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Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - TMZ (1 Viewer)

NREC34 said:
I thought Lebron gave a good speech last night. Probably planned to throw the paper down on the floor but a good speech nonetheless. I turned it off after the game started because I just don’t care much about the NBA anymore. 
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Of course he did. The paper was just a prop. He did a great job regardless. 

 
Mr. Ham said:
Previous claim they were 20-30 feet from missing the hill is true, BUT they would have faced the next hill almost immediately. Based on description of final descent in altitude from 2,300 to 1,300 the pilot was likely disoriented during that span and might not have know if he was climbing or falling. Imagine finding yourself careening in a pool of milk and not knowing if you were up or down. Rather than looking at gauges, he was probably in a panic searching for something visual to orient himself by. That was probably what was going on for those last few seconds. But even if he had been 30 feet higher, at 165 mph plus he was a few seconds away from the inevitabile given that terrain.

Seems the lessons coming from this will be when and when not to give pilots (especially those whose crafts or themselves are not permitted) special visual flight rules. Also, from a pilot friend, it’s never a good practice to have a single pilot on a craft, if you can help it.
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The picture I saw made it look like they were a lot more than 20-30 feet from the top of the ridge. Unless I'm misunderstanding what is meant by that.

 
Jesus.   Did anyone see Coach K lose his mind the other night at the Duke students?  They were chanting "Jeff Capel, sit with us" like they claim they do to anyone they like.  Coach K was flailing his arms and screaming at them to shut up and that he's one of us.  After the game, Coach K admitted he didn't hear what they were chanting and that should be the end of it, right?

Nope, now he's claiming he was in a fragile emotional state over the death of Kobe.  Gross.  

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/coach-k-tells-cameron-crazies-his-outburst-was-in-part-due-to-kobe-bryants-death/

 
Mr. Ham said:
Previous claim they were 20-30 feet from missing the hill is true, BUT they would have faced the next hill almost immediately. Based on description of final descent in altitude from 2,300 to 1,300 the pilot was likely disoriented during that span and might not have know if he was climbing or falling. Imagine finding yourself careening in a pool of milk and not knowing if you were up or down. Rather than looking at gauges, he was probably in a panic searching for something visual to orient himself by. That was probably what was going on for those last few seconds. But even if he had been 30 feet higher, at 165 mph plus he was a few seconds away from the inevitabile given that terrain.

Seems the lessons coming from this will be when and when not to give pilots (especially those whose crafts or themselves are not permitted) special visual flight rules. Also, from a pilot friend, it’s never a good practice to have a single pilot on a craft, if you can help it.
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Here's what's being proposed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theweek.com/speedreads-amp/892834/california-congressman-introduces-helicopter-safety-bill-honoring-kobe-gianna-bryant

 
Mr. Ham said:
I’d seen that 20-30 foot figure quoted a few times in articles, but it didn’t parse with pictures from afar, in which wreckage appeared to be maybe 1/3 up a big hill.

I believe there is a ridge right where they crashed, then what looks like a much taller hill rising up behind that smaller ridge. So when it’s claimed they narrowly averted impact, it seems to refer to the small ridge before the bigger one. At the rate they were traveling, unless they banked and climbed dramatically, impact probably would have happened some seconds later somewhere nearby. The concept that they narrowly averted disaster seems to be overstated. 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSHpbGhy3Ko

Seems realistic and researched, would indicate they were screwed no matter what.

 
Read that allegedly Natalia was rushed to the hospital after hearing the news. She suffers from asthma and couldn't stop hyperventilating. 😥

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Jesus.   Did anyone see Coach K lose his mind the other night at the Duke students?  They were chanting "Jeff Capel, sit with us" like they claim they do to anyone they like.  Coach K was flailing his arms and screaming at them to shut up and that he's one of us.  After the game, Coach K admitted he didn't hear what they were chanting and that should be the end of it, right?

Nope, now he's claiming he was in a fragile emotional state over the death of Kobe.  Gross.  

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/coach-k-tells-cameron-crazies-his-outburst-was-in-part-due-to-kobe-bryants-death/
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May need to change my vote on whether he is worse than ISIS.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Jesus.   Did anyone see Coach K lose his mind the other night at the Duke students?  They were chanting "Jeff Capel, sit with us" like they claim they do to anyone they like.  Coach K was flailing his arms and screaming at them to shut up and that he's one of us.  After the game, Coach K admitted he didn't hear what they were chanting and that should be the end of it, right?

Nope, now he's claiming he was in a fragile emotional state over the death of Kobe.  Gross.  

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/coach-k-tells-cameron-crazies-his-outburst-was-in-part-due-to-kobe-bryants-death/
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He also berated Dillon Brooks for shooting a 3 before the expiration of the shot clock in the Ducks win over Duke.  Stay classy, Coach K. 

 
Mr. Ham said:
Previous claim they were 20-30 feet from missing the hill is true, BUT they would have faced the next hill almost immediately. Based on description of final descent in altitude from 2,300 to 1,300 the pilot was likely disoriented during that span and might not have know if he was climbing or falling. Imagine finding yourself careening in a pool of milk and not knowing if you were up or down. Rather than looking at gauges, he was probably in a panic searching for something visual to orient himself by. That was probably what was going on for those last few seconds. But even if he had been 30 feet higher, at 165 mph plus he was a few seconds away from the inevitabile given that terrain.

Seems the lessons coming from this will be when and when not to give pilots (especially those whose crafts or themselves are not permitted) special visual flight rules. Also, from a pilot friend, it’s never a good practice to have a single pilot on a craft, if you can help it.
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I guess the only positive thing to come out of this tragedy is that they were going 165mph in heavy cloud cover when they impacted the hill.  Nobody suffered as they never knew what hit them as is was over in a split second.

 
Da Guru said:
I guess the only positive thing to come out of this tragedy is that they were going 165mph in heavy cloud cover when they impacted the hill.  Nobody suffered as they never knew what hit them as is was over in a split second.
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But if it banked a hard left and descended before crashing, they knew. I read there was a fast decent before the crash so they had to know something was wrong. 

Looking forward to see Kobe tributes at the sb today. Go niners.

 
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Not sure if there are any golf fans in here but Tony Finau has been wearing Kobe's jersey and shoes on the 16th at the Waste Management Open in Phoenix.  Fans chanting "Kobe" on the hole.  Really pretty cool, especially since golf can be rather stodgy. 

Oh, and Finau has the lead, which is rather rare for him.  If he wins this one, would be a neat sports story. 

 
General Malaise said:
Not sure if there are any golf fans in here but Tony Finau has been wearing Kobe's jersey and shoes on the 16th at the Waste Management Open in Phoenix.  Fans chanting "Kobe" on the hole.  Really pretty cool, especially since golf can be rather stodgy. 

Oh, and Finau has the lead, which is rather rare for him.  If he wins this one, would be a neat sports story. 
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JT also wore a Lower Merion jersey. The flag on 16 is his jersey today, #24 and #8 are painted around the green, and the hole is 24 feet deep and 8 feet from the left edge.

 
fissure man said:
Kobe would have won last night. 
 

In all seriousness, I just plain don’t like the dude. I can’t stand his woe is me, melodramatic attitude. I think he’s a racist. He flops. The man wears a toupee on his head. He is the antithesis of everything I believe in and represents an entire generation of softies that a self-admitted neanderthal like me just plain doesn’t like or respect.

That might show how I’m a flawed person, to which I am, but in this case, I’m perfectly fine with it. 
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Even people you don't like can do something good once in a while.  That's how I look at it.  And that good thing doesn't erase the bad.  

 
TheIronSheik said:
Even people you don't like can do something good once in a while.  That's how I look at it.  And that good thing doesn't erase the bad.  
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I think he’s an excellent father and at heart, below the facade and chronic attention whoring (which to be fair describes a lot of people), I think he’s a good person. 
 

 
fissure man said:
I think he’s an excellent father and at heart, below the facade and chronic attention whoring (which to be fair describes a lot of people), I think he’s a good person. 
 
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I'm totally agreeing with you.  I don't get when people get all bent out of shape because you dislike someone.  

 
What are the odds that pat mahomes actually watches kobe videos to help get himself focused before games? 

That didnt seem very believable to me. Does he have a longstanding connection with Kobe or something? 

 
The memorials are coming down in LA today. Flowers will be turned to mulch and sprinkled in the greens there while all the zillion items will be categorized and sent to Vanessa at her request. 

 
CurlyNight said:
She says you need to hear the whole interview, not just clips. I didn't watch it so I don't know. But as a journalist for a major network it's entirely possible that they told her what to ask. 
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I don’t object to her question and I think it was reasonable and appropriate.  She should have defended journalism rather than attacking her own network, she asked the question one way or the other.  And I think it was her own line and not the network as she did ask a followup 

 
i haven’t checked in for a bit.  are celebutards still trying to one up each other in how much they are grieving kobe by telling senseless stories, decorating sneakers and making ridiculous analogies?  i get it, your father’s uncle played a season of hoops overseas with jellybean’s friend.

 
Judge Smails said:
Not a good day for Gayle King. That Lisa Leslie interview may result in a Megan Kelly II type career exit. Snoop went OFF!

https://www.instagram.com/p/B8NdfPjHQft/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again
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Smack Tripper said:
I don’t object to her question and I think it was reasonable and appropriate.  She should have defended journalism rather than attacking her own network, she asked the question one way or the other.  And I think it was her own line and not the network as she did ask a followup 
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I thought the opposite. It was her way to bring up a controversial topic in the form of thinly veiled statements posed as questions to someone who was a close friend. She already knows how the questions will be addressed. So why put it out there in the first place? It's bull#### journalism. Then she acts all shocked by inevitable outrage from the fire she started. 

 
Mr. Ham said:
I think the people have spoken in terms of how that period of his life should factor into his legacy. But am I the only one that thought it was an interesting interview, and Leslie put those events in context?

I really loved Kobe, but after all he was tried for rape, and settled in a civil suit. I don’t think those events define him, and the overwhelming majority aren’t seeking to do so, but I also think it’s a conversation worth having.
 
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The thing is the case is closed with the settlement. It doesn't necessarily mean he is guilty. If the case was still unresolved then that's one thing. But the bodies are not even 2 weeks cold. His wife and other daughters are crushed. Imo they come first here. Have some respect for the family. They haven't had their services yet. I think there's an appropriate time for people to debate this but it's certainly not now. It's disrespectful to the family who is trying to go on without their son, father, husband..

 
TwinTurbo said:
I thought the opposite. It was her way to bring up a controversial topic in the form of thinly veiled statements posed as questions to someone who was a close friend. She already knows how the questions will be addressed. So why put it out there in the first place? It's bull#### journalism. Then she acts all shocked by inevitable outrage from the fire she started. 
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You put it out there because you're theoretically the surrogate for the audience and its a question they may have.  It is ironic, at a minimum, that a guy who faced that accusation became so involved with women sports, including womens college and the WNBA.   Lisa Leslie, you're a player, how do you feel about that?  Thats a totally fine and reasonable question and her non answer may be the answer but its not the interviewers job to assume or presume the answer to the subject.  

It is likewise the responsibility of the interviewer to have a modicum of a spine which Gayle King entirely lacks and is a pure hack.  She should be left to the realm of junkets if she's not interested in asking a challenging question.  She should face the heat.

 
Looks like I can stick my head in here again...

The case got dismissed because the girl wouldn’t testify. She was afraid to testify because her name got out and the internet went crazy. Then Kobe “apologized” and in that apology he stated (direct quote, look it up):  “I understand why she feels she didn’t consent.”

I UNDERSTAND WHY SHE FEELS SHE DIDN’T CONSENT?!?!

 
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So, if Kobe were white, would Snoop be ok with the question?

Asking for a racist friend.

 
I think if Kobe died alone in a solo accident then saying “I’m glad karma caught up” or whatever else wouldn’t be as bad but there were 8 other victims including children so for people to be celebrating Kobe’s death is to be celebrating the others that died along side him and that is disgusting. People done celebrate that terrorist died in plane crashes on 9/11.

 
CurlyNight said:
The thing is the case is closed with the settlement. It doesn't necessarily mean he is guilty. If the case was still unresolved then that's one thing. But the bodies are not even 2 weeks cold. His wife and other daughters are crushed. Imo they come first here. Have some respect for the family. They haven't had their services yet. I think there's an appropriate time for people to debate this but it's certainly not now. It's disrespectful to the family who is trying to go on without their son, father, husband..
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You should really read John Cheever's "Torch Song."

 
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