LeGarrette Blount named #1 back for preseason opener (1 Viewer)

[Stinkin Ref]

werdnoyek....your first comment ("coincidence")indicated that the reason for the lack of running game...attempts/yards was because of Blount.....

it was explained to you (very well I might add) by Grahamburn that there were more factors to it than just Blount.....

you then dismissed this by pulling out the "sugar coat" thing...and then trying to back track and say the lack of a "run game"....not just Blount...had something to do with their failures...

which is it....just Blount....?...or Blount and some other factors...

nobody is pounding their chest and saying Blount did not have a part in what happened there last year....he most certainly did....

what some are simply trying to say is that you can't deny Blount has NFL talent...this league is based on talent and opportunity....Blount has the talent and to a certian extent, even though he may not have completely taken advnatge of the opportunity before, it appears that he may now realize he does have an opportunity....to simply dismiss his talent and think that TB is just going to hand Martin a full workload might not be the best fantasy decision....

there are teams that would love to have Blount on their roster.....I think TB is one of them....honestly it couldn't get much better for them right now....they bring in a stud rook....it motivates a very talented NFL back who is already on their roster....

Blount will cut into Martin's numbers.....how much is yet to be seen....but there is a possibility that at some point we could actually be talking about Martin cutting into Blount's numbers instead....

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

It's harder than you think to bench a guy who can average 5.0 ypc in the NFL.

Blount may have done some immature things pre-2012, but even when he was undisciplined he was a dangerous player on the field. Unless Martin is truly a stud, I doubt he outperforms Blount this year.

You're on.this is why they drafted Martin in the 1st:

2011 - 184att 781yds 4.2avg 5td

Also Blount is a bad receiver. Martin is a stud in this offense.

Help me with the bolded...what offense is this? Who is running it and what can we expect to see? I really don't know...

ray rice at rutgers2006 NCAA 335 carries(1st)

2007 NCAA 380 (2nd)

that's a college season

 

[Scooby1974]

What makes Martin the no-brainer over blount in fantasy is that hes going to catch a lot more balls.

Given their current ADPs (RB20 for Martin vs RB43 for Blount) Blount is the no-brainer and Martin is a guy to avoid.

Not if Martin's floor is RB15...

I see someone's been sipping the rookie kool aid pretty heavily. So, a floor of RB15 on a team that was last in rushing attempts and 30th in yards last year? That right?

Correct. And they brought in a ground and pound coach who hand picked his RB who can play all 3 downs.

Put Martin on that train wreck of a team in 2011 and I HIGHLY DOUBT you see much difference in their overall record. With the addition of Nicks, VJax, and a coach that should have command of the locker room...much SHOULD change. Much will also include Blount, no what extent, we'll have to wait and find out.

 

[werdnoynek]

For a guy who didn't get owned, you're backpedaling quite a bit. We've gone from Blount being a wasted pick as RB43 and being responsible for the Bucs collapse, to Brandon Jacobs. At this rate you'll be taking Blount in the early third again by sometime this evening.

i'm not backpeddling. in the 10th round, he is a waste of a pick imo. jacobs is a waste of a pick there too. i said i'd much rather have high upside guys that could successfully take over on all three downs if someone goes down over someone who was already "the guy" and performed poorly. blount had his chance and flopped, the team has shown that they're looking to move on by grabbing a better, more complete back in the first round of the draft. if you want to hold on hope that blount somehow out performs his draft position after failing to do so last season be my guest.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

For a guy who didn't get owned, you're backpedaling quite a bit. We've gone from Blount being a wasted pick as RB43 and being responsible for the Bucs collapse, to Brandon Jacobs. At this rate you'll be taking Blount in the early third again by sometime this evening.

i'm not backpeddling. in the 10th round, he is a waste of a pick imo. jacobs is a waste of a pick there too. i said i'd much rather have high upside guys that could successfully take over on all three downs if someone goes down over someone who was already "the guy" and performed poorly.

Keep digging. Jacobs was a fantasy RB2 twice, a flex guy once, and a RB1 once during his run in the Giants RBBC, despite never being a "high upside three down" guy. Unless you're in a four team league, that would be outstanding out of a 10th round pick. Probably league-winning value the year he finished RB12 if anyone got him in the 10th.And last I checked, 4.6 career YPC isn't remotely close to flopping in the NFL.

 

[Scooby1974]

For a guy who didn't get owned, you're backpedaling quite a bit. We've gone from Blount being a wasted pick as RB43 and being responsible for the Bucs collapse, to Brandon Jacobs. At this rate you'll be taking Blount in the early third again by sometime this evening.

i'm not backpeddling. in the 10th round, he is a waste of a pick imo. jacobs is a waste of a pick there too. i said i'd much rather have high upside guys that could successfully take over on all three downs if someone goes down over someone who was already "the guy" and performed poorly. blount had his chance and flopped, the team has shown that they're looking to move on by grabbing a better, more complete back in the first round of the draft. if you want to hold on hope that blount somehow out performs his draft position after failing to do so last season be my guest.

If you aren't back peddling then you are unclear to everyone in here but yourself. Depending upon league rules, Jacobs was quite valuable as a RB2 by pounding TD's if you want to go that route. Tiki Barber had plenty of value in spite of Jacobs taking goal line work. Blount did NOT perform poorly 2 years ago, he did VERY WELL in spite of many things stacked against him. Contrary to to 2010, EVERYONE performed poorly (although Blount did quite well until injury and the wheels falling off) in 2011 in Tampa. It was the imperfect storm of a team.

 

[Scooby1974]

For a guy who didn't get owned, you're backpedaling quite a bit. We've gone from Blount being a wasted pick as RB43 and being responsible for the Bucs collapse, to Brandon Jacobs. At this rate you'll be taking Blount in the early third again by sometime this evening.

i'm not backpeddling. in the 10th round, he is a waste of a pick imo. jacobs is a waste of a pick there too. i said i'd much rather have high upside guys that could successfully take over on all three downs if someone goes down over someone who was already "the guy" and performed poorly.

Keep digging. Jacobs was a fantasy RB2 twice, a flex guy once, and a RB1 once during his run in the Giants RBBC, despite never being a "high upside three down" guy. Unless you're in a four team league, that would be outstanding out of a 10th round pick. Probably league-winning value the year he finished RB12 if anyone got him in the 10th.And last I checked, 4.6 career YPC isn't remotely close to flopping in the NFL.

 

[werdnoynek]

For a guy who didn't get owned, you're backpedaling quite a bit. We've gone from Blount being a wasted pick as RB43 and being responsible for the Bucs collapse, to Brandon Jacobs. At this rate you'll be taking Blount in the early third again by sometime this evening.

i'm not backpeddling. in the 10th round, he is a waste of a pick imo. jacobs is a waste of a pick there too. i said i'd much rather have high upside guys that could successfully take over on all three downs if someone goes down over someone who was already "the guy" and performed poorly.

Keep digging. Jacobs was a fantasy RB2 twice, a flex guy once, and a RB1 once during his run in the Giants RBBC, despite never being a "high upside three down" guy. Unless you're in a four team league, that would be outstanding out of a 10th round pick. Probably league-winning value the year he finished RB12 if anyone got him in the 10th.And last I checked, 4.6 career YPC isn't remotely close to flopping in the NFL.

jacobs in 2012. 4.6 ypc doesn't mean a whole lot in fantasy terms. i'm trying to keep this as a fantasy discussion. he sure can play football but he's not worth all that much as a fantasy back imo.

 

[Scooby1974]

For a guy who didn't get owned, you're backpedaling quite a bit. We've gone from Blount being a wasted pick as RB43 and being responsible for the Bucs collapse, to Brandon Jacobs. At this rate you'll be taking Blount in the early third again by sometime this evening.

i'm not backpeddling. in the 10th round, he is a waste of a pick imo. jacobs is a waste of a pick there too. i said i'd much rather have high upside guys that could successfully take over on all three downs if someone goes down over someone who was already "the guy" and performed poorly.

Keep digging. Jacobs was a fantasy RB2 twice, a flex guy once, and a RB1 once during his run in the Giants RBBC, despite never being a "high upside three down" guy. Unless you're in a four team league, that would be outstanding out of a 10th round pick. Probably league-winning value the year he finished RB12 if anyone got him in the 10th.And last I checked, 4.6 career YPC isn't remotely close to flopping in the NFL.

jacobs in 2012. 4.6 ypc doesn't mean a whole lot in fantasy terms. i'm trying to keep this as a fantasy discussion. he sure can play football but he's not worth all that much as a fantasy back imo.

Dude must be drunk...

 

[werdnoynek]

For a guy who didn't get owned, you're backpedaling quite a bit. We've gone from Blount being a wasted pick as RB43 and being responsible for the Bucs collapse, to Brandon Jacobs. At this rate you'll be taking Blount in the early third again by sometime this evening.

i'm not backpeddling. in the 10th round, he is a waste of a pick imo. jacobs is a waste of a pick there too. i said i'd much rather have high upside guys that could successfully take over on all three downs if someone goes down over someone who was already "the guy" and performed poorly.

Keep digging. Jacobs was a fantasy RB2 twice, a flex guy once, and a RB1 once during his run in the Giants RBBC, despite never being a "high upside three down" guy. Unless you're in a four team league, that would be outstanding out of a 10th round pick. Probably league-winning value the year he finished RB12 if anyone got him in the 10th.And last I checked, 4.6 career YPC isn't remotely close to flopping in the NFL.

jacobs in 2012. 4.6 ypc doesn't mean a whole lot in fantasy terms. i'm trying to keep this as a fantasy discussion. he sure can play football but he's not worth all that much as a fantasy back imo.

Dude must be drunk...

draft blount and continue to be disappointed with his lousy production. i don't really care. i'm just saying it seems like people have high hopes for a guy who couldn't live up to expectations when he was supposed to be "the guy". sure, the big, straight line, 2 down backs are valueable for an NFL team... but for a fantasy team? i could think of many better options for the price. to me, right now, blount has as much value as brandon jacobs, and not jacobs in his prime playing the role of "thunder".

 

[Coeur de Lion]

For a guy who didn't get owned, you're backpedaling quite a bit. We've gone from Blount being a wasted pick as RB43 and being responsible for the Bucs collapse, to Brandon Jacobs. At this rate you'll be taking Blount in the early third again by sometime this evening.

i'm not backpeddling. in the 10th round, he is a waste of a pick imo. jacobs is a waste of a pick there too. i said i'd much rather have high upside guys that could successfully take over on all three downs if someone goes down over someone who was already "the guy" and performed poorly.

Keep digging. Jacobs was a fantasy RB2 twice, a flex guy once, and a RB1 once during his run in the Giants RBBC, despite never being a "high upside three down" guy. Unless you're in a four team league, that would be outstanding out of a 10th round pick. Probably league-winning value the year he finished RB12 if anyone got him in the 10th.And last I checked, 4.6 career YPC isn't remotely close to flopping in the NFL.

jacobs in 2012. 4.6 ypc doesn't mean a whole lot in fantasy terms. i'm trying to keep this as a fantasy discussion. he sure can play football but he's not worth all that much as a fantasy back imo.

Dude must be drunk...

Yeah, I'm done wasting time on him.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

It's harder than you think to bench a guy who can average 5.0 ypc in the NFL.

Blount may have done some immature things pre-2012, but even when he was undisciplined he was a dangerous player on the field. Unless Martin is truly a stud, I doubt he outperforms Blount this year.

You're on.this is why they drafted Martin in the 1st:

2011 - 184att 781yds 4.2avg 5td

Also Blount is a bad receiver. Martin is a stud in this offense.

Help me with the bolded...what offense is this? Who is running it and what can we expect to see? I really don't know...

Greg Schiano's - see Rutgers 05-07 specifically. Martin = Ray Rice. pound, pound, pound, big pass. VJax = Kenny Britt also.http://www.pewterrep...7750:&Itemid=15

BTW, I'm not anti-Blount in any way, I love watching him. But it doesn't take a genius to read the tea leaves of a newly hired coach trading back into the 1st round for a RB that is a clone of your greatest pupil. Martin was drafted to start from day 1 and be the centerpiece.

It's harder than you think to bench a guy who can average 5.0 ypc in the NFL.

Blount may have done some immature things pre-2012, but even when he was undisciplined he was a dangerous player on the field. Unless Martin is truly a stud, I doubt he outperforms Blount this year.

You're on.this is why they drafted Martin in the 1st:

2011 - 184att 781yds 4.2avg 5td

Also Blount is a bad receiver. Martin is a stud in this offense.

Help me with the bolded...what offense is this? Who is running it and what can we expect to see? I really don't know...

ray rice at rutgers2006 NCAA 335 carries(1st)

2007 NCAA 380 (2nd)

that's a college season

Thanks for the feedback, it's much appreciated.

 

[Scooby1974]

For a guy who didn't get owned, you're backpedaling quite a bit. We've gone from Blount being a wasted pick as RB43 and being responsible for the Bucs collapse, to Brandon Jacobs. At this rate you'll be taking Blount in the early third again by sometime this evening.

i'm not backpeddling. in the 10th round, he is a waste of a pick imo. jacobs is a waste of a pick there too. i said i'd much rather have high upside guys that could successfully take over on all three downs if someone goes down over someone who was already "the guy" and performed poorly.

Keep digging. Jacobs was a fantasy RB2 twice, a flex guy once, and a RB1 once during his run in the Giants RBBC, despite never being a "high upside three down" guy. Unless you're in a four team league, that would be outstanding out of a 10th round pick. Probably league-winning value the year he finished RB12 if anyone got him in the 10th.And last I checked, 4.6 career YPC isn't remotely close to flopping in the NFL.

jacobs in 2012. 4.6 ypc doesn't mean a whole lot in fantasy terms. i'm trying to keep this as a fantasy discussion. he sure can play football but he's not worth all that much as a fantasy back imo.

Dude must be drunk...

draft blount and continue to be disappointed with his lousy production. i don't really care. i'm just saying it seems like people have high hopes for a guy who couldn't live up to expectations when he was supposed to be "the guy". sure, the big, straight line, 2 down backs are valueable for an NFL team... but for a fantasy team? i could think of many better options for the price. to me, right now, blount has as much value as brandon jacobs, and not jacobs in his prime playing the role of "thunder".

You clearly aren't hearing what the rest of us are saying. Nobody has HIGH hopes that Blount is going to be a top 10 RB and keep Martin off the field. We are simply saying that with his skill set, he can carve out space in the Tampa lineup and be a RB2 with very good value if Tampa truly employs a run heavy offense like they say they are. Who else is going to get the other 250 carries after Martin gets his 350 (ala Ray Rice)? We just don't think collectively that last year is indicative of Blount's real effectiveness having played on a team that, as a whole, imploded and gave up altogether.

 

[werdnoynek]

i hear you loud and clear... blount was an RB3 when he was "the guy" last season... now they have a complete back who can actually catch the ball and pass protect and you think he'll be an RB2? Good luck with that.

 

[Grahamburn]

i hear you loud and clear... blount was an RB3 when he was "the guy" last season... now they have a complete back who can actually catch the ball and pass protect and you think he'll be an RB2? Good luck with that.

Do you have a projection for Blount?

 

[werdnoynek]

i hear you loud and clear... blount was an RB3 when he was "the guy" last season... now they have a complete back who can actually catch the ball and pass protect and you think he'll be an RB2? Good luck with that.

Do you have a projection for Blount?

I don't project players I have no desire to draft. He's undraftable to me at this point.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

For a guy who didn't get owned, you're backpedaling quite a bit. We've gone from Blount being a wasted pick as RB43 and being responsible for the Bucs collapse, to Brandon Jacobs. At this rate you'll be taking Blount in the early third again by sometime this evening.

i'm not backpeddling. in the 10th round, he is a waste of a pick imo. jacobs is a waste of a pick there too. i said i'd much rather have high upside guys that could successfully take over on all three downs if someone goes down over someone who was already "the guy" and performed poorly.

Keep digging. Jacobs was a fantasy RB2 twice, a flex guy once, and a RB1 once during his run in the Giants RBBC, despite never being a "high upside three down" guy. Unless you're in a four team league, that would be outstanding out of a 10th round pick. Probably league-winning value the year he finished RB12 if anyone got him in the 10th.And last I checked, 4.6 career YPC isn't remotely close to flopping in the NFL.

jacobs in 2012. 4.6 ypc doesn't mean a whole lot in fantasy terms. i'm trying to keep this as a fantasy discussion. he sure can play football but he's not worth all that much as a fantasy back imo.

Dude must be drunk...

draft blount and continue to be disappointed with his lousy production. i don't really care. i'm just saying it seems like people have high hopes for a guy who couldn't live up to expectations when he was supposed to be "the guy". sure, the big, straight line, 2 down backs are valueable for an NFL team... but for a fantasy team? i could think of many better options for the price. to me, right now, blount has as much value as brandon jacobs, and not jacobs in his prime playing the role of "thunder".

You clearly aren't hearing what the rest of us are saying. Nobody has HIGH hopes that Blount is going to be a top 10 RB and keep Martin off the field. We are simply saying that with his skill set, he can carve out space in the Tampa

lineup and be a RB2 with very good value if Tampa truly employs a run heavy offense like they say they are. Who else is going to get the other 250 carries after Martin gets his 350 (ala Ray Rice)? We just don't think collectively that last year is indicative of Blount's real effectiveness having played on a team that, as a whole, imploded and gave up

altogether.

To clarify, IMO the bolded is absurd. TB had 274 RB carries total last year. I'd personally take the under on 200 individual carries for Martin, Blount, or any other RB in pewter for the 2012 year. I like the change in direction and the personnel additions in Tampa, but improvement takes time and the Bucs are still a young team with a bad defense.

 

[jurb26]

i hear you loud and clear... blount was an RB3 when he was "the guy" last season... now they have a complete back who can actually catch the ball and pass protect and you think he'll be an RB2? Good luck with that.

Do you have a projection for Blount?

I don't project players I have no desire to draft. He's undraftable to me at this point.

 

[Scooby1974]

For a guy who didn't get owned, you're backpedaling quite a bit. We've gone from Blount being a wasted pick as RB43 and being responsible for the Bucs collapse, to Brandon Jacobs. At this rate you'll be taking Blount in the early third again by sometime this evening.

i'm not backpeddling. in the 10th round, he is a waste of a pick imo. jacobs is a waste of a pick there too. i said i'd much rather have high upside guys that could successfully take over on all three downs if someone goes down over someone who was already "the guy" and performed poorly.

Keep digging. Jacobs was a fantasy RB2 twice, a flex guy once, and a RB1 once during his run in the Giants RBBC, despite never being a "high upside three down" guy. Unless you're in a four team league, that would be outstanding out of a 10th round pick. Probably league-winning value the year he finished RB12 if anyone got him in the 10th.And last I checked, 4.6 career YPC isn't remotely close to flopping in the NFL.

jacobs in 2012. 4.6 ypc doesn't mean a whole lot in fantasy terms. i'm trying to keep this as a fantasy discussion. he sure can play football but he's not worth all that much as a fantasy back imo.

Dude must be drunk...

draft blount and continue to be disappointed with his lousy production. i don't really care. i'm just saying it seems like people have high hopes for a guy who couldn't live up to expectations when he was supposed to be "the guy". sure, the big, straight line, 2 down backs are valueable for an NFL team... but for a fantasy team? i could think of many better options for the price. to me, right now, blount has as much value as brandon jacobs, and not jacobs in his prime playing the role of "thunder".

You clearly aren't hearing what the rest of us are saying. Nobody has HIGH hopes that Blount is going to be a top 10 RB and keep Martin off the field. We are simply saying that with his skill set, he can carve out space in the Tampa

lineup and be a RB2 with very good value if Tampa truly employs a run heavy offense like they say they are. Who else is going to get the other 250 carries after Martin gets his 350 (ala Ray Rice)? We just don't think collectively that last year is indicative of Blount's real effectiveness having played on a team that, as a whole, imploded and gave up

altogether.

To clarify, IMO the bolded is absurd. TB had 274 RB carries total last year. I'd personally take the under on 200 individual carries for Martin, Blount, or any other RB in pewter for the 2012 year. I like the change in direction and the personnel additions in Tampa, but improvement takes time and the Bucs are still a young team with a bad defense.

Perhaps the sarcasm wasn't laid on thick enough...I don't think Martin will get 350 carries and turn into Ray Rice. Nor do I think Blount will get 250!

 

[Scooby1974]

i hear you loud and clear... blount was an RB3 when he was "the guy" last season... now they have a complete back who can actually catch the ball and pass protect and you think he'll be an RB2? Good luck with that.

You do realize that Running back isn't the only position that was upgraded, correct? Do you think that Nicks will help improve the offensive line play? Do you think Freeman losing 20 pounds and rededicating himself will have positive effects on the team? Do you think going from a head coach with zero influence to a new coach with a great track record of success might be able to turn the attitudes around on this Tampa team? Do you think adding an All-Pro in VJax will make any difference from last year? Every argument you make goes back to last year, yet last year was LAST YEAR. It was a train wreck in EVERY FACIT. The entire attitude and much of team has changed. Do you think Martin will be the only one to benefit from these changes? Could it be that these changes will make ALL the boats in the harbor rise?

 

[werdnoynek]

Do you have a projection for Blount?

I don't project players I have no desire to draft. He's undraftable to me at this point.

For your entertainment... rushing: 95/375 2TD's, receiving: 5/20 0TD - 6 fumbles and a new team next season to boot.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Let's get some air pressure back in here.

Can anyone post potential projections for the 2 backs? I feel strongly that Martin will get about 220-250 carries, another 30-45 receptions, somewhere in the 275+ touch range, maybe 6-8 TDs.

I also feel Tampa will run the ball very well with the addition of Carl Nicks inside, premier OL to add to an under performing unit that has talent, the Bucs are going to run and run well.

I think Blount will see a lot of duty in and around short yardage, goal line, and then probably split drives or every 3rd drive, he is best suited to take carries not receptions. Blount could easily see 175-200 touches and perhaps knock in 8-10 TD.

Where are people on this really? if you can't give an idea of what you feel the split or projections will be then why fight tooth and nail with others?

 

[werdnoynek]

Let's get some air pressure back in here. Can anyone post potential projections for the 2 backs? I feel strongly that Martin will get about 220-250 carries, another 30-45 receptions, somewhere in the 275+ touch range, maybe 6-8 TDs. I also feel Tampa will run the ball very well with the addition of Carl Nicks inside, premier OL to add to an under performing unit that has talent, the Bucs are going to run and run well. I think Blount will see a lot of duty in and around short yardage, goal line, and then probably split drives or every 3rd drive, he is best suited to take carries not receptions. Blount could easily see 175-200 touches and perhaps knock in 8-10 TD. Where are people on this really? if you can't give an idea of what you feel the split or projections will be then why fight tooth and nail with others?

for martin i see:rushing: 250/1175 10TD's receiving: 60/480 3TD's for blount i see:rushing: 95/375 2TD's, receiving: 5/20 0TD - 6 fumbles and a new team next season to booti think blount will be replaced mid season by michael smith who is much more talented than he will ever be.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Just my opinion on what drive charts might look like.

1st Q

Drive 1-Blount on 1st and 2nd down, Martin on 3rd

Drive 2-Martin most of the way, redzone Blount

Drive 3-Martin most of the way

2ndQ

Drive 1-Blount on 1st and 2nd down, Martin on 3rd....

I see Blount getting full drives but only on 1st and 2nd down unless 3rd down is short yardage, Martin will shuffle on and off the field. Martin will be a 3 down back on his drives. The bucs won't abuse him so I expect them to not run him into the ground. In games where they have leads, good dose of both guys.

Martin though could force more time if he comes out on fire. We have seen blount at his best, we don't know just yet what martin will do. This is going to be a very strong 1-2 punch at RB but I think martin will distance himself as the season plays along.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Let's get some air pressure back in here. Can anyone post potential projections for the 2 backs? I feel strongly that Martin will get about 220-250 carries, another 30-45 receptions, somewhere in the 275+ touch range, maybe 6-8 TDs. I also feel Tampa will run the ball very well with the addition of Carl Nicks inside, premier OL to add to an under performing unit that has talent, the Bucs are going to run and run well. I think Blount will see a lot of duty in and around short yardage, goal line, and then probably split drives or every 3rd drive, he is best suited to take carries not receptions. Blount could easily see 175-200 touches and perhaps knock in 8-10 TD. Where are people on this really? if you can't give an idea of what you feel the split or projections will be then why fight tooth and nail with others?

for martin i see:rushing: 250/1175 10TD's receiving: 60/480 3TD's for blount i see:rushing: 95/375 2TD's, receiving: 5/20 0TD - 6 fumbles and a new team next season to booti think blount will be replaced mid season by michael smith who is much more talented than he will ever be.

You are even higher on Martin than myself and I just took him in the 3rd of a redraft. I do not think Blount will be tossed completely aside, gut tells me maybe a 60/40 split for Martin, maybe more when you factor in the receptions.

 

[butcher boy]

Let's get some air pressure back in here. Can anyone post potential projections for the 2 backs? I feel strongly that Martin will get about 220-250 carries, another 30-45 receptions, somewhere in the 275+ touch range, maybe 6-8 TDs. I also feel Tampa will run the ball very well with the addition of Carl Nicks inside, premier OL to add to an under performing unit that has talent, the Bucs are going to run and run well. I think Blount will see a lot of duty in and around short yardage, goal line, and then probably split drives or every 3rd drive, he is best suited to take carries not receptions. Blount could easily see 175-200 touches and perhaps knock in 8-10 TD. Where are people on this really? if you can't give an idea of what you feel the split or projections will be then why fight tooth and nail with others?

Right now, I have them at Martin - 235/1095/6 47/403/2Blount - 145/689/4 10/80/0

 

[jurb26]

Let's get some air pressure back in here. Can anyone post potential projections for the 2 backs? I feel strongly that Martin will get about 220-250 carries, another 30-45 receptions, somewhere in the 275+ touch range, maybe 6-8 TDs. I also feel Tampa will run the ball very well with the addition of Carl Nicks inside, premier OL to add to an under performing unit that has talent, the Bucs are going to run and run well. I think Blount will see a lot of duty in and around short yardage, goal line, and then probably split drives or every 3rd drive, he is best suited to take carries not receptions. Blount could easily see 175-200 touches and perhaps knock in 8-10 TD. Where are people on this really? if you can't give an idea of what you feel the split or projections will be then why fight tooth and nail with others?

for martin i see:rushing: 250/1175 10TD's receiving: 60/480 3TD's for blount i see:rushing: 95/375 2TD's, receiving: 5/20 0TD - 6 fumbles and a new team next season to boot

I would love it if this ended up being the case. I'm not as optimistic on Martin though. I'd project;Martin, 250 carries, 1195 yds, 8 TDs, 45 rec, 390 yds, 1 TDBlount, 140 carries, 640 yds, 4 TDs, 10 rec, 90 yds

 

[werdnoynek]

Let's get some air pressure back in here. Can anyone post potential projections for the 2 backs? I feel strongly that Martin will get about 220-250 carries, another 30-45 receptions, somewhere in the 275+ touch range, maybe 6-8 TDs. I also feel Tampa will run the ball very well with the addition of Carl Nicks inside, premier OL to add to an under performing unit that has talent, the Bucs are going to run and run well. I think Blount will see a lot of duty in and around short yardage, goal line, and then probably split drives or every 3rd drive, he is best suited to take carries not receptions. Blount could easily see 175-200 touches and perhaps knock in 8-10 TD. Where are people on this really? if you can't give an idea of what you feel the split or projections will be then why fight tooth and nail with others?

for martin i see:rushing: 250/1175 10TD's receiving: 60/480 3TD's for blount i see:rushing: 95/375 2TD's, receiving: 5/20 0TD - 6 fumbles and a new team next season to booti think blount will be replaced mid season by michael smith who is much more talented than he will ever be.

You are even higher on Martin than myself and I just took him in the 3rd of a redraft. I do not think Blount will be tossed completely aside, gut tells me maybe a 60/40 split for Martin, maybe more when you factor in the receptions.

I'm going to go broken record here, but again... blount received only half the carries last season when he was "the guy". in 2012, you're saying he's going to get 40% of the carries. to me, the front office made a statement when they drafted a complete back in the first round. i agree blount will get a chance, i think he comes up short again and the team says so long. for someone who would like to bring stats into the conversation it seems you're ingoring the stats that have already happened.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Do any of you guys even bother to look at the team total aspect on your projections? I kind of doubt that the Bucs pull a worst to first in rushing offense this year, which is close to what you guys seem to think is likely. 400 carries between the two guys? Come on...

A very healthy 30% increase in RB carries gets Tampa to 364 in 2012. 50+ to the various RB3/4 and FBs leaves roughly 310 for Martin / Blount. If you like Martin a ton 60/40 is a reasonable split in his favor. If you like Blount, 60/40 the other way. So 125 - 185 for either guy is realistic. My personal guess is split em right down the middle.

It's also pretty absurd to project 60 catches for any rookie RB, but that's a whole different issue.

 

[butcher boy]

Do any of you guys even bother to look at the team total aspect on your projections? I kind of doubt that the Bucs pull a worst to first in rushing offense this year, which is close to what you guys seem to think is likely. 400 carries between the two guys? Come on...A very healthy 30% increase in RB carries gets Tampa to 364 in 2012. 50+ to the various RB3/4 and FBs leaves roughly 310 for Martin / Blount. If you like Martin a ton 60/40 is a reasonable split in his favor. If you like Blount, 60/40 the other way. So 125 - 185 for either guy is realistic. My personal guess is split em right down the middle.It's also pretty absurd to project 60 catches for any rookie RB, but that's a whole different issue.

I've got them at about 380 total carries. It might be high, but considering Schiano's style, I find it very possible. This is going to be a different looking team from last year.

 

[cvnpoka]

Let's get some air pressure back in here. Can anyone post potential projections for the 2 backs? I feel strongly that Martin will get about 220-250 carries, another 30-45 receptions, somewhere in the 275+ touch range, maybe 6-8 TDs. I also feel Tampa will run the ball very well with the addition of Carl Nicks inside, premier OL to add to an under performing unit that has talent, the Bucs are going to run and run well. I think Blount will see a lot of duty in and around short yardage, goal line, and then probably split drives or every 3rd drive, he is best suited to take carries not receptions. Blount could easily see 175-200 touches and perhaps knock in 8-10 TD. Where are people on this really? if you can't give an idea of what you feel the split or projections will be then why fight tooth and nail with others?

i must have missed when blount became a good short yardage back. the coaching staff preferred earnest graham bc blount was so bad in those spots. they were very public about his struggles and their lack of confidence in his abilities there even as he was tearing up the rest of the field as a rook. so im just looking for any sort of evidence that he improved at short yardage and is in line for that work.http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/content/bucs-looking-options-other-blount-short-yardagehttp://gridironfans.com/forums/latest-nfl-headlines/147538-buccaneers-officially-demote-rb-legarrette-blount-short.html

 

[jurb26]

Do any of you guys even bother to look at the team total aspect on your projections? I kind of doubt that the Bucs pull a worst to first in rushing offense this year, which is close to what you guys seem to think is likely. 400 carries between the two guys? Come on...A very healthy 30% increase in RB carries gets Tampa to 364 in 2012. 50+ to the various RB3/4 and FBs leaves roughly 310 for Martin / Blount. If you like Martin a ton 60/40 is a reasonable split in his favor. If you like Blount, 60/40 the other way. So 125 - 185 for either guy is realistic. My personal guess is split em right down the middle.It's also pretty absurd to project 60 catches for any rookie RB, but that's a whole different issue.

I've got them at about 380 total carries. It might be high, but considering Schiano's style, I find it very possible. This is going to be a different looking team from last year.

My thoughts exactly. TB will be a whole new team on offense. Schiano, Nicks, Martin & Blount = run focused team. Maybe I'll be wrong but I really think this team will run far more and far more effectively.

 

[Dippa]

Let's get some air pressure back in here. Can anyone post potential projections for the 2 backs? I feel strongly that Martin will get about 220-250 carries, another 30-45 receptions, somewhere in the 275+ touch range, maybe 6-8 TDs. I also feel Tampa will run the ball very well with the addition of Carl Nicks inside, premier OL to add to an under performing unit that has talent, the Bucs are going to run and run well. I think Blount will see a lot of duty in and around short yardage, goal line, and then probably split drives or every 3rd drive, he is best suited to take carries not receptions. Blount could easily see 175-200 touches and perhaps knock in 8-10 TD. Where are people on this really? if you can't give an idea of what you feel the split or projections will be then why fight tooth and nail with others?

for martin i see:rushing: 250/1175 10TD's receiving: 60/480 3TD's for blount i see:rushing: 95/375 2TD's, receiving: 5/20 0TD - 6 fumbles and a new team next season to booti think blount will be replaced mid season by michael smith who is much more talented than he will ever be.

You are even higher on Martin than myself and I just took him in the 3rd of a redraft. I do not think Blount will be tossed completely aside, gut tells me maybe a 60/40 split for Martin, maybe more when you factor in the receptions.

I'm going to go broken record here, but again... blount received only half the carries last season when he was "the guy". in 2012, you're saying he's going to get 40% of the carries. to me, the front office made a statement when they drafted a complete back in the first round. i agree blount will get a chance, i think he comes up short again and the team says so long. for someone who would like to bring stats into the conversation it seems you're ingoring the stats that have already happened.

You're not taking into account that Freeman had 55 of those carries or that Blount was out for 2 games, obviously. He had close to 2/3rds of the RB carries, despite injury.

 

[cvnpoka]

I'm going to go broken record here, but again... blount received only half the carries last season when he was "the guy".

in 2012, you're saying he's going to get 40% of the carries. to me, the front office made a statement when they drafted a complete back in the first round. i agree blount will get a chance, i think he comes up short again and the team says so long.

for someone who would like to bring stats into the conversation it seems you're ingoring the stats that have already happened.

blount had 184 carries and the rest of the backs had 88. i guess you are including qb carries? you might be a bit surprised to look at the ratio of other teams and backs then.

 

[chiefs2929]

Martin will way out-perform Blount barring injury. Those who don't see it are blind. So what hes not #1 going into preseason, he is a rookie. He was hand-picked by the new head coach, he will get his chances.

 

[jurb26]

Martin will way out-perform Blount barring injury. Those who don't see it are blind. So what hes not #1 going into preseason, he is a rookie. He was hand-picked by the new head coach, he will get his chances.

What were we up posed to have seen from a guy who hasn't taken a single carry in an NFL game? I'm all in on the Martin train, seeing I drafted him in my dynasty league. Comments like this just ont make sense though and lead to the impression that you are a irrational Marin owner.It seems to me that the people who aren't able to acknowledge or see that Blount has talent ar ethe ones who are blind. Either blind with Martin hope or just ignorant to the 2 year body of work Blount has actually produced.I do believe Martin is a better RB and talent Han Blount but hat is nothing more than speculation at this point.

 

[TheFanatic]

For a guy who didn't get owned, you're backpedaling quite a bit. We've gone from Blount being a wasted pick as RB43 and being responsible for the Bucs collapse, to Brandon Jacobs. At this rate you'll be taking Blount in the early third again by sometime this evening.

i'm not backpeddling. in the 10th round, he is a waste of a pick imo. jacobs is a waste of a pick there too. i said i'd much rather have high upside guys that could successfully take over on all three downs if someone goes down over someone who was already "the guy" and performed poorly.

Keep digging. Jacobs was a fantasy RB2 twice, a flex guy once, and a RB1 once during his run in the Giants RBBC, despite never being a "high upside three down" guy. Unless you're in a four team league, that would be outstanding out of a 10th round pick. Probably league-winning value the year he finished RB12 if anyone got him in the 10th.And last I checked, 4.6 career YPC isn't remotely close to flopping in the NFL.

That's my point. That's a great YPC. Martins YPC? Exactly.

 

[duaneok66]

I'm going to go broken record here, but again... blount received only half the carries last season when he was "the guy".

in 2012, you're saying he's going to get 40% of the carries. to me, the front office made a statement when they drafted a complete back in the first round. i agree blount will get a chance, i think he comes up short again and the team says so long.

for someone who would like to bring stats into the conversation it seems you're ingoring the stats that have already happened.

blount had 184 carries and the rest of the backs had 88. i guess you are including qb carries? you might be a bit surprised to look at the ratio of other teams and backs then.

he probably means snaps - for example, Graham (on more than one occasion before he got hurt) saw most of the snaps in the 2nd half of a game, but not many rushes (because the Bucs were trailing) . . .

 

[Grahamburn]

I keep seeing "Schiano's offense" quite a bit in threads regarding this situation. Make no mistake, this will be Mike Sullivan's offense. Schiano will not be calling the plays. We aren't going to see "Rutgers NFL" here. That particular scheme isn't nearly as effective at this level. Tampa will need to be successful throwing the football to win.I believe the scheme the Bucs will be running will be extremely similar to what the NY Giants were running while Sullivan was the QB coach there. These are the carry splits between Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs for the past three seasons. I think you can expect similar split totals in Tampa between Blount and Martin with their roles being fairly obvious. There wasn't much rhyme or reason to their usage. I'm sure the numbers were dictated by injuries, game situation, matchup, etc. 2011:Bradshaw - 171Jacobs - 1522010:Bradshaw - 276Jacobs - 1472009:Bradshaw - 163Jacobs - 224This is my post from Martin's spotlight thread. It was composed before training camp opened. After hearing some of the glowing reports regarding Martin I think he may earn a few more touches than what I've projected here, but I still don't expect it to be an astronomical amount for a rookie making the jump from the Mountain West to the NFL. Blount may be even more of a value play at this point with the reports on Martin being so positive as their respective ADP's are likely moving in opposite directions.

I really love Martin as a Buc fan and expect him to be a key cog in what I think is an up and coming offense, but Blount is the play in redraft leagues at his current ADP. This situation looks like a complete committee to me with Blount getting goalline looks and Martin playing on passing downs. Martin being drafted 4-5 rounds ahead of Blount is silly. Blount has shown he can be a productive runner in the NFL.I actually see a lot of similarities here to the Beanie Wells/Ryan Williams situation in Arizona coming in to last season.Talented RB has a tough season on a bad team, said team drafts a young player at the same position, fantasy players ignore the incumbent in favor of the rookie. Granted, Williams got hurt which led to Beanie's value increasing, but I'd argue he would have had a similar season regardless. This type of situation often lights a fire under the incumbent as it did with Beanie, and as it has with Blount it seems.The Bucs will want to run the ball. If their defense can stop some people I expect 450+ rushes with 400 of those going to the RBs. Blount and Martin should dominate the touches as there isn't much else on the roster besides those two.Blount: 196 carries at 4.7 ypc is 921 yards. 15 receptions at 8 ypr is 130 yards. 8 TDsMartin: 170 carries at 4.4 ypc is 616 yards. 40 receptions at 8.4 ypr is 336 yards. 5 TDs.

 

[werdnoynek]

I'm going to go broken record here, but again... blount received only half the carries last season when he was "the guy". in 2012, you're saying he's going to get 40% of the carries. to me, the front office made a statement when they drafted a complete back in the first round. i agree blount will get a chance, i think he comes up short again and the team says so long. for someone who would like to bring stats into the conversation it seems you're ingoring the stats that have already happened.

You're not taking into account that Freeman had 55 of those carries or that Blount was out for 2 games, obviously. He had close to 2/3rds of the RB carries, despite injury.

touche. how about blount playing in less than 45% of the total snaps? for the top RB on a team thats pretty sad. goes to show how single dimensional he really is doesn't it?

 

[TheFanatic]

Good point about the team not playing Rutgers NFL ball. This team just signed VJax and grabbed Dallas Clark in FA. They drafted a RB in the first round, but it's not like they are going to be running it 75% of the plays after signing VJax to that monster deal.

 

[werdnoynek]

Good point about the team not playing Rutgers NFL ball. This team just signed VJax and grabbed Dallas Clark in FA. They drafted a RB in the first round, but it's not like they are going to be running it 75% of the plays after signing VJax to that monster deal.

and why would blount be on the field if they plan on passing the ball? not only is he a poor receiver, he's a liability in pass protection as well.

 

[amicsta]

What makes Martin the no-brainer over blount in fantasy is that hes going to catch a lot more balls.

Given their current ADPs (RB20 for Martin vs RB43 for Blount) Blount is the no-brainer and Martin is a guy to avoid.

Youre misinterpreting my statement. Im saying in a vacuum, martin is a no brainer over blount, hence the discrepency in ADP

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm not doubting Blount and I don't know a lot about the TB situation but after reading somethings in this thread it concerns me (in a PPR) that Blount will not be the 3rd down back and that he wasn't the goal-line guy last year.

 

[jurb26]

I'm not doubting Blount and I don't know a lot about the TB situation but after reading somethings in this thread it concerns me (in a PPR) that Blount will not be the 3rd down back and that he wasn't the goal-line guy last year.

Blount will be a back up who at best fringes on a RBBC IMO. It all depends on how much, or effectively, TB runs the ball. He will probably see 2 or 3 series a game. As a Martin owner I think his greatest value is that he is a talented and cheap handcuff to a rookie who hasn't proven anything in the NFL just yet.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Let's get some air pressure back in here. Can anyone post potential projections for the 2 backs? I feel strongly that Martin will get about 220-250 carries, another 30-45 receptions, somewhere in the 275+ touch range, maybe 6-8 TDs. I also feel Tampa will run the ball very well with the addition of Carl Nicks inside, premier OL to add to an under performing unit that has talent, the Bucs are going to run and run well. I think Blount will see a lot of duty in and around short yardage, goal line, and then probably split drives or every 3rd drive, he is best suited to take carries not receptions. Blount could easily see 175-200 touches and perhaps knock in 8-10 TD. Where are people on this really? if you can't give an idea of what you feel the split or projections will be then why fight tooth and nail with others?

Doug Martin: 165 c; 685 yds; 4 TD; 41 r; 320 yds.; 2 TD 4.15 ypcLeGarrette Blount: 205 c; 935 yds.; 8 TD; 11 r; 65 yds; 0 TD; 4.56 ypc

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I'm not doubting Blount and I don't know a lot about the TB situation but after reading somethings in this thread it concerns me (in a PPR) that Blount will not be the 3rd down back and that he wasn't the goal-line guy last year.

Wait, the guy I plan on drafting in the 10th round isn't going to be a 3 down workhorse?!?! That's it, I'm off the Blount bandwagon entirely.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'm going to go broken record here, but again... blount received only half the carries last season when he was "the guy".

Maybe you want to fix your broken record:Blount had 184 carries last season (53.2% of TB's carries); the next highest RB (Earnest Graham) had 37 carries - all other TB players (including RBs, QBs and WRs) had 125 carries.So yes techinically he "only" had about half the carries - but he had a very large percentage of all the RB carries - and the bottom line was that TB in the second half of the season was getting blown out every week making Blount not a big part of the offense. You may also want to look around the league and see what % of total team carries most lead backs had. You may be surprised. For example Frank Gore who I'm sure you consider the bell cow back back for SF last season had "only" 56% of SF's total team carries. Arian Foster (yes he missed two games) had "only" 50% of Houston's total team carries. There were many teams in the league whose lead back had well under 50% of their teams' total carries.

 

[Grahamburn]

What happened last year really isn't relevant to this conversation in any way. The situation in Tampa is completely different for 2012.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm not doubting Blount and I don't know a lot about the TB situation but after reading somethings in this thread it concerns me (in a PPR) that Blount will not be the 3rd down back and that he wasn't the goal-line guy last year.

Blount will be a back up who at best fringes on a RBBC IMO. It all depends on how much, or effectively, TB runs the ball. He will probably see 2 or 3 series a game. As a Martin owner I think his greatest value is that he is a talented and cheap handcuff to a rookie who hasn't proven anything in the NFL just yet.

Another thing I havent seen mentioned here was the TB Defense. How were they last year? What can we expect or hoe to see this year? That would also play a pretty big role in who's the guy to get here too. IMO Anyway.