the reverse in this thread too."Covid bad unless it's inconvenient to my talking points. Then it's insignificant."
I've always maintained that Covid was overblown. I believe CBfan is using it to point out hypocrisy.It also seems to be working in the reverse in this thread too.
We aren't keeping up numbers in this country simply with births. Quantity of people is WAY down the list of things that should impact immigration counts IMO.While you’re correct about “unlimited”, how much we can take in is certainly open to debate. Personally I don’t think we’re close to being full. There will be plenty of room for decades to come even if we let everyone coming to our borders in.
Hopefully you have the same concerns about people from the States who are opening up without restrictions coming to your town.Tell that to the people that live in the towns that these people are being dumped in
That was a good article. Shows both the good and bad of what Biden is doing. Thus far, more bad that good on that front.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-mexico-exclusive-idUSKBN2B21D8
Good article on the impact of our “Migrant President”
Havent you heard? This isnt true because like one place had more latino voters for trump than biden.If the new voting laws pass senate Biden might get tough on immigration as they will not need the extra votes.
Seems to then also mean there is hypocrisy the other way. People believing it was overblown but are now complaining about it with immigration.I've always maintained that Covid was overblown. I believe CBfan is using it to point out hypocrisy.
I said disease. I didn't say Covid.Seems to then also mean there is hypocrisy the other way. People believing it was overblown but are now complaining about it with immigration.
I’ve seen plenty on both sides when discussing the two - and you’re right.Seems to then also mean there is hypocrisy the other way. People believing it was overblown but are now complaining about it with immigration.
This is outstanding news, it gets us closer to herd immunity.Not what I was referring to but let’s discuss it.
First off I wouldn’t do it. I’ve been pretty clear that public health risks should not be allowed in the country.
Second, this is a complete non story, because you’re talking about a few thousand people overall who may have Covid being allowed to come here. The USA continues to average 50,000 new Covid cases a day! So the amount that are turned loose are completely insignificant at this point.
Have I ever posted anything that would make you think I wouldn’t?Hopefully you have the same concerns about people from the States who are opening up without restrictions coming to your town.
We sure do. All are welcome, it’s paradise; I wouldn’t be anywhere else!California has plenty of space and resources.
But the unaccompanied children are ending up in cages.Obviously the policy is different now because otherwise conservatives wouldn’t be complaining.
What are you basing this opinion on? Number of jobs available? Number of schools with open seats? Or are you just stating an opinion with no factual backing?While you’re correct about “unlimited”, how much we can take in is certainly open to debate. Personally I don’t think we’re close to being full. There will be plenty of room for decades to come even if we let everyone coming to our borders in.
I’m always open to being persuaded that my view is incorrect. If the policy is open borders, why is immigration checking the citizenship status of every vehicle that enters the United States?supermike80 said:LOL so you see long lines as immigration rules being enforced?? Thats your benchmark?