1. You buy into the political posturing, not me. Yes, that is what is going on- Rs will puff out their chests and yell about the border. Yes, we are in a current game of one side trying to slow the flow one opens it up. Nothing is done for a long term fix.
If Democrats would have allowed it, Trump WOULD have built a more secure border with walls/barriers. We both know that
2. I don't like how the Ds are handling things either currently and have said so many times. Is there a reason you and others keep posting as though i am cheering them on or something?
Not you in particularly, I apologize if it seemed I single you out - its like the point 1. you made though ... Democrats ARE responsible, they DO fight as hard as they can to thwart any GOP attempts to have more secure borders.
3. There's been a few articles posted in these threads about how the vote is turning turning or has turned with these voters too. Imagine that- they might also vote with their wallets too and are frustrated with the economy. At the very least it's close, and it's pretty ignorant to post as though they all vote the same. Even if not, I don't give two ****s how they vote, as that shouldn't be part of the decision making. You could be right, but it's also funny if you don't think the opposite is true- if they voted 80% R, do you truly think the GOP would want to seal the border?
how can they vote - they're illegal and not citizens ?
4. I agree a good portion is about the "slave labor" of it, and have said as much. Both parties profit huuuge from this situation. Again, I've said as much repeatedly which is why as much as we debate thus my belief is that we get more of the same of the last several years.
ok - let me ask you ... would Trump's administration built our southern border control/security up more if Democrats didn't fight him every day? Have you seen Biden build it up or tear it down ?
one party is way more responsible here and its not the GOP the past 6 years at least
Reading your responses - 1. thank you for the bolded. Not much drives me crazy as quickly as that.
I think I can answer a couple of your questions this way: I don't believe either side wants a long term slow of the flow of immigrants, so that is a core departure in our thinking when we are talking about this issue - you believe the GOP when they say they want to stop it. The big bucks made is bipartisan, so my belief is this is more of a political game that ebbs and flows a little, but ultimately is what they want, again - because of $. Yes, I agree with you that the Ds role in this has become to position themselves as pro-immigration (increase the flow) and the Rs are currently presenting themselves as wanting to be tough on the border (decrease flow). BUT, because of the money involved (which this part we seem to agree on), I don't think a slow of flow like Trump was after would be "allowed" long term - ie, the dems would block it from starting, or the next D president would stop production of the wall - something. Spinning the wheels like we are, and playing this game so nothing really happens to the overall flow of immigrants long term. I am just making numbers up here, but let's say overall the powers that be are OK with an average of 1M immigrants a year, they will play this game and let the GOP slow the flow to 300K a year for a little, but then it's going to be 2M for a bit when the Ds get in control. Again, just making up numbers to show my general thinking, and again - my belief is that the GOP doesn't truly want it at that 300K level as a long term solution because they are going to lose a ton of profits. Everybody needs to get paid, and each of those feeds different industries that feed off these immigrants - ie big AG benifits from more workers, and the PIC is tied to deportations and other things, so they benefit when we clamp down on the immigrants. Everybody pockets getting lined, no long term solutions.
IMO a couple things point to this being the case for me:
1. Nothing is done to speed up these applications clear the backlog. There is a benefit to have people here illegal for long stretches - industries can pay them less or don't have to pay benefits, industries I mention profit when they are arrested or deported as well. This is why the "game" is just to speed up and slow the flow of immigrants, but nothing is ever done to speed up the process to focus on legal immigration.
2. Nothing is ever done or seriously suggested to punish the practice of hiring these people on a large scale. IMO the best way to stop having so many illegals and others coming here would be to crack down severely on businesses hiring them - no jobs and opportunity, and the desire to come here largely goes away. This is why commish and I have said politicians like DeSantis are fine pointing the finger at the D states and sending people to NYC and MV, but he would probably never try to get rid of the ones in his state working the industries.
As to the voting part, what I have in mind is the immigrant vote from people who crossed, became citizens and then vote. I think when they talk about the Ds wanting these votes, they are basically just referring to the vote from the Mexican, Central American, and South American demographics. What they are suggesting is the Ds are buying their votes by letting them in - they are just so grateful for that they will largely vote D. It's being shown that is either not the case as much or at least that tide is changing. They vote with their wallet and on other topics just like everybody else. I am not suggesting that there are large numbers of illegal immigrants trying to or able to vote.