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Kregg Lumpkin to get more PT (1 Viewer)

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Kregg Lumpkin-RB-Packers Sep. 15 - 1:57 pm et

Packers coach Mike McCarthy says that rookie Kregg Lumpkin "absolutely" earned more playing time going forward with his Week 2 effort.

Lumpkin had a 19-yard carry and 22 yards on three catches. The former Georgia Bulldog is effective in blitz pickup and could steal some third-down snaps from Brandon Jackson. He isn't a real threat to Ryan Grant's carries.

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

 
He has impressed me in all of preseason and in the game yesterday. I think he is certainly worth a spot in larger dynasty leagues.

 
I thought Brandon jackson looked good yesterday also. It was Grant who was the most unimpressive of the three in the end.

 
I thought Brandon jackson looked good yesterday also. It was Grant who was the most unimpressive of the three in the end.
:eek: i don't think anyone saying BJ was bad yesterday watched the game.Lumpkin looked solid in limited duty as well.Grant on the other hand...we'll let's just say he's lucky he got a new contract before the season.
 
Grant couldn't get going yesterday, however it was pretty clear when he was in the game he was getting the ball so the Lions D keyed in on him.

Jackson and Lumpkin were in on the passing downs, so when they got the ball it wasn't like the defense was expecting a run (except Jackson's TD run in the 4th quarter when the Packers were trying to run out the clock.)

 
i like Lumpkin to be the main ball carrier should Grant miss games.

he has more of a traditional runner's look and feel. hits the hole hard on one cut, looks powerful and has some shake. he looks like a really nice fit for the ZBS.

 
i like Lumpkin to be the main ball carrier should Grant miss games.he has more of a traditional runner's look and feel. hits the hole hard on one cut, looks powerful and has some shake. he looks like a really nice fit for the ZBS.
:confused:Lumpkin is a true one speed, one cut runner. He knows how to run behind his pads and is an all out effort guy. His vision needs a little work because he can sometimes outrun his blocks, but this preseason he showed improvement in that area. No wiggle, but he is a power back that will wear down a defense.showed soft hands at Georgia and natural ball catching ability (arms extended - away from body). With Grant being gimpy and Jackson being, well, Brandon Jackson I'm getting Lumpkin and stashing him in my dynasty leagues.of course, I do have a soft spot for Georgia RBs in the pros. :wub:
 
BLOX said:
If Grant were to miss time it'd be RBBC between Jackson/Lumpkin.
The most overused phrase used on this board is, if the starter (fill in the blank) goes down, it will be a RBBC. I guess most of the 2nd and 3rd stringers in the NFL aren't capable of getting most of the carries, lol.
 
I thought Brandon jackson looked good yesterday also. It was Grant who was the most unimpressive of the three in the end.
:wolf: i don't think anyone saying BJ was bad yesterday watched the game.

Lumpkin looked solid in limited duty as well.

Grant on the other hand...we'll let's just say he's lucky he got a new contract before the season.
Yeah...cause the coaches and Ted Thompson are evaluating him only on how he has performed when limited by this injury.

:D

Oh...and Grant was far and away better against Minnesota...

 
I've been very impressed with Lumpkin and I think he needs to be given more of a chance as long as Grant remains gimpy. Disclaimer - I'm not a Brandon Jackson fan. I didn't like the pick last year and didn't think he'd be a good starting RB and unfortunately for the Packers he wasn't. That said, I think Lumpkin shows more natural running ability than Jackson. As Cecil said, he has a real good feel for the one-cut offense the Packers run. In my opinion, he's the second-best RB on the team right now and only Jackson's draft status is keeping him No. 2 on the depth chart (though I know some Packer fans on this board will disagree with me about that). If anything were to happen to Grant, I could see Jackson getting the first chance to start, failing again, and Lumpkin being the more productive RB. If you're in a larger league and have the roster spot to spare I'd grab him because I am worried Grant's hamstring injury might not go away anytime soon. Those injuries tend to linger and it wouldn't surprise me if Grant played most, and maybe all, of the season with it.

 
I have said this a number of times elsewhere, but Lumpkin was the best back at UGA when healthy (prior to Moreno's arrival). The guy I know who works for the UGA football team made it clear (he's a former player at FSU, his dad was an NFL head coach, and he's one of the Bulldog's trainers)There are certain skills that are more difficult to teach because they are instinctive. Those skills Lumpkin has. Among Brown-Ware-Lumpkin, it was Lumpkin who hit the hole the hardest, blocked the best, and displayed the best vision and patience.

If he can remain healthy, he'll regain enough speed to be effective as a starter. After his freshman season he was well on his way to becoming an elite college runner before he tore his ACL.

You just never know with some guys. When I got a chance to cover UGA football up close for a season (years ago I would go to daily practices, attend the coach's press conference, and interview the players after practice), there were two backs headed in different directions. Both had talent, but one was a Heisman candidate and the other was seen as not tough enough because he had hamstring issues.

When the Heisman candidate got to the pros, he had an injury riddled career that began with his toughness being questioned by his first coach (Buddy Ryan). He eventually proved his toughness later in his career (beyond a shadow of a doubt). This player was Garrison Hearst

The second stringer who Lammey loves is of course, TD.

Some guys just can't catch a break - sometimes it is in the pros, sometimes it is in college. I'd rather it happen in college, because you're younger, the body heals quicker, and you learn how to overcome adversity and take better care of yourself sooner than later.

 
For anyone who wants to get a look at the kid, the NFL Network is replaying the game from Sunday at the top of the hour in about 15 minutes. During Green Bay's second series, Lumpkin catches a pass and rips off a 19-yard run. Check out what Edgar Bennett says about him:

A beaming smile crossed the face of Edgar Bennett when the question was posed to him.Does rookie running back Kregg Lumpkin remind you of anybody?The Green Bay Packers running backs coach began to answer but stopped abruptly."Yeah he does," Bennett said, "but I don't really want to say right now. At some point, we'll talk about that."Suffice to say, it's someone pretty good.The Packers kept the undrafted free agent from Georgia for good reason, it appears. Lumpkin beat out proven veterans Noah Herron and Vernand Morency for the No. 3 running spot and already has carved out a role for himself. A week after he was active but did not play in the season opener against the Minnesota Vikings, there was Lumpkin on the field during the Packers' second offensive series on Sunday against the Detroit Lions. On the third play of the series, Lumpkin lined up as the lone back in a three-receiver set with one tight end. The play was a fake-reverse and a dump-off pass to Lumpkin. He gained only 2 yards, but it was a play specifically designed for him. That coach Mike McCarthy made that call so early in the game spoke volumes about his trust in Lumpkin.Lumpkin went on to play just nine snaps, including two kneel-downs at the end, but he took advantage of his limited opportunities. On his lone carry, he ripped off a 19-yard gain by finding a hole between left tackle Chad Clifton and left guard Daryn Colledge and following fullback John Kuhn. On that play, Lumpkin showed the savvy of a veteran by quickly understanding how quarterback Aaron Rodgers changed the call at the line of scrimmage."Originally that play was designed to go the other way, and they overloaded the front one way so it was an excellent decision by Aaron to switch the direction of the play," offensive coordinator Joe Philbin said. "Kregg just did his job. He stayed on his aiming point. We had pretty good blocking by the line, we mugged up the linebacker and he hit the hole hard and got a couple extra yards after contact."Lumpkin also caught three passes for 22 yards, including a 12-yarder on a second-quarter screen."He can perform in all the situations," Bennett said. "He does a good job with the pass protection, the run game obviously and he has good hands out of the backfield. This kid is coming on. Every time he's gotten an opportunity, he's made the most of it."Though McCarthy typically does not discuss playing-time specifics, he did not hesitate when asked if Lumpkin had earned more opportunities."Absolutely," McCarthy said. "I can't say enough about him. I feel like I say the same thing every time you ask about Kregg Lumpkin, but he has taken advantage of every opportunity he has been given here. He had a plus performance in the opportunities he had. He's physical. He was involved in some special-teams snaps that he was physical. There are some technical things that he can learn from, and he'll improve on. I definitely felt he improved on an individual basis, and he contributed, and I feel very comfortable going with all three running backs."Lumpkin's workload increased in practice last week, when starter Ryan Grant and top backup Brandon Jackson both missed time due to injuries. Grant remains slowed by a hamstring injury that limited his effectiveness against the Lions. He gained only 20 yards on 15 carries and for the second straight game gave way to Jackson late in the game. Jackson, who sustained a concussion in Week 1 against the Vikings, gained 61 yards on seven carries against the Lions.Seemingly a long shot to make the team when the Packers gave him a $4,000 signing bonus after the draft, Lumpkin seemed determined to make up for a disappointing college career. When he signed with Georgia out of high school, scouts rated him as one of the top-five running back prospects in the country. Injuries derailed his college career. After playing in 12 games as a true freshman, he missed his sophomore season in 2004 due to a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee. He returned as a backup in 2005 but finally won the starting job in 2006, when he led the team with 798 yards. As a senior last year, he played in only five games before thumb and knee injuries ended his season, which likely caused him to go undrafted."In the spring, sometimes it's hard to tell where a guy's at when he doesn't have pads on," Philbin said. "You give them the runs and expose them to the offense, but you don't really know what you have in a running back in the spring. So he came back in camp, and he's got a good grasp of what we're looking to do. He's not a dancer, which I think helps him here in what we do. This isn't that hard of a game. If he can make some yards in a game, you keep feeding him a little bit, and I think he has a chance."The Packers' No. 3 running backs in recent years haven't been all that productive, but Lumpkin has a chance to change that. The 5-foot-11 and 228-pounder appears to be a quick learner. Early in camp, Bennett harped on Lumpkin about his pad level, and he almost immediately corrected it."The kid has a great attitude," Bennett said. "That's maybe his strongest attribute – his attitude. That's what shows up the most. It's going to be interesting to see how he continues to grow. He's just got to continue to improve."Perhaps then Bennett will make his comparison public.
 
Much value in redrafts?
Hard to say. If you have a spot, I'd jump on him now, as McCarthy has already indicated he is in-line for more playing time. Better to get him now before he starts putting up numbers that let the rest of the CBS Sportsline crowd aware of him.
 
I have said this a number of times elsewhere, but Lumpkin was the best back at UGA when healthy (prior to Moreno's arrival). The guy I know who works for the UGA football team made it clear (he's a former player at FSU, his dad was an NFL head coach, and he's one of the Bulldog's trainers)There are certain skills that are more difficult to teach because they are instinctive. Those skills Lumpkin has. Among Brown-Ware-Lumpkin, it was Lumpkin who hit the hole the hardest, blocked the best, and displayed the best vision and patience. If he can remain healthy, he'll regain enough speed to be effective as a starter. After his freshman season he was well on his way to becoming an elite college runner before he tore his ACL. You just never know with some guys. When I got a chance to cover UGA football up close for a season (years ago I would go to daily practices, attend the coach's press conference, and interview the players after practice), there were two backs headed in different directions. Both had talent, but one was a Heisman candidate and the other was seen as not tough enough because he had hamstring issues. When the Heisman candidate got to the pros, he had an injury riddled career that began with his toughness being questioned by his first coach (Buddy Ryan). He eventually proved his toughness later in his career (beyond a shadow of a doubt). This player was Garrison Hearst The second stringer who Lammey loves is of course, TD. Some guys just can't catch a break - sometimes it is in the pros, sometimes it is in college. I'd rather it happen in college, because you're younger, the body heals quicker, and you learn how to overcome adversity and take better care of yourself sooner than later.
:unsure: I remember his name from a pre-draft audible podcast where you were talking him up.
 
If Grant goes down i think we'll see a great rushing attack with a BJ/Lumpkin combo.

It's already a full fledged RBBC in GB with Grant and BJ, and it's possible it might turn into the dreaded 3 headed attack which will zap all of their FF potential.

 
So should dynasty BJax owners collectively drop him and pick up Lumpkin right now?

 
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If Grant goes down i think we'll see a great rushing attack with a BJ/Lumpkin combo.

It's already a full fledged RBBC in GB with Grant and BJ, and it's possible it might turn into the dreaded 3 headed attack which will zap all of their FF potential.
You can keep claiming this...it will not make it come true.
 
If Grant goes down i think we'll see a great rushing attack with a BJ/Lumpkin combo.

It's already a full fledged RBBC in GB with Grant and BJ, and it's possible it might turn into the dreaded 3 headed attack which will zap all of their FF potential.
You can keep claiming this...it will not make it come true.
sho - I hear what you're saying, the above statement is def overblown, but you can't deny that if Lumpkin keeps showing like he did against Detroit he will become a problem for Grant owners.
 
If Grant goes down i think we'll see a great rushing attack with a BJ/Lumpkin combo.

It's already a full fledged RBBC in GB with Grant and BJ, and it's possible it might turn into the dreaded 3 headed attack which will zap all of their FF potential.
You can keep claiming this...it will not make it come true.
I've been claiming this even before Grant's injury. those high up in the organization were extremely happy with BJ's progress and were going to get him involved more.Yes, if Grant was healthy he would be getting more then 12 carries a game, but he won't be getting the 20+ many expect. Now with Lumpy involved Grant will be lucky to get 60% of the carries even when healthy.

We can agree to disagree on this subject but i'm fairly certain i am right.

 
The only thing Grant owners have to be concerned about is his hamstring. If he's healthy, he's the best RB on the team and will be used accordingly. But as long as he's ailing, the threat of Jackson and/or Lumpkin taking carries is very real.

 
Lumpkin looks good enough to force his way committee right now. Sorry Ryan Grant owners.

 
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I've been claiming this even before Grant's injury. those high up in the organization were extremely happy with BJ's progress and were going to get him involved more.

Yes, if Grant was healthy he would be getting more then 12 carries a game, but he won't be getting the 20+ many expect. Now with Lumpy involved Grant will be lucky to get 60% of the carries even when healthy.

We can agree to disagree on this subject but i'm fairly certain i am right.
Look a little bit deeper. All of the offseason sunshine directed towards Brandon Jackson occurred while Ryan Grant was staging a holdout. Coincidence? I think not. As soon as Grant got signed and into camp, it was like a 180 towards Jackson. All of the sudden, the only statements emanating from Packers coaches were about Jackson's poor blitz pick-up and the work he needed on fundamentals. Jackson never was -- and never will be -- a threat to take Grant's starting job (barring serious injury, of course). While Grant is dealing with a hamstring injury, Jackson may get carries here and there, but I don't think he's a problem at all for a healthy Grant's value.

 
I've been claiming this even before Grant's injury. those high up in the organization were extremely happy with BJ's progress and were going to get him involved more.

Yes, if Grant was healthy he would be getting more then 12 carries a game, but he won't be getting the 20+ many expect. Now with Lumpy involved Grant will be lucky to get 60% of the carries even when healthy.

We can agree to disagree on this subject but i'm fairly certain i am right.
Look a little bit deeper. All of the offseason sunshine directed towards Brandon Jackson occurred while Ryan Grant was staging a holdout. Coincidence? I think not. As soon as Grant got signed and into camp, it was like a 180 towards Jackson. All of the sudden, the only statements emanating from Packers coaches were about Jackson's poor blitz pick-up and the work he needed on fundamentals. Jackson never was -- and never will be -- a threat to take Grant's starting job (barring serious injury, of course). While Grant is dealing with a hamstring injury, Jackson may get carries here and there, but I don't think he's a problem at all for a healthy Grant's value.
Do you feel the same with Lumpkin, is he a "non-threat" for a healthy Grant as well?
 
I am a Packer fan and watch a lot of their games. In all honesty we are really trying to guess what the Packers organization is thinking. I really believe that if Grant is healthy the Packers still want to get him 20+ touches per game. BJ just looks like a spot duty player to me. Lumpkin sure looks like he runs hard but he seems kinda similar to Grant to me without as much big play potential.

I still believe Grant is the workhorse while BJ and Lumpkin get spot duty.

FYI - I own Lumpkin in one dynasty league. I do not own any other Packer RBs in any league.

 
If Grant goes down i think we'll see a great rushing attack with a BJ/Lumpkin combo.

It's already a full fledged RBBC in GB with Grant and BJ, and it's possible it might turn into the dreaded 3 headed attack which will zap all of their FF potential.
You can keep claiming this...it will not make it come true.
sho - I hear what you're saying, the above statement is def overblown, but you can't deny that if Lumpkin keeps showing like he did against Detroit he will become a problem for Grant owners.
If Grant gets healthy...yes, I can deny that the #3 guy is not going to cause problems for Grant owners.Look, I like the kid, I was happy he was kept over Morency, Wynn, and Herron.

He runs hard...but one game with what...3 touches against Detroit and a good preseason is simply not that impressive to me enough to worry about him taking any of Grant's carries.

 
If Grant goes down i think we'll see a great rushing attack with a BJ/Lumpkin combo.

It's already a full fledged RBBC in GB with Grant and BJ, and it's possible it might turn into the dreaded 3 headed attack which will zap all of their FF potential.
You can keep claiming this...it will not make it come true.
I've been claiming this even before Grant's injury. those high up in the organization were extremely happy with BJ's progress and were going to get him involved more.Yes, if Grant was healthy he would be getting more then 12 carries a game, but he won't be getting the 20+ many expect. Now with Lumpy involved Grant will be lucky to get 60% of the carries even when healthy.

We can agree to disagree on this subject but i'm fairly certain i am right.
Yes...the higher ups gave Jackson praise in training camp...while Grant was not there. Most saw that for what it was...training camp fluff pieces talking a guy up.Who expects 20+ carries?

Lucky to get 60% of the carries because the guy had one good run and two good receptions against Detroit?

Are you really serious?

Im fairly certain you have no clue about much of anything with this line of thinking actually.

 
I've been claiming this even before Grant's injury. those high up in the organization were extremely happy with BJ's progress and were going to get him involved more.

Yes, if Grant was healthy he would be getting more then 12 carries a game, but he won't be getting the 20+ many expect. Now with Lumpy involved Grant will be lucky to get 60% of the carries even when healthy.

We can agree to disagree on this subject but i'm fairly certain i am right.
Look a little bit deeper. All of the offseason sunshine directed towards Brandon Jackson occurred while Ryan Grant was staging a holdout. Coincidence? I think not. As soon as Grant got signed and into camp, it was like a 180 towards Jackson. All of the sudden, the only statements emanating from Packers coaches were about Jackson's poor blitz pick-up and the work he needed on fundamentals. Jackson never was -- and never will be -- a threat to take Grant's starting job (barring serious injury, of course). While Grant is dealing with a hamstring injury, Jackson may get carries here and there, but I don't think he's a problem at all for a healthy Grant's value.
Not really a hold out. He did not have a contract...
 
If Grant goes down i think we'll see a great rushing attack with a BJ/Lumpkin combo.

It's already a full fledged RBBC in GB with Grant and BJ, and it's possible it might turn into the dreaded 3 headed attack which will zap all of their FF potential.
You can keep claiming this...it will not make it come true.
sho - I hear what you're saying, the above statement is def overblown, but you can't deny that if Lumpkin keeps showing like he did against Detroit he will become a problem for Grant owners.
If Grant gets healthy...yes, I can deny that the #3 guy is not going to cause problems for Grant owners.Look, I like the kid, I was happy he was kept over Morency, Wynn, and Herron.

He runs hard...but one game with what...3 touches against Detroit and a good preseason is simply not that impressive to me enough to worry about him taking any of Grant's carries.
I dont think Grant was that good before he became GRANT. Id say Lumpkin is just as likely to become LUMPKIN as Grant was to become GRANT when he did. And if you put into consideration their respective draft positions or lack their of in comparison to one another in terms of performance I think Jackson has allready become BUST or maybe "jackson".

 
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The Audible has been all over Lumpkin and I have seen some other respected guys on other sites put Lumpkin in their crosshairs as well. I would like to hear Lammey, Bloom and forum members et al....explain in more detail what kind of impact Lumpkin could have this year. Is he a deep sleeper that could get a shot with some injuries in front of him or does he have the talent and eye of coaches to carve himself out a role regardless of the staus of BJax and Grant? Also how do you see this progressing over the course of season...do we get to a point that if Lumpkin keeps impressing in his chances that he becomes the at the very least the primary backup over BJax and possibly part of a committee with RG? How about a snapshot of the GB RB situationin a week...at midseason and by the time FF playoffs roll around.

 
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Here are Grant's contract details:

8/5/2008: Signed a four-year, $20 million contract. The deal included an initial roster bonus of $3.5 million. Another $10 million is available through incentives. Grant can get annual $250,000 workout bonuses starting in 2009. If he rushes for 1,000 yards, he gets $500,000 added to his base pay the subsequent year. If he rushes for 1,250 yards, he earns an additional $1.5 million. If he rushes for 1,500+ yards, he earns $2.5 million more. 2008: $750,000 (+ $500,000 roster bonus), 2009: $750,000 (+ $2.75 million roster bonus due in March + $500,000 roster bonus), 2010: $3 million (+ $1.25 million roster bonus due in March + $500,000 roster bonus), 2011: $3.5 million (+ $1.75 million roster bonus due in March + $500,000 roster bonus), 2012: Free Agent. Cap charge: $4.75 million (2008).

It equates to a two year deal before the big escalators kick in and is highly incentive laden. The Pack has tons of room under the cap and could easily keep Grant through the entire deal.

If Grant is healthy, he is the main guy. I see no chance of a committee if Grant is healthy. Not sure if Grant will get much 3rd down work going forward as Jackson has been taking it through the first two games.

 
Kregg "The Pumpkin" Lumpkin is an American football running back for the Green Bay Packers of the National Football League. He played college football at Georgia from 2003 to 2007. Slowed down by injuries during his sophomore and senior seasons along with sharing carries with Thomas Brown and Danny Ware, Lumpkin rushed for 1,699 yards on 352 carries with 17 total touchdowns (14 rushing, 3 receiving). He was signed by the Green Bay Packers as an undrafted free agent in 2008. He made the regular season roster after an impressive training camp, beating out two more senior players for the team's third running back spot

 
First of I think a lot of credit has to be given to Ted Thompson for keeping him on the roster when the steady veterans Herron and Morency could have been kept. These two players have peaked and are dependable but Ted saw upside in Lumpkin.

If Grant would go down at this point I think Jackson gets the shot since he has a little more experience than Lumpkin. With a couple of more weeks that could change as Lumpkin gets more experience.

I dont understand why so many keep harping on Jackson he is not a bad back, but I think a lot of people think he should have walked on the field and gained a 1,000 yards as a rookie. Lumpkin right now is the new shiney toy in the toy chest so fans will give him a lot of play time.

 

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