Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (3 Viewers)

[Jim11]

Interesting comment from the owner of Red's BBQ joint on their facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/TheOriginalRedsBbq/

There are not just "coloreds" burning our business down... It is AMERICANS. it was an effect of anger. We are deeply saddened, but understand the passion of this situation. Seek more information than what CNN and FOX is telling you.

Thoughts?

They had good insurance.

 

[SIDA!]

Rockaction - that is some crazy talk!



We're supposed to just sit and accept bull#### statements from elected leaders and police chiefs about how they were unable to protect our businesses and property from looters when they had weeks to prepare. I guess the National Guard is only deployed one weekend a month...

No. We vote them out of office for being incompetent at handling their responsibilities.

That is brilliant. You would rather wait until after a once in a lifetime event for politicians and bureaucrats to screw up so you can then vote them out of office? That vote is going to help make you whole, eh?

 

[Henry Ford]

Watching the interview with Wilson. Just admitted Brown was 35-40 feet away when he shot him. Hope that was a bad edit.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Rockaction - that is some crazy talk!



We're supposed to just sit and accept bull#### statements from elected leaders and police chiefs about how they were unable to protect our businesses and property from looters when they had weeks to prepare. I guess the National Guard is only deployed one weekend a month...

No. We vote them out of office for being incompetent at handling their responsibilities.

That is brilliant. You would rather wait until after a once in a lifetime event for politicians and bureaucrats to screw up so you can then vote them out of office? That vote is going to help make you whole, eh?

Not as whole as putting a couple of holes in someone, but it will have to do.

 

[Bucky86]

Watching the interview with Wilson. Just admitted Brown was 35-40 feet away when he shot him. Hope that was a bad edit.

oof...

 

[Jim11]

Who the heck uses the term "coloreds?" It's the most wishy-washy racist term I could think of, next to Orientals.

Even a Chinese-American friend of mine didn't know "Oriental" was taboo and that the accepted term was "Asian". His wife informed him of that a number of years ago. He doesn't care.

 

[SIDA!]

Interesting comment from the owner of Red's BBQ joint on their facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/TheOriginalRedsBbq/

There are not just "coloreds" burning our business down... It is AMERICANS. it was an effect of anger. We are deeply saddened, but understand the passion of this situation. Seek more information than what CNN and FOX is telling you.

Thoughts?

You're a paranoid fool that compensates for your short comings in life with the fantasy of being put into a situation where you can rightfully pull that trigger and take another person's life.

You gleamed that from the copying and pasting of a quote by the owner of a looted business. That was impressive.

Ideas get gleaned. Cubes get gleamed.

LOL...thanks for the spelling correction, "Chef". Last time I checked, the "n" was right next to the "m" on a standard keyboard.

Where's the 'I'?

Ask Dane Cook.

 

[Mister Martie]

Who the heck uses the term "coloreds?" It's the most wishy-washy racist term I could think of, next to Orientals.

Even a Chinese-American friend of mine didn't know "Oriental" was taboo and that the accepted term was "Asian". His wife informed him of that a number of years ago. He doesn't care.

Cool story, bro.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Interesting comment from the owner of Red's BBQ joint on their facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/TheOriginalRedsBbq/

There are not just "coloreds" burning our business down... It is AMERICANS. it was an effect of anger. We are deeply saddened, but understand the passion of this situation. Seek more information than what CNN and FOX is telling you.

Thoughts?

You're a paranoid fool that compensates for your short comings in life with the fantasy of being put into a situation where you can rightfully pull that trigger and take another person's life.

You gleamed that from the copying and pasting of a quote by the owner of a looted business. That was impressive.

Ideas get gleaned. Cubes get gleamed.

LOL...thanks for the spelling correction, "Chef". Last time I checked, the "n" was right next to the "m" on a standard keyboard.

Where's the 'I'?

Ask Dane Cook.

All of this and Dane Cook links?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Watching the interview with Wilson. Just admitted Brown was 35-40 feet away when he shot him. Hope that was a bad edit.

oof...

also said Brown placed one hand in his waist band and clenched his other hand into a fist and charged him....why would he place his hand in his pants and run like that? Holding his pants up ? Wilson was implying he may have had a weapon in the waistband thus justifying deadly force

 

[Gary Coal Man]

also said Brown placed one hand in his waist band and clenched his other hand into a fist and charged him....why would he place his hand in his pants and run like that? Holding his pants up ? Wilson was implying he may have had a weapon in the waistband thus justifying deadly force

His penis is so big he needs to prevent jiggle action while running. I run the same way.

 

[mcintyre1]

A protester was hit by a car in Minneapolis about an hour ago:

http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/283891941.html

 

[jplvr]

Watching the interview with Wilson. Just admitted Brown was 35-40 feet away when he shot him. Hope that was a bad edit.

oof...

also said Brown placed one hand in his waist band and clenched his other hand into a fist and charged him....why would he place his hand in his pants and run like that? Holding his pants up ? Wilson was implying he may have had a weapon in the waistband thus justifying deadly force

It's a shame this guy had to die just because his pants were saggin.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Good arguments were made last night as to why Wilson was not indicted , and why, had this gone to trial he wouldn't have been convicted.

But that doesn't mean that he's innocent of wrongdoing. I continue to have a feeling that Wilson could have avoided shooting Michael Brown to death and chose not to.

That's because you know nothing about law enforcement training and how susceptible police officers are when confronted by overly-aggressive suspects. If you're dealing with someone irrational there's no time to talk nice. If a suspect is charging you, it's either you or him. No time to aim for a knee. I wish everyone could see the video I had the displeasure of seeing where a knife wielding assailant charged an officer with an aimed gun who wasted the just over 3 seconds it took the suspect to cover the 20 feet between them before he proceed to stab the officer to death. Just how did the officer waste those precious 3 seconds while the criminal charged at him? By yelling a warning and then firing a warning shot. Before he could get to step 3, which would have been a fatal gunshot to the perp's head, he had a large knife piercing his body over and over and over again until he met his death. Every citizen questioning police procedure in these situations should be forced to watch that video.

And before the "yeah buts" about Brown not having a knife. 1) Wilson doesn't know that, 2) Because of #1, officers are trained to respond the same way regardless, and 3) If Wilson lets Brown get to him, it's over. Brown overpowers him for his gun and it's Wilson who dies tragically while Brown spends the rest of his life in prison. Oh, and 4) The incident is a blip in the national news cycle. Just another brave officer killed on duty. No one is talking about a black man killing a white officer. Because you know, mentioning color in that scenario would be racist.

 

[Slapdash]

also said Brown placed one hand in his waist band and clenched his other hand into a fist and charged him....why would he place his hand in his pants and run like that? Holding his pants up ? Wilson was implying he may have had a weapon in the waistband thus justifying deadly force

His penis is so big he needs to prevent jiggle action while running. I run the same way.

It is a burden

 

[lod01]

Good arguments were made last night as to why Wilson was not indicted , and why, had this gone to trial he wouldn't have been convicted.

But that doesn't mean that he's innocent of wrongdoing. I continue to have a feeling that Wilson could have avoided shooting Michael Brown to death and chose not to.

That's because you know nothing about law enforcement training and how susceptible police officers are when confronted by overly-aggressive suspects. If you're dealing with someone irrational there's no time to talk nice. If a suspect is charging you, it's either you or him. No time to aim for a knee. I wish everyone could see the video I had the displeasure of seeing where a knife wielding assailant charged an officer with an aimed gun who wasted the just over 3 seconds it took the suspect to cover the 20 feet between them before he proceed to stab the officer to death. Just how did the officer waste those precious 3 seconds while the criminal charged at him? By yelling a warning and then firing a warning shot. Before he could get to step 3, which would have been a fatal gunshot to the perp's head, he had a large knife piercing his body over and over and over again until he met his death. Every citizen questioning police procedure in these situations should be forced to watch that video.

And before the "yeah buts" about Brown not having a knife. 1) Wilson doesn't know that, 2) Because of #1, officers are trained to respond the same way regardless, and 3) If Wilson lets Brown get to him, it's over. Brown overpowers him for his gun and it's Wilson who dies tragically while Brown spends the rest of his life in prison. Oh, and 4) The incident is a blip in the national news cycle. Just another brave officer killed on duty. No one is talking about a black man killing a white officer. Because you know, mentioning color in that scenario would be racist.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

There's a large group of folks demanding justice in the street outside my office tonight. Hopefully they won't be blocking the parking garage exit when I'm ready to go home.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

It's looking like the governor screwed up and didn't give Ferguson the National Guard support they were promised. Apparently they are better prepared for tonight. What a cluster-####.

If that is true he should resign.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Here is an article about a couple of businesses near the rioting where the owners and friends pretended to be Rambo and stood guard, armed with pistols and assault rifles. Silly dumbasses obviously didn't understand that the law enforcement personnel and National Guard troops had them covered...

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/ferguson_riots_north_county_business_owners_some_armed_survey_the_damage.php

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/armed-guards-at-strip-mall-save-north-st-louis-businesses-from-looters/

. If it's true I feel sorry for you...and a little frightened.

Don't try to take my ####, destroy my business or hurt my family or myself and there is no need for you to be frightened. In the situation described above, I would not have caused the death of another. They engaged in a series of decisions that led to their death.

They valued my stuff more than their life. You can try to re-direct blame and absolve others of being accountable for their own actions. If that makes you feel good about yourself, go with it.

Protecting my #### makes me feel good.

And obviously you have a really, REALLY small ****.

 

[skol asylum]

Here is an article about a couple of businesses near the rioting where the owners and friends pretended to be Rambo and stood guard, armed with pistols and assault rifles. Silly dumbasses obviously didn't understand that the law enforcement personnel and National Guard troops had them covered...

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/ferguson_riots_north_county_business_owners_some_armed_survey_the_damage.php

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/armed-guards-at-strip-mall-save-north-st-louis-businesses-from-looters/

SiDA, I think it's fine for a store owner to be armed. I think it's fine for a store owner and his friends to show that they are armed. I even think it's fine for a store owner to fire a few warning shots, if necessary, to protect his property. But actually firing directly at looters in order to protect property, not people, killing people who you think are about to loot your property? That's crossing the line, IMO. Unacceptable. And when you write that you wouldn't lose a moments sleep over it, I don't believe you. I don't know you at all, but I refuse to believe that you are so unemotional as to be completely unaffected by causing the death of another. If it's true I feel sorry for you...and a little frightened.

If i am in the middle of that mess last night with fires burning down surrounding buildings and cars and gun shots going off around me, and someone throws something through my window and comes running in im sorry but they just forfeited their right to breathe. Open fire.

 

[GoBirds]

Good arguments were made last night as to why Wilson was not indicted , and why, had this gone to trial he wouldn't have been convicted.

But that doesn't mean that he's innocent of wrongdoing. I continue to have a feeling that Wilson could have avoided shooting Michael Brown to death and chose not to.

That's because you know nothing about law enforcement training and how susceptible police officers are when confronted by overly-aggressive suspects. If you're dealing with someone irrational there's no time to talk nice. If a suspect is charging you, it's either you or him. No time to aim for a knee. I wish everyone could see the video I had the displeasure of seeing where a knife wielding assailant charged an officer with an aimed gun who wasted the just over 3 seconds it took the suspect to cover the 20 feet between them before he proceed to stab the officer to death. Just how did the officer waste those precious 3 seconds while the criminal charged at him? By yelling a warning and then firing a warning shot. Before he could get to step 3, which would have been a fatal gunshot to the perp's head, he had a large knife piercing his body over and over and over again until he met his death. Every citizen questioning police procedure in these situations should be forced to watch that video.

And before the "yeah buts" about Brown not having a knife. 1) Wilson doesn't know that, 2) Because of #1, officers are trained to respond the same way regardless, and 3) If Wilson lets Brown get to him, it's over. Brown overpowers him for his gun and it's Wilson who dies tragically while Brown spends the rest of his life in prison. Oh, and 4) The incident is a blip in the national news cycle. Just another brave officer killed on duty. No one is talking about a black man killing a white officer. Because you know, mentioning color in that scenario would be racist.

Tim doesn't want to hear that.....it makes too much sense.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

There's a large group of folks demanding justice in the street outside my office tonight. Hopefully they won't be blocking the parking garage exit when I'm ready to go home.

Print out copies of this article and hand them to the protestors as you walk to your car. Good luck.

Hey Ferguson Protestors: Justice Has Been Done, But You Never Wanted Justice.Hey protestors in Ferguson and around the country, along with all manner of other agitators, demonstrators, race baiters, looters, rioters, media sensationalists, and everyone else in the Michael Brown Fan Club across the nation and the world:

You claim you want justice, so what are you protesting now?

Justice was done, friends, justice was done.

There won’t be a public trial because this is America, and in America we don’t put people on trial just to satisfy the vengeance of the mob. We don’t bring someone up on charges if the facts do not support those charges.

So Officer Wilson was not indicted. The facts reigned supreme last night. Well, first the facts, and then the arson.

Officer Wilson will not be charged because the entire outrage was built on fabricated witness testimony. Witness testimony, in some cases, from people who weren’t even witnesses. Officer Wilson was not indicted because the physical evidence, forensics, and ballistics all supported his story. Officer Wilson was vindicated because the most consistent witnesses were the ones who validated his version of events (and most of those witnesses were black).

That’s the truth. That’s the reality. It’s rock solid, folks. Plain as day. Michael Brown was not a civil rights hero; he was a belligerent and violent young man who lost his life because of his own actions. It is sad that he’s dead — and it’s his fault that he’s dead. He sought an altercation with a store clerk and then he sought an altercation with a cop. In the course of that second altercation, he tried to grab the officer’s gun. And now he’s dead. That’s what happens when you assault a cop and try to take his gun. You get shot. This is no great mystery. It’s no cause for rioting in the streets. It’s a case where A + B = C, and Michael Brown is fully responsible.


This decision is not what you wanted, I realize, but that’s only because you never wanted justice at all. You wanted a certain outcome, and you have demanded that outcome from the very beginning, before listening to the other side, before looking at the evidence, before hearing from all of the witnesses, before giving the dust a chance to settle. You came to a conclusion based on rumor and conjecture, and you have not strayed from that conclusion or adjusted it or even acknowledged that any other conclusions are possible. This, my fellow citizens, is not the behavior of people who want justice and fairness. This is the behavior of a lynch mob. This is the behavior of tyrants who are perfectly willing to send an innocent man to jail if it means winning some kind of bizarre ideological victory. This is behavior that ought to be exposed and shamed, in no uncertain terms.

That’s why I won’t be another to make this all about the violence in Ferguson, although there has been a ton of it since Michael Brown was shot and killed by Officer Darren Wilson. I can easily point to the rioting and looting, not to mention the bomb plots, rock throwing, vandalism, death threats, rape threats, terrorist threats, and general chaos at your hands. And that’s just before the decision. After the decision we saw utter detestation brought upon by the people who claim they are fighting for some great and magnanimous cause. More rioting, looting, vandalism, destruction, chaos, bottles and rocks thrown, shots fired, cars overturned, and roaming arsonists wreaking havoc across the community. Over a dozen buildings now lay in rubble in Ferguson. Reduced to rock and ash by the very people who say they care so much for their town. And all because a criminal was shot for attacking a cop. All for nothing, in other words. Yet supporters contend that the thieves, antagonists, and anarchists are but a small portion — out of town usurpers, for the most part — and are not representative of the group as a whole.

And you know what? Fine.

I’ll go with that.

I’ll accept that argument.

Whatever. Who cares? This discussion about the exact proportion of violent vs. non-violent protestors is irrelevant. It’s exactly the sort of conversation the agitators and race baiters want us to have because it distracts from the larger problem. Frankly, I don’t think it matters how you are protesting. Whether you’re on the streets of Ferguson or spreading conjecture and false accusations on Twitter, whether you’re a peaceful group or a band of vandalizing thugs — let’s talk instead about the fact that you are protesting in the first place. Are these demonstrations violent? Some definitely are, but that’s not the point. The greater concern is that you’re being dishonest. You are lying. You brazenly disregard every piece of evidence, every witness statement, and the grand jury’s determination in order to propagate a falsehood. You say you want to know what happened, but you preemptively reject any explanation beyond the explanation you conjured up within 24 hours of the event itself. You, along with many politicians and media members, made up your minds three months ago, and you have not allowed any preceding fact or reality to penetrate. You established your narrative and have built your movement upon that foundation. ‘We want justice,’ you declare, but not a single one of you will consider the possibility that justice includes Officer Wilson being cleared of all wrongdoing, even after the science and most reliable firsthand accounts conflict with your mythology.

This is beyond a mere misinterpretation. This is blatant deception, and you’re all complicit in it.

But still, justice won the day, in spite of you and in spite of every attempt to sabotage the process. Officer Wilson will not be charged with murder because he is not a murderer. Incredibly, the system worked. The truth prevailed. These grand jurors were facing interference from the Governor, the Attorney General, and the President of the United States. They were made to fear for their lives and for the safety of their community if they returned anything but a murder charge. The integrity of the process had been compromised by you and your supporters, yet the jurors decided to consider only the evidence, rejecting the threats, the blackmail, and the baseless assumptions of so many.

So let’s review the two competing stories:

On one hand, we have your version. In this fantasy, Officer Wilson, consumed with his racist passions, randomly grabbed and began brutalizing an innocent kid whose only crime was jaywalking. Brown managed to escape, at which point Wilson shot him in the back, and then, while Brown kneeled with his hands up, Wilson executed him in broad daylight, in the middle of the street, in front of 60 witnesses.

On the other hand, we have Wilson’s story, which is the one that matched the evidence and the one the grand jury found much more believable. In this account, Wilson first noticed Brown walking in the middle of the street. He asked Brown to move to the sidewalk, but Brown refused. At this point, Wilson realized that Brown matched the description of a robbery suspect. He stopped his car and attempted to get out, but Brown attacked the officer while he was still inside the vehicle. Brown tried to reach for the officer’s gun, and during the struggle the gun went off. This claim is supported by the forensics, ballistics, and witness testimony. Brown then took off running and Wilson pursued. Just seconds later, Brown stopped, turned, and began to charge the officer again. Wilson, knowing that Brown is a large and powerful man who has already attempted to take his gun one, was forced to defend himself with lethal force. More shots fired. Brown is killed. Analysis at the scene showed a trail of Brown’s blood which went on 20 feet past his body, indicating that he did stop, turn, and advance on the officer.

In short, Officer Wilson was a law enforcement officer doing his job when he was suddenly attacked and thrown headfirst into a fight for his life. That’s what the forensic evidence shows. That’s what several eye witnesses report. That’s what logic and reason always pointed to.

You demonized an innocent man. This should weigh heavily on your conscience. This should bring you a profound sense of grief and guilt. A man who serves your community was forced to defend himself against an unprovoked and unnecessary assault, and what did you do? You made a villain out of him. You cast him to the wolves without hesitation. You crucified the man.

You should be ashamed.

And all for the sake of Michael Brown, your gentle giant, your cause celebre, your excuse, your reason to act like you were Standing For Something. Michael Brown, another grown man who tragically bought into thug culture, paid the price for it, and then was posthumously canonized by a mob of ill-intentioned propagandists. Michael Brown, who walked up to the counter at a store, took some items without paying for them, and then grabbed the store clerk by the neck and shoved him into a display case. Michael Brown, who returned from a strong arm robbery to encounter Officer Wilson, who had himself just returned from helping a sick child. Michael Brown, who picked a fight and lost. Michael Brown, the maybe not-so-gentle giant who brought his bloody fate upon himself.

Oh, but we’re told that this is about more than Michael Brown now. It’s about police brutality, and race, and social inequality, and so on.

Indeed, it’s about police brutality even if Officer Wilson wasn’t guilty of police brutality, and it’s about race even if Officer Wilson shot Brown because he was trying to kill him, not because he was black, and it’s about social inequality even if that has absolutely nothing to do with anything that transpired on that fateful afternoon. It’s about all of these things, even if it’s really about none of them. And Officer Wilson? Well, innocent or not, he just has to be the lamb slaughtered on the sacrificial altar in the name of progress.

Makes sense, doesn’t it?

It’s like if I slap you in the face for kicking me in the shins, except you tell me that you never kicked me in the shins, but I respond that you must be slapped anyway because sometimes some people are kicked in the shins, and sometimes the shin kickers look an awful lot like you.

Sometimes, you see, positive change is sparked by a fabrication, spurred on by a lie, promoted through deception, and advanced at the expense of the innocent. This happens all the time, like, for instance never.

Man, I’m so sick of this.

I’m tired of the theatrics, the charade, the race hustling. The lies. The lies upon lies upon lies. Isn’t anyone sincere anymore? Are any of you concerned that you’re villain is a cop who defended himself and your martyr is a drugged up bully who went out of his way to start trouble?

I guess not.

And the problem isn’t just you, I admit. It’s the media, too.

Oh, the media.

Believe me, they deserve their share of the blame. Morally bankrupt sociopaths, many of them. They flew in like vultures to feed upon the hysteria. To exacerbate the tensions. To inflame the violence. To encourage the chaos. I thought they’d reached a low point with Trayvon Martin. Doctoring 911 tapes and digging up Martin’s 4th grade yearbook photo, I figured they couldn’t possibly descend to an even more shocking level of dishonesty, slander, and sensationalism. But then Ferguson happened, and those scavengers reached into the cavernous pit of their blackened souls and found a way to top even their most deplorable previous performances.

I watched CNN in the minutes before the grand jury announcement. Wolf Blitzer interviewed the head of the NAACP, who proceeded to let loose a string of falsehoods and assumptions, all of which were completely unchallenged.

He said that Brown was shot with his hands up, but Blitzer didn’t both telling him that physical evidence and other witnesses have debunked that claim.

He said the NAACP expects an indictment based on the evidence, but Blitzer didn’t bother asking how in the world he could declare that the evidence warrants indictment without access to most of it, and with a clear misunderstanding of the evidence that is available.

He said that Brown was stopped only for jaywalking, but Blitzer didn’t bother informing him that Brown was wanted for a robbery and reports indicate that Wilson did quickly recognize him as the suspect, and the altercation proceeded from there.

He said that black men are tired of being killed by cops, but Blitzer didn’t bother querying whether this exhaustion with being killed by police also includes an exhaustion with being the group guilty of committing a disproportionate percentage of the violent crimes in our society.

No, Blitzer just allowed his airwaves to be used as a propaganda arm for the NAACP, very much in keeping with how most of the rest of the non-Fox news media has operated.

And that can’t compare to the media’s performance in the press conference with the prosecutor, making inflammatory statements disguised as questions, and then shouting ‘how will you sleep at night?’ as the man left the room. And left the room, I should add, after delivering a thorough, fair, and thoughtful recitation of the facts, which was inexplicably panned by the liberal media who, we all know, were destined to criticize anything he said if it didn’t include an announcement of a first degree murder charge.

But that’s the media for you.

And then the politicians.

Oh, the politicians.

Governor Nixon announced only days after the events that ‘vigorous prosecution’ should be pursued against the officer. Prosecution. Not investigation. Not inquiry. Prosecution. There are only two ways that Nixon, the gutless worm, could have arrived at this conclusion:

1) He had no information other than what the public had, but he threw one of his police officers to the lions because it would help him politically.

2) He had information that the public didn’t have, but he threw one of his police officers to the lions because it would help him politically.

Eric Holder and Barack Obama weren’t much better. At least Obama didn’t announce that Brown looked like his son this time, but he again, as a surprise to nobody, declined the opportunity to show real leadership. Instead, he sent his lackey Holder to the scene in an attempt to literally make a federal case out of a violent criminal being shot by police in Missouri. Then he made a statement last night where he declared that ‘anger about the decision is understandable.’ Understandable to be angry that an innocent man wasn’t charged with a crime? Understandable to be angry that the justice system did its job? UNDERSTANDABLE?

Good lord, help us.

Look, protestors, if you’re not ready to go home, if you still want to protest something, why not protest the culture that encourages young black men to act like Michael Brown? Why not protest the thousands of black men who kill black men every year? Why not protest the black men who kill cops every year, or have you convinced yourselves that such violence is always justified? Why not protest the black men who abandon their families and create the chaotic family situations that lead to these tragedies? Why not protest the black rappers who actively teach young men like Michael Brown to behave like bullies and gangsters? Why not protest the infantilizing white liberals who treat minorities like children who can’t be expected to take responsibility for their actions? Why not protest years of Nanny State policies which have bred poverty and kept many minority populations from achieving the success they are capable of?

Why not protest the media that feeds flames and obscures the truth?

Why not protest a president who has done nothing positive or constructive for the black community?

Or go home and tend to your families. Find something real to be worried about.

You were wrong about this.

You were wrong from the beginning.

But justice was done anyway, and you aren’t happy because justice was the last thing you ever wanted.

LINK

 

[rockaction]

This is still one of the worst cases to address systemic police brutality I've ever seen.

The over-militarization of police during the initial protests would seem to the issue here, not this nebulous stuff hanging over cop and kid. It was much better addressed when the former was addressed, and not actions or motives, all of which are either eyewitness accounts that are unreliable, or motive, which seems to be unknowable.

 

[rockaction]

Before people castigate me for that last comment, the Kelly Thomas and Eric Garner cases actually had video and audio, and you could see the cops practicing a unique form of sadistic brutality. Here, you have a kid who had just knocked over a convenience store (video of that) and seemed agitated and disturbed.

Bad facts make bad law (or bad anarchy), if I may paraphrase, and this is an example of bad facts.

 

[MCguidance]

What does this have to do with blocking buses from leaving Port Authority in NYC?

 

[mcintyre1]

There's a large group of folks demanding justice in the street outside my office tonight. Hopefully they won't be blocking the parking garage exit when I'm ready to go home.

Print out copies of this article and hand them to the protestors as you walk to your car. Good luck.

Hey Ferguson Protestors: Justice Has Been Done, But You Never Wanted Justice.Hey protestors in Ferguson and around the country, along with all manner of other agitators, demonstrators, race baiters, looters, rioters, media sensationalists, and everyone else in the Michael Brown Fan Club across the nation and the world:

You claim you want justice, so what are you protesting now?

Justice was done, friends, justice was done.

There won’t be a public trial because this is America, and in America we don’t put people on trial just to satisfy the vengeance of the mob. We don’t bring someone up on charges if the facts do not support those charges.

So Officer Wilson was not indicted. The facts reigned supreme last night. Well, first the facts, and then the arson.

Officer Wilson will not be charged because the entire outrage was built on fabricated witness testimony. Witness testimony, in some cases, from people who weren’t even witnesses. Officer Wilson was not indicted because the physical evidence, forensics, and ballistics all supported his story. Officer Wilson was vindicated because the most consistent witnesses were the ones who validated his version of events (and most of those witnesses were black).

That’s the truth. That’s the reality. It’s rock solid, folks. Plain as day. Michael Brown was not a civil rights hero; he was a belligerent and violent young man who lost his life because of his own actions. It is sad that he’s dead — and it’s his fault that he’s dead. He sought an altercation with a store clerk and then he sought an altercation with a cop. In the course of that second altercation, he tried to grab the officer’s gun. And now he’s dead. That’s what happens when you assault a cop and try to take his gun. You get shot. This is no great mystery. It’s no cause for rioting in the streets. It’s a case where A + B = C, and Michael Brown is fully responsible.


This decision is not what you wanted, I realize, but that’s only because you never wanted justice at all. You wanted a certain outcome, and you have demanded that outcome from the very beginning, before listening to the other side, before looking at the evidence, before hearing from all of the witnesses, before giving the dust a chance to settle. You came to a conclusion based on rumor and conjecture, and you have not strayed from that conclusion or adjusted it or even acknowledged that any other conclusions are possible. This, my fellow citizens, is not the behavior of people who want justice and fairness. This is the behavior of a lynch mob. This is the behavior of tyrants who are perfectly willing to send an innocent man to jail if it means winning some kind of bizarre ideological victory. This is behavior that ought to be exposed and shamed, in no uncertain terms.

That’s why I won’t be another to make this all about the violence in Ferguson, although there has been a ton of it since Michael Brown was shot and killed by Officer Darren Wilson. I can easily point to the rioting and looting, not to mention the bomb plots, rock throwing, vandalism, death threats, rape threats, terrorist threats, and general chaos at your hands. And that’s just before the decision. After the decision we saw utter detestation brought upon by the people who claim they are fighting for some great and magnanimous cause. More rioting, looting, vandalism, destruction, chaos, bottles and rocks thrown, shots fired, cars overturned, and roaming arsonists wreaking havoc across the community. Over a dozen buildings now lay in rubble in Ferguson. Reduced to rock and ash by the very people who say they care so much for their town. And all because a criminal was shot for attacking a cop. All for nothing, in other words. Yet supporters contend that the thieves, antagonists, and anarchists are but a small portion — out of town usurpers, for the most part — and are not representative of the group as a whole.

And you know what? Fine.

I’ll go with that.

I’ll accept that argument.

Whatever. Who cares? This discussion about the exact proportion of violent vs. non-violent protestors is irrelevant. It’s exactly the sort of conversation the agitators and race baiters want us to have because it distracts from the larger problem. Frankly, I don’t think it matters how you are protesting. Whether you’re on the streets of Ferguson or spreading conjecture and false accusations on Twitter, whether you’re a peaceful group or a band of vandalizing thugs — let’s talk instead about the fact that you are protesting in the first place. Are these demonstrations violent? Some definitely are, but that’s not the point. The greater concern is that you’re being dishonest. You are lying. You brazenly disregard every piece of evidence, every witness statement, and the grand jury’s determination in order to propagate a falsehood. You say you want to know what happened, but you preemptively reject any explanation beyond the explanation you conjured up within 24 hours of the event itself. You, along with many politicians and media members, made up your minds three months ago, and you have not allowed any preceding fact or reality to penetrate. You established your narrative and have built your movement upon that foundation. ‘We want justice,’ you declare, but not a single one of you will consider the possibility that justice includes Officer Wilson being cleared of all wrongdoing, even after the science and most reliable firsthand accounts conflict with your mythology.

This is beyond a mere misinterpretation. This is blatant deception, and you’re all complicit in it.

But still, justice won the day, in spite of you and in spite of every attempt to sabotage the process. Officer Wilson will not be charged with murder because he is not a murderer. Incredibly, the system worked. The truth prevailed. These grand jurors were facing interference from the Governor, the Attorney General, and the President of the United States. They were made to fear for their lives and for the safety of their community if they returned anything but a murder charge. The integrity of the process had been compromised by you and your supporters, yet the jurors decided to consider only the evidence, rejecting the threats, the blackmail, and the baseless assumptions of so many.

So let’s review the two competing stories:

On one hand, we have your version. In this fantasy, Officer Wilson, consumed with his racist passions, randomly grabbed and began brutalizing an innocent kid whose only crime was jaywalking. Brown managed to escape, at which point Wilson shot him in the back, and then, while Brown kneeled with his hands up, Wilson executed him in broad daylight, in the middle of the street, in front of 60 witnesses.

On the other hand, we have Wilson’s story, which is the one that matched the evidence and the one the grand jury found much more believable. In this account, Wilson first noticed Brown walking in the middle of the street. He asked Brown to move to the sidewalk, but Brown refused. At this point, Wilson realized that Brown matched the description of a robbery suspect. He stopped his car and attempted to get out, but Brown attacked the officer while he was still inside the vehicle. Brown tried to reach for the officer’s gun, and during the struggle the gun went off. This claim is supported by the forensics, ballistics, and witness testimony. Brown then took off running and Wilson pursued. Just seconds later, Brown stopped, turned, and began to charge the officer again. Wilson, knowing that Brown is a large and powerful man who has already attempted to take his gun one, was forced to defend himself with lethal force. More shots fired. Brown is killed. Analysis at the scene showed a trail of Brown’s blood which went on 20 feet past his body, indicating that he did stop, turn, and advance on the officer.

In short, Officer Wilson was a law enforcement officer doing his job when he was suddenly attacked and thrown headfirst into a fight for his life. That’s what the forensic evidence shows. That’s what several eye witnesses report. That’s what logic and reason always pointed to.

You demonized an innocent man. This should weigh heavily on your conscience. This should bring you a profound sense of grief and guilt. A man who serves your community was forced to defend himself against an unprovoked and unnecessary assault, and what did you do? You made a villain out of him. You cast him to the wolves without hesitation. You crucified the man.

You should be ashamed.

And all for the sake of Michael Brown, your gentle giant, your cause celebre, your excuse, your reason to act like you were Standing For Something. Michael Brown, another grown man who tragically bought into thug culture, paid the price for it, and then was posthumously canonized by a mob of ill-intentioned propagandists. Michael Brown, who walked up to the counter at a store, took some items without paying for them, and then grabbed the store clerk by the neck and shoved him into a display case. Michael Brown, who returned from a strong arm robbery to encounter Officer Wilson, who had himself just returned from helping a sick child. Michael Brown, who picked a fight and lost. Michael Brown, the maybe not-so-gentle giant who brought his bloody fate upon himself.

Oh, but we’re told that this is about more than Michael Brown now. It’s about police brutality, and race, and social inequality, and so on.

Indeed, it’s about police brutality even if Officer Wilson wasn’t guilty of police brutality, and it’s about race even if Officer Wilson shot Brown because he was trying to kill him, not because he was black, and it’s about social inequality even if that has absolutely nothing to do with anything that transpired on that fateful afternoon. It’s about all of these things, even if it’s really about none of them. And Officer Wilson? Well, innocent or not, he just has to be the lamb slaughtered on the sacrificial altar in the name of progress.

Makes sense, doesn’t it?

It’s like if I slap you in the face for kicking me in the shins, except you tell me that you never kicked me in the shins, but I respond that you must be slapped anyway because sometimes some people are kicked in the shins, and sometimes the shin kickers look an awful lot like you.

Sometimes, you see, positive change is sparked by a fabrication, spurred on by a lie, promoted through deception, and advanced at the expense of the innocent. This happens all the time, like, for instance never.

Man, I’m so sick of this.

I’m tired of the theatrics, the charade, the race hustling. The lies. The lies upon lies upon lies. Isn’t anyone sincere anymore? Are any of you concerned that you’re villain is a cop who defended himself and your martyr is a drugged up bully who went out of his way to start trouble?

I guess not.

And the problem isn’t just you, I admit. It’s the media, too.

Oh, the media.

Believe me, they deserve their share of the blame. Morally bankrupt sociopaths, many of them. They flew in like vultures to feed upon the hysteria. To exacerbate the tensions. To inflame the violence. To encourage the chaos. I thought they’d reached a low point with Trayvon Martin. Doctoring 911 tapes and digging up Martin’s 4th grade yearbook photo, I figured they couldn’t possibly descend to an even more shocking level of dishonesty, slander, and sensationalism. But then Ferguson happened, and those scavengers reached into the cavernous pit of their blackened souls and found a way to top even their most deplorable previous performances.

I watched CNN in the minutes before the grand jury announcement. Wolf Blitzer interviewed the head of the NAACP, who proceeded to let loose a string of falsehoods and assumptions, all of which were completely unchallenged.

He said that Brown was shot with his hands up, but Blitzer didn’t both telling him that physical evidence and other witnesses have debunked that claim.

He said the NAACP expects an indictment based on the evidence, but Blitzer didn’t bother asking how in the world he could declare that the evidence warrants indictment without access to most of it, and with a clear misunderstanding of the evidence that is available.

He said that Brown was stopped only for jaywalking, but Blitzer didn’t bother informing him that Brown was wanted for a robbery and reports indicate that Wilson did quickly recognize him as the suspect, and the altercation proceeded from there.

He said that black men are tired of being killed by cops, but Blitzer didn’t bother querying whether this exhaustion with being killed by police also includes an exhaustion with being the group guilty of committing a disproportionate percentage of the violent crimes in our society.

No, Blitzer just allowed his airwaves to be used as a propaganda arm for the NAACP, very much in keeping with how most of the rest of the non-Fox news media has operated.

And that can’t compare to the media’s performance in the press conference with the prosecutor, making inflammatory statements disguised as questions, and then shouting ‘how will you sleep at night?’ as the man left the room. And left the room, I should add, after delivering a thorough, fair, and thoughtful recitation of the facts, which was inexplicably panned by the liberal media who, we all know, were destined to criticize anything he said if it didn’t include an announcement of a first degree murder charge.

But that’s the media for you.

And then the politicians.

Oh, the politicians.

Governor Nixon announced only days after the events that ‘vigorous prosecution’ should be pursued against the officer. Prosecution. Not investigation. Not inquiry. Prosecution. There are only two ways that Nixon, the gutless worm, could have arrived at this conclusion:

1) He had no information other than what the public had, but he threw one of his police officers to the lions because it would help him politically.

2) He had information that the public didn’t have, but he threw one of his police officers to the lions because it would help him politically.

Eric Holder and Barack Obama weren’t much better. At least Obama didn’t announce that Brown looked like his son this time, but he again, as a surprise to nobody, declined the opportunity to show real leadership. Instead, he sent his lackey Holder to the scene in an attempt to literally make a federal case out of a violent criminal being shot by police in Missouri. Then he made a statement last night where he declared that ‘anger about the decision is understandable.’ Understandable to be angry that an innocent man wasn’t charged with a crime? Understandable to be angry that the justice system did its job? UNDERSTANDABLE?

Good lord, help us.

Look, protestors, if you’re not ready to go home, if you still want to protest something, why not protest the culture that encourages young black men to act like Michael Brown? Why not protest the thousands of black men who kill black men every year? Why not protest the black men who kill cops every year, or have you convinced yourselves that such violence is always justified? Why not protest the black men who abandon their families and create the chaotic family situations that lead to these tragedies? Why not protest the black rappers who actively teach young men like Michael Brown to behave like bullies and gangsters? Why not protest the infantilizing white liberals who treat minorities like children who can’t be expected to take responsibility for their actions? Why not protest years of Nanny State policies which have bred poverty and kept many minority populations from achieving the success they are capable of?

Why not protest the media that feeds flames and obscures the truth?

Why not protest a president who has done nothing positive or constructive for the black community?

Or go home and tend to your families. Find something real to be worried about.

You were wrong about this.

You were wrong from the beginning.

But justice was done anyway, and you aren’t happy because justice was the last thing you ever wanted.

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[RBM]

Here is an article about a couple of businesses near the rioting where the owners and friends pretended to be Rambo and stood guard, armed with pistols and assault rifles. Silly dumbasses obviously didn't understand that the law enforcement personnel and National Guard troops had them covered...

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/ferguson_riots_north_county_business_owners_some_armed_survey_the_damage.php

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/armed-guards-at-strip-mall-save-north-st-louis-businesses-from-looters/

. If it's true I feel sorry for you...and a little frightened.

Don't try to take my ####, destroy my business or hurt my family or myself and there is no need for you to be frightened. In the situation described above, I would not have caused the death of another. They engaged in a series of decisions that led to their death.They valued my stuff more than their life. You can try to re-direct blame and absolve others of being accountable for their own actions. If that makes you feel good about yourself, go with it.

Protecting my #### makes me feel good.

And obviously you have a really, REALLY small ****.

WTF

 

[mcintyre1]

What does this have to do with blocking buses from leaving Port Authority in NYC?

This, basically.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

rockaction, regarding your last two posts, I have a theory which I know I'll get criticized for and don't really care.

Anyway, I believe the agitators intentionally choose losing cases. In the span of the Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown cases, beside the cases you mentioned, there have been numerous cases of white men shooting killing innocent black teens that resulted in easy convictions (white guy shot black teens for loud rap in Florida & white guy shot black chick banging on his door after traffic accident, etc). The Martin and Brown cases, however, based on their facts, were difficult cases to prove with strong exculpatory evidence. Namely, injuries to both defendants which suggested an attack or fight. Despite this evidence, the agitators and media pushed those two cases as prima facie evidence of racism. I think the agitators knew they could frame those cases a certain way, get an emotional response, and when they inevitably lost it would, to their masses, further support the idea of the crooked, racist justice system. Keep the narrative of white racism alive so it can continued to be milked for monetary and political gain. An easy victory victory may get people to grow complacent and less agitatable.

 

[lod01]

Crump getting owned on CNN right now. About time they put someone on there to debate him. You can't win a debate when you throw made up #### against the wall vs facts.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Brown family lawyer

"The officer told him to surrender. When you surrender, you don't walk away, you walk towards a person to surrender"

 

[jon_mx]

Brown family lawyer

"The officer told him to surrender. When you surrender, you don't walk away, you walk towards a person to surrender"

Is that the same idiot Martin's family used?

 

[lod01]

So we have 'witnesses' who claimed they saw it and actually were not even there. 'Witnesses' who changed their stories. 'Witnesses' whose stories contradict the physical evidence.

If the Brown family should be steaming mad at anyone it should be these morons who assisted in the exoneration of Wilson.

 

[Eminence]

I don't really see how there's any type of debate. The Officer clearly was struck in the face at some point, if you hit a Police Officer you are at risk of being shot.

Period.

 

[Kevrunner]

Brown family lawyer

"The officer told him to surrender. When you surrender, you don't walk away, you walk towards a person to surrender"

Everytime I was arrested and told to surrender, I was instructed to eat the payment right where I was at, never was told to walk forward towards the arresting officer.

 

[urbanhack]

Is this FBG or stormfront? Hard to tell.

 

[SproutDaddy]

I don't really see how there's any type of debate. The Officer clearly was struck in the face at some point, if you hit a Police Officer you are at risk of being shot.

Period.

If that's the case then those officers shouldn't be wearing a badge. You are asking to get beat the #### down.

 

[GoBirds]

I don't really see how there's any type of debate. The Officer clearly was struck in the face at some point, if you hit a Police Officer you are at risk of being shot.

Period.

That's what's really sad about our society. This kid stole, then walks down the middle of the street, then hits a police officer multiple times and that's all totally ignored.

 

[mcintyre1]

Is this FBG or stormfront? Hard to tell.

 

[lod01]

Protests growing across America. For what? I told you all that the idiots have been multiplying faster than the humans.

 

[mcintyre1]

I don't really see how there's any type of debate. The Officer clearly was struck in the face at some point, if you hit a Police Officer you are at risk of being shot.

Period.

That's what's really sad about our society. This kid stole, then walks down the middle of the street, then hits a police officer multiple times and that's all totally ignored.

 

[mcintyre1]

Protests growing across America. For what? I told you all that the idiots have been multiplying faster than the humans.

Yeah, clearly they must all be dumb, wrong, and irrational. There couldn't possibly be some other explanation for why thousands of people across the country completely unrelated to the event are protesting the result.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I don't really see how there's any type of debate. The Officer clearly was struck in the face at some point, if you hit a Police Officer you are at risk of being shot.

Period.

That's what's really sad about our society. This kid stole, then walks down the middle of the street, then hits a police officer multiple times and that's all totally ignored.

If this was all totally ignored, Wilson would be wearing orange right now.

 

[rockaction]

Is this FBG or stormfront? Hard to tell.

This is just genius. So are McIntyre's typical postings. Productive conversations.

rockaction, regarding your last two posts, I have a theory which I know I'll get criticized for and don't really care.

Anyway, I believe the agitators intentionally choose losing cases. In the span of the Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown cases, beside the cases you mentioned, there have been numerous cases of white men shooting killing innocent black teens that resulted in easy convictions (white guy shot black teens for loud rap in Florida & white guy shot black chick banging on his door after traffic accident, etc). The Martin and Brown cases, however, based on their facts, were difficult cases to prove with strong exculpatory evidence. Namely, injuries to both defendants which suggested an attack or fight. Despite this evidence, the agitators and media pushed those two cases as prima facie evidence of racism. I think the agitators knew they could frame those cases a certain way, get an emotional response, and when they inevitably lost it would, to their masses, further support the idea of the crooked, racist justice system. Keep the narrative of white racism alive so it can continued to be milked for monetary and political gain. An easy victory victory may get people to grow complacent and less agitatable.

Yeah, but we've had three recent cases of indisputable police brutality that have brought nothing. We've had Thomas, Garner (he of the NYPD crackdown on loosie cigarettes??) and a Latino outside of a movie theatre (sorry, off-handedly I forget his name, which just means I saw it on my facebook feed and hopefully doesn't qualify me as dehumanizing). All three cases involved each major demographic race within the United States being blatantly violated on camera -- with audio -- by the police, and this is the case we're upset about?

I actually think it more goes back to the militarization problem and outside agitation. Per the Daily Beast. Yes, the Beast, not the Caller. Tina Brown's mag. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/23/the-communist-agitators-trying-to-ignite-ferguson.html

 

[GrandpaRox]

Protests growing across America. For what? I told you all that the idiots have been multiplying faster than the humans.

Yeah, clearly they must all be dumb, wrong, and irrational. There couldn't possibly be some other explanation for why thousands of people across the country completely unrelated to the event are protesting the result.

There is an explanation for it and we all know what it is.

 

[lod01]

I don't really see how there's any type of debate. The Officer clearly was struck in the face at some point, if you hit a Police Officer you are at risk of being shot.

Period.

That's what's really sad about our society. This kid stole, then walks down the middle of the street, then hits a police officer multiple times and that's all totally ignored.

oops read it wrong. You are correct. I thought you were saying that Brown's actions should not allow the officer to use his gun.

 

[GoBirds]

I don't really see how there's any type of debate. The Officer clearly was struck in the face at some point, if you hit a Police Officer you are at risk of being shot.

Period.

That's what's really sad about our society. This kid stole, then walks down the middle of the street, then hits a police officer multiple times and that's all totally ignored.

If this was all totally ignored, Wilson would be wearing orange right now.

I'm talking mostly about the morons stocking up at the liquor store last night.

 

[lod01]

Protests growing across America. For what? I told you all that the idiots have been multiplying faster than the humans.

Yeah, clearly they must all be dumb, wrong, and irrational. There couldn't possibly be some other explanation for why thousands of people across the country completely unrelated to the event are protesting the result.

Yeah. They are.

 

[SproutDaddy]

I don't really see how there's any type of debate. The Officer clearly was struck in the face at some point, if you hit a Police Officer you are at risk of being shot.

Period.

That's what's really sad about our society. This kid stole, then walks down the middle of the street, then hits a police officer multiple times and that's all totally ignored.

Well, to be honest I've seriously wanted to punch a few cops in the face in my time. Cops, for the most part, are pretty much #####. I don't enjoy confrontation with them. It's very easy to get my blood boiling in dealing with them. I've been harassed numerous times without it being warranted. I remember being 20 with an older girl in my car being pulled over. There was beer in the car.........no open containers. We were going back to my place. Three cops gave me a bunch of #### and made me pour all of the beer out even though she was of age. Then they continued to attempt to embarrass me in front of her. All of that was uncalled for. No laws were broken. It is not the worst run in by any means. I still wanted to punch them in the nose.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Protests growing across America. For what? I told you all that the idiots have been multiplying faster than the humans.

Yeah, clearly they must all be dumb, wrong, and irrational. There couldn't possibly be some other explanation for why thousands of people across the country completely unrelated to the event are protesting the result.

Yeah. They are.

Yet you're at home