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LHUCKS' 4th Annual FBG Rankings Critique (1 Viewer)

I think your overall analysis is pretty solid. I disagree with some and agree with others. However, you've mentioned Plummer's first year in Kubiak's offense several times and I think you are in error. You are actually quoting Denver's total offensive output for Plummer's first year. He only played in 11 games due to injury that year. Plummer played very well in that first year. His replacement did not. A 19 TD/18 Int ratio doesn't look very good. However, Plummer was actually 15/7.Not that I think it really impacts the validity of your argument that Andre Johnson is overrated. I agree with that point. I just think your reliance on Plummer's injury shortened first season in Denver is faulty.
Good catch. It's interesting. Plummer's numbers with Kubiak in his first year actually look a lot like his numbers with Kubiak in years 2-3:TD/G 2003 - 1.4TD/G 0405 - 1.4INT/G 2003 - 0.6INT/G 0405 - 0.8comp% 2003 - 63%comp% 0405 - 59%YPG 2003 - 198YPG 0405 - 233YPA 2003 - 7.2YPA 0405 - 7.6And actually Plummer's 2005 probably looks a lot more like his 2003 than his 2004. This implies to me at least that the argument about Carr's first year in Kubiak's offense doesn't really hold up.Unless you're in a league where you play with team QBs. The trend is for backup QBs in year 1 of a Kubiak offense to throw a lot of interceptions.
 
wow...91 receptions and 10 TDs will put him in an elite group.  Does that rank him in your 5-7 range?
The complete projection is 91/1100/10.I think he might drop below 10 TDs, but that was my best guess. Last year was a complete anomaly and I don't expect him to match that reception/TD ratio, but I think the extra touches will bring double digit TDs within range again. Similar to his 2003 season. I have his YPC dropping back to slightly below his average because I think he will see a bigger percentage of targets with inexperienced receivers around him, and defenses will pick up on that.

He doesn't make my 5-7 range, although I accept these numbers might enable him to reach that level. I still have (in no particular order) Harrison, Owens, R Moss, S Smith, Boldin, Fitzgerald, C Johnson and Holt ahead of him. Chambers might also beat him if Culpepper is ready, and D Jackson might make the top 10 if he plays all 16 games. But I see Ward as a reliable option with a real chance of making the top 10 or just missing.

 
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"The complete projection is 91/1100/10."

Even if you depreciate that by 10% those are good stats. An projections I agree with.

I had Ward about 83/1030/9.

 
I have to admit, after all of the Hines love being dished out here, I may re-think my position.

I doubt he'll be on any of my squads, but definitely worth taking another look at. I don't say that too often.(as many of you know)

That being said, it's hard for me to ignore his yardage totals from the previous two years. A top-notch defense almost always hinders top passing numbers.

 
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A top-notch defense almost always hinders top passing numbers.
But it's not impossible. Steve Smith and Galloway did fine with top three defenses last year.I guess it all depends on whether you see the Steelers switching to more of a passing game, or at least focusing more on Ward with Randle El gone. Even a few more passes inside the 10 would help Ward's numbers. That's possible with Bettis gone.

There's less chance of a bust with Ward than with Chambers and Jackson in my opinion.

 
A top-notch defense almost always hinders top passing numbers.
But it's not impossible. Steve Smith and Galloway did fine with top three defenses last year.I guess it all depends on whether you see the Steelers switching to more of a passing game, or at least focusing more on Ward with Randle El gone. Even a few more passes inside the 10 would help Ward's numbers. That's possible with Bettis gone.

There's less chance of a bust with Ward than with Chambers and Jackson in my opinion.
True, but Chambers and Jackson have more upside IMHO.
 
A top-notch defense almost always hinders top passing numbers.
But it's not impossible. Steve Smith and Galloway did fine with top three defenses last year.I guess it all depends on whether you see the Steelers switching to more of a passing game, or at least focusing more on Ward with Randle El gone. Even a few more passes inside the 10 would help Ward's numbers. That's possible with Bettis gone.

There's less chance of a bust with Ward than with Chambers and Jackson in my opinion.
True, but Chambers and Jackson have more upside IMHO.
I'm actually really really down on Chris Chambers (compared to everyone else), thanks to his ridiculously poor catch%. Last year it was 49%. The year before it was 50%. Before that, it was 49%, 52%, and 53.3%. There's a name for elite fantasy WRs with brutal catch%s. Terrell Owens.All jokes aside, not even Terrell Owens has as brutal of a catch% as Chambers. Owens has put up 51%, 61%, 55%, 63%, and 60.4% over the past 5 years- miles ahead of Chambers. He's also demonstrated that he's CAPABLE of catching the ball at a high rate (which Chambers has never done).

I'm prepared to eat my crow on this if it comes to it, but I think Chambers is wildly overrated in fantasy football circles.

 
A top-notch defense almost always hinders top passing numbers.
But it's not impossible. Steve Smith and Galloway did fine with top three defenses last year.I guess it all depends on whether you see the Steelers switching to more of a passing game, or at least focusing more on Ward with Randle El gone. Even a few more passes inside the 10 would help Ward's numbers. That's possible with Bettis gone.

There's less chance of a bust with Ward than with Chambers and Jackson in my opinion.
True, but Chambers and Jackson have more upside IMHO.
I'm actually really really down on Chris Chambers (compared to everyone else), thanks to his ridiculously poor catch%. Last year it was 49%. The year before it was 50%. Before that, it was 49%, 52%, and 53.3%. There's a name for elite fantasy WRs with brutal catch%s. Terrell Owens.All jokes aside, not even Terrell Owens has as brutal of a catch% as Chambers. Owens has put up 51%, 61%, 55%, 63%, and 60.4% over the past 5 years- miles ahead of Chambers. He's also demonstrated that he's CAPABLE of catching the ball at a high rate (which Chambers has never done).

I'm prepared to eat my crow on this if it comes to it, but I think Chambers is wildly overrated in fantasy football circles.
I'm with you one this one. The Miami Dolphins of 2006 could very well be the Detroit Lions of 2005 for FF purposes.
 
I'm prepared to eat my crow on this if it comes to it, but I think Chambers is wildly overrated in fantasy football circles.
:goodposting: I'm at the point where people pimping him are only continuing to do so because they ate crow for so long. Eventually they figure they might be able to say "I told ya so"...yeah a few years ago

 
LHUCKS, what are your thoughts on Antonio Bryant this year? Possibly undervalued?
So much of what Antonio does this year is going to depend on Alex Smith's maturation. I can envision something like 76/1000/4. Decent reception/yardage total but low TD numbers...very similar to last year where he'll be the best WR on the team, but the team sucks and has a young QB.

It's a shame that Bryant's talents have largely been wasted up to this point in his career. He's one of the best posession WRs in the league for my money.

 
LHUCKS, what are your thoughts on Antonio Bryant this year? Possibly undervalued?
So much of what Antonio does this year is going to depend on Alex Smith's maturation. I can envision something like 76/1000/4. Decent reception/yardage total but low TD numbers...very similar to last year where he'll be the best WR on the team, but the team sucks and has a young QB.

It's a shame that Bryant's talents have largely been wasted up to this point in his career. He's one of the best posession WRs in the league for my money.
Actually, I think that the "Smith factor" is over-rated. For one thing, Norv Turner is no fool. He's not had great luck at head coach, but as an OC he's one of the best, IMO. Besides, if Alex Smith starts tanking like he did last season, this is Trent Dilfer's team. Bryant worked with Dilfer last season in Cleveland, and now they are team-mates again.

There is more continuity here than appears on the surface. Aside from Dilfer, there is the reported strong rapport between Smith and Bryant (Norv Turner: "The person who has helped Alex more than anybody is Antonio Bryant, just by being a professional and showing the young guys." - I think you've got a can't miss, #1 NFL WR here (borderline #1 Fantasy WR, but definitely a #1 caliber talent, with a huge opportunity in front of him).

I think Bryant snags somewhere in the neighborhood of 75-80/1000-1100/7-8, regardless of which QB is slinging the ball. He's a huge value right now. Looking at the rest of the depth chart at WR, I don't see anyone else who can degrade his touches (Arnaz Battle,Brandon Williams, Bryan Gilmore?) TE's Davis and Johnson, RBs Barlow/Gore provide just enough "other" threats to keep opposing secondaries honest when it comes to pass coverage, IMO.

Once pre-season starts and Bryant is snagging a ton of balls, he'll be less of a value as he is more realistically valued in fantasy drafts - Now, one of my favorite steals.

My .02.

 
Why do you think if Smith continues to tank it they will switch to Dilfer?

They are in a rebuilding mode and will continue to do so for at least 1-2 more years, and they need to determine if Smith is their QOTF.

 
What kind of projections do you expect out of Bradford/R. Williams LHUCKS?
Bradford well projecting a static number for Bradford seems futile at best...because quite frankly nobody knows how the target distribution is going to break down.

Bradford has gotten a bad rap IMHO. He's much better than this board gives him credit for. On the other hand, Rogers and BMW are superior talents. There is something to be said for the Lions/Martz purposely going right after Bradford in free agency...that wasn't an accident.

If you put a gun to my head and asked me to project a number for Bradford I'd say something like 40/530/3. But that's not why you take a deep flier on Bradford. His upside if he starts the entire season is something like 75/1150/9 because he can hit the homerun which caters to the Mike Martz system.

In summary, projecting a static number for Bradford is useless as far as I'm concerned because there are so many unknown variables. Draft him as an upside WR late in drafts but don't reach on him...he's only worth a flier.

Reggie Williams

Reggie on the other hand I'm quite confident will have 60+ receptions if he remains healthy. The maxim around here has long been "Talent + Opportunity" and Reggie has both. His ADP will almost ensure he'll be on nearly everyone of my survivor and redraft teams. If you put a gun to my head I'd say 65/900/6, with plenty of more upside. I'm bullish on Leftwich's ability and really like William's potential. Williams is the one player that I think almost every major publication/website has totally missed the boat on.

 
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Actually, I think that the "Smith factor" is over-rated. For one thing, Norv Turner is no fool. He's not had great luck at head coach, but as an OC he's one of the best, IMO.

Besides, if Alex Smith starts tanking like he did last season, this is Trent Dilfer's team. Bryant worked with Dilfer last season in Cleveland, and now they are team-mates again.

There is more continuity here than appears on the surface. Aside from Dilfer, there is the reported strong rapport between Smith and Bryant (Norv Turner: "The person who has helped Alex more than anybody is Antonio Bryant, just by being a professional and showing the young guys." - I think you've got a can't miss, #1 NFL WR here (borderline #1 Fantasy WR, but definitely a #1 caliber talent, with a huge opportunity in front of him).

I think Bryant snags somewhere in the neighborhood of 75-80/1000-1100/7-8, regardless of which QB is slinging the ball. He's a huge value right now. Looking at the rest of the depth chart at WR, I don't see anyone else who can degrade his touches (Arnaz Battle,Brandon Williams, Bryan Gilmore?) TE's Davis and Johnson, RBs Barlow/Gore provide just enough "other" threats to keep opposing secondaries honest when it comes to pass coverage, IMO.

Once pre-season starts and Bryant is snagging a ton of balls, he'll be less of a value as he is more realistically valued in fantasy drafts - Now, one of my favorite steals.

My .02.
I love the 49ers and would love to see your projections on Bryant come true but I just don't see it happening. First of all he has never started all 16 games in hs 4 year career. He has never caught 70 passes and only broke 1000 yds for the first time last season. He scored a combined 10 TD's in the last 3 years. The 49ers only passed for 8 TD's as a team last year.As much as I'd love to be wrong here I think you are off by about 15rec/ 200yds/ and 4TD's. :(

 
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Good thread LHucks, I agree with most of your work here...particularly CJ. As good a WR as CJ is Palmer spreads the ball in that O. Housh is a very solid #2, Henry #3 and Perry a great threat out of the backfield. Early in the year the Bengals are likely to pound the ball with Rudi and save Palmer as many potential blindside hits as possible.

Call me a homer but I believe Ward is better than his ADP of WR12. Yes his reception totals were down last year and his TD totals were up...but...some big keys to him improving on last year's numbers:

1) He missed training camp last year, this set him back even caused him to miss a game due to injury.

2) The Steelers threw the fewest passes in the NFL the past two years. They won't change their identity (Run late with the lead) but their best skill players on O are now in the passing game. Their past three first round picks have all been to boost the passing game (Roethlisberger, Miller, Holmes). The 60-40 run/pass ratio they have carried the past two years is likely to creep closer to 55-45 this year. Roethlisberger has earned the right to throw more and the tough schedule will dictate it.

3) Willie Parker is hit or miss. For every long TD run there are plenty of times the Steelers will be facing 2nd and long or 3rd and long.

4) Ward did score an unusually high number of TDs in relation to catches last year. But there is reason to believe he can maintain or improve those TD numbers in 2006. The Steelers lost their top redzone threat, Bettis. The Steelers ran the ball 53 of 70 times inside their opponents 10 yard line last year, tops in the league. Without Bettis that number is likely to shift more to the pass.

5) Coverage. The Steelers had 1st year starters at RB, WR2, WR3 and TE last year. Coverages were slanted towards Ward. I expect Miller, Wilson, and even Nate Washington to be given much more respect in the passing game this year...giving Ward more opportunity to exploit match-ups.

6) Deep threat. The Steelers had no deep threat last year and Roethlisberger's thumb injury limited his deep ball. Throw in Santonio Holmes and a healthy thumb and defenses have to respect the deep ball again giving Ward more room to roam.
As a fellow pittsburgher--- great post and you saved me the time on these points...
 
1) Santana Moss #14
Pretty much agree across the board. I do have one concern with Moss.He had 10 TDs on the year.

7 TDs in 3 games.

So that's 3 TDs over 13 games. QB issues still worry me. Randle/Lloyd don't. Saunders doesn't. But that TD breakdown worries me. It's almost the same with Burress. He also had 3 big games, then disappeared for a number of weeks.

So does the QB issues or him scoring in bunches worry you?

 
1)  Santana Moss #14
Pretty much agree across the board. I do have one concern with Moss.He had 10 TDs on the year.

7 TDs in 3 games.

So that's 3 TDs over 13 games. QB issues still worry me. Randle/Lloyd don't. Saunders doesn't. But that TD breakdown worries me. It's almost the same with Burress. He also had 3 big games, then disappeared for a number of weeks.

So does the QB issues or him scoring in bunches worry you?
The QB injury issue is worthy of some concern but it's a secondary concern in my method of valuing risk.I've lowered Moss' projections this year so I'm definitely not projecting 10. With that being said, WRs with lofty YPC's like Moss often have decent TD totals so I feel fairly comfortable projecting 8-9 TDs for Moss.

I'm not expecting Moss to repeat his numbers, I'm simply stating he's value at #14.

 
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Actually, I think that the "Smith factor" is over-rated. For one thing, Norv Turner is no fool. He's not had great luck at head coach, but as an OC he's one of the best, IMO.

Besides, if Alex Smith starts tanking like he did last season, this is Trent Dilfer's team. Bryant worked with Dilfer last season in Cleveland, and now they are team-mates again.

There is more continuity here than appears on the surface. Aside from Dilfer, there is the reported strong rapport between Smith and Bryant (Norv Turner: "The person who has helped Alex more than anybody is Antonio Bryant, just by being a professional and showing the young guys." - I think you've got a can't miss, #1 NFL WR here (borderline #1 Fantasy WR, but definitely a #1 caliber talent, with a huge opportunity in front of him).

I think Bryant snags somewhere in the neighborhood of 75-80/1000-1100/7-8, regardless of which QB is slinging the ball. He's a huge value right now. Looking at the rest of the depth chart at WR, I don't see anyone else who can degrade his touches (Arnaz Battle,Brandon Williams, Bryan Gilmore?) TE's Davis and Johnson, RBs Barlow/Gore provide just enough "other" threats to keep opposing secondaries honest when it comes to pass coverage, IMO.

Once pre-season starts and Bryant is snagging a ton of balls, he'll be less of a value as he is more realistically valued in fantasy drafts - Now, one of my favorite steals.

My .02.
I love the 49ers and would love to see your projections on Bryant come true but I just don't see it happening. First of all he has never started all 16 games in hs 4 year career. He has never caught 70 passes and only broke 1000 yds for the first time last season. He scored a combined 10 TD's in the last 3 years. The 49ers only passed for 8 TD's as a team last year.As much as I'd love to be wrong here I think you are off by about 15rec/ 200yds/ and 4TD's. :(
Hey J-Rock, I read your post yesterday and have been thinking about your points for awhile. I also asked Dr. Drinen to do a query on the database regarding NFL teams that have thrown for less than 10 TDs per year (he dug out data from '72 forwards for me). I haven't yet carved out time to fully articulate the results of that query (when I do have the time it will become a full-blown article), but for the purposes of this discussion I'll limit the set to 1986-present. Find below a list of all the NFL teams since 1986 that have thrown for 10 or less TDs per season:

pho 1991 10

ind 1991 10

sea 1992 9

chi 1993 7

ind 1993 10

tam 1995 5

phi 1998 7

cin 2000 6

cle 2000 9

oak 2003 9

chi 2004 9

sfo 2005 8

Much like mutual funds, past performance is not a guarantee of future results, but what I see in the above list is the fact that no team that threw for 10 or less TDs in a season repeated that pathetic performance the following year. Indy '91 and '93 is the worst case in that set of data (they had 13 passing TDs in 1992).

We can argue about whether Alex Smith is going to be the next Jeff George (who was Indy's QB from '90-'93 before going on to modest success in Atlanta) or if he'll make big strides this season - but what is clear to me from considering the question of the SF passing game and historical data is that it is highly unlikely that the 49ers will throw for less than 10 TDs this season - and highly likely that they will significantly improve on their 2005 total of 8. Dilfer is a much more skilled QB than Tim Rattay, Ken Dorsey, and Cody Pickett, so the 49ers have a fall-back position in the event that Smith implodes again this year.

Smith has a year of experience under his belt. The coaching staff has brought in Norv Turner to address the glaring insufficiency in the passing game.

Given modest improvement (say, 16-20 passing TDs this coming season), I really believe it is realistic to project Antonio Bryant to snag 7-8 scores. If we see robust improvement, Bryant could pay huge dividends to his fantasy owners. But in any case, he's seriously undervalued as of late July, IMO.

My .02.

 
LHucks, one of the most difficult to project situations this year in my opinion is Drew Bennett and David Givins. What do you see from these two?

 
No offense but there are not 17 better fantasy WR's than Ward. No way.

The guy is super consistent every year. I also expect to see him throw a couple of Randle El like Td's.

 
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No offense but there are not 17 better fantasy WR's than Ward. No way. The guy is super consistent every year. I also expect to see him throw a couple of Randle El like Td's.
He's averaged less than 1000 yards over the past two seasons...Ward is lucky he's in my top 20. :coffee:
 
Excellent thread, but sorry, Wilford was better last year, and will be better this year (than Reggie Williams)

Williams, the ninth overall selection in 2004, has been almost nonexistent during training camp after two disappointing seasons.

http://www.fflivewire.com/Article.asp?ID=trl8460rmt9487q
Perhaps, but Williams is currently ahead of Wilford on the depth chart and he has a lower ADP.
a guy as smart as you knows that depth charts mean little in early August . . .
 
Excellent thread, but sorry, Wilford was better last year, and will be better this year (than Reggie Williams)

Williams, the ninth overall selection in 2004, has been almost nonexistent during training camp after two disappointing seasons.

http://www.fflivewire.com/Article.asp?ID=trl8460rmt9487q
Perhaps, but Williams is currently ahead of Wilford on the depth chart and he has a lower ADP.
And you have a point about the ADP, but Wilford is easily worth an 11th round pick; I think his value will go up during the preseason, especially since Jones is out . . .
 
After TO, HOLT, Harrison, S. Smith, Fitz, Boldin, C. Johnson, and maybe R. Moss, Chambers, and Wayne he is right there. Ward has avg what 980 yds. He is a lock to score near double digit td's. You have seven other people ahead of Ward which is pretty ridiculous.

 
After TO, HOLT, Harrison, S. Smith, Fitz, Boldin, C. Johnson, and maybe R. Moss, Chambers, and Wayne he is right there. Ward has avg what 980 yds. He is a lock to score near double digit td's. You have seven other people ahead of Ward which is pretty ridiculous.
I also like Ward; he got over 40 percent of his teams redzone looks last year (leading the NFL in that category) . . .
 
After TO, HOLT, Harrison, S. Smith, Fitz, Boldin, C. Johnson, and maybe R. Moss, Chambers, and Wayne he is right there. Ward has avg what 980 yds. He is a lock to score near double digit td's. You have seven other people ahead of Ward which is pretty ridiculous.
I also like Ward; he got over 40 percent of his teams redzone looks last year (leading the NFL in that category) . . .
Do you expect that to last?
 
After TO, HOLT, Harrison, S. Smith, Fitz, Boldin, C. Johnson, and maybe R. Moss, Chambers, and Wayne he is right there. Ward has avg what 980 yds. He is a lock to score near double digit td's. You have seven other people ahead of Ward which is pretty ridiculous.
I also like Ward; he got over 40 percent of his teams redzone looks last year (leading the NFL in that category) . . .
Do you expect that to last?
yes . . . assuming that the Steelers run a 2te offense in the redzone (which is probable in their run based offense) , Ward is probably the only WR on the field most of the time in the redzone . . . Miller may get a few more looks, but I don't see Ward's looks decreasing . . .
 
Excellent thread, but sorry, Wilford was better last year, and will be better this year (than Reggie Williams)

Williams, the ninth overall selection in 2004, has been almost nonexistent during training camp after two disappointing seasons.

http://www.fflivewire.com/Article.asp?ID=trl8460rmt9487q
Perhaps, but Williams is currently ahead of Wilford on the depth chart and he has a lower ADP.
As someone who ended up with Wilford and Jones in my main leauge, I am starting to think Williams will be just a s productive. He got lots of looks this week and looked just as good as the other two.
 
I have much love for Joe, David and the FBG site in general and this series of critiques by no means is intended to be an analysis of negative tone. FBG is easily the best fantasy football product available and if I didn’t respect the opinions of the staff and ownership here I wouldn’t be composing this analysis.

Here’s part III of this year’s critique series. WRs is my favorite position to analyze as I believe this is where the money is made in fantasy football. I also believe it is the easiest position to find value. I spend twice as much time on my WR analysis than I spend on any of the other positions.

Hope you enjoy and bring the rebuttle…that’s what makes it fun. :thumbsup:

OVERRATED

1) Chad Johnson #2

Chad Johnson is arguably the best WR in the game and when Palmer is 100 percent there are few better options at WR as Johnson finished #4 in WR scoring last year. But the problem doesn’t lie with Johnson’s ability or even the Bengals offense, the problem lies with the risk that Palmer could very well not play for a large portion of the season due to major knee surgery over the offseason. Yes the Bengals are declaring they think he’ll be ready for week 1, but nobody is saying Palmer WILL be ready for week one. Until then you’re not going to see me take on that kind of risk with a second round pick.

If you want a high caliber WR take Smith, Fitzgerald, Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss or Anquan Boldin. All carry decent or similar upside with less risk at this point in the offseason.

Staff With Highest Ranking: David/Joe, Brown, Baker and Grant at #1

Staff with Lowest Ranking: Hicks/Tremblay at #5 and Shick at #10 :hifive:

LHUCKS Ranking: #7

2) Hines Ward #12

I’m not sure why Hines Ward gets so much love in the ff world. He’s a nice guy? He gets the most out of his talent and is a hard worker? He played for the Superbowl champs and everybody loves a winner? Well, I’m not buying the hype of a #12 ranking and it’s not very difficult to support my claim that he’s one of the most overrated WRs in fantasy football this year.

Here are Hines’ last two years:

+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2004 pit | 16 | 7 25 3.6 1 | 80 1004 12.6 4 || 2005 pit | 15 | 3 10 3.3 0 | 69 975 14.1 11 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 127 | 50 385 7.7 1 | 574 7030 12.2 52 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+So Hines is average less than 1000 yards over the past two seasons and less than 80 receptions. Last year he did finish 10th in WR scoring but that was largely due to what I would consider an above average TD total of 11. I would average his TDs over the past two years for a more realistic TD projection of around 8. Additionally notice the relatively low number of receptions. That will hurt him in ppr formats so knock him down a few more if you’re competing in ppr formats.Hines will be a safe play if you want 1000 yards and 8 Tds, but he just doesn’t have the upside in the now conservative, run-first Steelers offense to warrant a #12 WR ranking. There are several WRs with more upside that I’d much rather have as the #12 WR off the board including the following: Driver, Roy Williams, S. Moss, Mason and Galloway.

Staff With Highest Ranking: Rudnicki, Norton and Pasquino all at #9

Staff with Lowest Ranking: Brown at #18, Wimer/Wood/Bloom at #16 :hifive:

LHUCKS Ranking: #18

3) Andre Johnson #16

A lot of owners got burned by Andre Johnson last year as they were undoubtedly enamored with his impressive athletic ability and potential opportunity as the #1 WR for the Texans. Unfortunately many didn’t consider that Carr and the offense in general could severely hamper Andre’s performance. Johnson consistently saw double and triple teams, not to mention bad pass after bad pass from David Carr. Further, Johnson suffered a number of injuries and just never quite got on track in ’05.

Here’s Johnson’s gamelog:

+----------+--------+-------------+----+| WK OPP | RSHYD | REC YD | TD |+----------+--------+-------------+----+| 1 buf | 7 | 3 18 | 0 || 2 pit | 0 | 4 20 | 0 || 4 cin | 0 | 3 38 | 0 || 5 ten | 0 | 0 0 | 0 || 9 jax | 0 | 9 91 | 0 || 10 ind | -2 | 4 42 | 0 || 11 kan | 5 | 6 50 | 0 || 12 ram | 0 | 12 159 | 1 || 13 bal | 0 | 4 70 | 0 || 14 ten | 0 | 3 27 | 0 || 15 ari | -2 | 7 51 | 0 || 16 jax | 2 | 7 119 | 1 || 17 sfo | 0 | 1 3 | 0 |+----------+--------+-------------+----+| TOTAL | 10 | 63 688 | 2 |+----------+--------+-------------+----+I notice only four games with 60 yards. Let me repeat that. Johnson only had four games with 60 yards. Now let’s look at Plummer’s first year in Kubiak’s offense:

|---------- PASSING -----------||----- RUSHING -----| TOTAL CMP ATT YD YPA TD INT ATT YD YPA TD YD 2003 280 478 3126 6.54 19 18 543 2629 4.84 20 5755I would be surprised if Carr attains these stats as he’s less accomplished and less experienced than Plummer was in his first year at Denver. It’s more common for QBs to start slow with new offenses than it is for them to start fast. It follows that Kubiak's offense just may not lend itself to lofty WR totals in year one. I like Gary Kubiak and I think Eric Moulds will help alleviate some of the coverage on Johnson, but it’s a tremendous leap of faith to expect Johnson’s numbers to merit a #16 WR ranking when you have several other players that carry significantly less risk with comparable reward including the following: Burress, Branch, Mason, Kennison and Galloway.

Staff With Highest Ranking: Bloom and Lammey at #11

Staff with Lowest Ranking: Wimer at #29 and Tremblay at #26 :hifive:

LHUCKS Ranking: #25

Honorable Mentions: Wilford, Houshmandzadeh, Curtis, Keyshawn Johnson

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UNDERRATED

1) Santana Moss #14

Last year I projected Santana to be value because his '04 YPC really stood out to me as a player that posed huge upside. Sure enough, Moss saw the targets his talent justified and he put up nearly 1500 yards which ranked him as the #3 WR...interestingly enough with a YPC similar to that of '04 ;) .

So why the sudden drop in Moss’ rank to #14? Al Saunders is the only significant change in Washington and his KC offenses have been putting up 4000+ yards passing year after year. Lloyd and Randle El are not in Santana’s class in terms of playmaking ability so I doubt you’ll see his targets decrease either…particularly if Saunders’ presence increases the offensive productivity to the level of his offenses in KC.

I see a slight decrease in YPC and perhaps a few less TDs, but Santana deserves a much higher consensus ranking for all of the previously mentioned reasons.

Staff With Lowest Ranking: Wimer #32, Levin #20

Staff With Highest Ranking: Lammey #7, Tremblay #8 :hifive:

LHUCKS Ranking: #8

2) Derrick Mason #20

Mason finished 24th among WRs in ‘05 so a ranking of #20 seems reasonable right? Not really.

Let’s take a look at Mason’s last two years with McNair at the helm:

+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2003 ten | 16 | 3 11 3.7 0 | 95 1303 13.7 8 || 2004 ten | 16 | 1 -3 -3.0 0 | 96 1168 12.2 7 |Looks like an average of about 1240 yards and 7.5 TDs. Those numbers would have been good enough to put Derrick in the top 10 last year. I believe we’ll see a return to that kind of production because McNair is simply better than Boller and the two already have a built a trust which shouldn’t be overlooked...Mason is going to get his targets. I like Mason more than a number of riskier options ranked ahead of him including the following: Reggie Wayne, Hines Ward, Andre Johnson, Javon Walker among others.

Mason ha a lot of proven reward with relatively little risk, exactly my kind of fantasy WR.

Staff With Highest Ranking: Norton #14 and Lammey #18 :hifive:

Staff with Lowest Ranking: Wimer #36 and Pasquino/Shick #25

LHUCKS Ranking: #12

3) Joey Galloway #22

Much like Moss, Galloway blew away any projection for him as he finished fifth among WRs last year. Nobody was expecting that kind of year from him and quite frankly people still believe it was somewhat of a fluke as his consensus ranking is #22. But was it really a fluke? What has changed between this year and last year that will justify ranking Galloway a full 17 spots less than where he finished last year?

Same coach, check.

Same QB, check.

Same talent, check.

Same YPC in ’05 as career average, check.

Now lets consider some of the reasons people are projecting a down year for Galloway.

1) “He’s injury prone”

Not really. Galloway has averaged close to 14 games played over the span of his career. That number would be closer to 16 had it not been for a year where he missed 15 games.

2) “If Clayton returns to form it will eat into his targets”

Actually while Clayton had his surprise rookie year, Galloway over the last handful of games put up top 10 ppg numbers. Those ppg numbers are why I drafted him in nearly all of my leagues last year. It's possible Galloway just finally found his right fit in terms of offense and chemistry. If Clayton does bounce back I expect it to have a minimal impact on Galloway’s targets. Galloway proved he was a playmaker last year and Gruden is going to find ways to get his most explosive target the ball.

I can think of a few reasons why Galloway shouldn’t be ranked #5, but I can think of many more reasons why he should be ranked higher than #22.

Staff With Highest Ranking: Tremblay and Wimer at #11 :pickle:

Staff with Lowest Ranking: Pasquino at #32, Norton/Grant at #31

LHUCKS Ranking: #14

4) Eddie Kennison #27

In the history of fantasy football I don’t know that there’s been a more disrespected player than Eddie Kennison. The guy constantly produces top 20 numbers and is constantly ranked around 30 or higher. I could’ve told you Kennison was going to make my list of undervalued WRs before the consensus rankings came out. People don’t like him. I don’t know why…maybe it’s because he doesn’t have the vertical leap of Andre Johnson or the Superbowl Trophy like Hines Ward. For whatever reason the sharks are going to be able to draft Eddie at a desirable ADP and reap the rewards. Yes the more conservative Edwards is coming in, but Edwards has already expressed a “if it aint broke don’t fix it” mentality.

Let’s take a look at Coles’ most recent two years with Herm Edwards at the helm:

+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2002 nyj | 16 | 6 39 6.5 0 | 89 1264 14.2 5 || 2005 nyj | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 73 845 11.6 5 |So if you’re concerned about Edwards effecting Eddie’s numbers you shouldn’t be. If Kennison comes even close to those reception totals he’s going to annihilate even my #19 ranking. Remember that Kennison finished as the 18th WR last year with only 68 receptions and 5 TDs. Those numbers can easily be improved upon and are not likely to dip.Once again, we’ve got proven reward with minimal risk.

Staff With Highest Ranking: David/Joe at #21 and Wimer/Tremblay at #22 :hifive:

Staff with Lowest Ranking: Norton at #40 and Baker at #35

LHUCKS Ranking: #19

5) Reggie Williams #61

Let’s start by taking a look at Reggie’s gamelog from ’05.

+----------+--------+-------------+----+| WK OPP | RSHYD | REC YD | TD |+----------+--------+-------------+----+| 1 sea | 0 | 4 41 | 0 || 2 ind | 0 | 4 38 | 0 || 3 nyj | 0 | 5 54 | 0 || 4 den | 0 | 3 22 | 0 || 5 cin | 10 | 2 41 | 0 || 6 pit | 0 | 3 50 | 0 || 8 ram | 0 | 0 0 | 0 || 9 hou | 0 | 0 0 | 0 || 10 bal | 0 | 0 0 | 0 || 11 ten | 0 | 1 9 | 0 || 12 ari | 0 | 0 0 | 0 || 13 cle | 0 | 0 0 | 0 || 14 ind | -7 | 2 25 | 0 || 15 sfo | 0 | 4 65 | 0 || 16 hou | 0 | 3 48 | 0 || 17 ten | 0 | 4 52 | 0 |+----------+--------+-------------+----+| TOTAL | 3 | 35 445 | 0 |+----------+--------+-------------+----+So in games where he started or didn’t suffer a concussion Reggie averaged about 44 yards per game and 3.5 receptions. Extrapolate that to a full season and you’re looking at 50+ receptions and roughly 700 yards. Not too bad for year two of Reggie’s career…not to mention it would crush a #61 ranking with any sort of TD production.Over the past two seasons Jacksonville has averaged 3300 passing yards ranking them in the middle of the NFL at #16, but it’s important to note that Leftwich is a young developing QB so an increase in his production is more likely than a regression. Lefty's Y/A and TD/INT ratios were at alltime highs in his third year..usually signs of an improving QB.

Most importantly Reggie is running with the first team now ahead of Wilford. Wilford’s mild success last year has provided the exact camoflauge sharks need to swoop in on Reggie as many may not realize or refuse to realize that Reggie is the likely starter in 2006. The word in Jacksonville is that Reggie has been impressing and a breakout season could be in the works. Don’t sleep on this 61st ranked WR. Reggie could be fantasy gold in ’06.

Staff With Highest Ranking: Tremblay at #31 and Smith at #46 :hifive:

Staff with Lowest Ranking: Unranked by 9 Staffers

LHUCKS Ranking: #46

Honorable Mentions: Koren Robinson, Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Michael Clayton, Corey Bradford, Cedrick Wilson, Jurevicius, Gardner

There they are. I hope you enjoy and I look foward to your responses.

:popcorn

P.S. This year I might write up my honorable mentions, but I don't get paid to do this so we'll see how much free time I have on my hands before training camps start. I'll writeup the TEs sometime within the next week.
WOW! Who could have thought that somebody could have had such an awful miss rate. Common sense says that you should be able to predict a minimum of 50% doing over/under on things. He was:0-6 for QB's

1-3-1 for RB's

Here's how he fared with WR's and here are his rankings...

Overrated:

C. Johnson (2): this is confusing as LHucks had Johnson #1 WRONG

Ward at 12: FBG's right on with this one; LHucks at #18 WRONG

A. Johnson at 16; both off, though LHucks had him at 29 WRONG

Underrated:

S. Moss @ 14: FBG's closer than LHucks on this one also WRONG

D. Mason @ 20; LHucks predicted #17 = further off WRONG

Galloway @ 22; FBG's closer again; LHucks said #16 WRONG

Kennison @ 27; FBG's closer again; LHucks @21; WRONG

R. Williams @61; FBG's and LHucks miss this one, as he has him @ #59 = push

EIGHT tidbits by LHucks here, and he missed all 8.

He went 0-7-1 for WR's

For those keeping track:

LHucks record against FBG's =

1-16-2

 
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Seems like there's some inconsistency in the 'grading' here.

I have no idea how LHucks did overall prediction-wise, but (for example) if he is 'wrong' for being off by 3 spots on Mason while being two spots better on Williams a 'push' Seems arbitrary to me.

Regardless, as was noted in the RB thread I appreciate thoughtful commentary and opinion on the players like LHucks. ANd I don't mind seing a critique of whatever people project, either, at least as long as it's done consistently and honestly rather than maliciously.

 
Now THIS is the way you critique LHUCKS' preseason picks

You do not call him out by name - and you do not "grade" him and call that a day.

:popcorn:

Regardless, much kudos to LHUCKS for putting out those critiques - he doesn't get paid to do them, and he makes an outstanding contribution to the boards in the preseaosn when he puts outhis critiques.

I love LHUCKs' posts even if I rarely agree - I think his posts are thought provoking and give you posters another perspective

 
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Overrated:C. Johnson (2): this is confusing as LHucks had Johnson #1 WRONG
Umm...reading comprehension down? LHUCKS ranked him at #7, which is well below FBG ranking and a lot closer to his actual totals. RIGHT.
R. Williams @61; FBG's and LHucks miss this one, as he has him @ #59 = push
Reggie Williams is #40 in ppg. LHUCKS said underrated. RIGHT.I am about as far from a LHUCKS supporter as you can find, but some of your comments just don't make any sense.
 
EIGHT tidbits by LHucks here, and he missed all 8.He went 0-7-1 for WR's For those keeping track:LHucks record against FBG's =1-16-2
:own3d: LHUCKS is to FBG's what Michael Irvin is to ESPN. Loud doesn't equal helpfulLHUCKS = Predictions of Champions
 
Marc,

(If it's OK with you LHucks)

Can we lock these? Doesn't seem they get bumped for any useful reason and they'd still be readable.

 
I think I've discovered the reason for my absyml ff record this year...I listened to Lhucks on WRs and Levin/SSOG on RBs. My team of Bush, Dayne, Mason, Moss, Kennison is a trainwreck.

 

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