Lebron James will never win a championship... (2 Viewers)

[Das Boot]

Just realized who this alias belongs to.The one person you KNOW would have posted in this thread, and hasn't.THE expert on all sports in the FFA, and a confirmed amateur fisherman.

I am not an alias... I've been here longer than you.

There's no way there's two of you in the universe.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

BTW, props to 'Melo for willing his team to one victory in this year's playoffs.

When LBJ plays in the western conference then maybe that comment can be actually hold some weight.The CAVS beat... the Wizards sans GA and Butler and the Nets.Denver faced the Spurs. Big difference buddy.

I wasn't comparing Cleveland and Denver's opponents, Captain Defensive. I was stating fact about the great Carmelo who is going to win so many championships who has an HOF player to help him managed to win ONE playoff game.You knew what conference each of them played in when you started this thread. Don't throw it up now as some excuse for Melo's underachievement.but since you want to compare...CLE 2-0 vs SADEN 2-6 vs SA

 

[Apollo]

BTW, props to 'Melo for willing his team to one victory in this year's playoffs.

When LBJ plays in the western conference then maybe that comment can be actually hold some weight.The CAVS beat... the Wizards sans GA and Butler and the Nets.

Denver faced the Spurs. Big difference buddy.

LBJ is fortunate enough to play in the east where the competition level is nowhere near the West. Spurs just beat the Suns in 6 games*, meaning two all-nba players couldnt even lead them past the Spurs. Cavs faced a JV team and a team whos best player doesn't care at times. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Fixed

 

[No. 16]

BTW, props to 'Melo for willing his team to one victory in this year's playoffs.

When LBJ plays in the western conference then maybe that comment can be actually hold some weight.The CAVS beat... the Wizards sans GA and Butler and the Nets.Denver faced the Spurs. Big difference buddy.

I wasn't comparing Cleveland and Denver's opponents, Captain Defensive. I was stating fact about the great Carmelo who is going to win so many championships who has an HOF player to help him managed to win ONE playoff game.You knew what conference each of them played in when you started this thread. Don't throw it up now as some excuse for Melo's underachievement.but since you want to compare...CLE 2-0 vs SADEN 2-6 vs SA

Well if you make a sarcastic remark about Melo's failure in the playoffs then you have to consider his opponents. The Nuggets lost to the probable NBA champions and the Cavs have faced weaker competition. So the Cavs went 2-0 in the regular season, but everyone knows the Spurs have a different level for the playoffs. Put the Cavs in the Western Conference playoffs and they could only beat two teams possibly... the Lakers and the Rockets, but even then it would be a 7 game series. LBJ is a very good NBA player, but he won't be as good as everyone expects him to be. Most of the posters in this thread are giving LBJ the benefit of the doubt b/c of his youth to reach his All-World potential, but from watching LBJ play and reading his interviews he doesn't have that competitive edge and personality to lead a team to the championship, IMO.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

BTW, props to 'Melo for willing his team to one victory in this year's playoffs.

When LBJ plays in the western conference then maybe that comment can be actually hold some weight.The CAVS beat... the Wizards sans GA and Butler and the Nets.Denver faced the Spurs. Big difference buddy.

I wasn't comparing Cleveland and Denver's opponents, Captain Defensive. I was stating fact about the great Carmelo who is going to win so many championships who has an HOF player to help him managed to win ONE playoff game.You knew what conference each of them played in when you started this thread. Don't throw it up now as some excuse for Melo's underachievement.but since you want to compare...CLE 2-0 vs SADEN 2-6 vs SA

Well if you make a sarcastic remark about Melo's failure in the playoffs then you have to consider his opponents. The Nuggets lost to the probable NBA champions and the Cavs have faced weaker competition. So the Cavs went 2-0 in the regular season, but everyone knows the Spurs have a different level for the playoffs.

Nobody is disputing that the Cavs have faced easier competition. I don't know why you keep saying it. And again, it has nothing to do with Denver's success or lack thereof.And while SA is a very very good team, they're not exactly the '86 Celtics.

 

[Da Guru]

Alan Iverson should be in the title as well.

 

[INDIANSummer]

The Nuggets lost to the probable NBA champions

Put the Cavs in the Western Conference playoffs and they could only beat two teams

LBJ is a very good NBA player, but he won't be as good as everyone expects him to be

but from watching LBJ play and reading his interviews he doesn't have that competitive edge and personality to lead a team to the championship

 

[Capella]

I love how Lebron has now made the conference finals in his fourth year, as what...a 22-year-old? And with very little supporting cast, and yet #16 continues to troll on, hoping he can someway validate his tremendously stupid stance here.

Fight on.

 

[Da Guru]

I love how Lebron has now made the conference finals in his fourth year, as what...a 22-year-old? And with very little supporting cast, and yet #16 continues to troll on, hoping he can someway validate his tremendously stupid stance here.Fight on.

Lebron will win a title before AI who will never win, and before a Shaqless Kobe.

 

[Bobcat10]

The Bulls are the best young team in the East in a 7 game series the Bulls depth and defense will get the upperhand on LBJ and the Cavs everytime.

You foolishly underestimate the Cavs on the defensive end and on the boards.Depth? Bahhh. Too close to call and something that is not that difficult to improve on.

 

[No. 16]

So in Game 1....

Cavs down 2 with 30 seconds left.

1. LBJ gets the ball deep in the post and instead of owning Tayshuan he passes it to Z.... miss.

Luckily Hughes gets the rebound and maybe LBJ does the right thing when given a second chance with 13 seconds left.

2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall.... miss.

Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

 

[Capella]

2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall.... miss.Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

now you're just fishing. that was a terrific play to a wide-open marshall -- he should've nailed that 3.edit: I hope you're fishing, but history indicates you probably are not.

 

[Da Guru]

Piston win 79-76

 

[Master of Past and Present]

So in Game 1....Cavs down 2 with 30 seconds left.1. LBJ gets the ball deep in the post and instead of owning Tayshuan he passes it to Z.... miss.Luckily Hughes gets the rebound and maybe LBJ does the right thing when given a second chance with 13 seconds left.2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall.... miss.Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

And if he goes for the shot and misses you are telling us how he doesn't trust his teammates enough to pass and without trust in teammates, he can never win blah blah blah.

 

[No. 16]

2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall.... miss.Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

now you're just fishing. that was a terrific play to a wide-open marshall -- he should've nailed that 3.edit: I hope you're fishing, but history indicates you probably are not.

Really?Down by 2 and you pass up a dunk or foul shots for a 3.... by Marshall? If they were down by 3 I would understand and wouldn't fault him... but down two points, not a smart move.

 

[No. 16]

So in Game 1....Cavs down 2 with 30 seconds left.1. LBJ gets the ball deep in the post and instead of owning Tayshuan he passes it to Z.... miss.Luckily Hughes gets the rebound and maybe LBJ does the right thing when given a second chance with 13 seconds left.2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall.... miss.Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

And if he goes for the shot and misses you are telling us how he doesn't trust his teammates enough to pass and without trust in teammates, he can never win blah blah blah.

Nope... my whole argument is he TRUSTS his teammates or DEFERS to his teammates too much in clutch situations. Good enogh to get you there, but not great enough to take it.

 

[Capella]

2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall.... miss.Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

now you're just fishing. that was a terrific play to a wide-open marshall -- he should've nailed that 3.edit: I hope you're fishing, but history indicates you probably are not.

Really?Down by 2 and you pass up a dunk or foul shots for a 3.... by Marshall? If they were down by 3 I would understand and wouldn't fault him... but down two points, not a smart move.

no, it was 100% the smart move. go for the win on the road when you have a great shot and a good shooter available. rip even said after the game that was the one play they didn't want to see open.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

So in Game 1....

Cavs down 2 with 30 seconds left.

1. LBJ gets the ball deep in the post and instead of owning Tayshuan he passes it to Z.... miss.

Luckily Hughes gets the rebound and maybe LBJ does the right thing when given a second chance with 13 seconds left.

2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall who Sheed left wide open knowing that a 2 doesn't beat us but a 3 does.... miss.

Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

I had flashbacks to when Rasheed left Horry open a few years back and he stuck a game winning 3. Sheed should not have helped in that situation - got away with one. Cleveland played Chauncey very well - Flip has got to figure out a way to free him up a little bit the rest of the way.

 

[No. 16]

2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall.... miss.Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

now you're just fishing. that was a terrific play to a wide-open marshall -- he should've nailed that 3.edit: I hope you're fishing, but history indicates you probably are not.

Really?Down by 2 and you pass up a dunk or foul shots for a 3.... by Marshall? If they were down by 3 I would understand and wouldn't fault him... but down two points, not a smart move.

no, it was 100% the smart move. go for the win on the road when you have a great shot and a good shooter available. rip even said after the game that was the one play they didn't want to see open.

So that's smarter than tying up the game, playing D for 3 seconds, and giving your team a full 5 minutes to steal one on the road?

 

[No. 16]

Thank you, Chuck.

 

[The Goat]

Just out of curiosity, how exactly is it a detriment to LeBron that he's not in the Western Conference?

 

[No. 16]

Just out of curiosity, how exactly is it a detriment to LeBron that he's not in the Western Conference?

It's not it really helps him.People are saying LBJ carried his team to the Eastern Conference Finals.... but they beat Wizards team w/o their 2 best players and were well rested to take on the older Nets. If the Cavs didn't make it to the Eastern Finals I would be worried.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Just out of curiosity, how exactly is it a detriment to LeBron that he's not in the Western Conference?

It's not it really helps him.People are saying LBJ carried his team to the Eastern Conference Finals.... but they beat Wizards team w/o their 2 best players and were well rested to take on the older Nets. If the Cavs didn't make it to the Eastern Finals I would be worried.

didn't LeBron basically take the Pistons to 7 games a year ago?

 

[Synthesizer]

2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall.... miss.Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

now you're just fishing. that was a terrific play to a wide-open marshall -- he should've nailed that 3.edit: I hope you're fishing, but history indicates you probably are not.

Really?Down by 2 and you pass up a dunk or foul shots for a 3.... by Marshall? If they were down by 3 I would understand and wouldn't fault him... but down two points, not a smart move.

As if your basketball IQ wasn't already in question, you're dropping it even further. On the road with 8 seconds left in the game he sets up a teammate perfectly for a wide-open 3 to win it all..... and that's not good enough for you. Heck, he set up Ilgauskus for a wide-open 19-footer on the play before.

 

[No. 16]

Please basketball IQ? I know my basketball... sorry we just disagree. If you need to check out my basketball knowledge feel free to see my team in the Build a Basketball Franchise Draft. Started the Cavs (how ironic) from the beginning and took over the Lakers in the 6th. The rosters are entered in the order people were drafted.

Did you not listen to the TNT post game? Chuck, Kenny, and Magic are all echoing my points... LBJ passed up the oppourtunity to be a dominant player and take over the game. Do you question their basketball IQ?

When you are 5-7 feet from the basket why would you pass it up for a longer shot... when you are down only TWO POINTS? That sounds stupid to me.

 

[Synthesizer]

Please basketball IQ? I know my basketball... sorry we just disagree. If you need to check out my basketball knowledge feel free to see my team in the Build a Basketball Franchise Draft. Started the Cavs (how ironic) from the beginning and took over the Lakers in the 6th. The rosters are entered in the order people were drafted.

Did you not listen to the TNT post game? Chuck, Kenny, and Magic are all echoing my points... LBJ passed up the oppourtunity to be a dominant player and take over the game. Do you question their basketball IQ?

When you are 5-7 feet from the basket why would you pass it up for a longer shot... when you are down only TWO POINTS? That sounds stupid to me.

Aren't these the same guys who were supporting Artest immediately after he went into the stands?

 

[No. 16]

Please basketball IQ? I know my basketball... sorry we just disagree. If you need to check out my basketball knowledge feel free to see my team in the Build a Basketball Franchise Draft. Started the Cavs (how ironic) from the beginning and took over the Lakers in the 6th. The rosters are entered in the order people were drafted.

Did you not listen to the TNT post game? Chuck, Kenny, and Magic are all echoing my points... LBJ passed up the oppourtunity to be a dominant player and take over the game. Do you question their basketball IQ?

When you are 5-7 feet from the basket why would you pass it up for a longer shot... when you are down only TWO POINTS? That sounds stupid to me.

Aren't these the same guys who were supporting Artest immediately after he went into the stands?

Your point? Their opinion on Artest running into the stands is not a matter of basketball IQ.I honestly can't believe you are questioning the basketball IQ of two of the NBA 50 Greatest players and an NBA All-Star. Especially two former point guards! I mean one is Magic Freakin Johnson.

 

[No. 16]

Just more food for thought... I guess Chuck, Kenny, Magic, and I are not the only ones with low basketball IQs....

ESPN Daily Dime

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Should LeBron James have thrown that pass to Donyell Marshall? Or should he have attacked the basket?

If you have a water cooler in your office, go over and grab a drink and ask the guy who's standing there. Go ahead, do it. Doesn't matter where your office is, there's a guy over there by the water cooler dying to discuss this very issue. He's waiting for you.

Because on a night with so many small surprises and subplots, the only thing anyone is going to remember about Game 1 of the Eastern Conference finals, won by Detroit 79-76, is this: With the game on the line, LeBron James didn't take the biggest shot. He let Marshall take it instead.

"Like I was telling Damon [Jones], it felt better than any of the six I hit in New Jersey," Marshall said afterward in the cramped visiting locker room, James standing only a few feet away trying to look indiscreet as he paid close attention to every answer Marshall gave. "That's what I was brought here for -- to make shots like that one," Marshall said.

Marshall couldn't have been any more wide open on the 3-point attempt from the right corner with 5.9 seconds left, so you can hardly fault James for getting him the ball. Right?

Well, maybe you can.

Because at the moment James threw that pass, he was driving to his left and seemed like he might have been able to get around Tayshaun Prince and power to the basket, although Richard Hamilton was closing hard from one side and Rasheed Wallace was coming in from the other. And since James had already picked up his dribble, it wasn't like he was going to get close enough for a layup. It would have been more like a 5-foot floater.

It was an instant that called for a split-second decision, and James decided to give it up. And it's not like he gave it up to Scot Pollard. He gave it to a guy who nailed six 3s in the Cavs' previous game.

"I go for the winning play," James said. "If two guys come at you and your teammate is open, then give it up. Simple as that."

Actually, it's not that simple, LeBron. Not when the eyes and the weight of the world are on you, and not when people expect otherworldly things out of you even though you're only 22.

The Cavs actually expected the Pistons to commit a foul on the play, seeing that they had a foul to give. But as Detroit assistant coach Terry Porter told me on his way out of the arena, the Pistons knew not to foul the instant James put his head down and started to make his move, because on a night when James did not go to the foul line one single time, they knew he was due to get a call, and they didn't want to give Ken Mauer, Greg Willard or Steve Javie a reason to whistle one.

"The play wasn't designed for me to get the shot," Marshall said. "Me not having made a 3 all night, they probably didn't even know I was in the game."

"It looked like everybody collapsed because there was nobody near Donyell," Cavs coach Mike Brown said. "I mean, he could have sat and had a cup of coffee before he even shot the basketball. LeBron trusts his teammates, his teammates trust him, and you've just got to step up and knock the shot down."

None of the Cavs seemed anywhere near crushed by the loss, and James was even bold enough to allow: "We're not satisfied, but we can look back and say, okay, we're okay with this loss tonight."

Funny way to look at it, but we're learning more and more with each passing season that LeBron doesn't take losses very hard. You'd imagine this time might be different, what with the Cavs failing to take advantage of Chauncey Billups' seven turnovers or an 18-11 edge in offensive rebounds or a 1-for-11 shooting night from Prince, but at least from his outward appearance, James took it in stride.

He and his teammates now have two full days to mull over the opportunity they let slip through their hands, and it'll be interesting to see how that affects their mindset when they come out for the start of Game 2 on Thursday night.

This was a night when they were the more aggressive team, the more energetic team, the more active team. And despite James 5-for-15 shooting night, they almost got a triple double out of him thanks to his 10 points, 10 rebounds and nine assists.

Of course, that elusive 10th assist could have come on Marshall's 3 from the corner, or it could have come on an open jumper by Zydrunas Ilgauskas with 15.9 seconds left that also missed.

But again, we're talking about what might have been a game-winning assist from James, not a game-winning shot. It just sort of doesn't seem right, does it?

Well, that's why if there isn't a crowd at the water cooler right now, there will be one at some point during the day. After all, it ain't every night that the biggest superstar left in the NBA playoffs drives the lane with the ballgame on the line and then gives the ball up to a teammate.

Doesn't matter how open Marshall was, and it doesn't matter how many defenders were coming at him. It just didn't seem right, and it's an open debate as to whether it was.

 

[Highlander24]

LBJ should have definitely gone to the basket looking to score and with such a wide open lane, he could have lay in the ball with his left or dunked it with his right. He could have created contact and gone to the line because the refs give stars the benefit of the doubt. LBJ was thinking too much of pass-first then score first. I would rather go for a lay-up and tie the game with is a lot easier than shooting a 3pter which is on avg a 30% shot then a lay-up which is a definite score. LBJ got too scared, because he knew if he got fouled, he would have to take free throws, and we know he cannot hit free throws in key moments. I like LBJ, but superstars will take that shot 100% of the time instead of kicking out to someone for a 3.

Why defer to your teammates, when you are the MAN in that situation, THEY EXPECT YOU to make the shot. He's always going to look for his teammates to bail him out of every late situation, its ON YOU LBJ, ITS ON YOU.

 

[No. 16]

LBJ should have definitely gone to the basket looking to score and with such a wide open lane, he could have lay in the ball with his left or dunked it with his right. He could have created contact and gone to the line because the refs give stars the benefit of the doubt. LBJ was thinking too much of pass-first then score first. I would rather go for a lay-up and tie the game with is a lot easier than shooting a 3pter which is on avg a 30% shot then a lay-up which is a definite score. LBJ got too scared, because he knew if he got fouled, he would have to take free throws, and we know he cannot hit free throws in key moments. I like LBJ, but superstars will take that shot 100% of the time instead of kicking out to someone for a 3.Why defer to your teammates, when you are the MAN in that situation, THEY EXPECT YOU to make the shot. He's always going to look for his teammates to bail him out of every late situation, its ON YOU LBJ, ITS ON YOU.

He stays away from pressure. He can't handle it.

 

[ELM]

not that it is really in doubt, but their is a strange familiarity with how often number 16 edits his posts.

 

[Your Mother]

Doesn't his wife have a troubled pregnancy this year or something? I've heard he's been a bit distracted this year?

 

[No. 16]

not that it is really in doubt, but their is a strange familiarity with how often number 16 edits his posts.

I'm just a horrible typist.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Everyone acts like every other superstar has taken every other big shot at the end of a game. I can remember plenty of big playoff games where John Paxton or Steve Kerr hit a big 3 to win a game after Jordan help setup the shot. And how many times has Derek Fisher hit game winners for the Lakers instead of Kobe?

If Marshall had hit the wide open 3, we'd all be talking about how James got his teammates involved and how he was able to have a huge impact on the game despite not scoring a lot of points. Everyone would be lauding him for being a team player and getting the guy with the open shot the ball. If James had taken the ball to the hoop himself and been swatted or forced into a bad shot, everyone would be complaining that he didn't pass the ball to his wide open teammate. He made the right play, his teammate just let him down.

 

[Village Idiot]

So in Game 1....Cavs down 2 with 30 seconds left.1. LBJ gets the ball deep in the post and instead of owning Tayshuan he passes it to Z.... miss.Luckily Hughes gets the rebound and maybe LBJ does the right thing when given a second chance with 13 seconds left.2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall.... miss.Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

And if he goes for the shot and misses you are telling us how he doesn't trust his teammates enough to pass and without trust in teammates, he can never win blah blah blah.

 

[culdeus]

I hadn't really ever watched a full LBJ game till last night. The East hardly exists in my world, but I don't see what the big deal is about LBJ. Seems very, very above average. And now it's obvious to anyone that he wants to avoid the choke tag more than he wants the clutch tag. What a #####.

 

[illiterate]

Everyone acts like every other superstar has taken every other big shot at the end of a game. I can remember plenty of big playoff games where John Paxton or Steve Kerr hit a big 3 to win a game after Jordan help setup the shot. And how many times has Derek Fisher hit game winners for the Lakers instead of Kobe? If Marshall had hit the wide open 3, we'd all be talking about how James got his teammates involved and how he was able to have a huge impact on the game despite not scoring a lot of points. Everyone would be lauding him for being a team player and getting the guy with the open shot the ball. If James had taken the ball to the hoop himself and been swatted or forced into a bad shot, everyone would be complaining that he didn't pass the ball to his wide open teammate. He made the right play, his teammate just let him down.

Exactly. If Marshall makes that shot everyone would be talking about what a great play it was and James' triple-double.

 

[Bobcat10]

Marshall buries the shot, Lebron has a triple double and is a hero w/ Marshall (just like Damon Jones last year vs Washington).

Marshall misses the shot, idiots criticize LBJ for not taking the shot.

LBJ makes a layup or dunk, the Cavs lose in OT, they'll find another way to criticize LBJ.

LBJ gets fouled, splits the FT's (not that unlikely), LBJ is criticized for not being able to make big FT's.

I could go on and on. LBJ will get criticized for most of what he does. How you can fault him for going for the win on the road is ridiculus. Let the guy play basketball already and quit hating.

Who's to say he would have even gotten a foul call if he was fouled? Hubie Brown said this morning on the radio LBJ was hammered 3 times in the 4th quarter with no calls. And I could point out 1-2 more times in the 3rd. You saw the frustration on LBJ's face after those plays, he was getting killed. The Pistons even tried to foul him on a break out when he crossed his 3pt line in the 3rd, then turned it over. They were trying to foul him! Why put the game in the hands of the refs who choked on their whistles for most of the game (on both ends of the floor)?

 

[Capella]

I hadn't really ever watched a full LBJ game till last night. The East hardly exists in my world, but I don't see what the big deal is about LBJ. Seems very, very above average. And now it's obvious to anyone that he wants to avoid the choke tag more than he wants the clutch tag. What a #####.

So you've never watched Lebron before last night, yet you know enough about him to call him average, a choker, and a #####.Gotcha.

 

[Jayrod]

I'm so sorry I've never read this thread until today. Some hilarity in here.

The only thing I'd knock LeBron on is his FT shooting. If he gets that up into the 80's, he will be unstoppable and will definitely win a championship. But I think he might even without improving his FT%.

One thing I haven't noticed anyone saying is that you don't have to be a last second clutch player to lead your team to a title. Not every game comes down to a last second shot. A win going away by 10 or more is still a win and it takes 4 to win a series. I'm sure there are teams that have won titles without a late game bucket to pull it out throughout the entire playoffs. I know the last minute is what everyone remembers, but games can be won in lost in the first 47 minutes as well.

LeBron will get a few rings before it all ends. I don't think they can beat both the Pistons & the Spurs this year, but the Cavs are one key player away from being the best team in the East. They are very good on D, but definitely lack some offensive fire-power.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Even if James go's to the hoop and dunks or makes a layup, there still would have been 8 seconds left, which is plenty of time for Detroit to get a good shot up or draw a foul.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall.... miss.Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

now you're just fishing. that was a terrific play to a wide-open marshall -- he should've nailed that 3.edit: I hope you're fishing, but history indicates you probably are not.

Marshall didnt have a player w/in 10 feet of him. He makes that shot 9/10 times. Lebron wasnt going to finish that drive . . . he was going to be hacked. I thought it was a good play.

 

[No. 16]

2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall.... miss.Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

now you're just fishing. that was a terrific play to a wide-open marshall -- he should've nailed that 3.edit: I hope you're fishing, but history indicates you probably are not.

Marshall didnt have a player w/in 10 feet of him. He makes that shot 9/10 times. Lebron wasnt going to finish that drive . . . he was going to be hacked. I thought it was a good play.

Exactly and LBJ knew that.... he didn't want to go to the line... where NO ONE WOULD BE GUARDING HIM AT ALL and he could take his precious time.If the Cavs were down 3... I would not fault that play. However, being down only 2 point... you have to take it strong to the rack... any contact and LBJ would have gottena foul call. He already dipped his shoulder and got ahead of Prince.... all he had to do was launch that 6'8", 240 pound body into the air. According to 82games.com LBJ makes close range shots at a close range: 66.7% dunks: 97.3%for a inside paint average: 72.4%FT he shoots at... 70% What's the percentage of Marhsall's shot?He shoots 3pt regular season... 34.9%, post season - 40%, and career... 35%.So he was smart to pass it up?

 

[RoarinSonoran]

2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall.... miss.

Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

now you're just fishing. that was a terrific play to a wide-open marshall -- he should've nailed that 3.edit: I hope you're fishing, but history indicates you probably are not.

Jimmy McGinty: Falco! If I had wanted Cochran to have the ball I would've called it that way!

Shane Falco: I read blitz.

Jimmy McGinty: Bull####! I put the game in your hands... you got scared.

Shane Falco: I READ BLITZ.

Jimmy McGinty: [walks over and looks at Falco with disgust] Winners always want the ball... when the game is on the line.

(......)

Shane Falco: I want the ball.

Jimmy McGinty: Winners always do.

Words to live by.

 

[Bobcat10]

2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall.... miss.

Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

now you're just fishing. that was a terrific play to a wide-open marshall -- he should've nailed that 3.edit: I hope you're fishing, but history indicates you probably are not.

Marshall didnt have a player w/in 10 feet of him. He makes that shot 9/10 times. Lebron wasnt going to finish that drive . . . he was going to be hacked. I thought it was a good play.

Exactly and LBJ knew that.... he didn't want to go to the line... where NO ONE WOULD BE GUARDING HIM AT ALL and he could take his precious time.If the Cavs were down 3... I would not fault that play. However, being down only 2 point... you have to take it strong to the rack... any contact and LBJ would have gottena foul call. He already dipped his shoulder and got ahead of Prince.... all he had to do was launch that 6'8", 240 pound body into the air. According to 82games.com LBJ makes close range shots at a

close range: 66.7%

dunks: 97.3%

for a inside paint average: 72.4%

FT he shoots at... 70%

What's the percentage of Marhsall's shot?

He shoots 3pt regular season... 34.9%, post season - 40%, and career... 35%.

So he was smart to pass it up?

He did that at least 3-6 times during the game and didn't get a single call! How can you put the game into the refs hands if you are just looking for a foul? He made one of those shots he got hammered on iirc. I think it's more towards 5, so 1 of 5 let's say. I'll take Marshall making that shot 20% of the time ahead of Lebron getting a no call where he makes the tough shot from the left 20% of the time.

 

[Britney Spears]

I hadn't really ever watched a full LBJ game till last night. The East hardly exists in my world, but I don't see what the big deal is about LBJ. Seems very, very above average. And now it's obvious to anyone that he wants to avoid the choke tag more than he wants the clutch tag. What a #####.

Watching this post unfold is the best kind of humor in the FFA. From first time viewer to expert on the subject in 5 sentences.

 

[culdeus]

I hadn't really ever watched a full LBJ game till last night. The East hardly exists in my world, but I don't see what the big deal is about LBJ. Seems very, very above average. And now it's obvious to anyone that he wants to avoid the choke tag more than he wants the clutch tag. What a #####.

Watching this post unfold is the best kind of humor in the FFA. From first time viewer to expert on the subject in 5 sentences.

I do remember this particularly clangtastic set of events in a game earlier this year that I caught the second half of: James Free Throw 1 of 1 (39 PTS) 0:41[CLE 92-95] 0:18 Terry Layup Shot: Missed 0:17 Dampier Rebound (Off:4 Def:4) 0:15 Dampier Turnover:Bad Pass (2 TO) Steal:Varejao (2 ST) 0:13 Nowitzki Foul:Shooting (3 PF)James Free Throw 1 of 2 missed 0:13 Team Rebound 0:13 Marshall Substitution replaced by Brown 0:13 James Free Throw 2 of 2 missed 0:13 Brown Rebound (Off:1 Def:0) 0:13 Team Timeout:Short 0:10 Snow Substitution replaced by Marshall 0:10 Brown Substitution replaced by Gibson 0:10 James 3pt Shot: Missed 0:04 Varejao Rebound (Off:4 Def:8) 0:03 James 3pt Shot: Missed 0:00 0:00 Dampier Rebound (Off:4 Def:5)Seriously, I get it he's good, but he's just not some jawdropping superstar stud. This guy is more like a Yao level bust. Yes he puts up good numbers, but they are empty numbers very AROD-esque.

 

[No. 16]

2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall.... miss.

Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

now you're just fishing. that was a terrific play to a wide-open marshall -- he should've nailed that 3.edit: I hope you're fishing, but history indicates you probably are not.

Marshall didnt have a player w/in 10 feet of him. He makes that shot 9/10 times. Lebron wasnt going to finish that drive . . . he was going to be hacked. I thought it was a good play.

Exactly and LBJ knew that.... he didn't want to go to the line... where NO ONE WOULD BE GUARDING HIM AT ALL and he could take his precious time.If the Cavs were down 3... I would not fault that play. However, being down only 2 point... you have to take it strong to the rack... any contact and LBJ would have gottena foul call. He already dipped his shoulder and got ahead of Prince.... all he had to do was launch that 6'8", 240 pound body into the air. According to 82games.com LBJ makes close range shots at a

close range: 66.7%

dunks: 97.3%

for a inside paint average: 72.4%

FT he shoots at... 70%

What's the percentage of Marhsall's shot?

He shoots 3pt regular season... 34.9%, post season - 40%, and career... 35%.

So he was smart to pass it up?

He did that at least 3-6 times during the game and didn't get a single call! How can you put the game into the refs hands if you are just looking for a foul? He made one of those shots he got hammered on iirc. I think it's more towards 5, so 1 of 5 let's say. I'll take Marshall making that shot 20% of the time ahead of Lebron getting a no call where he makes the tough shot from the left 20% of the time.

He's a superstar he would have gotten the call, but even then... he was ahead of Prince, had dipped his shoulder already... if he would have put his mind to slam it home... he could have. He's made much more difficult dunks than the one that presented itself last night. He just had the mindset from the beginning to pass.Like I said... down by 3. You hear nothing from me, unless LBJ passes up a wide open 3 to one of his teammates. Down by 2. Stupid move.

And really... Marshall said it himself... THE PLAY WASN'T DESIGNED FOR HIM! Even Mike Freakin Brown knew that the best play was to give LBJ the ball, clear out, and let him drive.

 

[igbomb]

I hadn't really ever watched a full LBJ game till last night. The East hardly exists in my world, but I don't see what the big deal is about LBJ. Seems very, very above average. And now it's obvious to anyone that he wants to avoid the choke tag more than he wants the clutch tag. What a #####.

Watching this post unfold is the best kind of humor in the FFA. From first time viewer to expert on the subject in 5 sentences.

I do remember this particularly clangtastic set of events in a game earlier this year that I caught the second half of: James Free Throw 1 of 1 (39 PTS) 0:41[CLE 92-95] 0:18 Terry Layup Shot: Missed 0:17 Dampier Rebound (Off:4 Def:4) 0:15 Dampier Turnover:Bad Pass (2 TO) Steal:Varejao (2 ST) 0:13 Nowitzki Foul:Shooting (3 PF)James Free Throw 1 of 2 missed 0:13 Team Rebound 0:13 Marshall Substitution replaced by Brown 0:13 James Free Throw 2 of 2 missed 0:13 Brown Rebound (Off:1 Def:0) 0:13 Team Timeout:Short 0:10 Snow Substitution replaced by Marshall 0:10 Brown Substitution replaced by Gibson 0:10 James 3pt Shot: Missed 0:04 Varejao Rebound (Off:4 Def:8) 0:03 James 3pt Shot: Missed 0:00 0:00 Dampier Rebound (Off:4 Def:5)Seriously, I get it he's good, but he's just not some jawdropping superstar stud. This guy is more like a Yao level bust. Yes he puts up good numbers, but they are empty numbers very AROD-esque.

 

[Capella]

2. LBJ gets the ball... top of the key... drives to the rim and instead of going up and jamming it down Tayshuan's and Sheed's throat.... he passes to Marshall.... miss.

Dude is a choke artist and doesn't want the pressure of the game winning shot.

now you're just fishing. that was a terrific play to a wide-open marshall -- he should've nailed that 3.edit: I hope you're fishing, but history indicates you probably are not.

Jimmy McGinty: Falco! If I had wanted Cochran to have the ball I would've called it that way!

Shane Falco: I read blitz.

Jimmy McGinty: Bull####! I put the game in your hands... you got scared.

Shane Falco: I READ BLITZ.

Jimmy McGinty: [walks over and looks at Falco with disgust] Winners always want the ball... when the game is on the line.

(......)

Shane Falco: I want the ball.

Jimmy McGinty: Winners always do.

Words to live by.

now we're judging the guy on hollywood quotes. I love this place.