Lebron James will never win a championship... (1 Viewer)

[flapgreen]

Why does everyone hate the guy so much? He doesn't seem like a bad person. I realize he brought a lot on himself, but damn. There are plenty of athletes out there who have killed people, and they haven't gotten anywhere near this sort of a lashing. He's being made out to be the worst person in sports. Even I'm shocked at how bad he's being hammered. Crazy!

eta: I don't like him, but I don't like a lot of athletes. I don't hate the guy, though.

 

[matuski]

Why does everyone hate the guy so much? He doesn't seem like a bad person. I realize he brought a lot on himself, but damn. There are plenty of athletes out there who have killed people, and they haven't gotten anywhere near this sort of a lashing. He's being made out to be the worst person in sports. Even I'm shocked at how bad he's being hammered. Crazy!

Immature. Big Mouth. Can't walk the walk. Poor loser. Quitter.For starters.

 

[The Z Machine]

LOL at Jester James

 

[Your Mom]

Why does everyone hate the guy so much? He doesn't seem like a bad person. I realize he brought a lot on himself, but damn. There are plenty of athletes out there who have killed people, and they haven't gotten anywhere near this sort of a lashing. He's being made out to be the worst person in sports. Even I'm shocked at how bad he's being hammered. Crazy!

Immature. Big Mouth. Can't walk the walk. Poor loser. Quitter.For starters.

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Rick James]

Why does everyone hate the guy so much? He doesn't seem like a bad person. I realize he brought a lot on himself, but damn. There are plenty of athletes out there who have killed people, and they haven't gotten anywhere near this sort of a lashing. He's being made out to be the worst person in sports. Even I'm shocked at how bad he's being hammered. Crazy!

eta: I don't like him, but I don't like a lot of athletes. I don't hate the guy, though.

because he's obnoxious and comes off as a huge dooshoh, and you're going to have to back-up your "there are plenty of athletes out there who have killed people" line...because, lol

 

[flapgreen]

Why does everyone hate the guy so much? He doesn't seem like a bad person. I realize he brought a lot on himself, but damn. There are plenty of athletes out there who have killed people, and they haven't gotten anywhere near this sort of a lashing. He's being made out to be the worst person in sports. Even I'm shocked at how bad he's being hammered. Crazy!

eta: I don't like him, but I don't like a lot of athletes. I don't hate the guy, though.

because he's obnoxious and comes off as a huge dooshoh, and you're going to have to back-up your "there are plenty of athletes out there who have killed people" line...because, lol

I don't think your condescending tone warrants a response.

 

[Rick James]

Why does everyone hate the guy so much? He doesn't seem like a bad person. I realize he brought a lot on himself, but damn. There are plenty of athletes out there who have killed people, and they haven't gotten anywhere near this sort of a lashing. He's being made out to be the worst person in sports. Even I'm shocked at how bad he's being hammered. Crazy!

eta: I don't like him, but I don't like a lot of athletes. I don't hate the guy, though.

because he's obnoxious and comes off as a huge dooshoh, and you're going to have to back-up your "there are plenty of athletes out there who have killed people" line...because, lol

I don't think your condescending tone warrants a response.

oh man, I bet you had a great one too

 

[Jayrod]

Why does everyone hate the guy so much? He doesn't seem like a bad person. I realize he brought a lot on himself, but damn. There are plenty of athletes out there who have killed people, and they haven't gotten anywhere near this sort of a lashing. He's being made out to be the worst person in sports. Even I'm shocked at how bad he's being hammered. Crazy!

eta: I don't like him, but I don't like a lot of athletes. I don't hate the guy, though.

because he's obnoxious and comes off as a huge dooshoh, and you're going to have to back-up your "there are plenty of athletes out there who have killed people" line...because, lol

leanord little and.....That's all I got.

 

[got_nugs]

Why does everyone hate the guy so much? He doesn't seem like a bad person. I realize he brought a lot on himself, but damn. There are plenty of athletes out there who have killed people, and they haven't gotten anywhere near this sort of a lashing. He's being made out to be the worst person in sports. Even I'm shocked at how bad he's being hammered. Crazy!

eta: I don't like him, but I don't like a lot of athletes. I don't hate the guy, though.

because he's obnoxious and comes off as a huge dooshoh, and you're going to have to back-up your "there are plenty of athletes out there who have killed people" line...because, lol

leanord little and.....That's all I got.

Ray Lewis. Donte Stallworth. Reggie Miller killed the Knicks a few times...does that count?

 

[got_nugs]

Why does everyone hate the guy so much? He doesn't seem like a bad person. I realize he brought a lot on himself, but damn. There are plenty of athletes out there who have killed people, and they haven't gotten anywhere near this sort of a lashing. He's being made out to be the worst person in sports. Even I'm shocked at how bad he's being hammered. Crazy!

Immature. Big Mouth. Can't walk the walk. Poor loser. Quitter.For starters.

I think Immature is fair. The rest is spew. By chance, do you like to bowl?

 

[fsufan]

wasn't yesterday Lebron day in Dallas. everyone got off work 12 minutes early

 

[Leroy Hoard]

It's been mentioned before, but a year or two in college might have helped him develop overall.

 

[matuski]

Why does everyone hate the guy so much? He doesn't seem like a bad person. I realize he brought a lot on himself, but damn. There are plenty of athletes out there who have killed people, and they haven't gotten anywhere near this sort of a lashing. He's being made out to be the worst person in sports. Even I'm shocked at how bad he's being hammered. Crazy!

Immature. Big Mouth. Can't walk the walk. Poor loser. Quitter.For starters.

I think Immature is fair. The rest is spew. By chance, do you like to bowl?

The immaturity leads to the rest. Call it spew, but you know the rest is true.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

You would have never seen a Kobe team get beaten so badly that they give up the final 2 minutes of a game. Pathetic.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

 

[Jayrod]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

Yes there is. His mid-range game is very weak. Heard Jalen Rose say exactly that on the radio yesterday. And I'm not just taking his word for it. I've thought the same thing.

 

[got_nugs]

Statistics....or Jalen Rose.

Jumper seemed to be working fine when he was hitting them against Boston and Chicago. Seems to be not working when he's missing. Easiest thing to fix. Just make the shots, jumper fixed.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

Yes there is. His mid-range game is very weak. Heard Jalen Rose say exactly that on the radio yesterday. And I'm not just taking his word for it. I've thought the same thing.

League average for 10-15 feet is is 39.4% and 39.5% from 16-23. Looks like he is well above average from mid-range.If you want a comparison:Kobe: 51% - 38%Rose: 42% - 38%Durant: 46% - 40%Wade: 38% - 37%So you and Jalen could think that, but you'd be wrong.

 

[No. 16]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

Yes there is. His mid-range game is very weak. Heard Jalen Rose say exactly that on the radio yesterday. And I'm not just taking his word for it. I've thought the same thing.

Statistics say otherwise. He shot ~45% from 10-23 feet in the regular season. League average is 39.5%.Granted this is the first year his mid-range went up that high after toiling around 40% previously in his career so we'll have to see if that improvement is legit. However, based on his 2010-2011 REGULAR SEASON play his mid-range jumper is above league average.

 

[Jayrod]

Statistics....or Jalen Rose.

Jumper seemed to be working fine when he was hitting them against Boston and Chicago. Seems to be not working when he's missing. Easiest thing to fix. Just make the shots, jumper fixed.

If it was, then everyone would do it. A quality mid-range game takes a TON of work. The hardest part is the footwork, and LeBron's is poor. That is why he almost always fades away when he does shoot a jumper, which makes it a lower percentage shot, which is why he doesn't go to it very often. Like everything else he does, his athleticism carries him beyond what a normal player can do, but instead of working at it and making it an advantage, he is just at the status quo.

 

[No. 16]

Statistics....or Jalen Rose.

Jumper seemed to be working fine when he was hitting them against Boston and Chicago. Seems to be not working when he's missing. Easiest thing to fix. Just make the shots, jumper fixed.

If it was, then everyone would do it. A quality mid-range game takes a TON of work. The hardest part is the footwork, and LeBron's is poor. That is why he almost always fades away when he does shoot a jumper, which makes it a lower percentage shot, which is why he doesn't go to it very often. Like everything else he does, his athleticism carries him beyond what a normal player can do, but instead of working at it and making it an advantage, he is just at the status quo.

As is his jumper was above average for 2010-2011. He could certainly improve his mid range jumper to be Ray Allen level, but as it stands his mid-range jumper is a good shot to take if it is open.

 

[Jayrod]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

Yes there is. His mid-range game is very weak. Heard Jalen Rose say exactly that on the radio yesterday. And I'm not just taking his word for it. I've thought the same thing.

League average for 10-15 feet is is 39.4% and 39.5% from 16-23. Looks like he is well above average from mid-range.If you want a comparison:Kobe: 51% - 38%Rose: 42% - 38%Durant: 46% - 40%Wade: 38% - 37%So you and Jalen could think that, but you'd be wrong.

You can read all the stats you want, LeBron's pull up jump shot is poor, period.

 

[boubucarow]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

Yes there is. His mid-range game is very weak. Heard Jalen Rose say exactly that on the radio yesterday. And I'm not just taking his word for it. I've thought the same thing.

Could he improve his mid range shot? No doubt. Is it his biggest weakness to improve upon? Not a chance. His mid range percentages this past year are above league average, are better than Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Monta Ellis. They are comparable to Kevin Durant. This past year he showed a tremendous improvement in draining mid range shots despite having a lower percentage of his mid range shots assisted. He went from league average to very good mid range shooter.The area of his game that needs to be improved the most is his back to the basket game mainly because his teams needs it. A couple hook shots, a fadeaway, and a couple simple moves to the basket and he would be near unstoppable.

 

[B-Deep]

even the haters should not say he will never win

what if in 10 years he is a bench warmer on a team filled with super stars we have yet to even hear of?

EVER is a long ### time

 

[Jayrod]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

Yes there is. His mid-range game is very weak. Heard Jalen Rose say exactly that on the radio yesterday. And I'm not just taking his word for it. I've thought the same thing.

Could he improve his mid range shot? No doubt. Is it his biggest weakness to improve upon? Not a chance. His mid range percentages this past year are above league average, are better than Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Monta Ellis. They are comparable to Kevin Durant. This past year he showed a tremendous improvement in draining mid range shots despite having a lower percentage of his mid range shots assisted. He went from league average to very good mid range shooter.The area of his game that needs to be improved the most is his back to the basket game mainly because his teams needs it. A couple hook shots, a fadeaway, and a couple simple moves to the basket and he would be near unstoppable.

I agree his post game needs some work, but hook shots aren't the ticket. Heck, all he needs to do is get comfortable with keeping the ball high, turning around and jumping over the defender for a 4-5 ft shot off the glass. It doesn't require nearly as much practice as a hook and is a much higher percentage than a fadeaway.I still think his pull-up jumper would be unstoppable if he worked on it more. Kobe's was and he was never the athlete LeBron is.

 

[got_nugs]

Statistics....or Jalen Rose.

Jumper seemed to be working fine when he was hitting them against Boston and Chicago. Seems to be not working when he's missing. Easiest thing to fix. Just make the shots, jumper fixed.

If it was, then everyone would do it. A quality mid-range game takes a TON of work. The hardest part is the footwork, and LeBron's is poor. That is why he almost always fades away when he does shoot a jumper, which makes it a lower percentage shot, which is why he doesn't go to it very often. Like everything else he does, his athleticism carries him beyond what a normal player can do, but instead of working at it and making it an advantage, he is just at the status quo.

I was joking

 

[Jayrod]

Statistics....or Jalen Rose.

Jumper seemed to be working fine when he was hitting them against Boston and Chicago. Seems to be not working when he's missing. Easiest thing to fix. Just make the shots, jumper fixed.

If it was, then everyone would do it. A quality mid-range game takes a TON of work. The hardest part is the footwork, and LeBron's is poor. That is why he almost always fades away when he does shoot a jumper, which makes it a lower percentage shot, which is why he doesn't go to it very often. Like everything else he does, his athleticism carries him beyond what a normal player can do, but instead of working at it and making it an advantage, he is just at the status quo.

I was joking

Oh.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

Yes there is. His mid-range game is very weak. Heard Jalen Rose say exactly that on the radio yesterday. And I'm not just taking his word for it. I've thought the same thing.

League average for 10-15 feet is is 39.4% and 39.5% from 16-23. Looks like he is well above average from mid-range.If you want a comparison:Kobe: 51% - 38%Rose: 42% - 38%Durant: 46% - 40%Wade: 38% - 37%So you and Jalen could think that, but you'd be wrong.

You can read all the stats you want, LeBron's pull up jump shot is poor, period.

Why is it poor? Isn't the thing that makes a good jump shot whether it goes in or not?

 

[No. 16]

even the haters should not say he will never winwhat if in 10 years he is a bench warmer on a team filled with super stars we have yet to even hear of?EVER is a long ### time

If that happens I won't lose any sleep over it and I doubt anyone here would care.If he wins one as the lead dog then that's a different story. I would have never guess he would team up with Wade (as I was counting on Wade and Melo getting in his way), but we'll see. It is still tough to win a Championship when arguably THE BEST PLAYER consistently disappears when it matters.

 

[matuski]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

Yes there is. His mid-range game is very weak. Heard Jalen Rose say exactly that on the radio yesterday. And I'm not just taking his word for it. I've thought the same thing.

League average for 10-15 feet is is 39.4% and 39.5% from 16-23. Looks like he is well above average from mid-range.If you want a comparison:Kobe: 51% - 38%Rose: 42% - 38%Durant: 46% - 40%Wade: 38% - 37%So you and Jalen could think that, but you'd be wrong.

You can read all the stats you want, LeBron's pull up jump shot is poor, period.

Why is it poor? Isn't the thing that makes a good jump shot whether it goes in or not?

I think what is poor about his mid-range and low post game is a factor not shown in the stats. It is that he can't GET a good mid range/low post shot when he needs it. With all that athleticism, it is amazing he can't create a shot under pressure. His offensive game is one dimensional, making it much easier to shut him down in the clutch.I don't think it is about his ability to make a mid range shot when he gets them, instead the fact he can't get them for himself.

 

[B-Deep]

even the haters should not say he will never winwhat if in 10 years he is a bench warmer on a team filled with super stars we have yet to even hear of?EVER is a long ### time

If that happens I won't lose any sleep over it and I doubt anyone here would care.If he wins one as the lead dog then that's a different story. I would have never guess he would team up with Wade (as I was counting on Wade and Melo getting in his way), but we'll see. It is still tough to win a Championship when arguably THE BEST PLAYER consistently disappears when it matters.

so you admit he could win a championship

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

Yes there is. His mid-range game is very weak. Heard Jalen Rose say exactly that on the radio yesterday. And I'm not just taking his word for it. I've thought the same thing.

Statistics say otherwise. He shot ~45% from 10-23 feet in the regular season. League average is 39.5%.Granted this is the first year his mid-range went up that high after toiling around 40% previously in his career so we'll have to see if that improvement is legit. However, based on his 2010-2011 REGULAR SEASON play his mid-range jumper is above league average.

% is cute an all, but how is his shot volume from that range? He seemed every reluctant to shoot from that range vs Dallas.

 

[matuski]

even the haters should not say he will never win

what if in 10 years he is a bench warmer on a team filled with super stars we have yet to even hear of?

EVER is a long ### time

If that happens I won't lose any sleep over it and I doubt anyone here would care.If he wins one as the lead dog then that's a different story. I would have never guess he would team up with Wade (as I was counting on Wade and Melo getting in his way), but we'll see. It is still tough to win a Championship when arguably THE BEST PLAYER consistently disappears when it matters.

so you admit he could win a championship

I think most people relize it is likely he will win a championship.. maybe a couple. But I think most people are realizing it wont be his doing. He will be the side-kick.

 

[No. 16]

even the haters should not say he will never winwhat if in 10 years he is a bench warmer on a team filled with super stars we have yet to even hear of?EVER is a long ### time

If that happens I won't lose any sleep over it and I doubt anyone here would care.If he wins one as the lead dog then that's a different story. I would have never guess he would team up with Wade (as I was counting on Wade and Melo getting in his way), but we'll see. It is still tough to win a Championship when arguably THE BEST PLAYER consistently disappears when it matters.

so you admit he could win a championship

Could he? Yes.Will he? No.

 

[fightingillini]

Could he improve his mid range shot? No doubt. Is it his biggest weakness to improve upon? Not a chance. His mid range percentages this past year are above league average, are better than Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Monta Ellis. They are comparable to Kevin Durant. This past year he showed a tremendous improvement in draining mid range shots despite having a lower percentage of his mid range shots assisted. He went from league average to very good mid range shooter.The area of his game that needs to be improved the most is his back to the basket game mainly because his teams needs it. A couple hook shots, a fadeaway, and a couple simple moves to the basket and he would be near unstoppable.

Let's see here....he's 6-8, 250 and a freakish athlete. Who's going to stop him in the post if he actually had some moves inside? He would have abused Kidd or Marion down there. He would overpower any SF in the league, and he's too quick for a PF to guard him there. Lebron should get 10+ free throw attempts every game if he had any sort of post game.

 

[boubucarow]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

Yes there is. His mid-range game is very weak. Heard Jalen Rose say exactly that on the radio yesterday. And I'm not just taking his word for it. I've thought the same thing.

League average for 10-15 feet is is 39.4% and 39.5% from 16-23. Looks like he is well above average from mid-range.If you want a comparison:Kobe: 51% - 38%Rose: 42% - 38%Durant: 46% - 40%Wade: 38% - 37%So you and Jalen could think that, but you'd be wrong.

You can read all the stats you want, LeBron's pull up jump shot is poor, period.

Why is it poor? Isn't the thing that makes a good jump shot whether it goes in or not?

I think what is poor about his mid-range and low post game is a factor not shown in the stats. It is that he can't GET a good mid range/low post shot when he needs it. With all that athleticism, it is amazing he can't create a shot under pressure. His offensive game is one dimensional, making it much easier to shut him down in the clutch.I don't think it is about his ability to make a mid range shot when he gets them, instead the fact he can't get them for himself.

This is just untrue. James makes over 75% of his mid range jumpers unassisted. He creates his own mid range shot better than most. He didn't fail in the 4th of quarter of this series because he can't create his own shot. He failed because he didn't try to create his own shot.

 

[B-Deep]

even the haters should not say he will never win

what if in 10 years he is a bench warmer on a team filled with super stars we have yet to even hear of?

EVER is a long ### time

If that happens I won't lose any sleep over it and I doubt anyone here would care.If he wins one as the lead dog then that's a different story. I would have never guess he would team up with Wade (as I was counting on Wade and Melo getting in his way), but we'll see. It is still tough to win a Championship when arguably THE BEST PLAYER consistently disappears when it matters.

so you admit he could win a championship

Could he? Yes.Will he? No.

how can you know, as i previously indicated a lot of real stiffs have rings

 

[Cliff Clavin]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

Yes there is. His mid-range game is very weak. Heard Jalen Rose say exactly that on the radio yesterday. And I'm not just taking his word for it. I've thought the same thing.

League average for 10-15 feet is is 39.4% and 39.5% from 16-23. Looks like he is well above average from mid-range.If you want a comparison:Kobe: 51% - 38%Rose: 42% - 38%Durant: 46% - 40%Wade: 38% - 37%So you and Jalen could think that, but you'd be wrong.

You can read all the stats you want, LeBron's pull up jump shot is poor, period.

Why is it poor? Isn't the thing that makes a good jump shot whether it goes in or not?

I think what is poor about his mid-range and low post game is a factor not shown in the stats. It is that he can't GET a good mid range/low post shot when he needs it. With all that athleticism, it is amazing he can't create a shot under pressure. His offensive game is one dimensional, making it much easier to shut him down in the clutch.I don't think it is about his ability to make a mid range shot when he gets them, instead the fact he can't get them for himself.

Low post and mid-range are two completely separate things. We all know that he doesn't have a low post game. This nonsense about not having a mid-range game is wrong.

 

[B-Deep]

even the haters should not say he will never win

what if in 10 years he is a bench warmer on a team filled with super stars we have yet to even hear of?

EVER is a long ### time

If that happens I won't lose any sleep over it and I doubt anyone here would care.If he wins one as the lead dog then that's a different story. I would have never guess he would team up with Wade (as I was counting on Wade and Melo getting in his way), but we'll see. It is still tough to win a Championship when arguably THE BEST PLAYER consistently disappears when it matters.

so you admit he could win a championship

I think most people relize it is likely he will win a championship.. maybe a couple. But I think most people are realizing it wont be his doing. He will be the side-kick.

THAT is a much more reasonable positionsaying he will never win a championship at all is just plain silly

 

[Cliff Clavin]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

Yes there is. His mid-range game is very weak. Heard Jalen Rose say exactly that on the radio yesterday. And I'm not just taking his word for it. I've thought the same thing.

Statistics say otherwise. He shot ~45% from 10-23 feet in the regular season. League average is 39.5%.Granted this is the first year his mid-range went up that high after toiling around 40% previously in his career so we'll have to see if that improvement is legit. However, based on his 2010-2011 REGULAR SEASON play his mid-range jumper is above league average.

% is cute an all, but how is his shot volume from that range? He seemed every reluctant to shoot from that range vs Dallas.

Those statistics are based on this season. From 10-23 feet he took exactly 7 shots per game for 553 shots this year. Pretty good sample size.

 

[B-Deep]

Jack Haley

The 6’10” center made bigger contributions to the 1996 Bulls team off the court than on it, as he was basically on the team to control Dennis Rodman, the wild forward who went down as one of the best rebounders in the NBA. Haley and Rodman became friends when they played for San Antonio, and Haley was the only player in Chicago that Rodman would trust. Haley’s 3.2 points per game and 2.7 rebounding average over his career has to be some kind of record.

if jack haley can win a ring, anyone can

 

[B-Deep]

William Bedford

Bedford was the Suns’ No.1 pick in 1986, and he was supposed to be the next big thing. He was

traded to Detroit, and he managed to stay out of drug trouble long enough to rope himself a

championship ring with the 1990 Pistons squad. Bedford retired after six seasons with averages

of 4.1 points and 2.4 boards, and is currently in a Texas jail serving a 10-year sentence for drug

trafficking.

 

[boubucarow]

Jack HaleyThe 6’10” center made bigger contributions to the 1996 Bulls team off the court than on it, as he was basically on the team to control Dennis Rodman, the wild forward who went down as one of the best rebounders in the NBA. Haley and Rodman became friends when they played for San Antonio, and Haley was the only player in Chicago that Rodman would trust. Haley’s 3.2 points per game and 2.7 rebounding average over his career has to be some kind of record. if jack haley can win a ring, anyone can

Maybe LeBron needs a Jack Haley.

 

[B-Deep]

Jack HaleyThe 6’10” center made bigger contributions to the 1996 Bulls team off the court than on it, as he was basically on the team to control Dennis Rodman, the wild forward who went down as one of the best rebounders in the NBA. Haley and Rodman became friends when they played for San Antonio, and Haley was the only player in Chicago that Rodman would trust. Haley’s 3.2 points per game and 2.7 rebounding average over his career has to be some kind of record. if jack haley can win a ring, anyone can

Maybe LeBron needs a Jack Haley.

lol could be!

 

[Jayrod]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

Yes there is. His mid-range game is very weak. Heard Jalen Rose say exactly that on the radio yesterday. And I'm not just taking his word for it. I've thought the same thing.

League average for 10-15 feet is is 39.4% and 39.5% from 16-23. Looks like he is well above average from mid-range.If you want a comparison:Kobe: 51% - 38%Rose: 42% - 38%Durant: 46% - 40%Wade: 38% - 37%So you and Jalen could think that, but you'd be wrong.

You can read all the stats you want, LeBron's pull up jump shot is poor, period.

Why is it poor? Isn't the thing that makes a good jump shot whether it goes in or not?

Just selecting a range of distance doesn't show what kind of shot it was. Note I said, "pull up" and "mid-range game". Sure he can catch and shoot at that distance, but that is different than being able to take one or two dribbles with a man on you and then stop, jump and shoot a quality shot over the defender. That is what I'm talking about and if he had that, he would be unstoppable ala MJ & Kobe. Because when push comes to shove and you need a basket, being able to hit a jump shot the second your defender is a little off balance and can't jump with you is the easiest, most consistent play in basketball. If do right, no can defense. Come to think of it, I did it this morning for game point in a pickup game against a younger, taller, more athletic player. I got the ball on the wing, drove two dribbles hard to my right and once the defender had to commit to cutting me off, I pulled up and hit an open jump shot. Lebron just doesn't do it enough, but I'm guessing I've practiced mine more than he has (mostly because I'm older and it was the only way I could score in college).

 

[Leroy Hoard]

William BedfordBedford was the Suns’ No.1 pick in 1986, and he was supposed to be the next big thing. He wastraded to Detroit, and he managed to stay out of drug trouble long enough to rope himself achampionship ring with the 1990 Pistons squad. Bedford retired after six seasons with averagesof 4.1 points and 2.4 boards, and is currently in a Texas jail serving a 10-year sentence for drugtrafficking.

Congrats. You have proven that a convicted drug felon wins a ring before LeBron.

 

[Jayrod]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

Yes there is. His mid-range game is very weak. Heard Jalen Rose say exactly that on the radio yesterday. And I'm not just taking his word for it. I've thought the same thing.

League average for 10-15 feet is is 39.4% and 39.5% from 16-23. Looks like he is well above average from mid-range.If you want a comparison:Kobe: 51% - 38%Rose: 42% - 38%Durant: 46% - 40%Wade: 38% - 37%So you and Jalen could think that, but you'd be wrong.

You can read all the stats you want, LeBron's pull up jump shot is poor, period.

Why is it poor? Isn't the thing that makes a good jump shot whether it goes in or not?

I think what is poor about his mid-range and low post game is a factor not shown in the stats. It is that he can't GET a good mid range/low post shot when he needs it. With all that athleticism, it is amazing he can't create a shot under pressure. His offensive game is one dimensional, making it much easier to shut him down in the clutch.I don't think it is about his ability to make a mid range shot when he gets them, instead the fact he can't get them for himself.

This is just untrue. James makes over 75% of his mid range jumpers unassisted. He creates his own mid range shot better than most. He didn't fail in the 4th of quarter of this series because he can't create his own shot. He failed because he didn't try to create his own shot.

Maybe that is the problem I'm missing. I didn't get to watch much of the NBA regular season and only caught 2 Heat games before the finals. I just thought the Finals was same old Lebron, so I could be wrong.

 

[B-Deep]

William BedfordBedford was the Suns’ No.1 pick in 1986, and he was supposed to be the next big thing. He wastraded to Detroit, and he managed to stay out of drug trouble long enough to rope himself achampionship ring with the 1990 Pistons squad. Bedford retired after six seasons with averagesof 4.1 points and 2.4 boards, and is currently in a Texas jail serving a 10-year sentence for drugtrafficking.

Congrats. You have proven that a convicted drug felon wins a ring before LeBron.

also won won before derrick rosebefore kobe, for that matterthe point is saying he will NEVER win is silly. He could win one simply by being on a great team and he sits the bench. saying he will never lead a team to a championship is a better argument. There's a parade of ####ty players that have backed into titles, none that lead a team to one

 

[got_nugs]

just seems like LeBrons biggest issue is that his jumper isnt that reliable. Jordan, Kobe,Bird Even Dirk. I just knew those guys shots were going in at the end of the game. LeBron is a great athlete that plays baksetball and he needs to work on his jumper, badly.

LeBron shot 44.7% from 10-15 feet. 45% from 16-23 feet and 33% from 3. There is nothing wrong with his jumper.

Yes there is. His mid-range game is very weak. Heard Jalen Rose say exactly that on the radio yesterday. And I'm not just taking his word for it. I've thought the same thing.

League average for 10-15 feet is is 39.4% and 39.5% from 16-23. Looks like he is well above average from mid-range.If you want a comparison:Kobe: 51% - 38%Rose: 42% - 38%Durant: 46% - 40%Wade: 38% - 37%So you and Jalen could think that, but you'd be wrong.

You can read all the stats you want, LeBron's pull up jump shot is poor, period.

Why is it poor? Isn't the thing that makes a good jump shot whether it goes in or not?

Just selecting a range of distance doesn't show what kind of shot it was. Note I said, "pull up" and "mid-range game". Sure he can catch and shoot at that distance, but that is different than being able to take one or two dribbles with a man on you and then stop, jump and shoot a quality shot over the defender. That is what I'm talking about and if he had that, he would be unstoppable ala MJ & Kobe. Because when push comes to shove and you need a basket, being able to hit a jump shot the second your defender is a little off balance and can't jump with you is the easiest, most consistent play in basketball. If do right, no can defense. Come to think of it, I did it this morning for game point in a pickup game against a younger, taller, more athletic player. I got the ball on the wing, drove two dribbles hard to my right and once the defender had to commit to cutting me off, I pulled up and hit an open jump shot. Lebron just doesn't do it enough, but I'm guessing I've practiced mine more than he has (mostly because I'm older and it was the only way I could score in college).

Are you 6'8" and freakishly gifted athletically? If NOT, i'd say a low post game is more important for James. I watched 80 of the 82 regular season games and all of the playoff games. Low post is what the Heat need from him. He couldn't back down JKidd. Based on your scoring prowess mentioned above...I bet you could get to Kidd. That'd be my point.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

the point is saying he will NEVER win is silly. He could win one simply by being on a great team and he sits the bench.

True, even more so if he sits on the bench in all the 4th quarters.