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Lesean McCoy? How concerned are we? (2 Viewers)

Rex, you stupid ******* let Shady heal.   .   

Not starting Shady in Week 7 even if he is active.   Going with Mike G. and Quizz Rodgers this week.    :ph34r:

 
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And so it continues. 

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports signs are pointing to LeSean McCoy (questionable, hamstring) "at least playing a limited role" Sunday.

McCoy is a game-time decision after making the trip to Miami. Early reports suggested he would sit, but it looks like he's going to try playing through his hamstring injury. At less than full strength, McCoy has workload concerns and will be exposed to in-game setbacks, making him more of a risk/reward RB2. Even with McCoy trending toward being active, Mike Gillislee should be involved this week.
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This is really a messed up situation. Anderson reports he's out multiple weeks. Rap immediately contradicts that report and says he's likely to play. Agent says he's anywhere from questionable to doubtful. Shady practices the next day. Video of the practice is Tweeted and it shows him catching passes and he looks like he's moving OK but reporters Tweet that he really isn't moving well at all and looks bad. Then we get the report that he's being pressured to play. Then today we hear he's expected to play but could be limited.

What a cluster. He clearly isn't healthy. That's the only thing that seems a 100% stone cold certainty. And if that's the case he shouldn't play tomorrow. But this is Rex and when it comes to Rex doing the smart thing is hardly ever going to be the stone cold certain thing to be done.  

 
packersfan said:
This is really a messed up situation. Anderson reports he's out multiple weeks. Rap immediately contradicts that report and says he's likely to play. Agent says he's anywhere from questionable to doubtful. Shady practices the next day. Video of the practice is Tweeted and it shows him catching passes and he looks like he's moving OK but reporters Tweet that he really isn't moving well at all and looks bad. Then we get the report that he's being pressured to play. Then today we hear he's expected to play but could be limited.

What a cluster. He clearly isn't healthy. That's the only thing that seems a 100% stone cold certainty. And if that's the case he shouldn't play tomorrow. But this is Rex and when it comes to Rex doing the smart thing is hardly ever going to be the stone cold certain thing to be done.  
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You left out the "Shady pushing hard to play" update, which (I think) goes after practice but before team is pushing him.  

So yeah - :doh:  

 
McCoy should take the week off and get healthy, but thanks to the NFL's meathead culture that you have to tough out every injury and play anyway, he'll probably play and not be the same the rest of the year. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
McCoy should take the week off and get healthy, but thanks to the NFL's meathead culture that you have to tough out every injury and play anyway, he'll probably play and not be the same the rest of the year. 
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If he's truly injured, even minorly, I agree. This game is winnable without him. But we don't know if he is.

 
At this point I've swapped Glee out of my DFS lineups for a safer option. 

The complete lack of clarity at this point actually provides some clarity.

If I had shares of Shady, he'd ride my bench this week in favor of anyone else. Gut feeling that he doesn't have a substantial enough role to be a great fantasy play.

Glee: if Shady starts, Glee becomes too risky for me because of the smalll chance that McCoy actually does have a substantial fantasy day. 

Miami should give up about 120 yards on the ground....if Buffalo has 2 running backs & possibly their QB divvying thise carries up then it's hard to see a huge rushing game for either RB. 

So then it comes down to predicting who gets the receptions &/or GL...so I'd start neither of them unless I absolutely had to. 

yeesh. What a mess. 

 
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McCoy could fly over to my house right now, run wind sprints in my back yard, look back to me after he's finished and give me a thumbs up before flying back to Miami and I'd still sit his ### tomorrow afternoon. In no universe am I starting him, I don't care what the reports say and I don't care if he's active.

 
SameSongNDance said:
McCoy could fly over to my house right now, run wind sprints in my back yard, look back to me after he's finished and give me a thumbs up before flying back to Miami and I'd still sit his ### tomorrow afternoon. In no universe am I starting him, I don't care what the reports say and I don't care if he's active.
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I laughed. 

 
SameSongNDance said:
McCoy could fly over to my house right now, run wind sprints in my back yard, look back to me after he's finished and give me a thumbs up before flying back to Miami and I'd still sit his ### tomorrow afternoon. In no universe am I starting him, I don't care what the reports say and I don't care if he's active.
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:lmao:

 
SameSongNDance said:
McCoy could fly over to my house right now, run wind sprints in my back yard, look back to me after he's finished and give me a thumbs up before flying back to Miami and I'd still sit his ### tomorrow afternoon. In no universe am I starting him, I don't care what the reports say and I don't care if he's active.
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What if it's a double thumbs up with a wink?

you seem like you're on the fence here, so I'm just trying to gauge the tipping point for this decision. 

:banned:

 
packersfan said:
This is really a messed up situation. Anderson reports he's out multiple weeks. Rap immediately contradicts that report and says he's likely to play. Agent says he's anywhere from questionable to doubtful. Shady practices the next day. Video of the practice is Tweeted and it shows him catching passes and he looks like he's moving OK but reporters Tweet that he really isn't moving well at all and looks bad. Then we get the report that he's being pressured to play. Then today we hear he's expected to play but could be limited.

What a cluster. He clearly isn't healthy. That's the only thing that seems a 100% stone cold certainty. And if that's the case he shouldn't play tomorrow. But this is Rex and when it comes to Rex doing the smart thing is hardly ever going to be the stone cold certain thing to be done.  
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Where was it reported that he's being pressured to play? That better not be true. F***ing stupid if true.

 
Per Schefter

Bills' RB LeSean McCoy, listed as questionable with hamstring, is expected to play today but could be on 25-35 play pitch count, per source.

 
Anyone who has ever had a hamstring injury knows the play here.  You get healthy then come back, otherwise you will be hampered the rest of the year with an enormously high chance of worsening it to the point of not being able to play at all.

A "pitch count"???  So stupid. 

 
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red said:
Per Schefter

Bills' RB LeSean McCoy, listed as questionable with hamstring, is expected to play today but could be on 25-35 play pitch count, per source.
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On average this would equate to about 50% of BUF's offensive snaps. I'm going to go ahead and bet the under.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Anyone who has ever had a hamstring injury knows the play here.  You get healthy then come back, otherwise you will be hampered the rest of the year with an enormously high chance of worsening it to the point of not being able to play at all.

A "pitch count"???  So stupid. 
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Rex has made some pretty stupid decisions through his coaching career, he may be just playing the 'I'm certainly not going to tell you what we're doing' game, or it is a division game and Any Given Sunday, he could play his best weapon for a big division win. now if McCoy re-injures the hammy and makes it worse or God forbid, end his season, Rex's decision will end his tenure (and his brothers) in Buffalo   :shrug:

 
NFL head coaches never cease to amaze me. I understand the need to win and all that but if Shady isn't healthy - and he clearly isn't - why run the risk of him further injuring himself by playing him on limited snaps? Just sit him and get him healthy. It makes so much more sense and it's the easy thing to do. Instead we constantly get the decoy/limited snap thing all the time or the Will Fuller thing last week thing that makes no sense at all. Again, I understand the pressure these guys are under to win at all costs but they're also putting these players careers at risk by doing these incredibly ignorant things. Just be smart. And the players need to be smart about what's being done to them. 

Oh well, end of rant. 

 
packersfan said:
NFL head coaches never cease to amaze me. I understand the need to win and all that but if Shady isn't healthy - and he clearly isn't - why run the risk of him further injuring himself by playing him on limited snaps? Just sit him and get him healthy. It makes so much more sense and it's the easy thing to do. Instead we constantly get the decoy/limited snap thing all the time or the Will Fuller thing last week thing that makes no sense at all. Again, I understand the pressure these guys are under to win at all costs but they're also putting these players careers at risk by doing these incredibly ignorant things. Just be smart. And the players need to be smart about what's being done to them. 

Oh well, end of rant. 
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latest examples... see Lacy & Martin

 
Rex is putting his most valuable offensive weapon at risk.  

I know it's a divisional game, but the Dolphins give up an average of 147 rushing yards/game.    Gilly would do just fine without Shady. 

So now with Jonathan Stewart on a bye, I may have to start Shady and Mike G., and flex Jacquizz Rodgers.   No idea what to expect.   :(

 
HE IS NOT HURT! He is a faker, I have said since his injury in the game last week, through his injury in practice... he is not hurt, he is dramatic and wants to look like a hero. The point to reaffirm that he can roll around on the ground get carted off and you still cant take his injuries seriously.

 
limited role never makes sense to me....either you are healthy enough to play or not. Risking further injury in a game against the fins is stupid

 
WheelsUp said:
HE IS NOT HURT! He is a faker, I have said since his injury in the game last week, through his injury in practice... he is not hurt, he is dramatic and wants to look like a hero. The point to reaffirm that he can roll around on the ground get carted off and you still cant take his injuries seriously.
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Agree with this.

That's why it's risky to play Gillislee at all.

 
Or maybe this was never as bad as the reporting - it's funny how we constantly fall for crap like this. 

Week after week coaches bullshart us, and week after week we take the bait again.  :fishing:  

We simply cannot rule out the possibility that Ryan, McCoy & Rosenhaus cooked this up as a scheme to put a divisional rival at a disadvantage. 

If McCoy comes out looking fine, then we know for sure. The fishiest part of it all is the lack of an MRI. I'm neither a physician nor a pro athlete, but in my 4 decades of watching the NFL, anything over a grade 1 hammy strain gets an MRI, and medical opinions are used to dictate time of absence. 

Here we had no MRI and a reporter'a telling us he'll be out a month based on "an inside source"? That source coulda been any of the 3 I just named leaking it to someone specifically to leak to Josina Anderson, knowing full well that she's part of the age of "being first over being accurate" in reporting 

Players play through grade 1 (or less) strains every week in the NFL, and despite McCoy's agent saying "on the doubtful side of questionable" here we are and McCoy's on a snap count? It's a miracle! Or it was never that bad. One of the two. 

Now i'm not entirely ready to dismiss this as "kardashian robbed at gunpoint in Paris" levels of bullshart, I'm just saying it's possible.

now then, has anyone seen an update this morning?  What did Shady have for breakfast, and did he walk gingerly to get the milk if it was in fact cereal?  :confused:   Shocking this hasn't yet been reported, given the track record here. 

If this all turns out to be total BS, I'd expect the league to make yet another rules change about reporting injuries like they did to address the games the Pats were playing with the weekly report. 

 
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packersfan said:
WheelsUp said:
HE IS NOT HURT! He is a faker, I have said since his injury in the game last week, through his injury in practice... he is not hurt, he is dramatic and wants to look like a hero. The point to reaffirm that he can roll around on the ground get carted off and you still cant take his injuries seriously.
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for some odd reason, i believe what you are preaching... no way rexy puts his and his brother's tenure in an improving buf team in jeopardy with rolling shady out there and risking further injury
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Another thought: there should be accountability in reporting as well. 

I called out Anderson / Rappaport on Twitter as this was all going down since it was so comical that they were reporting opposite things, but at this point it seems like it's :crickets: 

Ian Rappaport should be praised for his accuracy, and Josina should be shamed for her hasty, inaccurate and downright irresponsible journalism. 

I have no vendetta against her - I'd never heard of her before this. But the fact is that she just lost whatever credibility I normally assign to "people in the news" with her lazy parroting of whatever she was told by her source without bothering to confirm the details. 

And she absolutely should be called on it with the twitter version of breaking out the torches and storming the castle. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Another thought: there should be accountability in reporting as well. 

I called out Anderson / Rappaport on Twitter as this was all going down since it was so comical that they were reporting opposite things, but at this point it seems like it's :crickets: 

Ian Rappaport should be praised for his accuracy, and Josina should be shamed for her hasty, inaccurate and downright irresponsible journalism. 

I have no vendetta against her - I'd never heard of her before this. But the fact is that she just lost whatever credibility I normally assign to "people in the news" with her lazy parroting of whatever she was told by her source without bothering to confirm the details. 

And she absolutely should be called on it with the twitter version of breaking out the torches and storming the castle. 
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just don't introduce her to j brown

 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
Or maybe this was never as bad as the reporting - it's funny how we constantly fall for crap like this. 

Week after week coaches bullshart us, and week after week we take the bait again.  :fishing:  

We simply cannot rule out the possibility that Ryan, McCoy & Rosenhaus cooked this up as a scheme to put a divisional rival at a disadvantage. 

If McCoy comes out looking fine, then we know for sure. The fishiest part of it all is the lack of an MRI. I'm neither a physician nor a pro athlete, but in my 4 decades of watching the NFL, anything over a grade 1 hammy strain gets an MRI, and medical opinions are used to dictate time of absence. 

Here we had no MRI and a reporter'a telling us he'll be out a month based on "an inside source"? That source coulda been any of the 3 I just named leaking it to someone specifically to leak to Josina Anderson, knowing full well that she's part of the age of "being first over being accurate" in reporting 

Players play through grade 1 (or less) strains every week in the NFL, and despite McCoy's agent saying "on the doubtful side of questionable" here we are and McCoy's on a snap count? It's a miracle! Or it was never that bad. One of the two. 

Now i'm not entirely ready to dismiss this as "kardashian robbed at gunpoint in Paris" levels of bullshart, I'm just saying it's possible.

now then, has anyone seen an update this morning?  What did Shady have for breakfast, and did he walk gingerly to get the milk if it was in fact cereal?  :confused:   Shocking this hasn't yet been reported, given the track record here. 

If this all turns out to be total BS, I'd expect the league to make yet another rules change about reporting injuries like they did to address the games the Pats were playing with the weekly report. 
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That seems like a pretty convoluted plan for a game the Bills are favored to win even by Rex standards. 

The Josina report is the thing that just throws all this out of whack. If Shady does play today and looks like Shady she's gonna be the laughingstock of the media industry. 

 
packersfan said:
That seems like a pretty convoluted plan for a game the Bills are favored to win even by Rex standards. 

The Josina report is the thing that just throws all this out of whack. If Shady does play today and looks like Shady she's gonna be the laughingstock of the media industry. 
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That, and Rosenhaus coming out and seemingly corroborating it to some extent with his more doubtful than questionable comment. 

 
packersfan said:
That seems like a pretty convoluted plan for a game the Bills are favored to win even by Rex standards. 

The Josina report is the thing that just throws all this out of whack. If Shady does play today and looks like Shady she's gonna be the laughingstock of the media industry. 
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working very hard at back peddling... 

Josina Anderson ‏@JosinaAnderson  Oct 21
Josina Anderson Retweeted martin nguyen

Lesson is there. He still played on the torn hammy I reported on Wk 1 last yr & missed games later. Their risk again
Josina Anderson added,

 
Josina should be annihilated on twitter. ESPN might as well reassign her, she has 0 credibility with anyone at this point. You CANT report someone is out when a guy like me on the internet can see this was nothing more than Shady being shady.

 
gethugefast1 said:
working very hard at back peddling... 

Josina Anderson ‏@JosinaAnderson  Oct 21
Josina Anderson Retweeted martin nguyen

Lesson is there. He still played on the torn hammy I reported on Wk 1 last yr & missed games later. Their risk again
Josina Anderson added,
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That's weak. Real weak. She should just come clean now and admit she mucked up but like Mort with the Brady thing she's just gonna pretend it never happened. Weak.  

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
 Not even remotely.  She reported that according to her source, McCoy could miss up to a month. 

 Now it sounds like her source was merely her hunch based on the past injury? 

 That's weak sauce. And  coming from a guy like me, that's the worst something can be. 
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:lmao:  

made is red just for you

 
I think it's more symbolic of how desperate reporters are nowadays to be the first to break a story.  With social media so popular, they rush there the second they hear anything, regardless of whether it is true, that way if it does turn out to be true, they can claim to be the first to tweet it. 

 
VaTerp said:
Yes, she has a bit of a point.

People here are ridiculous.
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Her having a point and her lying about having a source to "scoop" a story about a big name player missing extensive time are mutually exclusive.

her point was valid. But that's not how she reported it. 

It's not ridiculous to hold journalists to a high standard of accuracy, whether it's the NFL or general news. 

 
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