JaxBill
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Well since you seem to be including college, probably more than you think.
Jeremy Maclin for one.
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LeSean McCoy traded to the Bills (1 Viewer)
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Jeremy Maclin for one.
Snotbubbles
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dcgangstas
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So in successive years the Chipper has removed the "faces of the franchise" in DeSean Jackson and LeSean McCoy. I know Shady counted $12 million against the cap and had a relatively disappointing season by his lofty standards, but he still finished 3rd in rushing and is still an elite RB. Chip believes in his system for certain, but now the Eagles have question marks at QB and RB. And if Maclin doesn't get re-signed, WR becomes an issue.
And now the chase for Mariota begins. The way Chip's going, the team should be renamed "Duck Dynasty".
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And now the chase for Mariota begins. The way Chip's going, the team should be renamed "Duck Dynasty".
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JaxBill
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GroveDiesel
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GoBirds
Footballguy
Then he should have taken a paycut from his ridiculous salary if he wanted to stay. He has no choice but to play for the Bills as no one else will pay him that money.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Looks like McCoy would have been cut anyways, how much more did you think they would get? Alonso is young and ACL injuries aren't what they used to be and his salary is nothing. What's not to like?
Mystery Achiever
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That was my 1st thought, too. These two things are incongruous to me, though I know there's been talk. If taking the "Anyone can play in my system" approach, why spend what it will take to get Mariota even if he was "your guy"?
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Snotbubbles
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He didn't release/trade those guys because of an "anyone can play in my system" approach. He's never had that approach. He wants big WRs, he's said that from day 1. "Big guys beat up on little guys". So he never had an "anyone can play in my system" approach. What he's done is change his system to the talent that he has.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Thought Thomas Davis and Demeco Ryan's have had success after multiple ACL tears. It doesn't happen too often.
massraider
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matttyl
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Snotbubbles
Footballguy
A combination of both. He came in and used a system of plays that best fit what he had at the time. As the talent around him changes, the system will morph into the type of system he eventually wants.
Andy Dufresne
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Ditkaless Wonders
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I wonder if the Bills shopped Kiko around to every team. I would be disappointed, as a Packer fan, if the Packers did not at least pursue this option some.
GoBirds
Footballguy
That's what I'm thinking, could be a good deal for both sides....although I would rather have Champ Bailey.
Insein
Footballguy
Supposed Eagles were about to cut McCoy and shopped him around. Bills took 20 mins to throw Kiko at them and said sold.
massraider
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jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Seems like a solid deal for both sides if it goes through. If McCoy refuses to report and the trade doesn't go through--seems like Philly will obviously just release him. I just wonder if that's dangerous knowing that Dallas has a solid o-line and I could see them going after McCoy if he were to hit the market. In any case--at this moment--I really think Sproles outlook just got a lot better looking fantasy wise.
JaxBill
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Bruce Arians said that he knew that McCoy was available but wasn't "the right fit." Don't know if he meant fitting the offense or fitting the cap.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Arizona has been a pretty decently run organization the past 10 or so years. Paying 10mil for any RB is pretty dumb in the todays NFL market. It's highly possible to get CJ Spiller, Shane Vereen, AD, Murray, Mark Ingram, Reggie Bush and Frank Gore all cheaper than that plus a deep rookie class. Writing certainly was on the wall for Shady, hindsight is 20/20 but it shouldn't have come as a surprise and the Bills could have just retained Spiller. Bad deal on their part just taking on McCoy's salary.
given that he was moved for an elite talent at a position of need, I'm not sure what the Packers would have been able/willing to offer in return.
Probably at least something to it, as Ladianian said yesterday McCoy told him he did not expect to return. One way or another, the Eagles were never going to pay him close to $10million this season and he was never going to take a pay cut-only a restructure but if he'd have done that any money taken off the top of this year would have just been converted to a guarantee. Something had to give in this situation, personally I believe the tweet, had they not found a trade partner they would have just cut him.
cstu
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The way it helps Buffalo is that they would never be able to sign McCoy as a free agent. Because they aren't a desirable destination they are forced to overpay to get good players. In that sense I guess it was beneficial.
Warhogs
Footballguy
I think just moving the big contract is good for the Eagles. They can be active in free agency if they want to. They may have guys they are targeting. Maybe they cleared space, added Alonso and will go after ADP or DeMarco Murray? There are a lot of RB options out there. Freeing the cap space creates a lot of opportunity.
12punch
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12punch
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Yenrub
Footballguy
I agree this deal on paper looks like it makes sense for both teams
The Bills were #3 in total defense and #5 in scoring defense last year without Kiko – so he appears to be expendable. They gain a proven RB for a coach that believes in running the rock.
The Eagles obviously didn’t want to spend a ton on the RB position so they gain cap space and a promising player on the cheap (cap wise) at a position they need help
In terms of talent and production for the next year or two it could be mutually beneficial. When considering contracts and age, this is a lopsided ### trade.
Shutout
Footballguy
You should look at the Bills D then because, yes, Philly played nice, but the Bills D was NASTY last year and had been very good for a few years now. They don't get a lot of publicity but they bring it. Philly's D isn't close.
12punch
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Shutout
Footballguy
Bills get a Rb who has led the NFl in rushing, has the sickest moves since Barry, and his career low for a season is 4.2YPC (better than the typical average of a starting RB).
Eagles get a one hit wonder coming off a torn up knee whose only NFL production came behind playing in free range behind a dominant line.
Sometimes you get what you pay for.
If this were Adrian Peterson, even at his age and salary, people would be saying "OMG! Rex has a stud RB..He's gonna be awesome!"
A great deal of this reaction is coming from A) the rarity that big name players are actually traded and B)the short-term bitterness many Shady owners from last year are remembering as their basis of Shady.
People who pay big for players and get burned love nothing more than to see those players fail. But they forget that sometimes GREAT players have down years.
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Bigboy10182000
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And sometimes they just dont look the same. There isnt a single Eagles fan who watching him the past 2 years that will tell you he looked as fast, decisive, ellusive etc from 2013 to 2014
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Didn't kiko tear his acl in college as well?
This post would have merit if he wasn't coming off of his worst season ever, after tallying 700+ touches over his last two years. If this had happened after 2013 the reaction would be much different (and for good reason). Maybe it was just a bad year, but it's just as likely that it was the start of the slide.
ChuckLiddell
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Shady is a good RB, but he is not in the same class as AP, making this comparison invalid. AP is a generational talent. A first ballot HOFer type talent (maybe not now, due to off field incidents).
Shady looked pretty average last year, playing on a real good offense behind a real good OL. $10M+ is way too much for him IMO, and I dont think its even arguable. Im not saying he isnt going to help the Bills offense, because he probably is. I am just saying to cool the jets on the AP comparisons.
His career low for a season is actually 4.1 and he's been at 4.2 twice. But other than splitting hairs if we just look at the past 3 seasons I'd say two of those seasons he was closer to what I'd label as good and not great. Last year he just seemed a bit sluggish.
If the Bills had got AP I would in fact say they got a stud RB. A RB that gives them the ability to run with power and a homerun threat, a RB that has shown he can function without great blocking or even with mediocore QB play. I don't feel that way about McCoy with the Bills. He's a significant updgrade for sure but with a bad OL and weak QB I just don't think he's the kind of chain moving RB you can rely on with the kind of consistency of a Peterson.
Snotbubbles
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ChuckLiddell
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Andy Dufresne
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cstu
Footballguy
As a huge fan of LT I know how swift the end can come - for him it was his 8th season and McCoy is entering his 7th. McCoy is still very good, but he's soon to have the highest RB salary in the league after Peterson is cut.
I've said the trade comes down to Alonso - if he's a starting LB for the Eagles the next two years it's a huge win for them, if he's not then they merely break even.
I do understand the trade from the Bills point of view - they have a great defense and a, ahem, 'uncertain' QB situation. Getting McCoy allows them to attempt to replicate the Seahawks success without relying too much on their QB. It's an interesting strategy, we'll see how it works.
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I looked this up after Paul Richardson tore his ACL for the second time. I think there were three people that came back and had careers, but only one came back and was remotely considered a "star".
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