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A team has to wonder if he'll be a TO-like disruption if he doesn't know better than to just say that Leinart is the best QB.I'm amazed that people actually see this as throwing Leinert under the bus. Heck, I really don't like Young one bit but I still don't see anything wrong with what White said. Boy, I sure hope the other 31 teams let this guy slide to the Steeler. 2 Months ago I would have thought it to be impossible!
In what way did he disrupt the USC team?A team has to wonder if he'll be a TO-like disruption if he doesn't know better than to just say that Leinart is the best QB.I'm amazed that people actually see this as throwing Leinert under the bus. Heck, I really don't like Young one bit but I still don't see anything wrong with what White said. Boy, I sure hope the other 31 teams let this guy slide to the Steeler. 2 Months ago I would have thought it to be impossible!
You're putting words in his mouth. He never said he disrupted USC. He said it gives a team reason to believe White may not know better than to say something that WOULD disrupt a team.In what way did he disrupt the USC team?A team has to wonder if he'll be a TO-like disruption if he doesn't know better than to just say that Leinart is the best QB.I'm amazed that people actually see this as throwing Leinert under the bus. Heck, I really don't like Young one bit but I still don't see anything wrong with what White said. Boy, I sure hope the other 31 teams let this guy slide to the Steeler. 2 Months ago I would have thought it to be impossible!
Reading comprehension down?Where did I say that the Panthers were the epitome of character morality?Yes, he is on the Bears now, but had an incident very similar to the one he was just involved in before when he was with the Panthers as well.Let's try not to hold up any one particular organization as the epitome of character morality.No, but he is gone.Ricky Manning down?
Hi Jurb,Did you see anything wrong with Owens saying what he did about Favre?I'm amazed that people actually see this as throwing Leinert under the bus. Heck, I really don't like Young one bit but I still don't see anything wrong with what White said. Boy, I sure hope the other 31 teams let this guy slide to the Steeler. 2 Months ago I would have thought it to be impossible!
I'd ask this too, Jurb.How do you think USC fans feel about his quote?I'm amazed that people actually see this as throwing Leinert under the bus. Heck, I really don't like Young one bit but I still don't see anything wrong with what White said. Boy, I sure hope the other 31 teams let this guy slide to the Steeler. 2 Months ago I would have thought it to be impossible!
FYI, WHite and Leinert are NO LONGER TEAMMATES. Apples to Oranges. Plus, I think White displayed more than TO could ever hope to that he is a team player by not crying up a storm about how Bush was the lead RB.... Don't you?Comparing White to TO at this point in time is a way off IMO.Hi Jurb,Did you see anything wrong with Owens saying what he did about Favre?I'm amazed that people actually see this as throwing Leinert under the bus. Heck, I really don't like Young one bit but I still don't see anything wrong with what White said. Boy, I sure hope the other 31 teams let this guy slide to the Steeler. 2 Months ago I would have thought it to be impossible!
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To play devil's advocate White did have a major issue with his playing time early in the season this year. After the opener at Hawaii he was complaining to the coaching staff that he wasn't getting enough touches.Some may take that as another example of what is going on here. I personally like the fact that a player wants the ball and after he got it out in the air with the coaches he even had a sense of humor to participate in the practical joke that Carroll pulled on the USC team about handling distractions.You're putting words in his mouth. He never said he disrupted USC. He said it gives a team reason to believe White may not know better than to say something that WOULD disrupt a team.In what way did he disrupt the USC team?A team has to wonder if he'll be a TO-like disruption if he doesn't know better than to just say that Leinart is the best QB.I'm amazed that people actually see this as throwing Leinert under the bus. Heck, I really don't like Young one bit but I still don't see anything wrong with what White said. Boy, I sure hope the other 31 teams let this guy slide to the Steeler. 2 Months ago I would have thought it to be impossible!
Hi jurb,I'm not comparing. Just asking. What did you think about what TO said about Favre?FYI, WHite and Leinert are NO LONGER TEAMMATES. Apples to Oranges. Plus, I think White displayed more than TO could ever hope to that he is a team player by not crying up a storm about how Bush was the lead RB.... Don't you?Comparing White to TO at this point in time is a way off IMO.Hi Jurb,Did you see anything wrong with Owens saying what he did about Favre?I'm amazed that people actually see this as throwing Leinert under the bus. Heck, I really don't like Young one bit but I still don't see anything wrong with what White said. Boy, I sure hope the other 31 teams let this guy slide to the Steeler. 2 Months ago I would have thought it to be impossible!
J
Why, fans are fickle.I'd ask this too, Jurb.How do you think USC fans feel about his quote?I'm amazed that people actually see this as throwing Leinert under the bus. Heck, I really don't like Young one bit but I still don't see anything wrong with what White said. Boy, I sure hope the other 31 teams let this guy slide to the Steeler. 2 Months ago I would have thought it to be impossible!
How do you think Texas fans feel about his quote?
That's a good baromoter for where it hits on the under the bus scale.
J
Hi bagger,I've not seen anything at all to make me think he's a thug.
Low blow to your current teammate. BTW, what did White ever say that was in any way malice towards Leinert? He actually credited him in the responce from what I can see.Hi jurb,I'm not comparing. Just asking. What did you think about what TO said about Favre?FYI, WHite and Leinert are NO LONGER TEAMMATES. Apples to Oranges. Plus, I think White displayed more than TO could ever hope to that he is a team player by not crying up a storm about how Bush was the lead RB.... Don't you?Comparing White to TO at this point in time is a way off IMO.Hi Jurb,Did you see anything wrong with Owens saying what he did about Favre?I'm amazed that people actually see this as throwing Leinert under the bus. Heck, I really don't like Young one bit but I still don't see anything wrong with what White said. Boy, I sure hope the other 31 teams let this guy slide to the Steeler. 2 Months ago I would have thought it to be impossible!
J
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I am not offended or bothered by it. He's not a smart kid and this is an example of why he should have gone to class more. I would have Leinart over Young everyday of the week in college, and especially in the NFL. But that said, he is a beast of a RB.He made a great Texas defense look silly.I'd ask this too, Jurb.How do you think USC fans feel about his quote?I'm amazed that people actually see this as throwing Leinert under the bus. Heck, I really don't like Young one bit but I still don't see anything wrong with what White said. Boy, I sure hope the other 31 teams let this guy slide to the Steeler. 2 Months ago I would have thought it to be impossible!
How do you think Texas fans feel about his quote?
That's a good baromoter for where it hits on the under the bus scale.
J
Why, fans are fickle.I'd ask this too, Jurb.How do you think USC fans feel about his quote?I'm amazed that people actually see this as throwing Leinert under the bus. Heck, I really don't like Young one bit but I still don't see anything wrong with what White said. Boy, I sure hope the other 31 teams let this guy slide to the Steeler. 2 Months ago I would have thought it to be impossible!
How do you think Texas fans feel about his quote?
That's a good baromoter for where it hits on the under the bus scale.
J
Fickle about what?
I dunno, bagger.Larry Phillips had serious game skills.
Why, fans are fickle.I'd ask this too, Jurb.How do you think USC fans feel about his quote?I'm amazed that people actually see this as throwing Leinert under the bus. Heck, I really don't like Young one bit but I still don't see anything wrong with what White said. Boy, I sure hope the other 31 teams let this guy slide to the Steeler. 2 Months ago I would have thought it to be impossible!
How do you think Texas fans feel about his quote?
That's a good baromoter for where it hits on the under the bus scale.
J
I can tell you what many felt. USC fans were pissed. Here's one of their guys dissing their QB.
Texas fans were happy (like the guy who started the thread) No praise is sweeter than when an "enemy" says your guy is better than his own guy.
That's way up the throwing under the bus territory.
J
Dissing... read this again:"I would never trade away the three years I had with Matt as my quarterback," White said. "But if I was an NFL team, I don't know how you could not take Vince Young. A quarterback's job is to control the game. When a guy throws for 260 and runs for 200 in the biggest game of the year, he doesn't just control a game, he shows he can completely take it over.
Bagger,I'm not so much worried about the poor workout as I am being unprepared for the workout. He just seems like he didn't get it. And then the things he's said about how he's the only big back and such. I understand there is always more behind the scenes like with the hamstring and such but he just seems to be giving off huge red flags.
That's cool. We can disagree on White.Do you think TO was "dissing" McNabb with what he said about Favre?
It's amazing the amount of people that what to create a witch hunt over a guy who is only expressing what everyone with a set of eyes could see. It seems rather obvious to me that White was just a great bit taken over by Young's multi-talents in that game... the passing and running together. He sees this as an advantage for Young over his own QB Leinert (who he still held in HIGH praise) in the transisiton to the NFL. OK, big deal. Move along. Nothing to see here.
Saying that amounts to saying "I'd rather have him on my team than Leinart", regardless of how he couched it before hand.Obviously they aren't still on the same active team. But NFL personnel are looking at every aspect of a player including personality and how he will fit into the locker room. White's comment doesn't outright mean he'd make a TO blunder like he did with the question about Favre vs McNabb. But it gives one less faith as to his judgement that he couldn't find a way to answer while still showing the kind of loyalty to a team that an NFL front office wants to see.
"I would never trade away the three years I had with Matt as my quarterback," White said. "But if I was an NFL team, I don't know how you could not take Vince Young. A quarterback's job is to control the game. When a guy throws for 260 and runs for 200 in the biggest game of the year, he doesn't just control a game, he shows he can completely take it over.
"Nothing against Matt, but Vince has to be the No. 1 guy."
Calling this "dissing" is about as extreme a stretch as you can get. I'll call it a day as we clearly have differences of opinion on the matter.
I don't know that I agree. I don't think I would say it will definitely cost him, but I think it could. If a team already is viewing him questionably and then sees this is an example of how he stands up for his team's QB, it could be the proverbial straw that makes the team choose someone else.By itself it isn't a smoking gun. But from someone who has already raised a lot of question about himself it just makes it that much harder to be confident about picking him.
Note to White: Cliches are your friend. "Each of those QB has his own identity but both guys are going to be lacing them up on Sundays and leading their teams to NFL victories, mark my word. I'll let the scouts take it from there."
Man, my take on this is Lendale White is an idiot. If I am a scout I have to wonder about a guys brain as well as his loyalty. Even if he is right and he believes it, it was stab in the back to Lienert.
Joe, you have a very polite way of saying, "You don't know what the ^%$& you are talking about"
Any way you slice it, if he pumps up VY he is knocking down Lienert.
If you care to provide the quote I'll give you my answer. Somehow though I get the feeling that if you go and find that quote, I wont have to.
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BigJim, you're hired.JI don't know that I agree. I don't think I would say it will definitely cost him, but I think it could. If a team already is viewing him questionably and then sees this is an example of how he stands up for his team's QB, it could be the proverbial straw that makes the team choose someone else.By itself it isn't a smoking gun. But from someone who has already raised a lot of question about himself it just makes it that much harder to be confident about picking him.
When TO said it he was kind of an ex teammate already too...I don't see a discernible difference. they are both saying the other guy is better than the present. White is saying that if they had VY they would have won; TO is saying that if they had favre they would have won.Now that we are comparing White and TO...
Yeah, this is just what the word wants. A bunch of programed robots for athletes with no original thought or opinion. Automated responces have taken over customer service, so why not the world of athletics as well.BigJim, you're hired.JI don't know that I agree. I don't think I would say it will definitely cost him, but I think it could. If a team already is viewing him questionably and then sees this is an example of how he stands up for his team's QB, it could be the proverbial straw that makes the team choose someone else.By itself it isn't a smoking gun. But from someone who has already raised a lot of question about himself it just makes it that much harder to be confident about picking him.
My my Joe, if this were to ever really happen what would the world ever find to complain.... oops I mean write about?
There isn't as big a difference as you are suggesting. One guy is saying his team would win more games if he had a warrior QB like Favre. The other is essentially suggesting Vince Young out-leadershipped Leinart to win the Rose Bowl. Identical? No. Similar? Absolutely. That he'd say this about a QB who'd led USC to 38 (or however many) straight wins is what blows me away.
I guess none of you caught the glaring difference of how White prefaces his coments huh. I guess you guys also missed the other portion when White specifies his comments for NFL TEAMS. This part makes your last accusation directly false. One guy openly stats that he wants a new QB and that for his current team he thinks this is a better optioni for winning football games. The other guy stats that he would never trade his college QB but he thinks Young transitions better to the NFL. No difference here at all fellas. 
Exactly and trust someone is explaining this to White today. That question called for a very politically correct and balanced answer or no comment. Period. If he fields and answers the question properly, there is no story. However, he did not and it made print and is very much a story, given who said it; the context of the statement; the individuals involved and proximity to the draft.
He said, ""Nothing against Matt, but Vince has to be the No. 1 guy." You need to look up what disrespectful means.Outside of that, these two guys are going toe to toe to be the 1st QB taken off the board. Huge dollars at stake and he chooses a few days before the draft to say that his ex teammate should not be the 1st pick??? Dude, I don't see your side of this at all.This is rediculous. So your saying that White in now way shape or fomr is permitted to talk about Young in a positive light because it would be disrepectful to his former QB?
Nicely done. Now, I am going to tread on dangerous waters. I deplore the race card being used when there is nothing to it. Calling it out when it is just a normal situation takes away from the real times there is injustice. That being said, is it possible LW was supporting an African American player over a Caucasian? This is not meant to get people up in arms and if it is too controversial please remove.
If the writer did a mean cut & paste, then that obviously changes thing a little. I'll admit that and the reporter should know better. Conversely, if it was not taken out of context and was that direct of an exchange, White's answer was poor.Based on your comments it sounds like someone did a nice edit job to fit their needs, which is equally bad. Given that I would be very curious to see the original content and context of the conversation.
