Ministry of Pain
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**Lions at Bucs** (+3, 42.5) "Creamsicle Bowl" 4:25 (1 Viewer)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
thanks MoP
get in here @Grahamburn
it’s time for The Airing of the Grievances
actually some pretty memorable games from back in NFC Central days.
will be back later to reminisce & post clips.
get in here @Grahamburn
it’s time for The Airing of the Grievances
actually some pretty memorable games from back in NFC Central days.
will be back later to reminisce & post clips.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I was at this game. Charlie Batch was not good but James Stewart had 3 TDs.
gump
Footballguy
I was at this game....the move Barry put on Lynch was right in front of me (at 1:44 mark)...will never forget it.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
See you there!
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Damn. 6 already?! Time really does fly.
Been to many Lions’ games as I’d say they’ve always been a second favorite team for me. Calvin Johnson was my favorite non-Buc of all time. He killed us in week 1 2011 with a pair of TDs. God that game was hot. Fans heading into the concourse to get out of the sun. Brutal.
Capella
Footballguy
Turning 6 on Thursday. And then we are having our second on Friday. It flies by and we all have to appreciate the moments.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Creating lifelong memories is one of the best things a dad can do. Grateful my butthole father got that part right lol. So many memories from Tiger Stadium & the Silverdome. One thing I’ve passed on to BL Jr who is doing that with his daughters now.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Worse than I remember. He could probably show up Sunday and still gash us for 100+ and a TD.I was at this game....the move Barry put on Lynch was right in front of me (at 1:44 mark)...will never forget it.
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Capella
Footballguy
Yea I truly do not have much of a relationship with my old man but he did take me to Bucs games when I was younger and those were some of my fondest memories. Weird he got that right and so much other stuff wrong.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I’ll consider myself lucky then. My Dad got the Bucs’ part and the father part right.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Haha felt that.
Mine has been gone for 7 years and I’m at peace with the whole thing. Still have a gazillion fond memories of growing up with my siblings and an awesome mom. Overall **** that guy but it is what it is. Good life lesson to break that chain.
Capella
Footballguy
Hell yea you are. And that’s what I’m going to do with my two boys.
Capella
Footballguy
Glad you still have fond memories. So do I with others.
I often tell people in a weird way it was good (??? Not the right word) that he was an alcoholic and abusive bc it taught me I didn’t want to be that way. So I guess he taught me something after all.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I’m here to talk about feelings not football!!
Capella
Footballguy
Should be a fun game to watch.
Lions are who we thought they were.
Bucs are better than who we thought they were.
Always liked Goff,thought he was piled on unfairly.
Was never a fan of Mayfield but I'll gove him some props this year,He's got the Bucs offense playing well.
I think The Lions are a better team overall but The Bucs at home are hard to pass by.
The Egyptian Sun God is trending inn a positive direction to play,but Super Sam is dinged up.
Mike Evans getting on the field would be big for The Bucs.
For the season I like The Lions more,but for this Sunday I'll go...
Handy Dandy Creamsicle Pirates- 27
Detroit Lions Blue- 23
Lions are who we thought they were.
Bucs are better than who we thought they were.
Always liked Goff,thought he was piled on unfairly.
Was never a fan of Mayfield but I'll gove him some props this year,He's got the Bucs offense playing well.
I think The Lions are a better team overall but The Bucs at home are hard to pass by.
The Egyptian Sun God is trending inn a positive direction to play,but Super Sam is dinged up.
Mike Evans getting on the field would be big for The Bucs.
For the season I like The Lions more,but for this Sunday I'll go...
Handy Dandy Creamsicle Pirates- 27
Detroit Lions Blue- 23
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
What is all this wholesome crap? Let’s get some trash talking going.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
That is so awesome that you are taking your son.Turning 6 on Thursday. And then we are having our second on Friday. It flies by and we all have to appreciate the moments.
He will remember these events the rest of his life.
I can remember every game I went to with my dad in the old Orange Bowl in Miami
Capella
Footballguy
The Bucs have won the Lions division more recently than the Lions have lol. The last time they played in that division was 2001.
(Most of my family is in Michigan so we’ve been going back and forth all week)
Capella
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Lions are going to get run out of the C.I.T.S. on Sunday
That's Community Investment Tax Stadium also known as Ray Jay
The Lions are going from turd indoors to natural grass, yes they beat KC Week 1 but Tampa is a different kind of sod
The field at the New Sombrero is changed out more often than any other stadium in America, look it up
Tom's Sod I think is the one who is responsible for this field
-Did I say turd? I meant turf
Friday Morning prediction
Bucs hand the Lions a big loss after their 4-1 start. Baker is awarded a key to the New Sombrero so he can once again start filming Progressive Commercials
That's Community Investment Tax Stadium also known as Ray Jay
The Lions are going from turd indoors to natural grass, yes they beat KC Week 1 but Tampa is a different kind of sod
The field at the New Sombrero is changed out more often than any other stadium in America, look it up
Tom's Sod I think is the one who is responsible for this field
-Did I say turd? I meant turf
Friday Morning prediction
Bucs hand the Lions a big loss after their 4-1 start. Baker is awarded a key to the New Sombrero so he can once again start filming Progressive Commercials
Detroit has the most complete offense in the NFL.
- A beast of an OL.
- Goff running the offense at an elite level.
- Monty is a beast at RB
- Amon-Ra and Reynolds as two of the most reliable WR in the NFL.
- LaPorta emerging as a top 3 TE in the league, the best RAC TE in the league.
- Jamo with super human speed who takes the top off of any defense.
As long as the Lions defense can get a few stops, and with their DL they will, the Lions are going to win. DET 34, TB 20.
- A beast of an OL.
- Goff running the offense at an elite level.
- Monty is a beast at RB
- Amon-Ra and Reynolds as two of the most reliable WR in the NFL.
- LaPorta emerging as a top 3 TE in the league, the best RAC TE in the league.
- Jamo with super human speed who takes the top off of any defense.
As long as the Lions defense can get a few stops, and with their DL they will, the Lions are going to win. DET 34, TB 20.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Shawtup
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
You shawtup too
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Old Kings of the Southron are gonna knock off the New Kings of the North? I don’t think so. You and what army?
Hey it’s the annual Salute to Heroes / Military Appreciation month; maybe see if the Marine Corps 3rd division is deployed rn. They recently finished UNITAS, might have some free time to help you out.
I see your 282 pound DT 1st round pick is healthy again. I triple dog dare you to throw him in there against a Ragnow (PFF #2 C) and Glasgow (PFF #2 G) double team.
Let’s see what happens.
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Welp OK serious analysisfree of sarcasm.
Baker is playing well. Which is probably hard for some narrow minded linear thinking FFers to understand but it’s a system he’s comfortable in. In the battle of former overall number ones who have disappointed, Baker is in the lead by a country mile. Back here in reality, both are playing at a high level. Goff is the #1 graded PFF QB but credit to Mayfield he’s displaying great leadership and getting it donedown.
Detroit has some obvious advantages such as an elite OL versus a front 7 struggling to stop the run, and a defensive front that is stout against the run and pretty pretty good at getting pressure, sacks, QB hits, and generating occasional turnovers.
Evans and Godwin are still great players. Mike is dealing with a hammy but Bowles says he’s a full go for Sunday.
Brian Branch missing another game is impactful. To date NMU* has been a real thing but it’s taking a toll - almost two dozen players have missed games and 6 guys have suffered season ending injuries.
*Next Man Up is not just an idiom in G R I T town
Tampa Bay still has talented defensive players. With Gibbs and possibly LaPorta out, Ben Johnson will have to adjust. Which he will.
I have immense respect for Todd Bowles defensive acumen. I’m not sure he has enough horses though. Not even sure he’s a good HC but he has mastered one side of the ball. [But schematically Todd v Ben is bringing a knife to a gunfight. Could be wrong and I’ll eat my humble pie if I am but this ain’t your momma’s Lions]
Bucs will not be able to run the ball. McNeil and Buggs are a nightmare.
I could see TB hanging around and keeping it close. Detroit isone pretty good at closing out games. But if it’s back n forth and every FG looms large, big advantage to the Florida team. Anything over 45 is shaky for the Lions.
I think scheme and unit cohesiveness prevail; the better team will be win. But it’s gong to be a tough, nasty challenge.
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typos…typos everywhere
also that second part was not as promised sarcasm-free
Hey it’s the annual Salute to Heroes / Military Appreciation month; maybe see if the Marine Corps 3rd division is deployed rn. They recently finished UNITAS, might have some free time to help you out.
I see your 282 pound DT 1st round pick is healthy again. I triple dog dare you to throw him in there against a Ragnow (PFF #2 C) and Glasgow (PFF #2 G) double team.
Let’s see what happens.
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Welp OK serious analysis
Baker is playing well. Which is probably hard for some narrow minded linear thinking FFers to understand but it’s a system he’s comfortable in. In the battle of former overall number ones who have disappointed, Baker is in the lead by a country mile. Back here in reality, both are playing at a high level. Goff is the #1 graded PFF QB but credit to Mayfield he’s displaying great leadership and getting it done
Detroit has some obvious advantages such as an elite OL versus a front 7 struggling to stop the run, and a defensive front that is stout against the run and pretty pretty good at getting pressure, sacks, QB hits, and generating occasional turnovers.
Evans and Godwin are still great players. Mike is dealing with a hammy but Bowles says he’s a full go for Sunday.
Brian Branch missing another game is impactful. To date NMU* has been a real thing but it’s taking a toll - almost two dozen players have missed games and 6 guys have suffered season ending injuries.
*Next Man Up is not just an idiom in G R I T town
Tampa Bay still has talented defensive players. With Gibbs and possibly LaPorta out, Ben Johnson will have to adjust. Which he will.
I have immense respect for Todd Bowles defensive acumen. I’m not sure he has enough horses though. Not even sure he’s a good HC but he has mastered one side of the ball. [But schematically Todd v Ben is bringing a knife to a gunfight. Could be wrong and I’ll eat my humble pie if I am but this ain’t your momma’s Lions]
Bucs will not be able to run the ball. McNeil and Buggs are a nightmare.
I could see TB hanging around and keeping it close. Detroit is
I think scheme and unit cohesiveness prevail; the better team will be win. But it’s gong to be a tough, nasty challenge.
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typos…typos everywhere
also that second part was not as promised sarcasm-free
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
DETROIT LIONS
Final injury report - Week 6
Final injury report - Week 6
| Player | Position | Injury | Wed | Thu | Fri | Game Status |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Brian Branch | CB | Ankle | DNP | DNP | DNP | out |
| Jahmyr Gibbs | RB | Hamstring | DNP | DNP | DNP | out |
| Jonah Jackson | G | Ankle | DNP | DNP | DNP | out |
| Bam Knight | RB | Shoulder | DNP | DNP | DNP | out |
| James Mitchell | TE | Hamstring | DNP | DNP | DNP | out |
| Emmanuel Moseley | DB | Knee | DNP | DNP | DNP | out |
| Joshua Paschal | DE | Knee | (-) | (-) | LP | out |
| Khalil Dorsey | DB | Illness | FP | FP | FP | questionable |
| Sam LaPorta | TE | Calf | (-) | DNP | LP | questionable |
| Teddy Bridgewater | QB | Not Injury Related - Personal | (-) | (-) | DNP | unspecified |
| Taylor Decker | OT | Ankle | LP | FP | FP | unspecified |
| Frank Ragnow | C | Toe/Resting Player | FP | DNP | FP | unspecified |
| Amon-Ra St. Brown | WR | Abdomen | LP | FP | FP | unspecified |
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
Final injury report - Week 6
Not too bad.
Will Barrett or David play?
Final injury report - Week 6
| Player | Position | Injury | Wed | Thu | Fri | Game Status |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jamel Dean | DB | Neck/Shoulder | FP | FP | FP | (-) |
| SirVocea Dennis | LB | Hamstring | FP | FP | FP | (-) |
| Mike Evans | WR | Hamstring | DNP | LP | FP | (-) |
| Luke Goedeke | OT | Calf | LP | FP | FP | (-) |
| Calijah Kancey | DT | Calf | FP | FP | FP | (-) |
| Ryan Neal | FS | Concussion | FP | FP | FP | (-) |
| Anthony Nelson | LB | Concussion | FP | FP | FP | (-) |
| Derrek Pitts | CB | Hamstring | FP | FP | FP | (-) |
| Devin White | LB | Foot | FP | FP | FP | (-) |
| Shaquil Barrett | LB | Illness | (-) | DNP | DNP | Questionable |
| Lavonte David | OLB | Rest | (-) | (-) | DNP | (-) |
Not too bad.
Will Barrett or David play?
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I was at that game as well. Good times.I was at this game....the move Barry put on Lynch was right in front of me (at 1:44 mark)...will never forget it.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lions, even with their banged up OL (always the case lol) is 6th in pressures allowed.
Bucs are 3rd lowest.
Aidan Hutchinson is tied with Maxx Crosby for the most pressures, but keep in mind he's had 30 more true pass rush sets. #97 plays more snaps than any other elite edge rusher.
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Team PFF Grades:
OVERALL Detroit 90.3 (3rd) Tampa Bay 71.6 (20th)
Bucs are 3rd lowest.
Aidan Hutchinson is tied with Maxx Crosby for the most pressures, but keep in mind he's had 30 more true pass rush sets. #97 plays more snaps than any other elite edge rusher.
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Team PFF Grades:
OVERALL Detroit 90.3 (3rd) Tampa Bay 71.6 (20th)
- OFF DET 84.2 (3rd) TB 72.0 (12th)
- PASS Det 88.6 (1st) TB 72.3 (14th)
- PASS BLK Det 74.4 (5th) TB 76.3 (1st)
- RECV 77.3 (3rd) 71.6 (12th)
- RUN Det 77.2 (11th) TB 75.4 (12th)
- RUN BLK Det 72.5 (4th) TB 52.2 (25th)
- DEF Det 77.3 TB 63.5 (24th)
- RDEF Det 75.6 (3rd) 44.4 (32nd)
- TACK Det 57.3 (18th) 58.2 (16th)
- PRSH Det 70.8 (19th) TB 73.6 (11th)
- COV Det 77.1 TB 68.1 (17th)
- SPEC Det 69.0 (21st) TB 55.3 (31st)
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Nothing better than a classic NFC Norris division showdown!
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Kancey played week 1, but only had 11 snaps before aggravating his calf injury from training camp. If he’s a full go he could make Goff’s life in the pocket miserable with lightning quick interior pressure.
I think this comes down to Baker’s performance. Can he exploit Detroit’s dinged up secondary?
Bucs should be fully healthy after their bye. And, we’re talking about the lie-downs here. Every win is more pressure. They’re due to drop one to quiet the “contender” chatter.
I think this comes down to Baker’s performance. Can he exploit Detroit’s dinged up secondary?
Bucs should be fully healthy after their bye. And, we’re talking about the lie-downs here. Every win is more pressure. They’re due to drop one to quiet the “contender” chatter.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
renewal of the NFC Central rivalry! loving it, and it's pretty special the Bucs are busting out everyone's favorite color from the NFL palette.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The Seattle game I believe the Lions were minus 3. That of course was their only loss.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Huge fan of Kancey, wanted Detroit to snipe him at 1.18 (note to non-fanatics of the teams, TB had the 1.19.) But we got ourselves a nice MLB consolation prize. I think the big question remaining for Kancey is will he be able to succeed solely as a designated pass rusher? He doesn't have the play strength to be an every down IDL and while his college tape was special it wasn't like he was doing it in the SEC.
He's on a learning curve process but #46 ILB Jack Campbell should see increased snaps this week. That's what MCDC said they intended to do, and this administration (the whole retooled org) has made transparency a central tenet of the new culture they have built. One day Jack will be the MLB wearing the green dot helmet, but the first five weeks of his career has seen a plethora of deployments. One week he's dropping off to pick up WRs on crossers, the next week he's rushing from the OLB/ED positions, the next week he's stuffing ball carriers. He has made his share of mistakes - in the most recent game he gave up a TE touchdown to Tremble and later committed a red zone illegal contact penalty that gave the Panthers a fresh set. There have been a few bright spots and you catch a glimmer of what he'll be, but for the most part it's been this avante garde experiment of let's see if the rook can handle a whole other set of packages this week. Frankly I don't know what his role will be the remainder of 2023 but they are "pleased with where he is at", whatever that means.
Baker is mostly underneath and in the flats this year. I'll post the pasing pressure, concepts and depth stats for both QBs in a moment. EDIT - No I won't be able to copy pasta bc I forgot PFF encodes their tables and the formatting won't carry over. But the obvious mismatch is Evans on (presumably) #23 Jerry Jacobs. I'm not aware if Tampa Bay flips their WRs but I can look it up. #1 Cam Sutton does not travel. He almost always lines up at LCB and Jacobs at RCB, and 100% of snaps is the norm for both. S and Slot CB are a bit up in the air still with Branch out but for Bucs fans, when you see #25 in a white jersey you should smile bc Will Harris can't cover ****. If you see #6 Ifeatu Melifonwu it will be a little harder; the 2021 3rd rounder is finally showing up after a series of injuries. At Safety #21 Tracy Walker III and #31 Kerby Joseph are playing at a high level. We miss CJGJ but it was not a fatal blow.
I'm glad you guys are healthy. We have been seeing a lot of mid-week injuries but MCDC says it's always a balance trying to figure out pads/no pads or go hard / 7-on-7 run throughs. Detroit has pretty intense practices but bc the HC and many of the staff are former players they def have the players health in the forefront of their minds. Really unfortunate what has been happening but I don't blame the coaching staff. It's a violent game and injuries are a normal part of the NFL and competition in general.
Detroit carries itself well. They are confident in what they can do, believe 100% in the vision and trust the position coaches are putting them in a position to win the individual battles. But they are kind of a humble team. They chirp a lot but mostly it's hyping each other up. They know how hard it is to win one game in the NFL. Every week is a test, a new challenge, and it you don't put in the work you'll get your *** handed to you by a lesser team. There are no easy outs. But they have learned how to persevere through adversity and how to close out games. They. do. not. care. if you march down the play in 10 5-7 yard increments, bc they know on play 11 the ball might come out or they intercept and everything swings the other way. They are tough physically and they grind it out mentally. It is a battle of wills and they think want it more, it's just a matter of convincing the other team by continually beating the hell out of them.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
alright, abbreviated version of comparing the QB matchup; I don't have the time or patient to copy all the data so here are the highlights:
Baker Mayfield 1st pick of the 2018 NFL draft
Overall Stats
Passing Pressure
Overall Stats
Passing Pressure
Baker Mayfield 1st pick of the 2018 NFL draft
Overall Stats
- 141 drop backs
- 87-125 69.6%
- 882 yards
- 7 TDs 2 INT
- 3 Big Time Throws 2.3% | 4 Turnover Worthy Plays 2.7%
- 8.1 ADoT
- 3 dropped passes on target
- 3 batted balls 7 throwaways 0 Hit As Thrown
- 46 pressures 4 sacks 8.7% P2S%
- 2.90 Time To Throw
- 12 Scrambles
- NFL passer rating 101.5
Passing Pressure
- KEPT CLEAN
64-90-71.1%-548-4-2 1 BTT 3 TWP 92.3 - UNDER PRESSURE
23-35-65.7%-334-3-0 2 BTT 1 TWP 125.2 - NOT BLITZED
60-86-69/8%-508-4-2 1 BTT 4 TWP 90.6 - WHEN BLITZED
27-39-69.2%-374-3-0 2 BTT 0 TWP
- PLAY ACTION
25-41-61.0-313-2-1 1 BTT 1 TWP - NO PLAY ACTION
62-84-73.8%-569-5-1 2 BTT 3 TWP - SCREEN
10-11-90.9%-33-0-0 0 BTT 0 TWP - NO SCREEN
77-114-67.5%-849-7-2 3 BTT 4 TWP
- Deep (20+)
4-12-33.3%-2-0 2 BTT 0 TWP - Medium (10-19)
15-28-53.6%-0-2 1 BTT 3 TWP - Short (0-9)
48-53-90.6%-5-0 0 BTT 1 TWP - Behind LOS
20-22-90.9%-0-0 0 BTT 0 TWP
Overall Stats
- 168 drop backs
- 111-159 69.8%
- 1264 yards
- 9 TDs 3 INT
- 9 Big Time Throws 5.5% | 3 Turnover Worthy Plays 1.7%
- 7.4 ADoT
- 3 dropped passes on target
- 4 batted balls 7 throwaways 1 Hit As Thrown
- 57 pressures 7 sacks 12.3% P2S%
- 2.58 Time To Throw
- 2 Scrambles
- NFL passer rating 104.4
Passing Pressure
- KEPT CLEAN
83-110-75.5%-938-7-1 7 BTT 1 TWP - UNDER PRESSURE
28-49-57.1%-326-2-2 2 BTT 2 TWP - NOT BLITZED
79-106-74.5%-949-8-1 6 BTT 1 TWP - WHEN BLITZED
32-53-60.4%-315-1-2 3 BTT 2 TWP
- PLAY ACTION
34-45-75.6%-451-5-0 0 BTT 0 TWP - NO PLAY ACTION
77-114-67.5%-813-4-3 9 BTT 3 TWP - SCREEN
15-19-78.9%-70-0-0 0 BTT 0 TWP - NO SCREEN
96-140-68.6%-1194-9-3 9 BTT 3 TWP
- Deep (20+)
11-16-68.8%-2-1 5 BTT 1 TWP - Medium (10-19)
20-29-69.0%-4-1 4 BTT 1 TWP - Short (0-9)
61-78-72.0%-3-1 0 BTT 1 TWP - Behind LOS
19-23-69.2%-0-0 0 BTT 0 TWP
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The Panthers had 10 1st downs on their final two meaningless 75 yard TD drives. Twice in the 4th Q Detroit stretched their lead to 25 and Carolina responding by bringing it back to 18. Their first two drives of the half in the 3rd were 3 n out.
Detroit had 4 TDs in their first 5 drives; all 3 Carolina turnovers resulted in a short field TD (20, 38, 31.) Once the game was firmly in their grasp Aaron Glenn switched to a softer coverage and Bryce hit a lot of underneath routes.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Yup. Beautiful here right now.
FairWarning
Footballguy
But he is 2-0 on the road, both on grass surfaces.
I do like TB here, home dog coming off a bye.
The Lions have historically been a home team and have been miserable on the road. Goff seems impacted by being on the road and weather conditions. That said, their last three road games have been two wins against GB and one win vs. KC. The Lions are finally a really good team, and hopefully their road woes will be a thing of the past. We will see, they laid a fee turds on the road last season.
FairWarning
Footballguy
If they sweep the remaining home games and go 5-4 on the road - thats a 12-5 season.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
seems low
Detroit has won 6 of their last 7 road games (at CHI, at NYG, at NYJ, at CAR, at GB, at KC, at GB.)
Our toughest games are on the road....Dallas, TB, LAC, and Balt. We could lose those, but we should be favored in 3 of them. I am optimistic that we can get to 14 wins.
