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Knile Davis RB - Arkansas (1 Viewer)

General Tso said:
lots of signs pointing to a much reduced role for Charles:

1. His carries tailed off in the second half of last season

2. Concussion in playoffs. As an NFL player these days, you only get a few of these...

3. He accounted for a disproportionate percentage of the Chiefs offense in 2013 - accounting for 35.3% of the team's yards. You cannot rely that much on one player. It's way too easy to game-plan against such a team, and it rarely happens two years in a row.

4. Ineffective week 1 performance - already pointing to a reduced role.

5. High ankle sprain in week 2. Probably will miss another week or two and even then won't be 100% for several weeks.

6. Kniles Davis playing very well in his absence. Carries the ball 22 times in week 2 and 32 times in week 3 - more carries than Charles had in any game in 2013.

I'm not saying that Charles will be phased out. Not at all. He is still going to be an active part of KC's offense. But the key phrase there is "part of". He is not going to replicate anything close to his 2013 numbers. And Davis will get carries even when Charles returns.

It reminds me a lot of the Priest Holmes / Larry Johnson situation. And we all know how that turned out.
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You forgot to put that the organization lost faith in him by giving him a new contract/extension this past off season.

 
Isn't digging through Reddit for inside information basically the equivalent of finding a scrap of paper on the ground at your local grocery store that says "Jamaal Charles injury worse than expected, Knile Davis to be lead back", then running with it?

Granted, this info aligned with what happened Sunday, but there were many more reliable sources than Reddit that were speculating that Charles would be inactive despite the overblown stories about Charles' Thursday practice appearance.

How long before we start seeing citations of references in 4Chan quoted in the Shark Pool?

 
I think the only shred of hope for Knile owners at this point for an increased workload is that there is something weird about the whole HAS report. It could've possibly been a reaggravation of Charles's box moving foot injury for all we know or that Charles isn't fully recovered from it (he did not look great in week one despite his limited opportunities)

Anytime one of my players end up with a vague "foot injury" it's a bit scary like "sprained knee".

 
chinawildman said:
I think the only shred of hope for Knile owners at this point for an increased workload is that there is something weird about the whole HAS report. It could've possibly been a reaggravation of Charles's box moving foot injury for all we know or that Charles isn't fully recovered from it (he did not look great in week one despite his limited opportunities)

Anytime one of my players end up with a vague "foot injury" it's a bit scary like "sprained knee".
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THe more I think about this scenario, the more I lean in your theory's direction. It just seems EXTREMELY odd that the Chiefs go from only giving Charles 7 touches in the opening game (one you figure they probably planned for quite a while) to giving davis 20+ and 30 + touches in back to back weeks.

Maybe Charles isn't healthy and it has to do with something else.

 
spodog said:
Isn't digging through Reddit for inside information basically the equivalent of finding a scrap of paper on the ground at your local grocery store that says "Jamaal Charles injury worse than expected, Knile Davis to be lead back", then running with it?

Granted, this info aligned with what happened Sunday, but there were many more reliable sources than Reddit that were speculating that Charles would be inactive despite the overblown stories about Charles' Thursday practice appearance.

How long before we start seeing citations of references in 4Chan quoted in the Shark Pool?
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I'm... sorry? This information helped me. . I wanted to spread the information I had. Sorry this bothered you. You can go back to your ESPN weekly and catch the Kniles Davis news there only to go to the wire to see him swooped up by Mrbiggs 2 days ago.

 
mrbigg said:
spodog said:
Isn't digging through Reddit for inside information basically the equivalent of finding a scrap of paper on the ground at your local grocery store that says "Jamaal Charles injury worse than expected, Knile Davis to be lead back", then running with it?

Granted, this info aligned with what happened Sunday, but there were many more reliable sources than Reddit that were speculating that Charles would be inactive despite the overblown stories about Charles' Thursday practice appearance.

How long before we start seeing citations of references in 4Chan quoted in the Shark Pool?
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I'm... sorry? This information helped me. . I wanted to spread the information I had. Sorry this bothered you. You can go back to your ESPN weekly and catch the Kniles Davis news there only to go to the wire to see him swooped up by Mrbiggs 2 days ago.
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didn't really bother me and wasn't trying to attack you personally. I just found Reddit a very strange place to go mining for nfl injury news. Kudos to you for turning over a rock others wouldn't have thought of. Not sure I would put much faith in Reddit sourced info but to each his own.

There is a handful of nfl reporters who generally get injury info pretty accurate and push updates out on twitter.

I drafted Davis.

 
spodog said:
mrbigg said:
spodog said:
Isn't digging through Reddit for inside information basically the equivalent of finding a scrap of paper on the ground at your local grocery store that says "Jamaal Charles injury worse than expected, Knile Davis to be lead back", then running with it?

Granted, this info aligned with what happened Sunday, but there were many more reliable sources than Reddit that were speculating that Charles would be inactive despite the overblown stories about Charles' Thursday practice appearance.

How long before we start seeing citations of references in 4Chan quoted in the Shark Pool?
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I'm... sorry? This information helped me. . I wanted to spread the information I had. Sorry this bothered you. You can go back to your ESPN weekly and catch the Kniles Davis news there only to go to the wire to see him swooped up by Mrbiggs 2 days ago.
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didn't really bother me and wasn't trying to attack you personally. I just found Reddit a very strange place to go mining for nfl injury news. Kudos to you for turning over a rock others wouldn't have thought of. Not sure I would put much faith in Reddit sourced info but to each his own.

There is a handful of nfl reporters who generally get injury info pretty accurate and push updates out on twitter.

I drafted Davis.
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The Reddit FF forum has actually been getting better. A lot more dummies, but there is sometimes wisdom in the masses.

 
mrbigg said:
spodog said:
Isn't digging through Reddit for inside information basically the equivalent of finding a scrap of paper on the ground at your local grocery store that says "Jamaal Charles injury worse than expected, Knile Davis to be lead back", then running with it?

Granted, this info aligned with what happened Sunday, but there were many more reliable sources than Reddit that were speculating that Charles would be inactive despite the overblown stories about Charles' Thursday practice appearance.

How long before we start seeing citations of references in 4Chan quoted in the Shark Pool?
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I'm... sorry? This information helped me. . I wanted to spread the information I had. Sorry this bothered you. You can go back to your ESPN weekly and catch the Kniles Davis news there only to go to the wire to see him swooped up by Mrbiggs 2 days ago.
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I found the information pretty useful. I set my roster the night before and didn't panic in waking up in time before the games begin so thanks.

Yes, its reddit and it may have been false...but it wasn't.

 
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Sucks he plays Monday night. Those of us with only Davis or Charles have to seek other options IMO. No way anything is resolved before Sunday unless Charles seriously aggravates the ankle in practice this week.

 
From PFF:

Knile Davis, HB: -7.2

Breakdown: The 132 yards on the ground that were highlighted by an impressive touchdown scamper certainly don’t tell the whole story of Davis’ day. That run and a few other positives on the ground couldn’t outweigh the negatives in other facets — Davis fumbled twice, dropped the only pass that came his way, and had a nightmare outing as a pass blocker, surrendering two sacks and a hurry to blitzing linebackers.
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/09/22/refo-chiefs-dolphins-week-3/

 
How comfortable should I feel starting Knile Davis this week?

I've got Forte in the lineup and need a RB2 with Stacy on a bye, Mathews and Moreno hurt, and Taliaferro on the bench.

 
Phenomena said:
ZigZagMan said:
How comfortable should I feel starting Knile Davis this week?

I've got Forte in the lineup and need a RB2 with Stacy on a bye, Mathews and Moreno hurt, and Taliaferro on the bench.
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Isn't Charles back? He's fodder if Charles plays.
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I agree but the MNF game will force a lot of Davis and Charles owners to make early decisions so it's a tough one.

Also, I am seeing that most Davis owners don't necessarily see Charles' return as a hammer on the head to Davis. I've seen a handful of people talking about how they offered players for Davis to put with their Charles and the Davis owners decline. I guess they are willing to bet that Davis doesn't become fairly worthless when Charles returns.

 
I think Davis owners are banking that Reid somehow notices the "style" disparity between his 2 running backs and uses Knile in situations that are more befitting his skill set, with Charles usurping some of the McCluster/McKnight/Thomas role as a receiving back. The optimism for Davis also likely has to do with the fact that KC took Denver to the final seconds and won their only game w/ Davis as the main back, whereas they got blown out at home w/ Charles. Coincidence to be sure, but in my experience, players that score like Davis has the past 2 weeks rarely go away quietly for the rest of the season. If Charles for some reason struggles upon his return, KC fans will be wondering why not more Knile Davis.

Until we see Charles put up a 2013-ish Charles game, there remains much to be seen here.

 
chinawildman said:
I think Davis owners are banking that Reid somehow notices the "style" disparity between his 2 running backs and uses Knile in situations that are more befitting his skill set, with Charles usurping some of the McCluster/McKnight/Thomas role as a receiving back. The optimism for Davis also likely has to do with the fact that KC took Denver to the final seconds and won their only game w/ Davis as the main back, whereas they got blown out at home w/ Charles. Coincidence to be sure, but in my experience, players that score like Davis has the past 2 weeks rarely go away quietly for the rest of the season. If Charles for some reason struggles upon his return, KC fans will be wondering why not more Knile Davis.

Until we see Charles put up a 2013-ish Charles game, there remains much to be seen here.
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Davis' penchant for fumbling is a background issue that is worth mentioning... he's had 6 fumbles (fumbles not fumbles lost) on 143 touches in his 2 year career... including 3 this year through 2 games

 
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Word has it that Davis is ready to supplant Charles in KC. The ankle injury is a high tear of the ankle and he is out for a week. A guy in my league dropped him and now I am going to pick him up for my team.

 
chinawildman said:
I think Davis owners are banking that Reid somehow notices the "style" disparity between his 2 running backs and uses Knile in situations that are more befitting his skill set, with Charles usurping some of the McCluster/McKnight/Thomas role as a receiving back. The optimism for Davis also likely has to do with the fact that KC took Denver to the final seconds and won their only game w/ Davis as the main back, whereas they got blown out at home w/ Charles. Coincidence to be sure, but in my experience, players that score like Davis has the past 2 weeks rarely go away quietly for the rest of the season. If Charles for some reason struggles upon his return, KC fans will be wondering why not more Knile Davis.

Until we see Charles put up a 2013-ish Charles game, there remains much to be seen here.
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The timing of FF is such a funny thing. With the next game being on MNF, if Davis comes out and plays well and doesn't fumble again, etc, Davis owners are going to be sitting on Davis for the next two years because after this year works itself out, people are going to be saying "well Charles is getting long in the tooth and he has a history of injuries now".

But they fail to see everything Charles is that Davis isn't.

On the other hand, if Charles plays MNF and puts up one of his big time games, Charles owners will immediately proclaim him cured, all that is in the past was just a hiccup and the interest in Davis will be squelched.

This is a very fun FF gamble to watch play out because someone is going to lose big on this one.

 
This remind's me of Bryce Brown two years ago who came and in and had 3 great games and everyone thought Mccoy lost his job. Then Mccoy came back from his concussion and Brown disappeared.

 
It just goes to show you that you ALWAYS handcuff your KC running back, Holmes>>>LJ>>>Charles>>>Davis, not saying Davis takes over for Charles, but I would hate to have Charles without Davis.

 
Shutout said:
chinawildman said:
I think Davis owners are banking that Reid somehow notices the "style" disparity between his 2 running backs and uses Knile in situations that are more befitting his skill set, with Charles usurping some of the McCluster/McKnight/Thomas role as a receiving back. The optimism for Davis also likely has to do with the fact that KC took Denver to the final seconds and won their only game w/ Davis as the main back, whereas they got blown out at home w/ Charles. Coincidence to be sure, but in my experience, players that score like Davis has the past 2 weeks rarely go away quietly for the rest of the season. If Charles for some reason struggles upon his return, KC fans will be wondering why not more Knile Davis.

Until we see Charles put up a 2013-ish Charles game, there remains much to be seen here.
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The timing of FF is such a funny thing. With the next game being on MNF, if Davis comes out and plays well and doesn't fumble again, etc, Davis owners are going to be sitting on Davis for the next two years because after this year works itself out, people are going to be saying "well Charles is getting long in the tooth and he has a history of injuries now".

But they fail to see everything Charles is that Davis isn't.

On the other hand, if Charles plays MNF and puts up one of his big time games, Charles owners will immediately proclaim him cured, all that is in the past was just a hiccup and the interest in Davis will be squelched.

This is a very fun FF gamble to watch play out because someone is going to lose big on this one.
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For redraft purposes, considering where he was drafted Charles owners clearly stand to lose the most if Davis becomes part of a true RBBC. Davis owners would miss out, but they get more than they expected if Charles remained healthy. It's not like Davis was likely drafted that early.

Longer term for dynasty/keeper prospects, the next several games do have some repurcussions for Davis owners to see if he's going to part of a committee this year, waiting his turn, or just a flash in the pan.

 
zamboni said:
Shutout said:
chinawildman said:
I think Davis owners are banking that Reid somehow notices the "style" disparity between his 2 running backs and uses Knile in situations that are more befitting his skill set, with Charles usurping some of the McCluster/McKnight/Thomas role as a receiving back. The optimism for Davis also likely has to do with the fact that KC took Denver to the final seconds and won their only game w/ Davis as the main back, whereas they got blown out at home w/ Charles. Coincidence to be sure, but in my experience, players that score like Davis has the past 2 weeks rarely go away quietly for the rest of the season. If Charles for some reason struggles upon his return, KC fans will be wondering why not more Knile Davis.

Until we see Charles put up a 2013-ish Charles game, there remains much to be seen here.
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The timing of FF is such a funny thing. With the next game being on MNF, if Davis comes out and plays well and doesn't fumble again, etc, Davis owners are going to be sitting on Davis for the next two years because after this year works itself out, people are going to be saying "well Charles is getting long in the tooth and he has a history of injuries now".

But they fail to see everything Charles is that Davis isn't.

On the other hand, if Charles plays MNF and puts up one of his big time games, Charles owners will immediately proclaim him cured, all that is in the past was just a hiccup and the interest in Davis will be squelched.

This is a very fun FF gamble to watch play out because someone is going to lose big on this one.
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For redraft purposes, considering where he was drafted Charles owners clearly stand to lose the most if Davis becomes part of a true RBBC. Davis owners would miss out, but they get more than they expected if Charles remained healthy. It's not like Davis was likely drafted that early.

Longer term for dynasty/keeper prospects, the next several games do have some repurcussions for Davis owners to see if he's going to part of a committee this year, waiting his turn, or just a flash in the pan.
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Like you said, I ain't losing shieeeeet boy! I got K. Davis off of the waiver at 6th priority (already a huge bargain) and he produced like a mad man. Now there was a wave of WW add this week and I'm back at 6th again, but I do not think anyone of them will have the same impact Knile Davis had. The JC owner wants Davis. I'm holding tight. Could be next week. Could be during playoffs, but I'm waiting for that moment when JC goes down again and I'm going to foreclosed on all his assets like it was 1929.

 
Rotoworld:

FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reported Sunday morning that Knile Davis will get "some action" in Monday night's game against the Patriots, even with Jamaal Charles (probable, ankle) returning.

Charles is fully expected to start against the Pats, but it would be smart for the Chiefs to give a few extra carries to power back Davis. Charles should fill the passing-game and lead back roles, particularly after Davis allowed two sacks in pass protection last week. Davis won't be much of a flex option against the Patriots. Charles should resume his usual RB1 production.



Sep 28 - 12:58 PM
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I have JC and KD could see rolling both out at home some games if the matchup is right. They are a different team at Arrowhead.

 
17seconds said:
Dave Richard from CBS said if Knile keeps performing well then Charles may not even be the lead back remainder of the regular season. Kind of an extreme position, but it makes you think. Why not keep Charles out until after the week 6 bye if Knile keeps killing it?

We all assume Charles just jumps right back in there at 25 carries a game soon but sometimes real football decisions are different than fantasy.
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dave richard has some really weird views. this one is particularly insane.

 
Top-5 numbers so far for Davis. Too bad we only got one game out of him. I'm just hope he doesn't go back to just returning kicks.

 
Charles owner, league the league in points but 2-2 after losing the two games JC was hurt/out. With a surplus of WR - I usually start 4 WR/1 RB, PPR - I just traded Tate III for Davis. Pretty amped to have the surest handcuff in the league, and with a good matchup I might roll him into the flex.

 
Every year it seems an RB comes out of nowhere to post big numbers during the fantasy playoffs. Is Knile Davis that RB this year? If Charles doesn't play, Knile makes for a very intriguing plug and play at home against the Raiders

I have a suspicion that one or more of Davis, Lat Murray and Crowell are going to go big this weekend. Decisions, decisions.

 
LawFitz said:
Every year it seems an RB comes out of nowhere to post big numbers during the fantasy playoffs. Is Knile Davis that RB this year? If Charles doesn't play, Knile makes for a very intriguing plug and play at home against the Raiders

I have a suspicion that one or more of Davis, Lat Murray and Crowell are going to go big this weekend. Decisions, decisions.
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Fresh legs baby!!

 
mere blitzianity said:
charles will play according to Reid
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Oh

Charles was one of four players held out of Kansas Citys first practice of the week, although coach Andy Reid expressed confidence that Charles would be good to go in time to face the Raiders.

I think hell be OK but hes going to go through treatment, Reid said, via the teams website. Well just see.
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I expect him to sit out Thursday as well. Dealing with two injuries and General Soreness. Practices Friday he should be fine.

 
LawFitz said:
Every year it seems an RB comes out of nowhere to post big numbers during the fantasy playoffs. Is Knile Davis that RB this year? If Charles doesn't play, Knile makes for a very intriguing plug and play at home against the Raiders

I have a suspicion that one or more of Davis, Lat Murray and Crowell are going to go big this weekend. Decisions, decisions.
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Think cJ Anderson already claimed that role

 
BobbyLayne said:
mere blitzianity said:
charles will play according to Reid
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Oh
Charles was one of four players held out of Kansas Citys first practice of the week, although coach Andy Reid expressed confidence that Charles would be good to go in time to face the Raiders.

I think hell be OK but hes going to go through treatment, Reid said, via the teams website. Well just see.
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I expect him to sit out Thursday as well. Dealing with two injuries and General Soreness. Practices Friday he should be fine.
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General Soreness is a tough SOB

 
Gvindy said:
BobbyLayne said:
mere blitzianity said:
charles will play according to Reid
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Oh
Charles was one of four players held out of Kansas Citys first practice of the week, although coach Andy Reid expressed confidence that Charles would be good to go in time to face the Raiders.

I think hell be OK but hes going to go through treatment, Reid said, via the teams website. Well just see.
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I expect him to sit out Thursday as well. Dealing with two injuries and General Soreness. Practices Friday he should be fine.
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General Soreness is a tough SOB
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He's a cousin of mine.
 
General Tso said:
Gvindy said:
BobbyLayne said:
mere blitzianity said:
charles will play according to Reid
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Oh
Charles was one of four players held out of Kansas Citys first practice of the week, although coach Andy Reid expressed confidence that Charles would be good to go in time to face the Raiders.

I think hell be OK but hes going to go through treatment, Reid said, via the teams website. Well just see.
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I expect him to sit out Thursday as well. Dealing with two injuries and General Soreness. Practices Friday he should be fine.
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General Soreness is a tough SOB
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He's a cousin of mine.
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Haha!

 
Rotoworld:

Knile Davis - RB - Chiefs

Knile Davis rushed nine times for 11 yards and a score and caught a 70-yard touchdown pass Week 15 against the Raiders.

Jamaal Charles was knocked out of the game by a big hit inside the Raiders' five late in the third quarter. Davis entered the game and scored on a three-yard rush the next play. Charles was cleared of a concussion on the sidelines, but Davis ended up closing out the blowout win. Davis' best play of the game was a 70-yard catch-and-run touchdown in which he simply ran away from the Raiders' defense. Davis is nothing but a handcuff for Jamaal Charles, but he would be an RB1 if Charles ever went down.

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