Lebron James will never win a championship... (1 Viewer)

[Bobcat10]

and people wondered why James didn't take the shot in Game 1. Hamilton is all over James and there's no call. Even after Hughes's shot you can see a Piston practically giving James a bear hug so that he can't get the rebound.

And yet Wallace takes a terrible shot and flops to the floor and gets a foul call. I rewound it and watched it in slow motion and couldn't even see a Cav player touch him. Then two possessions later he blatantly shoves Varajao with no call. Yes Varajao is a flopper, but that was a pretty obvious shove by Wallace.

The only thing that I can fault James for, is that instead of driving down low then posting with his back to the basket, he should have just driven and dunked it. Although the Pistons are masters of sliding under guys and getting charge calls so even that probably wouldn't have worked.

Like Rasheed gets any benefit from the refs.

The call at the end was very borderline and greg anthony, dee brown, barkely, kenny smith and magic plus golic this morning all said no foul was the right call, so im not sure what your seeing

I think that this picture is pretty clear. Hamilton clearly has his body into James and his arm is definitely clipping his elbow. No question that it's a foul.

Can you find the picture showing LeBron stiff-arming/pushing off on Rip to start the play?Thanks.

Sorry, no such picture. Perhaps you could provide any such picture? What I see in the video is Hamilton slapping James across the chest and James smacking his arm away. LINK

Wow, they didn't call Rip for anything in that last possession? Daaammmmmn.

This is no surprise. The officiating in the NBA seems to get worse every year. Yet another reason to not want to watch. It's ridiculous they wouldn't call a foul with that type of contact at the end of the game. I hate those guys.

Officiating is the main problem right now in the NBA imo. If this is a regular season game against Memphis, is this foul called? Absolutely. It really is a bad way of doing things when calls are made and not made depending on game situation, player with ball, player guarding player with ball. A foul in the early game can often be dupliated without a call late in the game and since players know this, it would be silly to think they don't play rougher defense on purpose knowing the refs don't want to blow the whistle and allow the players to decide.

That play happens in the first quarter, there is a foul. In a regular season game, there is a foul. But hey, this is the end of the 4th quarter in a playoff game so my definition of foul gets changed so this is a no call.

Probably not in this series. LBJ's been hammered alot worse with no calls.

 

[Highlander24]

may or may not have been a foul (I think it was, Rip was draped on him), but Wade was getting those calls last year.

Yep. Go back and watch the foul called against Nowitzki in game 5 last year, and then ask yourself if there should have been a foul called last night. I think it is pretty obvious. It seems like Lebron James cannot win. He makes a great pass, but is criticized when the guy misses the potential game-winning shot in game 1. Then in game 2, he actually takes the shot, gets hammered, and no foul is called. I am sure it will all be his fault somehow, too, though.

LBJ did exactly what he needed to do in Game 2 and got robbed. I criticized him for not taking the last shot in game 1 but he did what he needed to do in game 2 and the refs acted like wussies and swallowed their whistles as Chris Sheridan of espn said. Wade got so many close calls go towards his way last year, it was absurd, especially that one game in the Finals. Everyone keeps saying its playoff basketball, but what does one have to do to get a whistle blown for LBJ, ridiculous.

 

[matuski]

i can't remember.. are the people whining about this no call the same ones whining about the spurs previously?

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

i can't remember.. are the people whining about this no call the same ones whining about the spurs previously?

I don't believe so. Most of the people upset about the Spurs aren't watching now because their team is out.

 

[igbomb]

and people wondered why James didn't take the shot in Game 1. Hamilton is all over James and there's no call. Even after Hughes's shot you can see a Piston practically giving James a bear hug so that he can't get the rebound.

And yet Wallace takes a terrible shot and flops to the floor and gets a foul call. I rewound it and watched it in slow motion and couldn't even see a Cav player touch him. Then two possessions later he blatantly shoves Varajao with no call. Yes Varajao is a flopper, but that was a pretty obvious shove by Wallace.

The only thing that I can fault James for, is that instead of driving down low then posting with his back to the basket, he should have just driven and dunked it. Although the Pistons are masters of sliding under guys and getting charge calls so even that probably wouldn't have worked.

Like Rasheed gets any benefit from the refs.

The call at the end was very borderline and greg anthony, dee brown, barkely, kenny smith and magic plus golic this morning all said no foul was the right call, so im not sure what your seeing

I think that this picture is pretty clear. Hamilton clearly has his body into James and his arm is definitely clipping his elbow. No question that it's a foul.

Looking like Rip is standing his group and James is initiating the contact to me. Rips arm is straight in the air. actually looks like rasheed is pushing Rip into LBJ alittle

This is funny. Lebron clears Rip's arm out of the way so he can drive, then initiates all contact on the play, and everyone cries that he didn't get the call. What's the defender supposed to do, move out of the way so he can drive to the hoop? Rip played as solid of defense as you can play in a physical game. All he did was beat Lebron to the spot and hold the arms up. Nothing wrong with that play at all. Everyone is so used to the 'superstars' getting a call every time they drive that it's a crime when they don't.

 

[PadresLakers]

At least Lebron learned one basketball move from Kobe...

NBA hits LeBron with flagrant foulLate call lets Cavs star avoid ejection in Game 1

By Brian Windhorst and George M. Thomas

Beacon Journal sportswriters

AUBURN HILLS, MICH. - Forget about all the focus on LeBron James and his decision to pass at the end of Game 1. It turns out that the Cavaliers were fortunate that he was even playing in the fourth quarter. According to the rules, James should've been ejected late in the third quarter.

The NBA made no official announcement, but a league official confirmed Thursday that after a video review, NBA Senior Vice President Stu Jackson charged James with a flagrant foul-penalty 2 on a play with 1:20 left in the third quarter Monday night. Had it been called at the time, James would have been ejected.

There was no fine announced, but the usual for flagrant-2 is $5,000. Jackson could've suspended James for Game 2, but decided against it.

As James was following through on a jump shot, he elbowed Detroit Pistons center Chris Webber in the head with his right arm. Webber crashed to the floor. There was no foul called by the three game officials.

The maneuver was almost exactly the same as the two elbows Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant was suspended for during the season. As Bryant was falling after releasing jump shots on both occasions, he swiped at Manu Ginobili of the San Antonio Spurs and Marko Jaric of the Minnesota Timberwolves. He was suspended after each, with the NBA calling it ``an unnatural basketball act.''

Webber said he didn't feel James intended to hurt him on the play.

``I had jumped up there with him, and we made contact,'' Webber said before Game 2. ``I didn't think he did it on purpose.''

Though there was some chatter about the play on Internet sites and a clip was posted on YouTube, there was almost no media scrutiny of the play. Instead, all were reviewing James' decision to pass to Donyell Marshall with five seconds left.

Had the clip been replayed as often as Bryant's elbows, especially the one against Jaric after his first suspension, the NBA might have felt pressure to issue the same penalty.

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/17276170.htm

 

[No. 16]

I didn't watch the game last night, so I haven't been able to comment. However, I finally saw the last few moments of the game and let me say this..... LBJ is still not clutch and Rip played great D.

During the final possessions LBJ drove and kicked it out and his teammates did nothing. Are these the same teammates that everyone was so willing to trust at the end of Game 1?

Then LBJ begins to force things and throws away a possesion. So let me get this straight.... prior to the final play the LBJ and the Cavs had so many chances to win the game, they couldn't get it done.

Now it comes down to the final play... let's see what LBJ does. I'll like the mindset LBJ had, but you know what? Rip just played excellent position D. You can't call a foul to decide the game when a player does a spin move and is still 10 feet away fom the basket at the end of the spin move and is forced to throw up a crappy shot.

LBJ had the right idea... but he didn't earn the call. If he was able to get deeper in the lane, into the no-charge circle. Then I'd bet the refs change their call to a foul. However, as you can see... Rip stays in front of LBJ, he spins too far away from the basket, and has no choice but to throw up a crappy shot instead of getting called for a travel.

You gotta earn it LBJ. Right mentality... still can't follow through.

 

[The Goat]

I didn't watch the game last night, so I haven't been able to comment. However, I finally saw the last few moments of the game and let me say this..... LBJ is still not clutch and Rip played great D.During the final possessions LBJ drove and kicked it out and his teammates did nothing. Are these the same teammates that everyone was so willing to trust at the end of Game 1? Then LBJ begins to force things and throws away a possesion. So let me get this straight.... prior to the final play the LBJ and the Cavs had so many chances to win the game, they couldn't get it done.Now it comes down to the final play... let's see what LBJ does. I'll like the mindset LBJ had, but you know what? Rip just played excellent position D. You can't call a foul to decide the game when a player does a spin move and is still 10 feet away fom the basket at the end of the spin move and is forced to throw up a crappy shot. LBJ had the right idea... but he didn't earn the call. If he was able to get deeper in the lane, into the no-charge circle. Then I'd bet the refs change their call to a foul. However, as you can see... Rip stays in front of LBJ, he spins too far away from the basket, and has no choice but to throw up a crappy shot instead of getting called for a travel. You gotta earn it LBJ. Right mentality... still can't follow through.

I await your analysis of today's game and how it further exemplifies LeBron's lack of character, heart, and clutch performance.ETA: Hey...did he follow through today?

 

[Capella]

looked clutch to me :(

 

[No. 16]

Didn't see the game. but it sure looks like he responded. We'll see how clutch he is when they're on the brink of elimination.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I didn't watch the game last night,

Didn't see the game.

So, in other words, despite not watching playoff games that Lebron James is playing in, you still think you are qualified to talk #### about how clutch he supposedly is or isn't? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

 

[No. 16]

I didn't watch the game last night,

Didn't see the game.

So, in other words, despite not watching playoff games that Lebron James is playing in, you still think you are qualified to talk #### about how clutch he supposedly is or isn't? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

I've seen enough of his past games to know. On the 25th, I didn't watch the whole game but I saw the highlights of the final possessions. When determining clutchness... that's all I need to see.

 

[Das Boot]

I saw the highlights of the final possessions. When determining clutchness... that's all I need to see.

"determining clutchness"

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

I saw the highlights of the final possessions. When determining clutchness... that's all I need to see.

"determining clutchness"

I'm going to form a band, and that will be our first album.

 

[phrozen]

I saw the highlights of the final possessions. When determining clutchness... that's all I need to see.

"determining clutchness"

Lebron exhibited clutchness during the 4th quarter tonight

 

[Ghost Rider]

Lebron had a lot of clutchness during the 4th quarter tonight

 

[top dog]

So is hitting two free throws that made it a 2 possesion game in the closing moments of a almost do or die type game for the Cavs considered "clutchness"? Just wondering...

 

[Dought Man]

No 16 should have made this thread "Steve Nash wont ever win a championship". Would have been a lot more debatable.

Bron Bron is knockin.. it wont be this year.. but he will get a championship, come hell or high water.

Big free throws tonight with Rip Hamilton in his ear... looked pretty CLUTCH to me...

 

[GiantsRule]

To reiterate what was said several pages ago:

LeBron will win a championship before KobMe wins one without Shaq.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Bron Bron is knockin.. it wont be this year.. but he will get a championship, come hell or high water.

That has a lot more to do with the Cavs front office than LeBron.To say that LeBron is somehow incapable of winning a championship is silly, but it all depends on what surrounds him. I doubt that even Jordan could lead Hughes, Pavlovic, Ilgauskas and Gooden to a title. If LeBron does that, he should be considered the messiah of basketball. Realistically, it's going to take a better team for him to win it all.

 

[Britney Spears]

Bron Bron is knockin.. it wont be this year.. but he will get a championship, come hell or high water.

That has a lot more to do with the Cavs front office than LeBron.To say that LeBron is somehow incapable of winning a championship is silly, but it all depends on what surrounds him. I doubt that even Jordan could lead Hughes, Pavlovic, Ilgauskas and Gooden to a title. If LeBron does that, he should be considered the messiah of basketball. Realistically, it's going to take a better team for him to win it all.

Good posting!

 

[rgabbard]

This thread is pathetic. I don't see how anyone can say that the greatest talent to ever step on the court will never win a championship. He will win no less than 5 with a handful of MVP's before his career ends provided it isn't shortened by injury.

While Lebron has freakish talent at his young age...I think 5 is going a little overboard. Getting a championship takes a team effort and while the Cavs are improving rapidly, their current roster and cap situation isn't exactly built for winning multiple championships the near future. Granted, James may not be a Cav forever, but if he stays in Cleveland for the next 3-5 yrs, he might be fighting a harder battle than he is now.They'll have some key decisions to make the next couple of years when their core younger players become free agents. PF Anderson Varejao is a FA after this season. Sasha Pavlovic and Daniel Gibson are free agents after the 2007-2008 season.

Since most of our $$$ is locked up in our older vets, it could be hard for GM Danny Ferry to keep all 3 young players. Big Z is 31 and aging fast. He's on the books till 2009-2010 season (10.1 mil, 10.8, and 11.5). Next, factor in Larry Hughes who has had a rough go of it since becoming a Cav. Injuries and poor shooting have plagued him ever since his arrival. On top of that, he comes with a cap hit of 12.0, 12.8, and 13.6 million for the next 3 upcoming seasons.

I'm hoping the Cavs can some how keep all 3 young guys, but Ferry's gonna have to do some serious cap crunching and/or trades to make that happen.

 

[ELM]

No 16 should have made this thread "Steve Nash wont ever win a championship". Would have been a lot more debatable.Bron Bron is knockin.. it wont be this year.. but he will get a championship, come hell or high water. Big free throws tonight with Rip Hamilton in his ear... looked pretty CLUTCH to me...

funny to me still how the last two MVPs used to be on the same team and they were closer to winning the stanley cup than the NBA finals.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

This thread is pathetic. I don't see how anyone can say that the greatest talent to ever step on the court will never win a championship. He will win no less than 5 with a handful of MVP's before his career ends provided it isn't shortened by injury.

If Lbron doesn't win one it won't be because he's not one of the best to ever play in the NBA, it will be because he has no help.Over/Under on LeBron title wins = 3

 

[No. 16]

Today was clutchness, but let's see him do it on the road.

 

[popeye]

Today was clutchness, but let's see him do it on the road.

Road Clutchness

 

[matuski]

This thread is pathetic. I don't see how anyone can say that the greatest talent to ever step on the court will never win a championship. He will win no less than 5 with a handful of MVP's before his career ends provided it isn't shortened by injury.

If Lbron doesn't win one it won't be because he's not one of the best to ever play in the NBA, it will be because he has no help.Over/Under on LeBron title wins = 3

what has he done to be labelled one of the best ever?lets hold off on that label until an olympic bronze medal is no longer his greatest accomplishment.

 

[wadegarrett]

 

[Bobcat10]

Today was clutchness, but let's see him do it on the road.

It's always something...

 

[phrozen]

Today was clutchness, but let's see him do it on the road.

Road Clutchness

 

[Capella]

Today was clutchness, but let's see him do it on the road.

you should just stop posting.

 

[jafo]

James Leads Cavaliers Past Pistons to Tie NBA Eastern Finals By Bob BenschMay 30 (Bloomberg) -- LeBron James scored 13 of his 25 points in the fourth quarter as the Cleveland Cavaliers beat the Detroit Pistons 91-87 last night to tie the National Basketball Association's Eastern Conference finals at two games each.

 

[No. 16]

Today was clutchness, but let's see him do it on the road.

you should just stop posting.

Why?There's pressure... then THERE'S PRESSURE.Doing it at home with the lead in a playoff game ranks about a 6 on 1-10 clutchness scale.When he does it on the road, with the Cavs behind... then that's 9-10 on the clutchness scale.Before yeterday LBJ was a 3 on the Clutchness Scale... let's see he if ever improves.

 

[flapgreen]

Today was clutchness, but let's see him do it on the road.

you should just stop posting.

This is pathetic

 

[adonis]

Today was clutchness, but let's see him do it on the road.

you should just stop posting.

Why?There's pressure... then THERE'S PRESSURE.Doing it at home with the lead in a playoff game ranks about a 6 on 1-10 clutchness scale.When he does it on the road, with the Cavs behind... then that's 9-10 on the clutchness scale.Before yeterday LBJ was a 3 on the Clutchness Scale... let's see he if ever improves.

I haven't even been following this much, but this is ridiculous.Dude comes through with a clutch game and you start talking about a clutch scale and saying, "Yeah BUT let's see hin do it so and so, lets see him do it down 39 points with 1 minute left, lets see him do it when he's sick in the finals with a broken pinky and a sprained right ankle, ..."Ridiculous. LJ showed that he can be a clutch player, and you're too caught up in your argument to see that.

 

[Capella]

Today was clutchness, but let's see him do it on the road.

you should just stop posting.

Why?There's pressure... then THERE'S PRESSURE.Doing it at home with the lead in a playoff game ranks about a 6 on 1-10 clutchness scale.When he does it on the road, with the Cavs behind... then that's 9-10 on the clutchness scale.Before yeterday LBJ was a 3 on the Clutchness Scale... let's see he if ever improves.

like I said, stop posting.

 

[TLEF316]

anyone can be clutch on a tuesday. Thursday "clutchness" is what its all about, especially in a leap year with a full moon and high barometric pressure

 

[wadegarrett]

Today was clutchness, but let's see him do it on the road.

you should just stop posting.

Why?There's pressure... then THERE'S PRESSURE.Doing it at home with the lead in a playoff game ranks about a 6 on 1-10 clutchness scale.When he does it on the road, with the Cavs behind... then that's 9-10 on the clutchness scale.Before yeterday LBJ was a 3 on the Clutchness Scale... let's see he if ever improves.

 

[Synthesizer]

This is just sad. I can't believe that I wasted time arguing in this thread.

 

[No. 16]

Today was clutchness, but let's see him do it on the road.

you should just stop posting.

Why?There's pressure... then THERE'S PRESSURE.Doing it at home with the lead in a playoff game ranks about a 6 on 1-10 clutchness scale.When he does it on the road, with the Cavs behind... then that's 9-10 on the clutchness scale.Before yeterday LBJ was a 3 on the Clutchness Scale... let's see he if ever improves.

I haven't even been following this much, but this is ridiculous.Dude comes through with a clutch game and you start talking about a clutch scale and saying, "Yeah BUT let's see hin do it so and so, lets see him do it down 39 points with 1 minute left, lets see him do it when he's sick in the finals with a broken pinky and a sprained right ankle, ..."Ridiculous. LJ showed that he can be a clutch player, and you're too caught up in your argument to see that.

So you guys are saying their is only one degree to a clutch situation? That one is not harder than another? 1st time the guy has showed up at the end of the game. There's a difference in trying to seal a win and steal a win.LBJ sealed it last night, now lets see if he can steal a win.

 

[sho nuff]

Today was clutchness, but let's see him do it on the road.

It's always something...

Reminds me of the Peyton Manning detractors.He could not win the big game.He could not win the big game on the road.He could not win a Super Bowl.Now what?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

http://www.82games.com/0607/playoffs/playoffs.htm

Roland Rating Leaders (Min 50% of Team Minutes)

James CLE +17.6

Billups DET +15.2

Bryant LAL +14.6

Davis GSW +12.4

Daniels WAS +11.3

Milicic ORL +11.1

Stoudemire PHO +10.5

Prince DET +10.3

Kidd NJN +10.1

Duncan SAS +10.0

Gordon CHI +9.9

Nash PHO +9.7

Last Update: games played through 5/20

some good info here too:

http://www.82games.com/0607/06CLE9E.HTM

 

[Dought Man]

This thread makes the baby jesus cry....

Awful.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Today was clutchness, but let's see him do it on the road.

you should just stop posting.

Why?There's pressure... then THERE'S PRESSURE.

Doing it at home with the lead in a playoff game ranks about a 6 on 1-10 clutchness scale.

When he does it on the road, with the Cavs behind... then that's 9-10 on the clutchness scale.

Before yeterday LBJ was a 3 on the Clutchness Scale... let's see he if ever improves.

I haven't even been following this much, but this is ridiculous.

Dude comes through with a clutch game and you start talking about a clutch scale and saying, "Yeah BUT let's see hin do it so and so, lets see him do it down 39 points with 1 minute left, lets see him do it when he's sick in the finals with a broken pinky and a sprained right ankle, ..."

Ridiculous. LJ showed that he can be a clutch player, and you're too caught up in your argument to see that.

So you guys are saying their is only one degree to a clutch situation? That one is not harder than another? 1st time the guy has showed up at the end of the game. There's a difference in trying to seal a win and steal a win.LBJ sealed it last night, now lets see if he can steal a win.

How soon you forget...

WASHINGTON (AP) -- LeBron James drove around Antonio Daniels, collided with Michael Ruffin and banked in a 4-footer on the way down with 5.7 seconds left.

Chalk up another milestone for the emerging legend: He made his first game-winning shot in the playoffs.

James scored a franchise playoff-record 41 points Friday night, including two tough shots in the paint in the final minute. In a thrilling one-on-one fourth-quarter duel between two young stars, James had the final say over Gilbert Arenas in the Cleveland Cavaliers' 97-96 victory over the Washington Wizards.

I highlighted a few things for you....

 

[PsychoMan]

No. 16 - were you a manning hater before he won the superbowl? were you one of the ones saying "he can't win the big game?"

 

[Chunky Soup]

LBJ sealed it last night, now lets see if he can steal a win.

What happened this series:First the debatable:-G1 we saw him "pass up the game winning shot", when really, under pressure and a guy in his face, he found a wide open man for a 3-pointer. -G2 he decided he wasn't going to trust the poor talent around his team and take his own shot. He was raped going for a shot, and there's no question about it.Now let's go onto what is not debatable. A 22 year old MVP candidate taking the games into his hands and winning:-G3: 12 points in the fourth quarter including a 3-pointer with 2:34 left and a 16-foot jumper in the last 23 seconds. From ESPN recap: "That sealed the deal," Gooden said about the 3-pointer. Lebron finished with 32 pts / 9 reb / 9 ###. and played 46 minutes.-G4 let's read ESPN to see what happened:Clutch:

James, criticized for his fourth-quarter failures in Games 1 and 2 at Detroit, had a virtuoso-like performance in the final 12 minutes. He went 4-of-6 from the field, 5-of-5 from the line and added four rebounds and three assists.

Leadership and the want to have the ball at the end:

"I told my teammates, 'Get me to the fourth and it's close, and I'll try my best to win," James said.

More clutch:

James was fouled, and Cleveland's superstar -- whose poor free-throw shooting has been one of his only flaws -- calmly knocked down both foul shots to make it 91-87 with four seconds remaining.

He finished wtih 25 pts / 7 reb / 11 ###. and played 44 minutes.And, in G3 and G4, because they didn't come from behind you don't give him the respect? Because his team was in the position to win, and wasn't able to steal a win, you don't give him credit? Even though he took the team on his shoulders to close out the 4th quarter?The Pistons are a model of consistency in the NBA these days and have gone to the East Championship series 4 years running. They are an incredible team. They have great talent and great chemistry. They were favored by a good amount in every series so far, including this one. And what did Lebron and co. do? They lost by a combined 6 points in DET and won by a combined 10 points in Cleveland. On top of this: If the Donyell Marshall hit the wide-open shot in G1, or if Lebron wasn't obscenely fouled in G2, the Cavs could have potentially had this entire series WON. D-O-N-E. And that would be almost entirely because of Lebron nad his ability to play games tough and finish them. I guess two fluke events that shouldn't have really happened makes Lebron look bad to you.. This is laughable. I don't know what he needs to do to earn your respect but he was incredible the last two nights including last night in the final minutes. I would certainly call that clutch.

 

[Synthesizer]

The Pistons are a model of consistency in the NBA these days and have gone to the East Championship series 4 5 years running.

Edit.

 

[The Goat]

No. 16 - were you a manning hater before he won the superbowl? were you one of the ones saying "he can't win the big game?"

From the first post...

Put this down in history.

LBJ will never win an NBA championship. He doesnt have the killer instinct or clutch play to become the best. He'll never be Magic and no way will he ever be Jordan.

I still think he'll become one of the best players in the NBA, but he'll be just like Peyton Manning. All stats and no rings.

If it takes a supposed franchise savior 3 NBA season before he hits a game winner... there's a problem. What's even worse is he has been considered "the man" practially since he put on a Cavs jersey.

Wade amd Melo on the other hand will win their fair share of championships.

 

[PsychoMan]

No. 16 - were you a manning hater before he won the superbowl? were you one of the ones saying "he can't win the big game?"

From the first post...

Put this down in history.

LBJ will never win an NBA championship. He doesnt have the killer instinct or clutch play to become the best. He'll never be Magic and no way will he ever be Jordan.

I still think he'll become one of the best players in the NBA, but he'll be just like Peyton Manning. All stats and no rings.

If it takes a supposed franchise savior 3 NBA season before he hits a game winner... there's a problem. What's even worse is he has been considered "the man" practially since he put on a Cavs jersey.

Wade amd Melo on the other hand will win their fair share of championships.

my bad ... somehow missed that one. anyway, i'm sure he's already been railed on for that comment. i always thought the "he can't win the big game" comment was complete BS. this lebron thing sounds pretty similar to me.

 

[The Goat]

No. 16 - were you a manning hater before he won the superbowl? were you one of the ones saying "he can't win the big game?"

From the first post...

Put this down in history.

LBJ will never win an NBA championship. He doesnt have the killer instinct or clutch play to become the best. He'll never be Magic and no way will he ever be Jordan.

I still think he'll become one of the best players in the NBA, but he'll be just like Peyton Manning. All stats and no rings.

If it takes a supposed franchise savior 3 NBA season before he hits a game winner... there's a problem. What's even worse is he has been considered "the man" practially since he put on a Cavs jersey.

Wade amd Melo on the other hand will win their fair share of championships.

my bad ... somehow missed that one. anyway, i'm sure he's already been railed on for that comment. i always thought the "he can't win the big game" comment was complete BS. this lebron thing sounds pretty similar to me.

I personally thought most ridiculous thing in the post was the unfavorable comparison to Carmelo Anthony. There's a "franchise savior" for you. What's he done, led Denver to a 3-16 mark in four first-round playoff exits?