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Lesean McCoy? How concerned are we? (2 Viewers)

FWIW, I agree with the bolded. I specifically said he's the guy to own short term, but Williams is the long term choice.

I still don't know how everyone can be so certain he's not a JAG, though. As I asked Grigs, what is this based on? His college production was lackluster and his NFL sample size is minuscule. He was drafted very late and cut after 1 year. He made an appearance in eight games in two years. The dial is not pointing up...
Opportunity with limited competition on a run heavy team. He has looked good this year on all of his touches. There was a play week one or two where he vultured a TD from McCoy and I was celebrating thinking McCoy just scored, reason I thought it was McCoy was because he looked really good on the carry making people miss and going though the last defender for the TD 

 
I dont get if Gillislee is a JAG or not talk. Who cares. He is next in line if Mccoy was to be out and will get first crack. Often it is more about opportunity than talent. 

 
Opportunity with limited competition on a run heavy team. He has looked good this year on all of his touches. There was a play week one or two where he vultured a TD from McCoy and I was celebrating thinking McCoy just scored, reason I thought it was McCoy was because he looked really good on the carry making people miss and going though the last defender for the TD 
No personal insults this time? Surprising.

Looking good on 17 carries in 6 games means nothing. You should look into the significance of sample size sometime.

 
I dont get if Gillislee is a JAG or not talk. Who cares. He is next in line if Mccoy was to be out and will get first crack. Often it is more about opportunity than talent. 
A couple pages back someone asked, if McCoy misses time, who is the player to own. I said, Gillislee is a JAG but he's the one to own in the short term, but long term Jonathan Williams is the play. Everyone decided to take issue with me calling him a JAG bc I guess there's nothing else to talk about while we wait for updates on McCoy's hamstring :shrug: It is truly a pointless debate.

 
Doesn't the sample size point apply to declaring someone a JAG before he's even had a start in the NFL?

Someone made the point that Miami let him go so he can't be good. That seems ridiculous when talking about that inept organization. 

No personal insults this time? Surprising.

Looking good on 17 carries in 6 games means nothing. You should look into the significance of sample size sometime.

 
Seems likely that Mccoy, with his history of hamstring issues, sits this week in an effort to make sure he is 100% for next week's matchup vs Pats. 

Gillislee is JAG..JAG who is going to get 25 touches this week.

Ive watched him closely (Bills fan) for the past two years, dude can play. 

 
Doesn't the sample size point apply to declaring someone a JAG before he's even had a start in the NFL?

Someone made the point that Miami let him go so he can't be good. That seems ridiculous when talking about that inept organization.
I agree Miami has a pretty inept front office, but it still says something when a team in need of RBs cuts a guy they drafted after just one year. But that's just one part. The reason I called him a JAG was from the sum of these parts:

1) mediocre college resume and combine

2) pre-draft scout reports on par with JAG

3) actual draft position pretty low (5.31 - 14th RB selected, I believe)

4) three games played as a rookie

5) cut after 1 year from RB needy team

6) experts still not impressed by his NFL film from 2 years

The book is not written on him, but there's enough data that we can say the arrow is leaning more to JAG than hidden gem. Maybe he's the next Priest Holmes, but FF is a game of odds and the odds of Gillislee being better than a JAG are slim. But again, this was just a minor point of a quick answer to someone's question. Not sure why everyone wants to take issue with it. You guys been rostering him for 3 years on your dynasty squads? He's probably a nice one week spot start if McCoy misses this game. Why such vigor in defending his non-JAG honor??

 
Buffalo homer checking in

Gillislee has performed every time he has gotten the chance in Buffalo.  Before they signed him last year the backup RBs were a disaster in Buffalo, but he has proven that he fits this scheme well.  Williams also has fumbled already too. 

I don't have any shares of McCoy/Gillislee so I don't have a dog in the fight... but if I had him, I'd start him with confidently as long as McCoy is out.  But now the rumor mill is saying McCoy might still play

 
I have a feeling McCoy will be active Sunday, (which will make everyone bench Gil) they will share carries and neither will have a decent fantasy day. Either that or McCoy will be active, not play and Gil will kill it on my bench

 
Well obviously a 5th round pick is a long shot. 

But he was also a late bloomer in college and Buffalo might be a great fit.

Could be a little like Spencer Ware.

 
I have a feeling McCoy will be active Sunday, (which will make everyone bench Gil) they will share carries and neither will have a decent fantasy day. Either that or McCoy will be active, not play and Gil will kill it on my bench
Murphy's law says this is exactly what will happen. Like Foster/Ajayi last week. 

"McCoy is starting!" Everyone benches Gill

McCoy with 1.3 points, Gill with 200 yards and 2 TDs 

But you cant say you didn't know this would happen at some point this year - it is Shady McCoy. You had to know the health was too good to hold up. 

 
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Just saw I am playing the McCoy owner next week. I will just hold Glee so he can't have him that week. That's worth the roster spot since that guy does not have much else at RB. 

 
Buffalo homer checking in

Gillislee has performed every time he has gotten the chance in Buffalo.  Before they signed him last year the backup RBs were a disaster in Buffalo, but he has proven that he fits this scheme well.  Williams also has fumbled already too. 

I don't have any shares of McCoy/Gillislee so I don't have a dog in the fight... but if I had him, I'd start him with confidently as long as McCoy is out.  But now the rumor mill is saying McCoy might still play
That's not really true.  He has performed admirably, and consistently, in the role of backup with limited touches.  But the one time he was called on to carry the load he went 24 carries for 28 yards with 0 TDs and 0 receptions.

 
I have a feeling McCoy will be active Sunday, (which will make everyone bench Gil) they will share carries and neither will have a decent fantasy day. Either that or McCoy will be active, not play and Gil will kill it on my bench


This is the fear. Would rather Shady just sat out a week to get right 

 
Well obviously a 5th round pick is a long shot. 

But he was also a late bloomer in college and Buffalo might be a great fit.

Could be a little like Spencer Ware.
Could be, but Waldman was all over Spencer Ware long before his breakout. There has been zero dynasty buzz about Gillislee the past 3 years that I can recall.

FWIW, I no longer pay much attention to draft pick - I find it much more telling to look at how many RBs were drafted before that player since drafting patterns have shifted (RBs being taken later and later these days).

 
The hamstring/soft tissue issues are pretty common for McCoy during his career. How many times did he come back from a hamstring flareup of mild-mid grade and have a good game following week? I think he has rested during all cases for at least a few weeks iirc. I remember he had an issue last pre-season in 2015 then lingered again at start of season and missed time again during the season. Also had hamstring issues in Philly. Last year he had a good game his first game back from inj, but that was after sitting out a few weeks.

 
Just saw I am playing the McCoy owner next week. I will just hold Glee so he can't have him that week. That's worth the roster spot since that guy does not have much else at RB. 
Unfortunately I'm facing the Glee owner. Who has Matt Jones on the BYE and just lost Hyde for the week. 

Looked at his bench and :doh:

thoughts and and prayers for a speedy recovery Mr Shady. 

 
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That's not really true.  He has performed admirably, and consistently, in the role of backup with limited touches.  But the one time he was called on to carry the load he went 24 carries for 28 yards with 0 TDs and 0 receptions.
vs a Jets D last year that completely dominated the Bills OL that game

 
I'm thinking we won't see him for 2-4 weeks.

The Bills might think they can win in Miami with Gilislee, Bush and Tyrod running around.  Risky but at 4-2 they may be conservative as after the BYE big games with Cinci/Jacksonville/Oakland/Pittsburgh look.  The stretch of Miami/NE/Seattle they'd be happy with 1-2.

 
Any thoughts that Jonathon Williams get a share if Shady is out? He was one of my deep sleepers before the injury in pre-season.

 
Any thoughts that Jonathon Williams get a share if Shady is out? He was one of my deep sleepers before the injury in pre-season.
I'm a Buffalo homer, and own Williams in a deep Dynasty league.  I think he'll get a couple more carries but I think Reggie gets the carries to spell Gillislee.  He has a couple fumbles already this year and likely wouldn't be as involved just yet.

 
Any thoughts that Jonathon Williams get a share if Shady is out? He was one of my deep sleepers before the injury in pre-season.
He's probably fumbled his way into the dog house for now, but wouldn't be surprised to see him get a decent share of carries if the game is out of hand in either direction.

 
vs a Jets D last year that completely dominated the Bills OL that game
Okay.  But in the same game Karlos Williams ran for 24 yards on 6 carries and it's the same defense that LeSean McCoy put up 112 yards on 19 carries in week 10.

It is not to say that Gillislee is bad just that he failed to perform in his only chance at the lead role.

 
Okay.  But in the same game Karlos Williams ran for 24 yards on 6 carries and it's the same defense that LeSean McCoy put up 112 yards on 19 carries in week 10.

It is not to say that Gillislee is bad just that he failed to perform in his only chance at the lead role.
It was only 1 game, and the other 4 games he played in before that he did very well. He's looked solid again this year when called upon.

 
Is Miami really a cakewalk against the run? 

Seems like they have the pieces to load up the box and dare Taylor to beat them with his arm. 

Everything ive read so far indicates a Glee led backfield, but many suggest RBBC of some sort.

whats the O/U on carries for Glee, 15? 

If I had him I'd start him as a high upside flex. 

 
It was only 1 game, and the other 4 games he played in before that he did very well. He's looked solid again this year when called upon.
I completely understand that. The point I stated earlier is that he has been very consistent when playing in a backup role with limited touches but in the only opportunity he had to be a bellcow he floundered.  Doesn't mean much in the grand scheme and I don't think it really has a bearing on this week's game but it's at least worth noting before people expect him to have some kind of monster game on the road.

 
I completely understand that. The point I stated earlier is that he has been very consistent when playing in a backup role with limited touches but in the only opportunity he had to be a bellcow he floundered.  Doesn't mean much in the grand scheme and I don't think it really has a bearing on this week's game but it's at least worth noting before people expect him to have some kind of monster game on the road.
Good points, all.  

Buffalo runs like crazy though, and he could end up with 25 carries. 

I have to imagine any RB geting that sort of volume will peoduce at least a RB2-caliber day.

A lot will depend on game script and which Miami team shows up of course. 

 
I completely understand that. The point I stated earlier is that he has been very consistent when playing in a backup role with limited touches but in the only opportunity he had to be a bellcow he floundered.  Doesn't mean much in the grand scheme and I don't think it really has a bearing on this week's game but it's at least worth noting before people expect him to have some kind of monster game on the road.
I don't have him. I'm a Bills homer. I don't expect any monstrous games from this offense ever. Let alone against a division rival on the road. But, he passes the eye test. When given opportunities he has looked very good. He's not somebody that gets a lot of credit. Karlos made the waves and Gilislee continues to fly under the radar it seems. But other than that 1 game, he's done a good job. Perhaps it could have been a scheme thing or what not. I don't remember the game details although I do remember we had a lot of guys out and should have lost but didn't.

I just pulled up the play-by-play of the game. Karlos got touches early on and then after he scored he didn't get the ball anymore, for whatever reason. I'm not sure if he was injured or what, but it seemed like they were getting every other carry and then Gilislee got the remaining carries. Gilislee's last 2 carries were when they were running out the clock. That was 2 carries for 1 yard. I'm going to exclude that drive from the analysis as it really had no baring on his effectiveness.

What I did notice was that the playcalling for Buffalo was ridiculously predictable. Gilislee ran the ball on 1st & 10 a total of 15 times. He got the ball on 2nd down 8 times and never touched it on 3rd down. When he started to get some touches alternating with Karlos he had 1 carry on 1st down for 9 yards and 3 carries on 2nd down for 4 yards total. Shortly after that Karlos got his TD. Then it was Gilislee the rest of the way.

Kudos to Greg Roman playcalling on this one.


Alternating w/ Karlos


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Yards


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1st down carries


1


9


9.00


2nd down carries



3


4


1.33


 


 


 


 


After Karlos 


Carries


Yards


YPC


1st down carries


14


22


1.57


2nd down carries


4


-3


-0.75


 


 


 


 

 
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He is playing if I take a guess. I said it before and I will ay it again. McCoy will act hurt all the time. He will roll around like he is dying just to to come back and play. I remember when he was with the Eagles. He went down in a heap on a untouched play. World was over, but he came back in to get another TD and a ton of yards. I dont wish him an injury, but he fakes some of them. no proof, just a suspicious fan.

 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
Is Miami really a cakewalk against the run? 

Seems like they have the pieces to load up the box and dare Taylor to beat them with his arm. 

Everything ive read so far indicates a Glee led backfield, but many suggest RBBC of some sort.

whats the O/U on carries for Glee, 15? 

If I had him I'd start him as a high upside flex. 
No Reshad Jones.   This is a juicy match-up if you can pick the right guy 

 
He is playing. I said it before and I will ay it again. McCoy will act hurt all the time. He will roll around like he is dying just to to come back and play. I remember when he was with the Eagles. He went down in a heap on a untouched play. World was over, but he came back in to get another TD and a ton of yards. I dont wish him an injury, but he fakes some of them. Bo proof, just a suspicious fan.
I also remember last year where he was dinged up and missed some time. I'd rather him not play for 1 week and be 100% than play on an injury that he could aggravate to make it more serious. He's not much use to anybody while he's playing hobbled.

 
No Reshad Jones.   This is a juicy match-up if you can pick the right guy 
I don't think Buffalo will able to throw the ball with Tyrod's limitations and lack of WR options. Maybe Clay gets open.  I think Gillislee will hit 15 carries, Miami will load up the box however and I believe Mario gets more snaps this week for his run support.

 
Some lady on ESPN just said her source says 4 weeks.  Not sure how credible that is..
Yeah I'd like to see that that means she just thinks he misses the first 3 games and then the bye week which is very possible. I think he misses this week and if they win, they won't rush him back next week.  I think the Seattle game is where you could think he'll be back in which they may be cautious and wait until after the bye.

 
Some lady on ESPN just said her source says 4 weeks.  Not sure how credible that is..
GTFO! I hope that's not true. Rex was optimistic he's going to play, then an hour later he's possibly out 4 weeks? For a mild to moderate hamstring... That doesn't seem right. The Bills have screwed up some injury reporting recently, but c'mon.

 
He is playing if I take a guess. I said it before and I will ay it again. McCoy will act hurt all the time. He will roll around like he is dying just to to come back and play. I remember when he was with the Eagles. He went down in a heap on a untouched play. World was over, but he came back in to get another TD and a ton of yards. I dont wish him an injury, but he fakes some of them. no proof, just a suspicious fan.
Maybe he has ultra sensitive pain detection and it saves him from more serious injury. :ph34r:  

Nah...

 
GTFO! I hope that's not true. Rex was optimistic he's going to play, then an hour later he's possibly out 4 weeks? For a mild to moderate hamstring... That doesn't seem right. The Bills have screwed up some injury reporting recently, but c'mon.
Just reporting what I heard. Not sure what to think when it comes to hamstrings. I hope whatever the timeline is the let him fully heal. On Reddit someone linked a tweet where the OC said he won't play McCoy until he is 100% which I'm fine with. Hope everyone grabbed freegilley

 
Some lady on ESPN just said her source says 4 weeks.  Not sure how credible that is..


GTFO! I hope that's not true. Rex was optimistic he's going to play, then an hour later he's possibly out 4 weeks? For a mild to moderate hamstring... That doesn't seem right. The Bills have screwed up some injury reporting recently, but c'mon.
It could make sense to keep him off the field until after their wk10 bye, so he would miss only three games, not four, but get about a month of rest. Owners probably were not super excited to start him vs NE and SEA anyway. MIA coulda been huge tho, but I don't think anybody expects him to play for that game effectively.

 
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He is playing if I take a guess. I said it before and I will ay it again. McCoy will act hurt all the time. He will roll around like he is dying just to to come back and play. I remember when he was with the Eagles. He went down in a heap on a untouched play. World was over, but he came back in to get another TD and a ton of yards. I dont wish him an injury, but he fakes some of them. no proof, just a suspicious fan.
With knee's or ankle's yes he does do that often, he had a hammy issue with the Bills last year, they rushed him back, they wanted him for the opener, he played hurt throughout the year.  They'll be smart this year. He should probably sit as they are 4-2 and after the BYE week, AFC conference games galore.

 
Just reporting what I heard. Not sure what to think when it comes to hamstrings. I hope whatever the timeline is the let him fully heal. On Reddit someone linked a tweet where the OC said he won't play McCoy until he is 100% which I'm fine with. Hope everyone grabbed freegilley
No I understand you were posting what you heard. He did have a lingering hamstring issue last year. And he wasn't effective when he was playing hobbled. So I understand why they wouldn't want to trot him out there if he's not close to 100%. I would agree with that. He didn't do so hot when he was playing dinged up. I would expect Gilislee this week and for the team to make a move to bring in another RB. Reggie Bush should never touch the ball.

 
Not sure about that 4-week timeline.

Bills coach Rex Ryan remains "hopeful" LeSean McCoy (hamstring) will play against the Dolphins.

McCoy has missed back-to-back practices, but Ryan said the injury is not "full blown." We'd still consider McCoy on the wrong side of 50-50. He has a long history of hamstring issues. He'll need a "limited" session on Friday to have a realistic shot at suiting up, though McCoy is certainly the kind of player who could play without practicing. Mike Gillislee is the next man up.

Source: Mike Rodak on Twitter 

Oct 20 - 1:49 PM

Sounds like there's a real possibility that he plays this week. 

guess we'll know more tomorrow - if he gets in even a limited practice Friday I'd think he'll probably play. 
 

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