Lebron James will never win a championship... (2 Viewers)

[Illmatic]

LeBron sucks

Guy is terrible

 

[top dog]

LeBron sucks

Guy is terrible

Yep. who knew they would blow that #1 overall pick there?

 

[TLEF316]

Awful 2nd half, but he'll learn from it.

 

[Illmatic]

LeBron sucks

Guy is terrible

Yep. who knew they would blow that #1 overall pick there?

Guy hasn't won three straight championships yet. What a wasted pick.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Darko Milicic will probably win a title before LeBron

 

[Illmatic]

Darko Milicic will probably win a title before LeBron

Carmelo has certainly proven to be a much better all-around player that puts his entire team on his back and leads them to wins.

 

[mr. furley]

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[Illmatic]

4 Members: mr. furley, Armando_Alejandro_Estrrrrrrrrada, fatguyinalittlecoat, Mr Dingles

DINGLES!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[No. 16]

Till next season!

And for Scottie? Scottie's just mad that MJ gets all the credit.. he's an MJ hater,

 

[Kosar]

Till next season!

And for Scottie? Scottie's just mad that MJ gets all the credit.. he's an MJ hater,

Yeah, he's a hater.

 

[amnesiac]

Till next season!

wtf would i watch again next year? he's proven you right. i won't waste another minute on the bum.

 

[wadegarrett]

Thought this was a good read...

Gone But Not Forgotten

There was no Motown Meltdown, but by taking Detroit to the brink, the Cavaliers exposed flaws in the Pistons, who bore witness that the Second Coming (LeBron)has arrived

Chris Ballard, Sports Illustrated

There is something undeniably appealing in the way certain athletes summon nonchalance when the clock is short and the pressure high. Yet there is a tissue-thin difference between cool and complacent, between confidence and hubris. We saw it three years ago with the Lakers of Shaq and Kobe, who remained certain they could not be beaten by the Spurs in the Western Conference finals up to the very moment they were. The same fate almost befell this year's Pistons, whose lofty self-regard nearly led to their demise. Their 4-3 series win over Cleveland in the Eastern semis required fortuitous bounces, some late adjustments from suddenly beleaguered coach Flip Saunders (who seemed to remember in the nick of time that he was permitted to make adjustments) and a climactic half of lockdown D epitomized by Cleveland's Larry Hughes calling a timeout with 10 seconds on the shot clock, simply because he had no one to pass the ball to.

Now the Pistons face the Heat, having lost their air of invincibility in the wake of another remarkable playoff performance from LeBron James, who once again took a crowbar to the traditional learning curve and bent it into a 45-degree vector. Pistons players were thankful that number 23's teammates disappeared in Game 7, shooting 9 for 41. As one scout following the playoffs says, "I keep telling people, 'Enjoy beating LeBron now, while you still can.'"

Given their rediscovered sense of urgency, the Pistons enter the East finals as the favorite, but the Cavs did expose their soft spots. Ben Wallace didn't just miss free throws; he went 0 for 7 in Game 5. The short bench -- essentially forward Antonio McDyess and guard Lindsey Hunter -- wasn't merely a shortcoming; it became a liability when Rasheed Wallace hurt his ankle in Game 4. These were the Pistons with their guard down. It was like walking in on Oprah before she's done her makeup, an icon unfamiliar and unprepared.

Pat Riley and the Heat were watching -- the Pistons, that is, not Oprah -- and taking notes, for there were valuable lessons in this series that Miami can apply in the coming fortnight.

• Take away the arc. The Pistons rely on the long ball. Close to half (42%) of Chauncey Billups's shots this season were threes, and Rasheed Wallace took nearly 200 more trifectas than a year ago. Noting this, the Cavs, with the exception of center Zydrunas Ilgauskas, switched all picks on the perimeter to deny step-back threes. "Most teams don't switch on that because they're worried about a 'small' guarding Rasheed," explained Cavs assistant Michael Malone. "But when they hit threes is when they really get off." Normally a team can exploit these switches in two ways: They can flatten out and the guard can drive on a forward or center, or they can "roll" their screen-setting big man into the post for a mismatch. But when the Pistons tried to do the latter against the Cavs, Mike Brown had his weakside big release and switch onto Rasheed immediately, with frequent success.

• They rely disproportionately on Rasheed. The Pistons are 12-0 in the playoffs when the more ornery of the Wallaces scores 20 or more. Saunders calls Wallace "the MVP of the team," while Billups says, "he's definitely our most talented player." Not only does the team feed off 'Sheed emotionally -- as strange as that may sound, considering his volatility -- but he also keys their game on both ends with his ability to score from the perimeter and his help-side defense.

• They're vulnerable if spaced. When James was double-teamed, Cleveland's guards were able to get to the basket. The Cavs instructed James to keep his dribble and retreat when he got doubled -- using him as "bait" their coaches said -- to pull Detroit defenders farther from the basket. James would then make a quick pass to the off-guard, who immediately drove to the lane. "The easy shot is to settle for a long jump shot," said Malone. "But what you need to do is attack those closeouts and get to the rim." Miami's wingmen are better shooters than what the Cavs have, so Riley has a tough choice: drive the lane or launch threes. (One guess on how Antoine Walker will "solve" this dilemma.)

But let's not forget that the Heat has problems of its own. Perimeter defense is perhaps their greatest weakness, making them especially susceptible to Rasheed. Jason Williams isn't strong enough to guard Billups off the pick- and-roll or in the post, so Riley will have to play Gary Payton most -- if not all -- of the fourth quarter. Walker is also a defensive liability, so expect to see a lot of James Posey on Tayshaun Prince, Detroit's most consistent offensive threat in the Cavs series. And if Detroit packs it in against Dwyane Wade, as they did occasionally against James, he will be forced to rely on his at-times-suspect outside stroke.

If the Eastern semis dispelled some of the popular myths about the Pistons, they only enhanced the lore of LeBron. He made even casual observers of the sport watch in the same way they once watched Bo Jackson and Tiger Woods, with the expectation that they might see something they had never seen before. He made you afraid not to watch. That omnipresent Nike campaign was manipulative, but it was brilliant. So what exactly did we witness? In 13 playoff games James averaged 30.8 points, 8.1 rebounds and 5.8 assists. He had two triple doubles, sank two game-winners and adapted his game admirably. Washington played him straight up, so he attacked the basket. Detroit doubled, so he consistently found the open man. "I think this is the smartest basketball he's played," Cavs' forward Doneyell Marshall said of James before Game 7. "He's not pressing the issue. We're always saying to him, 'It's your time.' But it seems that the more we say that, the more he passes the ball. So now we just let him do his thing and let him take over when he's ready to take over."

Hubie Brown, the Hall of Fame coach-slash-announcer, was also impressed. "This guy has eyes as good as anyone who's ever been a passer up front," Brown says. "I always thought Rick Barry and Larry Bird were the two best up front out of the double team. This kid is better. You put his name in a sentence with only two guys, Oscar Robertson and Michael Jordan."

If there was a defining image of James against Detroit, it came in the third quarter of Game 6. After the Pistons switched on a pick-and-roll, James was isolated at the top of the key against Rasheed Wallace. Wallace lowered himself into a defensive crouch while frantically tapping the back of his ears, signaling his teammates to tell him where he had help. It was a futile request because no one could have helped him at that moment. James bent forward and slashed to his right, past Wallace and in front of Billups, who was sliding over. Splitting the duo, he stepped into the lane and rose up and over Ben Wallace and Prince. Freeze it right there and you have it: James, airborne, flying into the maw of the Detroit defense, with four Pistons beneath him.

James could not do it alone, though, no matter how many precise passes he made, no matter how many spectacular dunks he threw down. A city ready to stream out into the streets, ready to hug strangers, will have to wait another year. But James brought hope, both to Cleveland and to the NBA, which is always seeking to regain the glory of the late '80s and early '90s. Undoubtedly, more people watched the Pistons series because of James (ABC's overnight rating for Game 7 was a 29% jump over last year), and surely some of those fans gained an appreciation for Detroit's selfless style of play and will follow them against Miami. Others -- little boys cross-legged in front of the TV, jaded men who'd given up on the pro game -- were instantly baptized as Cavs fans because of one pass, one dunk, on one Friday night. And so it grows.

As he headed out to his courtside seat on Sunday, NBA commissioner David Stern was asked about James's impact on the league. Ever the diplomat, Stern rifled through a multitude of reasons why the league is great and warned against looking for the next Jordan. Stern said it all with a straight face, and one was almost tempted to believe him, to think that what we'd seen from James in these playoffs wasn't momentous. Until, that is, he added one last thought. "That's my story, at least," he said with a wry grin, "and I'm sticking to it."

 

[culdeus]

Can't some of this be written off now to the fact that Det wasn't nearly as good as we thought? Especially their defense.

 

[wadegarrett]

Can't some of this be written off now to the fact that Det wasn't nearly as good as we thought? Especially their defense.

Some of what? Hype?

 

[culdeus]

Can't some of this be written off now to the fact that Det wasn't nearly as good as we thought? Especially their defense.

Some of what? Hype?

Just his stat sheet for that series. And the thought that he took the "leap". If he stretched the eventual NBA champ to 7 then you might have something, but that's not happening.

 

[wadegarrett]

Can't some of this be written off now to the fact that Det wasn't nearly as good as we thought?  Especially their defense.

Some of what? Hype?

Just his stat sheet for that series. And the thought that he took the "leap". If he stretched the eventual NBA champ to 7 then you might have something, but that's not happening.

His stat sheet was against the team with the best league record and best defense in the Eastern Conference. I think it's credible enough.

 

[flapgreen]

I can't believe this thread is still going.

 

[No. 16]

Put this down in history.

LBJ will never win an NBA championship. He doesnt have the killer instinct or clutch play to become the best. He'll never be Magic and no way will he ever be Jordan.

I still think he'll become one of the best players in the NBA, but he'll be just like Peyton Manning. All stats and no rings.

If it takes a supposed franchise savior 3 NBA season before he hits a game winner... there's a problem. What's even worse is he has been considered "the man" practially since he put on a Cavs jersey.

Wade and Melo on the other hand will win their fair share of championships.

NBA Titles:Wade - 1

LBJ - 0

I know these things.

 

[Illmatic]

Put this down in history.

LBJ will never win an NBA championship. He doesnt have the killer instinct or clutch play to become the best. He'll never be Magic and no way will he ever be Jordan.

I still think he'll become one of the best players in the NBA, but he'll be just like Peyton Manning. All stats and no rings.

If it takes a supposed franchise savior 3 NBA season before he hits a game winner... there's a problem. What's even worse is he has been considered "the man" practially since he put on a Cavs jersey.

Wade and Melo on the other hand will win their fair share of championships.

NBA Titles:Wade - 1

LBJ - 0

I know these things.

Why would you bump this thread?

 

[No. 16]

Cause LBJ has yet to win an NBA title.... Wade on the other hand already has 1 NBA title and Finals MVP.

 

[adonis]

Cause LBJ has yet to win an NBA title.... Wade on the other hand already has 1 NBA title and Finals MVP.

Shaq + Lebron = unstoppable team.Wade + Shaq = great team

 

[Kleck]

Cause LBJ has yet to win an NBA title.... Wade on the other hand already has 1 NBA title and Finals MVP.

Shaq + Lebron = unstoppable team.Wade + Shaq = great team

Please don't feed the trolls. Feeding them just encourages further input. TIA.

 

[Capella]

Cause LBJ has yet to win an NBA title.... Wade on the other hand already has 1 NBA title and Finals MVP.

How do you remember to breathe?

 

[Spartans Rule]

Wade amd Melo on the other hand will win their fair share of championships.

I'd be shocked if Melo won a championship for anything other than my WIS team.He does very little besides score. IMO he's just not good enough to be the best player on a championship team. He needs to be paired with another star and I dunno how he would mesh with one.

 

[No. 16]

Cause LBJ has yet to win an NBA title.... Wade on the other hand already has 1 NBA title and Finals MVP.

Shaq + Lebron = unstoppable team.Wade + Shaq = great team

Lebron + Shaq = (Crunch time) 15 seconds left LBJ has ball in hands his team down by 2, he drives to the hoop and instead of taking it strong to the rack he dishes to SHAQ, who is then fouled. Shaq proceeds to miss both FTs on line drives.Wade + Shaq = (Crunch Time) 15 seconds left with the ball in Wade's hands. Team is down by 2. He drives to the hoop despite being hounded by two defenders taking it strong to the rack, resulting in a foul call. He sinks both free throws tying the game and then leading the team to victory.

Not saying that LBJ is not a great player, but IMO he is quick to defer to teammates in the final moments. Want to see a great player with killer instinct, just rewatch Wade's performance during the playoffs.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Lebron + Shaq = (Crunch time) 15 seconds left LBJ has ball in hands his team down by 2, he drives to the hoop and instead of taking it strong to the rack he dishes to SHAQ, who is then fouled. Shaq proceeds to miss both FTs on line drives.

Wade + Shaq = (Crunch Time) 15 seconds left with the ball in Wade's hands. Team is down by 2. He drives to the hoop despite being hounded by two defenders taking it strong to the rack, resulting in a foul call. He sinks both free throws tying the game and then leading the team to victory.

Not saying that LBJ is not a great player, but IMO he is quick to defer to teammates in the final moments. Want to see a great player with killer instinct, just rewatch Wade's performance during the playoffs.

BTW 1) nobody said Wade wouldn't win titles and 2) what does Wade winning a title have to do with whether Lebron will win one?

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Oh, should we re-watch Carmelo's performance too?

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Wade amd Melo on the other hand will win their fair share of championships.

I'd be shocked if Melo won a championship for anything other than my WIS team.He does very little besides score. IMO he's just not good enough to be the best player on a championship team. He needs to be paired with another star and I dunno how he would mesh with one.

Carmelo = Dominique Wilkins

 

[adonis]

Cause LBJ has yet to win an NBA title.... Wade on the other hand already has 1 NBA title and Finals MVP.

Shaq + Lebron = unstoppable team.Wade + Shaq = great team

Lebron + Shaq = (Crunch time) 15 seconds left LBJ has ball in hands his team down by 2, he drives to the hoop and instead of taking it strong to the rack he dishes to SHAQ, who is then fouled. Shaq proceeds to miss both FTs on line drives.Wade + Shaq = (Crunch Time) 15 seconds left with the ball in Wade's hands. Team is down by 2. He drives to the hoop despite being hounded by two defenders taking it strong to the rack, resulting in a foul call. He sinks both free throws tying the game and then leading the team to victory.

Is this the part where we make up our own ridiculous hypothetical situations which ridiculously try to prove our point? Ok.Lebron+Shaq = (God's team) Down by 120 points with 2 minutes left, lebron steals every pass in the last two minutes and shoots 39 three pointers, to put the game within 3 points with two seconds left. Lebron then steals his 58th pass in a row, passes to Shaq who dunks from behind the three-point line and is fouled in the process, thus making a four point play. Due to the teams greatness, the refs allow lebron to shoot shaq's free throw, and of course he sinks it and they win the game in the biggest sports comeback in the history of the entire world.

Wade + Shaq = (Most horrible team ever) Down by 120 points with 2 minutes left Wade steals the ball, but because of his most recent flu virus, and his constantly being banged up, he gets disoriented and starts shooting on the wrong goal. Misinterpreting his teams yelling at him as enthusiasm, he then proceeds to steal the ball from his teammates 58 times in a row and winds up scoring 120 points for the other team in the final two minutes. Shaq gets pissed and tries to defend Wade's shots on their own goal, and in an uncanny moment in sports, the refs start to call fouls by players on their own teammates. For shaq's sixth foul, he hits wade in the head, just as he makes his 40th three pointer to bring them to a -240 point deficit, and instantly kills wade, and as wade dies in the air, his foot comes up and kicks shaq in the temple, instantly killing him. Not only do they not have the best comeback ever in the history of sports, but they have two star NBA players dead.

Is that what you want, Wade and Shaq to end up dead?

 

[No. 16]

Cause LBJ has yet to win an NBA title.... Wade on the other hand already has 1 NBA title and Finals MVP.

Shaq + Lebron = unstoppable team.Wade + Shaq = great team

Lebron + Shaq = (Crunch time) 15 seconds left LBJ has ball in hands his team down by 2, he drives to the hoop and instead of taking it strong to the rack he dishes to SHAQ, who is then fouled. Shaq proceeds to miss both FTs on line drives.Wade + Shaq = (Crunch Time) 15 seconds left with the ball in Wade's hands. Team is down by 2. He drives to the hoop despite being hounded by two defenders taking it strong to the rack, resulting in a foul call. He sinks both free throws tying the game and then leading the team to victory.

Is this the part where we make up our own ridiculous hypothetical situations which ridiculously try to prove our point? Ok.Lebron+Shaq = (God's team) Down by 120 points with 2 minutes left, lebron steals every pass in the last two minutes and shoots 39 three pointers, to put the game within 3 points with two seconds left. Lebron then steals his 58th pass in a row, passes to Shaq who dunks from behind the three-point line and is fouled in the process, thus making a four point play. Due to the teams greatness, the refs allow lebron to shoot shaq's free throw, and of course he sinks it and they win the game in the biggest sports comeback in the history of the entire world.

Wade + Shaq = (Most horrible team ever) Down by 120 points with 2 minutes left Wade steals the ball, but because of his most recent flu virus, and his constantly being banged up, he gets disoriented and starts shooting on the wrong goal. Misinterpreting his teams yelling at him as enthusiasm, he then proceeds to steal the ball from his teammates 58 times in a row and winds up scoring 120 points for the other team in the final two minutes. Shaq gets pissed and tries to defend Wade's shots on their own goal, and in an uncanny moment in sports, the refs start to call fouls by players on their own teammates. For shaq's sixth foul, he hits wade in the head, just as he makes his 40th three pointer to bring them to a -240 point deficit, and instantly kills wade, and as wade dies in the air, his foot comes up and kicks shaq in the temple, instantly killing him. Not only do they not have the best comeback ever in the history of sports, but they have two star NBA players dead.

Is that what you want, Wade and Shaq to end up dead?

Ok.I didn't read anything you just typed, but its probably an over exaggerated story that shares no similiarity to the hypothetical situation I proposed .

As far as my hypothetical situation, they are based in reality. LBJ time and time again has passed up the last shot, where as Wade on the other hand has taken the team on his back during crunch time and guided them to a championship.

Looks like Wade will be stopping LBJ from reaching the finals.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Wade amd Melo on the other hand will win their fair share of championships.

I'd be shocked if Melo won a championship for anything other than my WIS team.He does very little besides score. IMO he's just not good enough to be the best player on a championship team. He needs to be paired with another star and I dunno how he would mesh with one.

Carmelo = Dominique Wilkins

Very good comparison.

 

[mr. furley]

Wade amd Melo on the other hand will win their fair share of championships.

I'd be shocked if Melo won a championship for anything other than my WIS team.He does very little besides score. IMO he's just not good enough to be the best player on a championship team. He needs to be paired with another star and I dunno how he would mesh with one.

Carmelo = Dominique Wilkins Glenn Robinson

he's gonna wind up with the same inability to bend at the waist as Dog now suffers from.

 

[wadegarrett]

 

[No. 16]

Anyone think LBJ is still worlds better than Melo or Wade?

 

[Kleck]

Anyone think LBJ is still worlds better than Melo or Wade?

Per much. James roland rating is way ahead of both Melo and Wade.Your bump of this thread further cements my opinion of you too.

 

[No. 16]

Anyone think LBJ is still worlds better than Melo or Wade?

Per much. James roland rating is way ahead of both Melo and Wade.Your bump of this thread further cements my opinion of you too.

And why should I care about you're opinion?Melo is leading the league in scoring and his team has a better record than LBJ (9-4 vc 9-5) in a much harder conference.I admit the season is still early but Melo has picked off right where he was last year and evolved into one of the best offensive and clutch players in the NBA.Melo is averaging more points, has a better FG% (.517 vs. 471) and FT%, and more steals. LBJ trumps Melo in assist and rebounds but that's 4 categories to 2.

 

[mr. furley]

you know, 3 years is never too early to assess a players career.

proof is in the 1 more loss that the Cavaliers have this season. i don't think LeBron's career can ever recover from that.

 

[No. 16]

you know, 3 years is never too early to assess a players career.proof is in the 1 more loss that the Cavaliers have this season. i don't think LeBron's career can ever recover from that.

Me too.

 

[Kleck]

Anyone think LBJ is still worlds better than Melo or Wade?

Per much. James roland rating is way ahead of both Melo and Wade.Your bump of this thread further cements my opinion of you too.

And why should I care about you're opinion?Melo is leading the league in scoring and his team has a better record than LBJ (9-4 vc 9-5) in a much harder conference.I admit the season is still early but Melo has picked off right where he was last year and evolved into one of the best offensive and clutch players in the NBA.Melo is averaging more points, has a better FG% (.517 vs. 471) and FT%, and more steals. LBJ trumps Melo in assist and rebounds but that's 4 categories to 2.

Why should you care about my opinion? Perhaps because I'm a fairly objective observer using a comprehensive stat like roland rating whereas you're a blind homer full of hyperbole that will grasp any statistics that make him feel better about himself.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Melo is averaging more points, has a better FG% (.517 vs. 471) and FT%, and more steals. LBJ trumps Melo in assist and rebounds but that's 4 categories to 2.

James actually destroys Melo in 5 categories:3pt shots made (1.6 to .5)

Rebounds (6.8 to 4.7)

Assists (6.8 to 3.9)

Blocked shots (.9 to .4)

Turnovers (3.2 to 4.7)

Melo has a slight edge in Steals (1.9 to 1.7), and is clearly ahead of James in both shooting percentage stats as well as scoring like you mentioned.

Using your method of comparing these two players, James still comes out ahead 5-4, but that really obscures how much better James is than Melo as an overall player. It's not all about scoring. I love Melo but James is a much, much better all around player.

 

[Casper05]

James will be one off the top 5 players of all time barring injury.

 

[thecatch]

Anyone think LBJ is still worlds better than Melo or Wade?

Per much. James roland rating is way ahead of both Melo and Wade.

James has a 27.59 PER to 26.11 for Anthony. James is putting up better numbers, but you could make the argument that they are statistically very similar (#5th overall PER to the #10th). Its tough to say James is "worlds" better, but you can also say that the Cavs are relying on James more heavily than the Nuggets rely on Melo.

 

[Kleck]

Anyone think LBJ is still worlds better than Melo or Wade?

Per much. James roland rating is way ahead of both Melo and Wade.

James has a 27.59 PER to 26.11 for Anthony. James is putting up better numbers, but you could make the argument that they are statistically very similar (#5th overall PER to the #10th). Its tough to say James is "worlds" better, but you can also say that the Cavs are relying on James more heavily than the Nuggets rely on Melo.

Where are you getting your numbers? For this season only? I would guess if you're getting them for this season only that difference will grow by the end of the season.

 

[No. 16]

Anyone think LBJ is still worlds better than Melo or Wade?

Per much. James roland rating is way ahead of both Melo and Wade.Your bump of this thread further cements my opinion of you too.

And why should I care about you're opinion?Melo is leading the league in scoring and his team has a better record than LBJ (9-4 vc 9-5) in a much harder conference.I admit the season is still early but Melo has picked off right where he was last year and evolved into one of the best offensive and clutch players in the NBA.Melo is averaging more points, has a better FG% (.517 vs. 471) and FT%, and more steals. LBJ trumps Melo in assist and rebounds but that's 4 categories to 2.

Why should you care about my opinion? Perhaps because I'm a fairly objective observer using a comprehensive stat like roland rating whereas you're a blind homer full of hyperbole that will grasp any statistics that make him feel better about himself.

And I talk about how LBJ sucks to feel better about myself?You may or may not agree with me, but this discussion has always been about my thoughts on LBJ as a player. Never once had I made it personal with anyone like you did in your last post. I think you're the one that needs to spew out statistics to feel better about yourself but then try to tack it onto someone else so that you fool yourself into thinking you are better than he is.And aside from alluding to Roland ratings you haven't posted any yourself.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Anyone think LBJ is still worlds better than Melo or Wade?

Per much. James roland rating is way ahead of both Melo and Wade.Your bump of this thread further cements my opinion of you too.

And why should I care about you're opinion?Melo is leading the league in scoring and his team has a better record than LBJ (9-4 vc 9-5) in a much harder conference.I admit the season is still early but Melo has picked off right where he was last year and evolved into one of the best offensive and clutch players in the NBA.Melo is averaging more points, has a better FG% (.517 vs. 471) and FT%, and more steals. LBJ trumps Melo in assist and rebounds but that's 4 categories to 2.

Cleveland is 4-0 against the West, and Denver is 3-2.

 

[No. 16]

Anyone think LBJ is still worlds better than Melo or Wade?

Per much. James roland rating is way ahead of both Melo and Wade.Your bump of this thread further cements my opinion of you too.

And why should I care about you're opinion?Melo is leading the league in scoring and his team has a better record than LBJ (9-4 vc 9-5) in a much harder conference.I admit the season is still early but Melo has picked off right where he was last year and evolved into one of the best offensive and clutch players in the NBA.Melo is averaging more points, has a better FG% (.517 vs. 471) and FT%, and more steals. LBJ trumps Melo in assist and rebounds but that's 4 categories to 2.

Cleveland is 4-0 against the West, and Denver is 3-2.

Aside from SA they beat Mem, Por, and Min probably the 3 of the worst teams in the Western Conference.

 

[No. 16]

More on Melo...From ESPN daily dime per Greg Anthony

Don't forget they're also without Nene. Marcus Camby and Reggie Evans have a great impact defensively and with rebounding. So now they don't have K-Mart's offensive explosiveness, but that's where J.R. has helped make them better.And Carmelo's now the game's best pure scorer -- his ability to play out of double teams, get teammates involved -- that has been fun to watch. The sky's the limit. Karl told me that Anthony is the best pure scorer he's ever coached. And that scoring is coming within the framework of helping his team.

Just saying that LBJ is not as great as everyone thinks he is. Anyone remeber how we were talking about KG when he first entered the league?

 

[No. 16]

More Melo hype from ESPN Daily Dime. This time from Allan Houston...

Carmelo Anthony. The best offensive player in the game right now. He's unguardable by one person. Even the best defenders in the league will tell you this. Too big and strong for guards, and too quick for big men. His shooting touch pulls it all together.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Melo can score. Nobody disputes this.

But, can you find an "expert" who claims that Melo is a better all around player than James?

also, shouldn't "the best offensive player in the game" shoot better than 18.5% from 3pt range? especially when he's averaging 2.3 attempts per game? James has improved his outside shooting significantly since entering the league and is up to nearly 40% this year, while Melo's % has dropped every year.

lastly, James has an assist/turnover ratio of 6.8/3.2. Melo has an assist/turnover ratio of 4.1/4.6. Doesn't that indicate that James is a much much better passer/ball handler?

 

[mr. furley]

i'm telling you, Carmelo = Dog Robinson.

he's going to suffer from the same immobility in a few years. they're eerily similar to me.