List of players to be suspended - Fox radio in Denver. (2 Viewers)

[Interseptopus]

Deuce McAllister (NO)

Will Smith (NO)

Donte Whitner (BUF)

Leon Washington (NYJ)

Warrick Dunn (TB)

Jason Ferguson (MIA)

Eddie Royal (DEN)

Ben Utecht (CIN)

Malcolm Floyd (SD)

Dawan Landry (BAL)

Cornelius Griffen (WAS)

Didn't see this anywhere.

He would have been about my 50th guess on the Bucs.

In a way it makes perfect sense. How else do you expect a 5'9" RB to last 12 years in the NFL?

Terrible post, terrible swipe at a model citizen who buys homes for single moms every year, sure he can afford it but so can a ton of players and they don't do it. Dunn is not on steroids, this rash of roids is obviouly due to something out of the ordinary like these water pills or whatever folks have been sucking down. Dunn weighs 185, he is not a steroid guy and I think this post deserved a comeback. I think if you were to know more about Dunn that you wouldn't be so reckless in your post. If you were joking, let me the first to tell you that you missed the mark. Sorry Scooter

Being on steroids does not mean you look like David Boston. It means you recover faster, your body repairs itself better, and performs better.Steroids taken in moderation will accomplish the above. Steroids taken in excess will result in Barry Bonds

I can definitely see Dunn being a candidate for this. He has lasted very long in the NFL for someone of his size.

However, no one has come out and said this is steroids. I believe what I've read was that it was a weight loss pill with some additives that are banned by the NFL- possibly linked to masking steroids

 

[Cookiemonster]

I could be wrong, but I thought you had to already be in the league program before being suspended. They don't publicize the first infraction because the only consiquence is entering the program and being tested more often. I'm pretty sure this is the way it used to be done, whether Goodell changed it is anyones guess. If I am correct, some of these players may not get suspended.Would appreciate anyone with knowledge of the NFL drug policy setting me straight if I'm wrong.

I think that is the case for banned substances (weed, coke) but steroid/performance enhancers are more serious. I could be wrong too, but off the top of my head, I think they can face a 4 game susp. for this.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

I could be wrong, but I thought you had to already be in the league program before being suspended. They don't publicize the first infraction because the only consiquence is entering the program and being tested more often. I'm pretty sure this is the way it used to be done, whether Goodell changed it is anyones guess. If I am correct, some of these players may not get suspended.

Would appreciate anyone with knowledge of the NFL drug policy setting me straight if I'm wrong.

You actually have the policy right for recreational drugs. For performance enhancing drugs and masking agents, the policy is much stricter. I was able to find more info here.Basically, a player testing positive is subject to an immediate 4 game suspension. An example earlier this year is Jesse Chatman, who as I recall did not appeal. A player testing positive for a masking agent (in this case the water pill), is treated the same as if that player tested positive for a performance enhancing drug. My understanding is that as soon as the appeals process is completed, assuming the appeal is denied, these players will be immediately suspended.

 

[coolnerd]

I'm a little puzzled.I thought I saw some quote that most of the guys on the list were BIG guys looking to lose weight so they took the diuretic. Most of these guys listed here are RB, DB, and receivers.

A couple of possibilities in my mind. Smaller guys whose job is to play with speed, but are prone to gaining weight could use them to stay at a size to use thier speed to its best advange. A smaller guy who has the opposite problem keeping on weight, could be using this as masking for steriods.( On this secend one, I remember when the last round of wrestlers were busted the list was mostly smaller types.)

 

[Interseptopus]

I'm a little puzzled.I thought I saw some quote that most of the guys on the list were BIG guys looking to lose weight so they took the diuretic. Most of these guys listed here are RB, DB, and receivers.

A couple of possibilities in my mind. Smaller guys whose job is to play with speed, but are prone to gaining weight could use them to stay at a size to use thier speed to its best advange. A smaller guy who has the opposite problem keeping on weight, could be using this as masking for steriods.( On this secend one, I remember when the last round of wrestlers were busted the list was mostly smaller types.)

This is true, now I remember that certain diuretics can be used as masking agents for steroids

 

[big_donkey]

Deuce McAllister (NO)

Will Smith (NO)

Donte Whitner (BUF)

Leon Washington (NYJ)

Warrick Dunn (TB)

Jason Ferguson (MIA)

Eddie Royal (DEN)

Ben Utecht (CIN)

Malcolm Floyd (SD)

Dawan Landry (BAL)

Cornelius Griffen (WAS)

Didn't see this anywhere.

He would have been about my 50th guess on the Bucs.

In a way it makes perfect sense. How else do you expect a 5'9" RB to last 12 years in the NFL?

Terrible post, terrible swipe at a model citizen who buys homes for single moms every year, sure he can afford it but so can a ton of players and they don't do it. Dunn is not on steroids, this rash of roids is obviouly due to something out of the ordinary like these water pills or whatever folks have been sucking down. Dunn weighs 185, he is not a steroid guy and I think this post deserved a comeback. I think if you were to know more about Dunn that you wouldn't be so reckless in your post. If you were joking, let me the first to tell you that you missed the mark. Sorry Scooter

 

[Interseptopus]

Deuce McAllister (NO)

Will Smith (NO)

Donte Whitner (BUF)

Leon Washington (NYJ)

Warrick Dunn (TB)

Jason Ferguson (MIA)

Eddie Royal (DEN)

Ben Utecht (CIN)

Malcolm Floyd (SD)

Dawan Landry (BAL)

Cornelius Griffen (WAS)

Didn't see this anywhere.

He would have been about my 50th guess on the Bucs.

In a way it makes perfect sense. How else do you expect a 5'9" RB to last 12 years in the NFL?

Terrible post, terrible swipe at a model citizen who buys homes for single moms every year, sure he can afford it but so can a ton of players and they don't do it. Dunn is not on steroids, this rash of roids is obviouly due to something out of the ordinary like these water pills or whatever folks have been sucking down. Dunn weighs 185, he is not a steroid guy and I think this post deserved a comeback. I think if you were to know more about Dunn that you wouldn't be so reckless in your post. If you were joking, let me the first to tell you that you missed the mark. Sorry Scooter

That is hardly a "terrible swipe"All he did was point out that he's a very small RB, small RBs don't last long in the NFL. Therefore it makes sense he would be using steroids after this comes out. He's not calling out his moral character, just his NFL character. Him being on steroids doesn't take away any of the homes he bought for anyone... nor does buying homes for single moms give him the okay to go use steroids.

The fact is he tested positive for a banned substance linked to masking steroid use. He may have been using steroids. Just because he buys homes doesn't mean he'd never cheat the system to try and extend his career. He was using a substance banned by the NFL. Guilty. Maybe his 4 game suspension will allow him to go check out the housing market (now there is a swipe)

 

[Moniker]

While there is still no confirmation of the names on the list, it would help explain both the announced signing of WR Chad Jackson by Denver and the promotion of RB Clifton Smith by the Bucs (other than taking Dexter Jackson's KR/PR duties).

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I think that is the case for banned substances (weed, coke) but steroid/performance enhancers are more serious. I could be wrong too, but off the top of my head, I think they can face a 4 game susp. for this.

Stroud got 4 games for 1st offense.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Wow, I'd be shocked if Donte Whitner was busted for performance enhancers.

 

[fruity pebbles]

This list hasnt been confirmed anywhere and has questionable beginnings as well. Also interesting that both Charles Grant and Bryan Pittman are confirmed to have tested positive but neither is on this list.

 

[mannybeingmanny]

That's some noticeable fantasy impact there. Downgrade everyone on the list, of course, and upgrade:Starters with less competition:Thomas JonesBrandon MarshallSome SD WRSecond-stringers getting a chance:Earnest GrahamPierre ThomasAaron SteckerDarrell Jackson

I wouldn't say that Graham is the second string back here. He stepped up for the team and moved to FB becasue of injuries but is still putting up some good fantasy numbers. If Dunn is suspended, I think Graham becomes a stud RB in the TB offense.

 

[bucsbaby]

Between the injuries and suspensions this year, they might need to pull guys off the street to play pretty soon

 

[Tecmo]

The problem with Roids is the reward of a big contract with a good signing bonus greatly outweighs the risk of a 4-game suspension. Go produce stats for 1-yr and your name is known and chances are you will get paid. League needs to get harsher imo

 

[Moe Green]

Count me in as another not buying the Dunn allegation.

 

[Dt's Mules]

Deuce McAllister (NO)

Will Smith (NO)

Donte Whitner (BUF)

Leon Washington (NYJ)

Warrick Dunn (TB)

Jason Ferguson (MIA)

Eddie Royal (DEN)

Ben Utecht (CIN)

Malcolm Floyd (SD)

Dawan Landry (BAL)

Cornelius Griffen (WAS)

Didn't see this anywhere.

He would have been about my 50th guess on the Bucs.

In a way it makes perfect sense. How else do you expect a 5'9" RB to last 12 years in the NFL?

Terrible post, terrible swipe at a model citizen who buys homes for single moms every year, sure he can afford it but so can a ton of players and they don't do it. Dunn is not on steroids, this rash of roids is obviouly due to something out of the ordinary like these water pills or whatever folks have been sucking down. Dunn weighs 185, he is not a steroid guy and I think this post deserved a comeback. I think if you were to know more about Dunn that you wouldn't be so reckless in your post. If you were joking, let me the first to tell you that you missed the mark. Sorry Scooter

if he's on the list, he deserves examination...it does make some sense as steroids are often more about recovery than growth and someone his age could need that benefit.I'm not saying he did or didn't but it does make some sense.

And when did being a good person preclude you from using/abusing steroids or using/abusing steroids make you a bad person?

 

[Anon]

ESPN

According to the ESPN report there are 4 confirmed, Deuce, Will Smith, Charles Grant, and Bryan Pittman, out of a total of 8 cases.

 

[Bills Fan]

I may be biased here, and I sincerely hope it is not true, but Whitner could be the most significant loss with repect to their teams on this list.

 

[FFdork]

I could be wrong, but I thought you had to already be in the league program before being suspended. They don't publicize the first infraction because the only consiquence is entering the program and being tested more often. I'm pretty sure this is the way it used to be done, whether Goodell changed it is anyones guess. If I am correct, some of these players may not get suspended.

Would appreciate anyone with knowledge of the NFL drug policy setting me straight if I'm wrong.

I'm pretty sure what you're referring to is for other drugs. I think steroids (and presumably masking agents for them) are an automatic 4 game the first time.Now, that being said, IF there is an explanation such as an ingredient that wasn't listed on the bottle of something legit the players were taking (I heard someone on ESPN throw this out-- have no idea where they were getting the info/speculation), I can see the league making an exception or a reduced penalty.

If Dunn really is one of the players, I'm inclined to think that there is some kind of explanation. Not that good guys don't make mistakes, but I'd be pretty surprised if he was doing something shady.

 

[FFdork]

ESPN

According to the ESPN report there are 4 confirmed, Deuce, Will Smith, Charles Grant, and Bryan Pittman, out of a total of 8 cases.

It's pretty much season over for the Saints if those guys all get 4 games suspensions.

 

[cvnpoka]

That's some noticeable fantasy impact there. Downgrade everyone on the list, of course, and upgrade:Starters with less competition:Thomas JonesBrandon MarshallSome SD WRSecond-stringers getting a chance:Earnest GrahamPierre ThomasAaron SteckerDarrell Jackson

this is not good for marshall.

 

[thehornet]

That's some noticeable fantasy impact there. Downgrade everyone on the list, of course, and upgrade:Starters with less competition:Thomas JonesBrandon MarshallSome SD WRSecond-stringers getting a chance:Earnest GrahamPierre ThomasAaron SteckerDarrell Jackson

this is not good for marshall.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

Need some insider info as to who the other players are. Also, when the 4-game suspensions start would be critical. I'd hate to sell Eddie Royal for peanuts now, only to find out that A) he isn't one of the guys that gets suspended, or B) the suspensions don't become effective until week 17 and then carry over for 3 games in 2009.

Let's get those FBG investigative reporters on the trail of this story...

 

[fruity pebbles]

Need some insider info as to who the other players are. Also, when the 4-game suspensions start would be critical. I'd hate to sell Eddie Royal for peanuts now, only to find out that A) he isn't one of the guys that gets suspended, or B) the suspensions don't become effective until week 17 and then carry over for 3 games in 2009.Let's get those FBG investigative reporters on the trail of this story...

He may or may not be on the list, i personally doubt it, but this list posted here is bogus. Pittman and Grant arent even on it for one thing and there has been no mention of several of the others who are.

 

[Anon]

Need some insider info as to who the other players are. Also, when the 4-game suspensions start would be critical. I'd hate to sell Eddie Royal for peanuts now, only to find out that A) he isn't one of the guys that gets suspended, or B) the suspensions don't become effective until week 17 and then carry over for 3 games in 2009.Let's get those FBG investigative reporters on the trail of this story...

He may or may not be on the list, i personally doubt it, but this list posted here is bogus. Pittman and Grant arent even on it for one thing and there has been no mention of several of the others who are.

The original Denver area reporter also stated there are no Denver players on the list. The list being quoted here, is questionable at best. There are no confirmations, none of the players on it mentioned in any new media reports. Without at least some confirmation from somewhere i am very skeptical.

 

[doogiej]

That's some noticeable fantasy impact there. Downgrade everyone on the list, of course, and upgrade:Starters with less competition:Thomas JonesBrandon MarshallSome SD WRSecond-stringers getting a chance:Earnest GrahamPierre ThomasAaron SteckerDarrell Jackson

this is not good for marshall.

Yeah, we all saw how bad he was last year without E.Royal and Jackson.

 

[Tau837]

On NFL Countdown this morning, Mort said the following:

1. In this situation, the rules clearly state that the process (including appeals) must be resolved no later than when 4 games remain in the regular season.

2. The Saints players were taking a supplement that does not show the name of the banned substance on its label. Because of this, their attorneys are considering suing the manufacturer, among other extreme measures.

3. NFL policy states that NFL players are responsible for what they put in their bodies, no excuses. If they have a question, they are supposed to take a substance to their trainer, who has the ability to have the substance tested. Presumably, that did not happen here, and thus an appeal is unlikely to be successful.

ETA: Mort said all names are not confirmed, but he mentioned 3 names: McAllister, Will Smith, and Charles Grant.

 

[mr blond]

Deuce McAllister (NO)

Will Smith (NO)

Donte Whitner (BUF)

Leon Washington (NYJ)

Warrick Dunn (TB)

Jason Ferguson (MIA)

Eddie Royal (DEN)

Ben Utecht (CIN)

Malcolm Floyd (SD)

Dawan Landry (BAL)

Cornelius Griffen (WAS)

Didn't see this anywhere.

He would have been about my 50th guess on the Bucs.

In a way it makes perfect sense. How else do you expect a 5'9" RB to last 12 years in the NFL?

Terrible post, terrible swipe at a model citizen who buys homes for single moms every year, sure he can afford it but so can a ton of players and they don't do it. Dunn is not on steroids, this rash of roids is obviouly due to something out of the ordinary like these water pills or whatever folks have been sucking down. Dunn weighs 185, he is not a steroid guy and I think this post deserved a comeback. I think if you were to know more about Dunn that you wouldn't be so reckless in your post. If you were joking, let me the first to tell you that you missed the mark. Sorry Scooter

Assuming a professional football player is not on steroids because he weighs 185 and is a model citizen is just as bad as assuming these pending suspensions are for steriods, and not water pills or something else.

 

[Cookiemonster]

On NFL Countdown this morning, Mort said the following:1. In this situation, the rules clearly state that the process (including appeals) must be resolved no later than when 4 games remain in the regular season.2. The Saints players were taking a supplement that does not show the name of the banned substance on its label. Because of this, their attorneys are considering suing the manufacturer, among other extreme measures.3. NFL policy states that NFL players are responsible for what they put in their bodies, no excuses. If they have a question, they are supposed to take a substance to their trainer, who has the ability to have the substance tested. Presumably, that did not happen here, and thus an appeal is unlikely to be successful.ETA: Mort said all names are not confirmed, but he mentioned 3 names: McAllister, Will Smith, and Charles Grant.

So, these guys are not out for another couple weeks, at least. Right?

 

[captbly]

Need some insider info as to who the other players are. Also, when the 4-game suspensions start would be critical. I'd hate to sell Eddie Royal for peanuts now, only to find out that A) he isn't one of the guys that gets suspended, or B) the suspensions don't become effective until week 17 and then carry over for 3 games in 2009.Let's get those FBG investigative reporters on the trail of this story...

He may or may not be on the list, i personally doubt it, but this list posted here is bogus. Pittman and Grant arent even on it for one thing and there has been no mention of several of the others who are.

The original Denver area reporter also stated there are no Denver players on the list. The list being quoted here, is questionable at best. There are no confirmations, none of the players on it mentioned in any new media reports. Without at least some confirmation from somewhere i am very skeptical.

I hope thats the case...I cant lose Royal

 

[Rovers]

Deuce McAllister (NO)

Will Smith (NO)

Donte Whitner (BUF)

Leon Washington (NYJ)

Warrick Dunn (TB)

Jason Ferguson (MIA)

Eddie Royal (DEN)

Ben Utecht (CIN)

Malcolm Floyd (SD)

Dawan Landry (BAL)

Cornelius Griffen (WAS)

Didn't see this anywhere.

He would have been about my 50th guess on the Bucs.

In a way it makes perfect sense. How else do you expect a 5'9" RB to last 12 years in the NFL?

Terrible post, terrible swipe at a model citizen who buys homes for single moms every year, sure he can afford it but so can a ton of players and they don't do it. Dunn is not on steroids, this rash of roids is obviouly due to something out of the ordinary like these water pills or whatever folks have been sucking down. Dunn weighs 185, he is not a steroid guy and I think this post deserved a comeback. I think if you were to know more about Dunn that you wouldn't be so reckless in your post. If you were joking, let me the first to tell you that you missed the mark. Sorry Scooter

Posting something that was reported by a news outlet... is a terrible post? The TS only stated what he heard on Denver radio. You want to get yer drawers all bunged, complain to the radio station, don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Project Mayhem]

Glazer added Grady Jackson, Kevin Williams and Pat Williams, sorry if that was already posted...

 

[cutler6]

Glazer added Grady Jackson, Kevin Williams and Pat Williams, sorry if that was already posted...

Yep. Would be huge hit to Minny Dhttp://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/26/...cs-results-too/

 

[AnonymousBob]

Any updates?

 

[Mikey16x]

Glazer added Grady Jackson, Kevin Williams and Pat Williams, sorry if that was already posted...

Can't find a link but I'm pretty sure the Williams guy's both got cleared. They are actually using this to maintain a playable weight. Can't find a link but I'm 100% I heard it.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Deuce McAllister (NO)

Will Smith (NO)

Donte Whitner (BUF)

Leon Washington (NYJ)

Warrick Dunn (TB)

Jason Ferguson (MIA)

Eddie Royal (DEN)

Ben Utecht (CIN)

Malcolm Floyd (SD)

Dawan Landry (BAL)

Cornelius Griffen (WAS)

Didn't see this anywhere.

He would have been about my 50th guess on the Bucs.

In a way it makes perfect sense. How else do you expect a 5'9" RB to last 12 years in the NFL?

Terrible post, terrible swipe at a model citizen who buys homes for single moms every year, sure he can afford it but so can a ton of players and they don't do it. Dunn is not on steroids, this rash of roids is obviouly due to something out of the ordinary like these water pills or whatever folks have been sucking down. Dunn weighs 185, he is not a steroid guy and I think this post deserved a comeback. I think if you were to know more about Dunn that you wouldn't be so reckless in your post. If you were joking, let me the first to tell you that you missed the mark. Sorry Scooter

For the record I would put Deuce McAllister in the same mold. Both Dunn and Mcallister are very honorable guys that do a lot for people outside football. Its a shame if its true.

 

[TidesofWar]

Between the injuries and suspensions this year, they might need to pull guys off the street to play pretty soon

Might need to think about pulling somebody off the street to play Commish for a while - and usher Roger the Dodger into a timeout to think

 

[-baller]

it's a shame if what's true -- he's using diet pills or diuretics??

damn, you hold a pretty high standard.

is this jesus?

 

[big_donkey]

Deuce McAllister (NO)

Will Smith (NO)

Donte Whitner (BUF)

Leon Washington (NYJ)

Warrick Dunn (TB)

Jason Ferguson (MIA)

Eddie Royal (DEN)

Ben Utecht (CIN)

Malcolm Floyd (SD)

Dawan Landry (BAL)

Cornelius Griffen (WAS)

Didn't see this anywhere.

He would have been about my 50th guess on the Bucs.

In a way it makes perfect sense. How else do you expect a 5'9" RB to last 12 years in the NFL?

Terrible post, terrible swipe at a model citizen who buys homes for single moms every year, sure he can afford it but so can a ton of players and they don't do it. Dunn is not on steroids, this rash of roids is obviouly due to something out of the ordinary like these water pills or whatever folks have been sucking down. Dunn weighs 185, he is not a steroid guy and I think this post deserved a comeback. I think if you were to know more about Dunn that you wouldn't be so reckless in your post. If you were joking, let me the first to tell you that you missed the mark. Sorry Scooter

For the record I would put Deuce McAllister in the same mold. Both Dunn and Mcallister are very honorable guys that do a lot for people outside football. Its a shame if its true.

Only 2 players (Duece & Smith) on the OP's list have been named so far. The OP's list was way off. He was just posting what he heard, but the source he got the list from was wrong. Maybe something will come out in the future about other players, but I questioned the valdity of that list as soon as I saw Dunn's name on it.