Larry Johnson fewer reps in KC's goal line package (1 Viewer)

[gbill2004]

Larry Johnson is now being replaced in the Chiefs' goal-line package.L.J. was in on just one of four plays inside the New England five-yard line in Week 1 and didn't play on Kansas City's lone scoring drive in Week 2. It isn't like the Chiefs are going to be in scoring position often this year, but goal-line carries were about the only thing L.J. had left going for him. Source: Kansas City Star

 

[Bojang0301]

Larry Johnson is now being replaced in the Chiefs' goal-line package.L.J. was in on just one of four plays inside the New England five-yard line in Week 1 and didn't play on Kansas City's lone scoring drive in Week 2. It isn't like the Chiefs are going to be in scoring position often this year, but goal-line carries were about the only thing L.J. had left going for him. Source: Kansas City Star

With who Tyler Thigpen?

 

[YoUnG GuNz]

Herm....

 

[Onions]

Herm....

 

[Tommy Collins]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Jamaal Charles was 1-4 @ Goal Line?

 

[Bojang0301]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Jamaal Charles was 1-4 @ Goal Line?

Fine I'll just while they put in the speed back to get killed. Brilliant. Herm: "We play win, erm, keep the game close and hope the other team doens't have an offense that is better than our defense." What a crock of #### of a head coach.

 

[David Yudkin]

I'm getting really sick and tired of these fantasy blurbs and comments when the interpretation and speculation conclude things different than what was stated.

If you read READ the article, that's not what it says. It says he was taken out for three plays in the Pats game in the last minute . . . when those plays were passing downs. And he was not in on one series the next week . . . again with the team in catch up mode (another passing situation).

Edwards even SAYS THAT in the article.

“He’s not being phased out,” Edwards said. “Our plans are always to get him the ball. But as the game played out, when it got late in the third quarter, we went into a different mode of having to try to throw the ball. We had the ball for only 5 minutes in the third quarter. We were in a mode of trying to catch up. When they took that big lead, we had a whole different personnel group in there. We got away from the run because we had to throw the ball.”

So I do not get a sense that Johnson is no longer going to play deep in the red zone or lose goal line carries. And certainly no one from the team said it, it is the opinion of the writer.

Totally misleading in my book.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I'm getting really sick and tired of these fantasy blurbs and comments when the interpretation and speculation conclude things different than what was stated.If you read READ the article, that's not what it says. It says he was taken out for three plays in the Pats game in the last minute . . . when those plays were passing downs. And he was not in on one series the next week . . . again with the team in catch up mode (another passing situation).Edwards even SAYS THAT in the article. “He’s not being phased out,” Edwards said. “Our plans are always to get him the ball. But as the game played out, when it got late in the third quarter, we went into a different mode of having to try to throw the ball. We had the ball for only 5 minutes in the third quarter. We were in a mode of trying to catch up. When they took that big lead, we had a whole different personnel group in there. We got away from the run because we had to throw the ball.”So I do not get a sense that Johnson is no longer going to play deep in the red zone or lose goal line carries. And certainly no one from the team said it, it is the opinion of the writer.Totally misleading in my book.

 

[jbz]

agreed. i dont see anything but speculation that LJ has been replaced as the goalline RB. they don't even try to offer a suggestion as to who would be the guy replacing him. nothing to see here. should edit the thread title, might cause a chain reaction.

 

[FFdork]

Looks like this Fanball news blurb is based on the same piece:

THE NEWSThe Kansas City Star reports that the Chiefs have been practicing their goal line package without running back Larry Johnson.Our ViewUh-oh. This is certainly bad news for fantasy owners as it could be the difference between 14 touchdowns and seven. We'll keep a close eye on the situation, but if you can still get a star in return for LJ, you may want to consider it.

I bet you could get LJ for a song from some owners right now. I'm not feeling great about him, but I wouldn't mind having him as a RB3

 

[Da Guru]

That would be a concern if the Chiefs could ever get close to the goal line.

 

[Banger]

Is it crazy to think that LJ is a buy super low? I wouldn't give up a lot for him at this point but if your deep at a position and an LJ owner is thin somewhere it might not be the worst move to try and snag him for pennies on the dollar. Its only 2 games into the season and he's still talented and he's not injured. Just a thought.

 

[H.K.]

Is it crazy to think that LJ is a buy super low? I wouldn't give up a lot for him at this point but if your deep at a position and an LJ owner is thin somewhere it might not be the worst move to try and snag him for pennies on the dollar. Its only 2 games into the season and he's still talented and he's not injured. Just a thought.

The only thing that gave LJ potential value for this season was the quantity of touches he normally would receive. However, Edwards is rotating all three RBs each week, and LJ is no longer part of the passing game. Last season he had 13 targets in the first two weeks, this year he has one. Edwards is taking a youth soccer approach with the Chiefs this season by making sure that everyone gets to play. It looks like pre-season the way he rotates people in and out of the game. Utterly ridiculous.

 

[Milwalkeysbeast]

Agree with the misleading:

Larry Johnson | RB | KC

Coach Herm Edwards responded to Johnson's comments about feeling left out of the offensive game plan, saying "we haven't lost any confidence in him at all," the Kansas City Star reports.

Spin: The Chiefs have been replacing Johnson with Kolby Smith or rookie Jamaal Charles in passing situations and near the goal line. Edwards, however, said it's just coincidence that it worked out that way. "He's still our starter and still the guy we're going to most often," Edwards said. "We'd like him to touch the ball 20, 25 times every game. But it doesn't always work out that way." Johnson, who had just 12 carries in Sunday's loss to Oakland, met with offensive coordinator Chan Gailey on Monday to discuss the situation. "He's not being phased out," Edwards said. "Our plans are always to get him the ball." It's too early for Johnson owners to completely panic because the Chiefs seldom had the ball in the second half on Sunday and needed to pass when they did have it. He may start to turn things around in Week 3 against an Atlanta defense that allowed 164 yards on the ground last week.

RotoWire | Tue, September 16

 

[Tanner9919]

I'm getting really sick and tired of these fantasy blurbs and comments when the interpretation and speculation conclude things different than what was stated.If you read READ the article, that's not what it says. It says he was taken out for three plays in the Pats game in the last minute . . . when those plays were passing downs. And he was not in on one series the next week . . . again with the team in catch up mode (another passing situation).Edwards even SAYS THAT in the article. “He’s not being phased out,” Edwards said. “Our plans are always to get him the ball. But as the game played out, when it got late in the third quarter, we went into a different mode of having to try to throw the ball. We had the ball for only 5 minutes in the third quarter. We were in a mode of trying to catch up. When they took that big lead, we had a whole different personnel group in there. We got away from the run because we had to throw the ball.”So I do not get a sense that Johnson is no longer going to play deep in the red zone or lose goal line carries. And certainly no one from the team said it, it is the opinion of the writer.Totally misleading in my book.

as a wary LJ owner, something tells me the guy is gonna go for about 130 and 2 tds this weekend against ATL..

 

[Banger]

Is it crazy to think that LJ is a buy super low? I wouldn't give up a lot for him at this point but if your deep at a position and an LJ owner is thin somewhere it might not be the worst move to try and snag him for pennies on the dollar. Its only 2 games into the season and he's still talented and he's not injured. Just a thought.

The only thing that gave LJ potential value for this season was the quantity of touches he normally would receive. However, Edwards is rotating all three RBs each week, and LJ is no longer part of the passing game. Last season he had 13 targets in the first two weeks, this year he has one. Edwards is taking a youth soccer approach with the Chiefs this season by making sure that everyone gets to play. It looks like pre-season the way he rotates people in and out of the game. Utterly ridiculous.

Agree totally (I like the youth soccer line) and I'm not totally confident that he will get as many touches as the past but they only had 16 RB rushes for the game and he got 12 of them (75%). Last year in game 1 he had 10 carries and game 2 he had 16 carries, so he had 26 carries for 98 yards...this year through two games he has 34 carries for 96 yards so essentially the same. Last year he then got 24, 25, 9, 31, 24 and 19 carries prior to getting hurt so it's possible that this was a one week anomoly and he'll get 20+ carries from here on out. The more disturbing thing in my mind is the lack of receiving totals. If they do plan on taking him out when they are down and in pass mode, chances are he won't be playing much beyond the 1st half since they'll be playing from behind in every game that they don't knock the other teams QB out.Again, I wouldn't pay a lot for him but it is only week 2 and it's not as if he's losing carries to someone behind him (at least at this point) so it could have been just an awful week...

 

[Mortimer Ichabod]

BUY LOW!! BUY LOW!! LJ is still only 28 years old and has 3-5 years left of elite play. Anyone who watched him in preseason can see the talent is still there. I am targeting him in all leagues for pennies on the dollar.

In one of my dynasty leagues, LJ was just traded straight up for Selvin Young..are you kidding me? this is still larry "freakin" johnson people. The chiefs O-Line will straighten itself out soon enough.

 

[Tubalcane]

I think Herm Edwards might not be a human. I think he might actually be some sort of parasitic virus disquised in human form. I just hope for RBs all over the NFL that the Chiefs keep him quarantined in Kansas City. I don't want him spreading to any other team.

 

[Todem]

LJ will have a breakout game this weekend.

 

[H.K.]

Is it crazy to think that LJ is a buy super low? I wouldn't give up a lot for him at this point but if your deep at a position and an LJ owner is thin somewhere it might not be the worst move to try and snag him for pennies on the dollar. Its only 2 games into the season and he's still talented and he's not injured. Just a thought.

The only thing that gave LJ potential value for this season was the quantity of touches he normally would receive. However, Edwards is rotating all three RBs each week, and LJ is no longer part of the passing game. Last season he had 13 targets in the first two weeks, this year he has one. Edwards is taking a youth soccer approach with the Chiefs this season by making sure that everyone gets to play. It looks like pre-season the way he rotates people in and out of the game. Utterly ridiculous.

Agree totally (I like the youth soccer line) and I'm not totally confident that he will get as many touches as the past but they only had 16 RB rushes for the game and he got 12 of them (75%). Last year in game 1 he had 10 carries and game 2 he had 16 carries, so he had 26 carries for 98 yards...this year through two games he has 34 carries for 96 yards so essentially the same. Last year he then got 24, 25, 9, 31, 24 and 19 carries prior to getting hurt so it's possible that this was a one week anomoly and he'll get 20+ carries from here on out. The more disturbing thing in my mind is the lack of receiving totals. If they do plan on taking him out when they are down and in pass mode, chances are he won't be playing much beyond the 1st half since they'll be playing from behind in every game that they don't knock the other teams QB out.

Again, I wouldn't pay a lot for him but it is only week 2 and it's not as if he's losing carries to someone behind him (at least at this point) so it could have been just an awful week...

In 2007, LJ average 6.8 FF PPG in PPR formats just from his receiving stats....this season his receiving stats in PPR have given him 1 PPG.Even if he gets 20-25 carries for 80 yards each week, he still won't be worth anything because the catches are what made him valuable.

He's pretty much worthless unless something drastic changes his situation.

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

I just dumped him last night for MICHAEL bUSH in a not allowed to be kept league. Let someone else eat his 2-4 pts a week!

He has reminded me of SA LAST TWO WEEKS. Dissapointing because he showed a lot of effort preseason and I though he'd make a come back! Maybe Edwards said that

to motivate him. I would rather roll my punches with Bush and let someoine else find out FOR NOW AT LEAST.

 

[veto87]

Looks like this Fanball news blurb is based on the same piece:

THE NEWSThe Kansas City Star reports that the Chiefs have been practicing their goal line package without running back Larry Johnson.Our ViewUh-oh. This is certainly bad news for fantasy owners as it could be the difference between 14 touchdowns and seven. We'll keep a close eye on the situation, but if you can still get a star in return for LJ, you may want to consider it.

I bet you could get LJ for a song from some owners right now. I'm not feeling great about him, but I wouldn't mind having him as a RB3

I traded Addai and Buckhalter for LJ, Charles and Derek Anderson with the hope that although all the main players are slumping , at least I have a chance for my players having a better impact for me down the road. LJ vs # 21 Den , #25 SD and #12Mia defences in running YPG for weeks 14-16 ( Though SD should rebound , Miami should fall) and DA vs #7 Ten , #22 Phi and #3 Cin in Passing YPG, Cin should fall , to me OK matchups for the playoffs.

 

[Tigerbot Hesh]

I finally cut ties with Larry Johnson in my dynasty league. If he's just going to take up valuable space on my keeper roster, I'd rather use that spot for a younger guy like Jonathan Stewart than LJ.

 

[Ned]

I'm getting really sick and tired of these fantasy blurbs and comments when the interpretation and speculation conclude things different than what was stated.If you read READ the article, that's not what it says. It says he was taken out for three plays in the Pats game in the last minute . . . when those plays were passing downs. And he was not in on one series the next week . . . again with the team in catch up mode (another passing situation).Edwards even SAYS THAT in the article. "He's not being phased out," Edwards said. "Our plans are always to get him the ball. But as the game played out, when it got late in the third quarter, we went into a different mode of having to try to throw the ball. We had the ball for only 5 minutes in the third quarter. We were in a mode of trying to catch up. When they took that big lead, we had a whole different personnel group in there. We got away from the run because we had to throw the ball."So I do not get a sense that Johnson is no longer going to play deep in the red zone or lose goal line carries. And certainly no one from the team said it, it is the opinion of the writer.Totally misleading in my book.

 

[GoBirds]

This is me hoping LJ does SOMETHING this week.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Does anyone have any sense on how Herm responds to players demanding more touches? Did Coles, Martin or Moss ever do so while Herm was coaching them with Jets, and in the following games did they get targeted more?

This is a trend I sometimes try and play. Big name player is ignored, complains he isn't getting enough work, then the next game they make a point of feeding him.

The fact they are starting a totally green QB against a weak run defense might mean this is a good week for LJ to get close to 30 touches anyway. The fact that he is whining about it might make it happen. Makes sense on paper right?

 

[FFdork]

I'm inclined to agree with Yudkin, but I did notice that this showed up in the FBGs 'Overvalued Players' article:

Also, we learned this week that Johnson will not get goal line carries.

 

[mphtrilogy]

I'm inclined to agree with Yudkin, but I did notice that this showed up in the FBGs 'Overvalued Players' article:

Also, we learned this week that Johnson will not get goal line carries.

Usually Herm leans heavy on the rb and LJ would seem to fit that bill.It seems like they want to get all the rookies reps, and tank the season for the #1 pick next year.If LJ is in there, he coudl screw up that plan.I moved him for the very flawed CHad J, I am very concerned.

 

[CrossEyed]

So is LJ even worth a roster spot in a redraft league? I've got guys like Sproles, Stewart, Pierre Thomas and Chris Perry sitting on my waiver wire. Are LJs days as a starting fantasy RB over?

 

[GoBirds]

If they are trying so hard to suck why not trade him.

 

[Statler & Waldorf]

If they are trying so hard to suck why not trade him.

Exactly. They could get a 3rd rounder or so from him and stink it up all they want without the headache that Johnson would bring in the locker room. It's only been two games and he's only really had one bad week. Things will get better. He's not a fantasy stud anymore, but he's gonna be a decent RB2 for the year.

 

[Mikey16x]

I'm inclined to agree with Yudkin, but I did notice that this showed up in the FBGs 'Overvalued Players' article:

Also, we learned this week that Johnson will not get goal line carries.

Usually Herm leans heavy on the rb and LJ would seem to fit that bill.It seems like they want to get all the rookies reps, and tank the season for the #1 pick next year.

If LJ is in there, he coudl screw up that plan.

I moved him for the very flawed CHad J, I am very concerned.

umm... not sure if you received the memo or not but Herm plays to win the game.

 

[David Yudkin]

If they are trying so hard to suck why not trade him.

Exactly. They could get a 3rd rounder or so from him and stink it up all they want without the headache that Johnson would bring in the locker room. It's only been two games and he's only really had one bad week. Things will get better. He's not a fantasy stud anymore, but he's gonna be a decent RB2 for the year.

They also need a taker on the last 5 years (which includes this year) of LJ's six year, $45 million contract (of which $19 million was guaranteed). So they would also need to take a $16 million cap hit too.

 

[Statler & Waldorf]

If they are trying so hard to suck why not trade him.

Exactly. They could get a 3rd rounder or so from him and stink it up all they want without the headache that Johnson would bring in the locker room. It's only been two games and he's only really had one bad week. Things will get better. He's not a fantasy stud anymore, but he's gonna be a decent RB2 for the year.

They also need a taker on the last 5 years (which includes this year) of LJ's six year, $45 million contract (of which $19 million was guaranteed). So they would also need to take a $16 million cap hit too.

Ha! Disregard my trade comment then. But I still think things will get better for LJ.

 

[compone]

I'm getting really sick and tired of these fantasy blurbs and comments when the interpretation and speculation conclude things different than what was stated.If you read READ the article, that's not what it says. It says he was taken out for three plays in the Pats game in the last minute . . . when those plays were passing downs. And he was not in on one series the next week . . . again with the team in catch up mode (another passing situation).Edwards even SAYS THAT in the article. “He’s not being phased out,” Edwards said. “Our plans are always to get him the ball. But as the game played out, when it got late in the third quarter, we went into a different mode of having to try to throw the ball. We had the ball for only 5 minutes in the third quarter. We were in a mode of trying to catch up. When they took that big lead, we had a whole different personnel group in there. We got away from the run because we had to throw the ball.”So I do not get a sense that Johnson is no longer going to play deep in the red zone or lose goal line carries. And certainly no one from the team said it, it is the opinion of the writer.Totally misleading in my book.

I agree with this posting about the goal line rushes, but apparently LJ is being phased out of the PASSING GAME!Not including last year because of injury, LJ posted 343 & 410 receiving yards. SO, does this mean LJ is no longer the 3rd down/passing situation back? 2 RBs have more receptions and receiving yards after 2 games.LJ was always the main ball carrier, 3rd down & goal line back.My point here is LJ has lost some value. However, I'm still going to try to trade for him.

 

[bbuster]

I want to believe that LJ is going to do well this week against Atlanta, but the QB play really concerns me. It was bad enough with Croyle/Huard, but who is going to respect Thigpen? I think the guy was 3/17 at some point last week. I see 8 in the box all day long. R. Bush is outscoring LJ in a nonPPR league...I think he has double the points so far. I'm very nervous...Herm is just straight up crazy.

 

[Scarpati]

The ideal outcome is that they trade him to one of the teams that desperately needs a RB. It would be an enormous instant upgrade for LJ. Just need Herm to get even more down on him.

 

[3C's]

BUY LOW!! BUY LOW!! LJ is still only 28 years old and has 3-5 years left of elite play. Anyone who watched him in preseason can see the talent is still there. I am targeting him in all leagues for pennies on the dollar. In one of my dynasty leagues, LJ was just traded straight up for Selvin Young..are you kidding me? this is still larry "freakin" johnson people. The chiefs O-Line will straighten itself out soon enough.

He'll be 29 soon and he had a buttload of work in the 2 years prior to getting hurt last year. He's still got something left, but unfortunately his success was built off that dominant Oline...which is no longer dominant.

 

[thehornet]

BUY LOW!! BUY LOW!! LJ is still only 28 years old and has 3-5 years left of elite play. Anyone who watched him in preseason can see the talent is still there. I am targeting him in all leagues for pennies on the dollar. In one of my dynasty leagues, LJ was just traded straight up for Selvin Young..are you kidding me? this is still larry "freakin" johnson people. The chiefs O-Line will straighten itself out soon enough.

He'll be 29 soon and he had a buttload of work in the 2 years prior to getting hurt last year. He's still got something left, but unfortunately his success was built off that dominant Oline...which is no longer dominant.

this isnt true. LJ would be a superstar with a marginal O Line. He might as well be running without one right now,

 

[ELI2TYREE]

LJ? sit him. with thigpen qb the defenses will just key on the run and make thigpen prove them wrong.

 

[3C's]

BUY LOW!! BUY LOW!! LJ is still only 28 years old and has 3-5 years left of elite play. Anyone who watched him in preseason can see the talent is still there. I am targeting him in all leagues for pennies on the dollar. In one of my dynasty leagues, LJ was just traded straight up for Selvin Young..are you kidding me? this is still larry "freakin" johnson people. The chiefs O-Line will straighten itself out soon enough.

He'll be 29 soon and he had a buttload of work in the 2 years prior to getting hurt last year. He's still got something left, but unfortunately his success was built off that dominant Oline...which is no longer dominant.

this isnt true. LJ would be a superstar with a marginal O Line. He might as well be running without one right now,

According to FBGs, the lines in KC, Chi, ATL and Det all grade out to a D. The rb's on the other 3 teams seem to be doing pretty well.

 

[el-gato-grande]

During his peak, LJ won me two championships in my main keeper league. So it pains me to say this now, but the best LJ owners can hope for is for him to have a big game in Atlanta so his trade value increases to the point where they can get something decent back in trade. When that happens...sell as high as you can.

 

[Mikey16x]

During his peak, LJ won me two championships in my main keeper league. So it pains me to say this now, but the best LJ owners can hope for is for him to have a big game in Atlanta so his trade value increases to the point where they can get something decent back in trade. When that happens...sell as high as you can.

I've been praying for him to do something so I can get rid of him... He's a game away from free agency for me. I offered him straight up for donald driver and to another owner for heinz ward... both get rejected.

 

[el-gato-grande]

During his peak, LJ won me two championships in my main keeper league. So it pains me to say this now, but the best LJ owners can hope for is for him to have a big game in Atlanta so his trade value increases to the point where they can get something decent back in trade. When that happens...sell as high as you can.

I've been praying for him to do something so I can get rid of him... He's a game away from free agency for me. I offered him straight up for donald driver and to another owner for heinz ward... both get rejected.

Yeah, you can't get a box of rocks for him right now. But, dropping him in Free Agency in anything other than redraft would be a mistake. And that is marginal. Hold on and be patient my friend.

 

[billygoat]

I'm hoping he has a good game so I can put him on the trading block.

 

[faulkfan]

Agree with the misleading:

Larry Johnson | RB | KC

Coach Herm Edwards responded to Johnson's comments about feeling left out of the offensive game plan, saying "we haven't lost any confidence in him at all," the Kansas City Star reports.

Spin: The Chiefs have been replacing Johnson with Kolby Smith or rookie Jamaal Charles in passing situations and near the goal line. Edwards, however, said it's just coincidence that it worked out that way. "He's still our starter and still the guy we're going to most often," Edwards said. "We'd like him to touch the ball 20, 25 times every game. But it doesn't always work out that way." Johnson, who had just 12 carries in Sunday's loss to Oakland, met with offensive coordinator Chan Gailey on Monday to discuss the situation. "He's not being phased out," Edwards said. "Our plans are always to get him the ball." It's too early for Johnson owners to completely panic because the Chiefs seldom had the ball in the second half on Sunday and needed to pass when they did have it. He may start to turn things around in Week 3 against an Atlanta defense that allowed 164 yards on the ground last week.

RotoWire | Tue, September 16

That is only because you are an idiot Herm. If you want him to touch the ball more then leave his a** in the game and feed him the ball. What a moron!!!

 

[3C's]

During his peak, LJ won me two championships in my main keeper league. So it pains me to say this now, but the best LJ owners can hope for is for him to have a big game in Atlanta so his trade value increases to the point where they can get something decent back in trade. When that happens...sell as high as you can.

I've been praying for him to do something so I can get rid of him... He's a game away from free agency for me. I offered him straight up for donald driver and to another owner for heinz ward... both get rejected.

Yeah, you can't get a box of rocks for him right now. But, dropping him in Free Agency in anything other than redraft would be a mistake. And that is marginal. Hold on and be patient my friend.

Traded him straight up for Jacobs.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I think LJ is still one of the top 10 RB's in the league. He will have a game this year where he gets 200 combined yds and 2-3 TDs. But who knows when that game will be and what will he do the rest of the games. The consistency will not be there. His team is pretty bad and what can you say about Herm

 

[cvnpoka]

this thread is incredible. ppl actually straight up dropping lj.

 

[Mikey16x]

i was only hoping for like 80 yards and a TD... now im not sure i want to pull the trigger on a trade