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Kyler Murray Picks Football - Most Likely Outcome? (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
Is the "average" QB the average starting QB or average QB getting a paycheck? Either way I think you're off on Goff, but if average is average starter, Murray is easily below average Imo. If we're including backups, I think Murray can be a good backup. But I don't think he starts very long in the NFL.
Which probably means he goes back to baseball.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I think Miami is going to peel the band aid and go for the number one pick next year.
Obviously that could change if they fall in love with one of the quarterbacks in this class, but if you're going to invest in a qb, you really need to decide on a guy (or a couple guys) you really like and if you can't get them, you should just get draft capital for the next class.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
QBs before the NFL draft and some after the draft.ZenoRazon said:
Kyler Murray was waiting on information that he would be a 1st round draft pick and was trying to avoid questions which made an uncomfortable interview. If you think an uncofortable interview makes a prospect unworthy then you would definitely have passed on any QB who DID something worse so you would have passed on every one of these guys and probably a ton more because this was a quick and dirty search off the top of my head of QB exploits far worse than an uncomfortable pre-draft unprepared interview.
1. Dak Prescott Jumped, Attacker Snitches Himself Out
2. Baker Mayfield Arrest Police Video FULL UNCUT
3. Brett Favre Sends Penis Pics to Hot JETS Girl
4. Ben Roethlisberger's Sexual Assault Exploits
5. PEYTON MANNING SEXUAL ASSULT ALLEGATIONS EXPOSED!
6. 0:19 / 11:19 Jameis Winston Sexual Assault Cover-Up?!
Today, I would put Goff teetering on the pivot point between above average and below average. He's got talent, but he's in a tremendously favorable system. How much is Goff and how much is McVay? We've seen Goff look atrocious, and we've seen him look like a world beater. I still don't truly know which side he lands on.
This is pretty much where I am on Goff. It's the classic "is he a 'system' guy"? question.
Here's something I don't know.
What are the options for "going back"? Because I think that matters for his NFL time. If this were a thing where the A's or MLB were saying, "anytime you're ready, c'mon back", that would be different than if he had significant obstacles going to baseball.
I'm not sure how the rights work there. Been a long time since Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders were playing both...
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Footballguy
I'll always remember Drew Henson. Failed at baseball, then tried football. Didn't work so well.
I'd assume he'd have to make the move within a few years to have a chance.
I don't care about all that the kid came off really bad, maybe stupid isn't the best word.
matuski
Footballguy
Not just unprepared for the interview... unprepared to hold a conversation. Looking for his dad to help him get through a very basic and entirely predictable conversation.
It is one data point in the equation. I am just adding a lack of presence to the other data points - good arm, athletic, small, etc.
Not sure what that has to do with police videos and sexual assault cases against other QBs.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
the biggest criticism was his height, which seems to not be an issue.
Would anyone change their vote?
Would anyone change their vote?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm not saying his height is an issue, but those that were/are concerned with height are probably not that ok with 5'10". Of course some thought he could be 5'8" so as far as that is concerned it's a win but he's still undersized.Dr. Dan said:
I think it's more likely he's a "boom" and not a "bust" but would still have some apprehensions if my NFL team drafted him, but would have some excitement also.
For fantasy rookie drafts, he'd be my #1 QB as that's all about upside for me.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
In my rookie drafts other than when Luck and RGIII (I saw each go top 5 in multiple drafts) came out the first QB usually comes off the board in the mid-second (with a few exceptions here and there). If Murray goes to Arizona in an offense deigned around his skill set I may be willing to use a late first if it was a luxury pick for my team. I do think he could be a fantasy force there and most late first are 50/50 at best anyway. If he was still there in the mid-second I think its a no brainer.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Thanks. Contemplating with pick 14. trying to trade up to pick 12. Pick 13 needs a qb
Catbird
Footballguy
Picking 16 in a 16 team dynasty. I'm the only one that really needs a QB. Potential height questions will keep me from moving up (as I do think trying to throw over huge, lightening fast guys is harder for shorter guys. I remember a video showing what it looked like from Flutie's height over or between a wall of rushers and can't imagine playing effectively from there all the time - although some can clearly do it). But, if he lasts (and isn't backing up Luck or something awful) its a rare time for me to spend a first on a QB.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I have a decent consolation of Haskins if Murray is gone. Originally I was shooting for Haskins before Murray was measured up.
I will need a qb if Rosen is on a bench next season. Otherwise my 2 backups will be backups.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
When I view the situation from a million miles away with no knowledge of Murray at all ... it feels like a kid that's being forced into football for $s but would rather play baseball. There's no enthusiasm that we've seen for playing in the NFL. Will be interested in his pro day before making judgment though.
CalBear
Footballguy
His long-term earning prospects are probably better in baseball. He already had a $5M guaranteed contract with the A's. If he goes #1 overall he'll do better than that, if he goes mid-first round he'll do about the same, and if he falls to the end (or out of the first round) he won't do as well. For him to do better in terms of money at football he'd have to either be picked in the top 2 or 3, or become a long-term starter somewhere, which is way less likely for him in the NFL than in baseball.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Huh? It's a given that he's a top 3 pick. Mayfield got a $21.8M signing bonus in a $32M contract. San Darnold got a $20M signing bonus $20M contract
How does a $4.6M reporting bonus from the As, a minor league salary, no chance for another payday until like 2025, and slumming it around in rookie league even come close?
CalBear
Footballguy
If he's a top-3 pick he'll get more, sure. I'm still a bit dubious. If the Cardinals don't take him (and they took Rosen in the first round just last year) I can't imagine San Francisco (Garoppolo), the Jets (Darnold) or the Raiders (Carr) going that way. He'd be controversial on the Bucs. The Giants, maybe. So if he goes 1.06 and gets Josh Allen money, that was $7.7M guaranteed over 4 years.
No matter where he goes he gets no chance for another payday until like 2025. so the difference between 1.01 and 1.06 would be pretty huge. And the likelihood of landing a long-term job, and actually getting that big paycheck in 2025, is a lot more likely as an outfielder than a quarterback.
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Footballguy
It's really not. Or there's a lot of teams playing coy here.
Arizona may very well take him but if they don't we may be looking at an Aaron Rodgers type fall.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
mid way through the season, it would be interesting to rerun this poll to see if opinions have changed (mine has)
