Liberal Intolerance (1 Viewer)

[Gary Coal Man]

There was a good Politico article today on the role that Soros plays in funding and shaping the Democrat Party and the modern Left.  

It won't give the smoking gun that Tim is looking for, but it's interesting nonetheless.

Soros bands with donors to resist Trump, 'take back power'

Major liberal funders huddle behind closed doors with Pelosi, Warren, Ellison, union bosses, to lick wounds, retrench.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/democrats-soros-trump-231313

 

[Gr00vus]

There was a good Politico article today on the role that Soros plays in funding and shaping the Democrat Party and the modern Left.  

It won't give the smoking gun that Tim is looking for, but it's interesting nonetheless.

Soros bands with donors to resist Trump, 'take back power'

Major liberal funders huddle behind closed doors with Pelosi, Warren, Ellison, union bosses, to lick wounds, retrench.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/democrats-soros-trump-231313

Dodds posted this twice above already.

I didn't think it was some surprise that Soros backs Democrats. He's been doing it for a while now.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

Dodds posted this twice above already.

I didn't think it was some surprise that Soros backs Democrats. He's been doing it for a while now.

Oh, my bad.  Should have scrolled up.  

I agree that it's known that Soros funds Leftist organizations.  But if you know that Soros funds Leftist organizations and you know those organizations are currently recruiting people to participate in these post-election protests/riots, then why is it so difficult for people to admit that Soros is helping fund the ongoing anti-Trump protests?

Seems like a clear case of 2+2=4.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Whether Soros or someone else, paying people to protest (and bussing them to the city of choice) is lame to say the least.  When it turns bad, it should be prosecuted as inciting a riot:

https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/npo/5873440989.html

Especially when the media goes out of their way to cover it.  

I lie this footage of the busses:  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-13/blocks-anti-trump-protest-buses-caught-tape

Fake protests don't deserve media coverage.  Especially when this same media completely ignored the real protests outside of the DNC.

I called the number in the ad just to get an idea of what they are doing. I had a nice lengthy discussion with a gentleman there who gave me most of the details. They offer full time positions (or part time) and the job title is street canvassers. Their role includes going to events and educating people on some of the open issues that people may not be aware of. The pay is $10 an hour and the incentives add up to another $4-5. This actually sounds like a great opportunity for cstu as well as a pay raise. 

The toughest part was when I got off the phone having to explain to my wife what the hell I was up to. She was helping my daughter with homework in the kitchen while I made the call from our smaller library and heard my side of the conversation. 

 

[Gary Coal Man]

I called the number in the ad just to get an idea of what they are doing. I had a nice lengthy discussion with a gentleman there who gave me most of the details. They offer full time positions (or part time) and the job title is street canvassers. Their role includes going to events and educating people on some of the open issues that people may not be aware of. The pay is $10 an hour and the incentives add up to another $4-5. This actually sounds like a great opportunity for cstu as well as a pay raise. 

The toughest part was when I got off the phone having to explain to my wife what the hell I was up to. She was helping my daughter with homework in the kitchen while I made the call from our smaller library and heard my side of the conversation. 

 

[Boston]

Between people like Soros, Hollywood and Wall Street it seems like the dems are doing a great job with the wealthy demographic...

 

[Blick]

Post-Election Self-Care

The response to the shock has been to turn campuses into kindergarten. The University of Michigan Law School announced a ”post-election self-care” event with “food" and "play,” including “coloring sheets, play dough (sic), positive card-making, Legos and bubbles with your fellow law students.” (Embarrassed by the attention, UM Law scrubbed the announcement from its website, perhaps concerned that people would wonder whether its graduates would require Legos and bubbles in the event of stressful litigation.)

 

[timschochet]

George Soros is the right wing answer to Comrade Snowball- everything that goes wrong is his scheming fault. 

The real George Soros is a Holocaust survivor and one of the world's great humanitarians, who arguably played a bigger role in defeating Communism and ending the Cold War than did Ronald Reagan. 

 

[sublimeone]

George Soros is the right wing answer to Comrade Snowball- everything that goes wrong is his scheming fault. 

The real George Soros is a Holocaust survivor and one of the world's great humanitarians, who arguably played a bigger role in defeating Communism and ending the Cold War than did Ronald Reagan. 

good grief

 

[timschochet]

good grief

Look it up if you don't believe me. His company introduced capitalism into Hungary and speeded the downfall. 

And his humanitarianism is incredible. A few years ago he gave 100 million to Human Rights Watch

 

[sublimeone]

Look it up if you don't believe me. His company introduced capitalism into Hungary and speeded the downfall. 

And his humanitarianism is incredible. A few years ago he gave 100 million to Human Rights Watch

Yeah, I know all about Soros and how he used these catastrophes to manipulate currency and plunder countries out of billions. He's not a good guy Tim. Do a little more investigating. Pretty sure he's been convicted of insider trading as well. He may pose as a philanthropist but it's all for power and he's used that power to make himself filthy rich.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Tim asking for sources for other people's broad statements and then making some broad statements with no sources is always good schtick. 

 

[Gary Coal Man]

Here's another good example in the spirit of this thread.  Instead of Liberal intolerance, this time it's a Democratic strategist's tolerance of violent hate crime attacks so long as they're against one particular group:

Dem Strategist Mocks Trump Supporter Beat Up By Mob: ‘Oh My Goodness, Poor White People!’

Former press secretary to Bernie Sanders and Democratic strategist Symone Sanders mocked and dismissed a Donald Trump supporter who was beat up by a Chicago mob on CNN Monday because he was white.

Sanders took on Trump for his comments Sunday that his supporters should stop committing hate crimes in his name, saying he needed to go further. “The audacity of privileged white people to sit on national television and question if hate crimes are happening, to just flippantly say ‘stop it, it’s not okay,’ and not put any action behind those words, it’s appalling to me. It’s actually appalling.”

Trump supporter Carl Higbie retorted that there was violence on both sides, and that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama hadn’t bothered to denounce the violence at anti-Trump rallies. “I’m sorry, hate crimes and protesting are not the same things…” Sanders responded. “A hate crime is a crime that is committed against somebody because of their religion, because of what they look like, because of their sexual orientation. That’s not the same thing as protesting.”

“What do you say to the people who dragged a poor white guy out of a car and beat him?” asked Higbie.

“Oh my goodness, poor white people! Please!” she responded. “Oh my– stop. Stop, Carl.”

Full article (with video of the mockery)

And for those unfamiliar with the violent attack that the Dem strategist is dismissing and mocking, here's the video of the attack.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Here's another good example in the spirit of this thread.  Instead of Liberal intolerance, this time it's a Democratic strategist's tolerance of violent hate crime attacks so long as they're against one particular group:

Dem Strategist Mocks Trump Supporter Beat Up By Mob: ‘Oh My Goodness, Poor White People!’

Former press secretary to Bernie Sanders and Democratic strategist Symone Sanders mocked and dismissed a Donald Trump supporter who was beat up by a Chicago mob on CNN Monday because he was white.

Sanders took on Trump for his comments Sunday that his supporters should stop committing hate crimes in his name, saying he needed to go further. “The audacity of privileged white people to sit on national television and question if hate crimes are happening, to just flippantly say ‘stop it, it’s not okay,’ and not put any action behind those words, it’s appalling to me. It’s actually appalling.”

Trump supporter Carl Higbie retorted that there was violence on both sides, and that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama hadn’t bothered to denounce the violence at anti-Trump rallies. “I’m sorry, hate crimes and protesting are not the same things…” Sanders responded. “A hate crime is a crime that is committed against somebody because of their religion, because of what they look like, because of their sexual orientation. That’s not the same thing as protesting.”

“What do you say to the people who dragged a poor white guy out of a car and beat him?” asked Higbie.

“Oh my goodness, poor white people! Please!” she responded. “Oh my– stop. Stop, Carl.”

Full article (with video of the mockery)

And for those unfamiliar with the violent attack that the Dem strategist is dismissing and mocking, here's the video of the attack.

Deplorable 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

George Soros is the right wing answer to Comrade Snowball- everything that goes wrong is his scheming fault. 

The real George Soros is a Holocaust survivor and one of the world's great humanitarians, who arguably played a bigger role in defeating Communism and ending the Cold War than did Ronald Reagan. 

You didn't type this with a straight face, did you?

 

[timschochet]

You didn't type this with a straight face, did you?

Damn right I did. 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Damn right I did. 

You're the strangest iPerson I've ever iMet.

 

[Eephus]

Soros is rich and powerful and his opponents have every right to be suspicious of political influence wielded by he and other dark money donors.  But it's ridiculous to use Soros' name in an attempt to delegitimize the protests happening in the blue cities.  Pictures of buses, yellow signs and Craiglist ads don't signal the work of Soros-funded agent provocateurs.  This tactic has been tried as far back as the civil rights and Vietnam protests when orders were supposedly beamed in directly from Moscow.

If Soros was the all-powerful New World Order bugbear than he's made out to be, he could do a lot worse than hiring buses.  Have you ever participated in a street demonstration for any political cause?  They're less organized than a toddler's birthday party.  Each participating faction has their own political ax to grind and a lot of people are just joining in along the route.  But as disorganized and unfocused as they are now, they symbolize the real anger and fear among the other half of the country and will continue as the GOP provides more concrete issues to protest against.

 

[Loan Sharks]

George Soros is the right wing answer to Comrade Snowball- everything that goes wrong is his scheming fault. 

The real George Soros is a Holocaust survivor and one of the world's great humanitarians, who arguably played a bigger role in defeating Communism and ending the Cold War than did Ronald Reagan. 

Wow. Did he pay people to riot against Communism as well? I had no idea that it was so effective to sow civil unrest to topple governments.

 

[soothsayer]

More than half of those arrested during Portland, OR protests did not vote.

Oops

 

[Opie]

Do the Trump Supporters have a green light to blame everything on Obama for the next 7.5 years?

 

[wormburner]

Do the Trump Supporters have a green light to blame everything on Obama for the next 7.5 years?

Let's hope not.

Although, Reagan's been dead for how long now?

I will say this:  If we have another 9/11ish type catastrophe and it's later determined the terrorists entered the country while border security was non-existent, there's going to be hell to pay for somebody.

 

[Gr00vus]

while border security was non-existent, there's going to be hell to pay for somebody.

Are you saying we have zero boarder security right now?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

More than half of those arrested during Portland, OR protests did not vote.

Oops

OR went for Hillary so their state so it did not matter.  The same thing when the tea baggers protested in state like Alabama. 

 

[wormburner]

Are you saying we have zero boarder security right now?

Zero?  No.  Are you saying illegals are not continuing to flow into the country, and have been doing so for the better part of 8 years?

BTW, can somebody tell me what happened to the Morons who voted for Trump thread?

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

while border security was non-existent

Dates for this? 1/20/2009 - 1/19/2017?

 

[Gr00vus]

Zero?  No.  Are you saying illegals are not continuing to flow into the country, and have been doing so for the better part of 8 years?

I wasn't saying anything, I was just trying to get clarification on your statement "while border security was non-existent" to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding you.

But since you ask, obviously data tells us illegals are entering the country.

And I'll add (and this will get me in trouble with some I'm sure) I don't think illegal immigrants are in the top 10 of problems we have in the U.S. right now. Further, their ability to get low paying jobs is actually a symptom of a top 10 problem in the U.S. - corporate manipulation/exploitation/dominance of the U.S. (and world) economy to the detriment of labor everywhere (regardless of legal or illegal citizenship status).

 

[wormburner]

I wasn't saying anything, I was just trying to get clarification on your statement "while border security was non-existent" to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding you.

But since you ask, obviously data tells us illegals are entering the country.

Got it, sounded like a bit of a challenge.     I'm hoping for two things on this. One, that Trump limits his immigration policy to more thorough vetting and not closing America to immigrants (sounds like he's softened his campaign rhetoric already).  Two, that we avoid Europe's dilemma of having had terrorists slip in with refugees.

Edit to admit that initially saying "while border security was virtually non-existent" would have been better.

 

[Dickies]

Zero?  No.  Are you saying illegals are not continuing to flow into the country, and have been doing so for the better part of 8 years?

BTW, can somebody tell me what happened to the Morons who voted for Trump thread?

Funny you pick 8 years as the timeline that illegals have been flowing into the country.  They have been flowing in much longer than that, spanning multiple presidencies.  

 

[Loan Sharks]

Do the Trump Supporters have a green light to blame everything on Obama for the next 7.5 years?

Well he is already getting blamed for violence on Obamas watch, does he get some sort of time bonus? 

 

[Loan Sharks]

Funny you pick 8 years as the timeline that illegals have been flowing into the country.  They have been flowing in much longer than that, spanning multiple presidencies.  

Wow thanks, illegal immigration has been going on that long? It is a much bigger problem that I thought. Thank goodness we have a president who can have a conversation about it. 

 

[Dickies]

Wow thanks, illegal immigration has been going on that long? It is a much bigger problem that I thought. Thank goodness we have a president who can have a conversation about it. 

Yea, it'll be a bummer when he is gone in a few months.

 

[wormburner]

Funny you pick 8 years as the timeline that illegals have been flowing into the country.  They have been flowing in much longer than that, spanning multiple presidencies.  

Yes, that is true.  Makes you wonder why the border has not been secured by now, and who is most responsible for dragging their feet.

 

[Gr00vus]

Yes, that is true.  Makes you wonder why the border has not been secured by now, and who is most responsible for dragging their feet.

You can start with businesses that profit from the cheap labor provided through illegal immigrants.

 

[Dickies]

Yes, that is true.  Makes you wonder why the border has not been secured by now, and who is most responsible for dragging their feet.

I do agree with you that it's a problem, but there is no easy answer, and I don't think anyone is necessarily "dragging their feet."  It's a complex problem that isn't going to be solved by building a wall and deporting 11 million people.

 

[wormburner]

You can start with businesses that profit from the cheap labor provided through illegal immigrants.

That is a good starting point.  But, as they are not our law makers, I'd say there is a distinction between their influence and our elected official's negligence.

 

[Gr00vus]

That is a good starting point.  But, as they are not our law makers, I'd say there is a distinction between their influence and our elected official's negligence.

So, more and/or more stringent regulation to discourage such business practices?

 

[wormburner]

I do agree with you that it's a problem, but there is no easy answer, and I don't think anyone is necessarily "dragging their feet."  It's a complex problem that isn't going to be solved by building a wall and deporting 11 million people.

We've done nothing since 1986.  This is unfair both to the American people and the illegals caught in the middle.

 

[wormburner]

So, more and/or more stringent regulation to discourage such business practices?

We tried that with the Simpson-Mazzoli Act in 1986.  Big business prevailed, elected officials failed, AND the promise made to Reagan by the opposition party to enforce immigration laws at the border (not build a wall) in exchange for his signature was not kept.  So, here we are, 11-15 million people later.

 

[Gr00vus]

We tried that with the Simpson-Mazzoli Act in 1986.  Big business prevailed, elected officials failed, AND the promise made to Reagan by the opposition party to enforce immigration laws at the border (not build a wall) in exchange for his signature was not kept.  So, here we are, 11-15 million people later.

And how would things be different this time?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

There is some good conservative intolerance in the Koya thread. 

 

[GrandpaRox]

OR went for Hillary so their state so it did not matter.  The same thing when the tea baggers protested in state like Alabama. 

But it affects the popular vote. 

 

[GrandpaRox]

Are you saying we have zero boarder security right now?

Catch and release, kind of like with fish. So no not really.

 

[Gr00vus]

Catch and release, kind of like with fish. So no not really.

How many incidences of previously deported people re-entering the U.S. are there per year?

 

[wormburner]

And how would things be different this time?

I don't know.  I'm hoping Trump recognizes the importance of establishing policies that can survive when he leaves office.  True immigration reform would be an awesome platform to prove his critics wrong.  Also, I hope the Democrat Party understands the message of the 2010 midterms, holding the fort in 2012, the historic midterms of 2014 and the equally staggering Republican sweep of 2016.  The Dems have paid a high price for Obama's policy of standing down at the border.  This is a great opportunity for both sides to seek a win-win policy.  But, with all that's in the news this past week, I'm not giving 7:1 odds that this will happen. 

 

[matuski]

Catch and release, kind of like with fish. So no not really.

You want to catch and hold every illegal alien?

 

[matuski]

I don't know.  I'm hoping Trump recognizes the importance of establishing policies that can survive when he leaves office.  True immigration reform would be an awesome platform to prove his critics wrong.  Also, I hope the Democrat Party understands the message of the 2010 midterms, holding the fort in 2012, the historic midterms of 2014 and the equally staggering Republican sweep of 2016.  The Dems have paid a high price for Obama's policy of standing down at the border.  This is a great opportunity for both sides to seek a win-win policy.  But, with all that's in the news this past week, I'm not giving 7:1 odds that this will happen. 

As I said in the other thread.  People say they want tougher enforcement on immigration right up until it happens.  This has been demonstrated.

 

[GrandpaRox]

You want to catch and hold every illegal alien?

Coming over the border illegally, yes. Or send them back. You do know what catch and release is per immigration I assume and you were just be foolish.

 

[matuski]

Coming over the border illegally, yes. Or send them back. You do know what catch and release is per immigration I assume and you were just be foolish.

What is your alternative to catching and deporting?

 

[GrandpaRox]

Yea, it'll be a bummer when he is gone in a few months.

Can't we keep blaming him for at least his first term like Obama did Bush?