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Oh, it will definitely claim that the officer knew Brown was a suspect in a violent crime, and probably that he thought he was armed. It will also claim Brown rapidly and rabidly approached and attacked the shy officer, pummeled him within an inch of his life, bit him, reached into the car and unsnapped his holster, loaded the officer's gun, and then tried to shoot the officer, who sadly and with incredible regret and remorse had to shoot Brown from one foot or so away, etc., after the officer tried everything in his power to stop Brown's self destructive behavior, tried to pray with him and sing kumbaya, but regrettably Brown rebutted him at every stage of the officer's peacemaking efforts.
That's all I was really trying to get at. This case would never even go before a jury. There would have been a plea to lesser charges, the da pads his conviction rate, the kid doesn't end up w a felony on his record. Let's remember the kid is 18, and doesn't have a criminal record, nobody was hurt and it was some cigars. No way he gets a felony.I always thought shoplifting was something one did surreptitously not brazenly in front of the store owner. I thought shoplifting was sneaking items out of the store through slight of hand. In this instance the robber made no attempt to conceal the item. He took it, looked right at the store owner, shoved the man half his size aside, and when the man objected he came back towards him, threw out his chest in a challenge, and then strolled out of the store. That is a strong arm robbery. The item was taken by force. If one were to have a P.D. try to plead it down a Prosecutor might reduce it to shoplifting or misdemeanor theft with a misdemeanor battery charge as well. I emphasize might.I am going to submit that my opinion on this matter carries some weight given my profession and experience.Ok Christo, I suppose the DA could have trumped up a felony robbery charge, but he'd never be convicted of a felony. Not even with a Public Pretender.
The first name was wrong, the second name was right. A reporter asked the chief about the names. When he mentioned the second name released, the chief was visibly uneasy, and tried to deflect it. It was posted in this thread somewhere.
Agreed. The officer will have to justify the shooting so I expect the police report to be the version of events that is absolutely most beneficial to the officer... plus some.
LiarThat's all I was really trying to get at.I always thought shoplifting was something one did surreptitously not brazenly in front of the store owner. I thought shoplifting was sneaking items out of the store through slight of hand. In this instance the robber made no attempt to conceal the item. He took it, looked right at the store owner, shoved the man half his size aside, and when the man objected he came back towards him, threw out his chest in a challenge, and then strolled out of the store. That is a strong arm robbery. The item was taken by force. If one were to have a P.D. try to plead it down a Prosecutor might reduce it to shoplifting or misdemeanor theft with a misdemeanor battery charge as well. I emphasize might.I am going to submit that my opinion on this matter carries some weight given my profession and experience.Ok Christo, I suppose the DA could have trumped up a felony robbery charge, but he'd never be convicted of a felony. Not even with a Public Pretender.
Or maybe, just maybe, the heavy handed approach was criticized because it was used against peaceful protesters?
Yeah, that is one way to look at it. Another is that there was almost no looting for days after the initial night of protest, while the Ferguson PD attacked peaceful protestors night after night, and then the Ferguson PD were pulled out and a more thoughtful approach was taken and the first night was peaceful. Then the Ferguson PD hamhandedly released a video yesterday criminalizing Brown and tried to (apparently falsely) connect it to Brown before backing off that claim (and they didnt even tell Capt Johnson, who was now in charge of policing the community, that they were releasing the video--he found out about the existence of that video on the news that morning as they released it). And then that night there were some more incidents of looting.
Bolded depends on the companies policies. Which you two seem to want to throw a blanket statement out that all companies prohibit detention, chasing, and handcuffing.
they did not throw Molotov Cocktails, they were throwing back the gas canisters that the cops were using.
Ok Mr Super hero. You're so full of #### you actually believe the sperg coming out of your mouth. I'd probably glorify my life to if I was a mail man who also worked mall security.
So the picture is proof that molotov cocktails were never thrown? Interesting perspective you have. Either way, until Ferguson I had never seen "peaceful protesters" throw flaming gas canisters. Would hate to see what they are capable of if they were not peaceful.
I guess we know why you ended up in prison. Not the brightest bulb on the tree, are you?
Either way, the entire town of Brown is reeling.
Never understood what is meant by this. The 2nd Amendment gives you the right to have a firearm. It doesn't give you the right to use it at your own discretion.
I agree, I also agree with Ghost Rider's comments further up.timschochet said:
Yet people wonder why race relations just keep getting worse.Underachievers said:
Yes if you do something illegal. Standing in your store at your store front with your legally owned weapon and ensuring no one comes in without permission would not be illegal.
Do you propose the police and business owners just stand by like this
while people do what they like?
No. Are you really proposing using assault rifles, snipers and armored vehicles against looters?Do you propose the police and business owners just stand by like this
Worse? Call me crazy, but for some reason I believe that it was worse when white people could own black people.
BREAKING NEWS: Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon declares a state of emergency and is implementing a curfew in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson where Michael Brown was killed by a police officer a week ago.
Tim - what's legal is legal. What's illegal is illegal. Shooting someone without cause is what this is all about.
I take it you won't be a fan of Obamas martial law....No. Are you really proposing using assault rifles, snipers and armored vehicles against looters?Do you propose the police and business owners just stand by like this
I disagree. If he gets an offer, and if he is smart enough to take the offer, then he gets off with two misdemeanors, likely involving some jail time, but not prison time. If he does not the case goes to trial and it is a slam dunk conviction and he takes a felony. In my experience lots of folks will turn down a plea agreement that involves some jail time, hoping to roll the dice and get off. I place the odd right around 50% that the average kid in his place takes the deal, does 30 days jail with maybe another 150 suspended upon no similar violations for a year.PitbullTD said:That's all I was really trying to get at. This case would never even go before a jury. There would have been a plea to lesser charges, the da pads his conviction rate, the kid doesn't end up w a felony on his record. Let's remember the kid is 18, and doesn't have a criminal record, nobody was hurt and it was some cigars. No way he gets a felony.Ditkaless Wonders said:I always thought shoplifting was something one did surreptitously not brazenly in front of the store owner. I thought shoplifting was sneaking items out of the store through slight of hand. In this instance the robber made no attempt to conceal the item. He took it, looked right at the store owner, shoved the man half his size aside, and when the man objected he came back towards him, threw out his chest in a challenge, and then strolled out of the store. That is a strong arm robbery. The item was taken by force. If one were to have a P.D. try to plead it down a Prosecutor might reduce it to shoplifting or misdemeanor theft with a misdemeanor battery charge as well. I emphasize might.I am going to submit that my opinion on this matter carries some weight given my profession and experience.PitbullTD said:Ok Christo, I suppose the DA could have trumped up a felony robbery charge, but he'd never be convicted of a felony. Not even with a Public Pretender.Christo said:PitbullTD said:
I dont think it is uncommon at all for Police to not give out full reports until investigations have been completed. I went to my local police department once to get one and had to wait a while since I was told it was under investigation. I filled out a form paid a copy charge and stamp charge. 3 months later it arrived. This was a minor theft case that I was just curious about since I had known the person robbed.SaintsInDome2006 said:
This is an incident report, not the whole investigative file we're talking here. Not preaching gospel because I don't know, but I don't think they have a right to withhold it. Public agencies state and federal do all sorts of things but typically the law gives something like 3 days (which is what it is LA). Most people don't sue under public records laws because it's not worth it, but newspapers, journalists and citizens' groups do though and almost always win. I don't think your PD had the right to do what they did.
They asked the Highway Patrol Captain if they were gonna bring the tanks and tear gas out to enforce it, and he said the only method they will use is commumication.
