Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (4 Viewers)

[St. Louis Bob]

http://youtu.be/7HcO-UXJ3M8

The begginning looks very bad but it's clipped so I don't know the context. All I hear is some guy yelling to put the ####### gun down. I'll trust you that the cop said I'm going to kill you. He should be in jail.

How would you handle what was a riot? Serious question, no sarcasm.

This dude was suspended (fired?) long ago, btw, IIRC.

This was borderline "4 dead in O-Hio" ####. And those were a bunch of educated white kids.

How would I handle it if I was trained to handle it? Probably not with a gun pointed at folks screaming "I will kill you". I hope, at least. But maybe I would be so ####ed up as a cop I wouldn't know what to do. And, that's a problem.

The NYC police #### up plenty, but they seem to be trained and equipped to handle stuff like this a little better, at least on a department-wide basis. Maybe instead of pouring money into military gear they hire some folks to help on this front, in terms of training, education and counseling?

Ferguson's PD is ####ed up. It's broken. It will be fixed. If that is the only good that comes from this, I guess that's a plus. If it lead to other PD's reexamining things, great. If it leads to broader social change, excellent.

Good, I'm glad he was fired. He should be brought up on charges too. What a bunch of ####### bull####. I've long said that I think the penalty for breaking the law for public officials, elected and otherwise, should be double. There's too much corruption at all levels of the government which is why #### never gets fixed.

You can thank the Feds for all of the equipment. They have been giving it away to police departments all over the nation for some time. I read about a school, in California that the security people were sent grenade launchers. Neat. Making the local PD's some sort of paramilitary organization is scary to say the least.

Your point on training is a good one though. The issue is nothing like this has ever happened in the area in my lifetime so I can also understand the lack of training too. They have tight budgets so I could see spending it on training for scenarios that actually, up until this time, happen frequently.

I agree whole heartedly with the bolded. STL City cops are going to be wearing cameras in the future too and that's a good thing.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

http://youtu.be/7HcO-UXJ3M8

The begginning looks very bad but it's clipped so I don't know the context. All I hear is some guy yelling to put the ####### gun down. I'll trust you that the cop said I'm going to kill you. He should be in jail.

How would you handle what was a riot? Serious question, no sarcasm.

bad clip, I thought I posted the correct one. The guy yelling "put your gun down" is yelling at the cop who has the AR pointed at the crowd. There's a "better" clip showing what happened.

Here it is:

http://www.infowars.com/ferguson-cop-points-gun-at-journalists-im-going-to-fing-kill-you/

Jail

 

[D_House]

Re: the feds giving military-style equipment to local govs... is that a DoD initiative? DHS? Other?

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Re: the feds giving military-style equipment to local govs... is that a DoD initiative? DHS? Other?

NDAA

 

[D_House]

http://deadspin.com/cardinals-fans-get-ugly-in-clash-with-ferguson-proteste-1643282285

Posted in wrong thread earlier.

 

[Sinn Fein]

At about 10:25 a small blonde lady starts yelling at the protesters: "We're the ones who gave all y'all the freedoms that you have!"

you just can't argue with idiocy.

At least we don't have any race issues to resolve in this country

 

[Fennis]

At 14:54, the Cardinals fans start in on a very loud "USA! USA! USA!" chant.

I hate people.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

At 14:54, the Cardinals fans start in on a very loud "USA! USA! USA!" chant.

I hate people.

The people in this video are ####### idiots (I didn't actually watch it but read the recap) but people are also sick of being harassed. I also hate stuff like this because perhaps, maybe, they have tape of people not being racist cocksucking idiots. Perhaps.

Here's the real problem.

 

[Bucky86]

Things are heating back up. Sounds like they shot someone else during a "pedestrian check?"

 

[Widbil83]

So this guy either shot at the cop or only had a sammich?

ST. LOUIS (KTVI) – Homicide detectives from the St. Louis police department have been called to the scene of a fatal officer involved shooting in the 4100 block of Shaw Blvd. in south St. Louis.

The shooting occurred around 7:30 pm.

Police say an off-duty officer working a second job attempted pedestrian check. The suspect fled on foot, and officer pursed the suspect. The suspect turned and fired at the officer. The officer fearing for his life returned fire fatally wounding the suspect.

A crowd has gathered at the corner store at Klemm next to the Shaw Market. Some in the crowd say the suspect in his 20’s, was shot 16 times. They also say the suspect was only armed with a sandwich.

http://fox2now.com/2014/10/08/fatal-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-st-louis/

 

[Bucky86]

So this guy either shot at the cop or only had a sammich?

ST. LOUIS (KTVI) Homicide detectives from the St. Louis police department have been called to the scene of a fatal officer involved shooting in the 4100 block of Shaw Blvd. in south St. Louis.

The shooting occurred around 7:30 pm.

Police say an off-duty officer working a second job attempted pedestrian check. The suspect fled on foot, and officer pursed the suspect. The suspect turned and fired at the officer. The officer fearing for his life returned fire fatally wounding the suspect.

A crowd has gathered at the corner store at Klemm next to the Shaw Market. Some in the crowd say the suspect in his 20s, was shot 16 times. They also say the suspect was only armed with a sandwich.

http://fox2now.com/2014/10/08/fatal-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-st-louis/

What kind of sandwich? If it was sub sandwich then I guess that could be mistaken for a barrel???

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So this guy either shot at the cop or only had a sammich?

ST. LOUIS (KTVI) – Homicide detectives from the St. Louis police department have been called to the scene of a fatal officer involved shooting in the 4100 block of Shaw Blvd. in south St. Louis.

The shooting occurred around 7:30 pm.

Police say an off-duty officer working a second job attempted pedestrian check. The suspect fled on foot, and officer pursed the suspect. The suspect turned and fired at the officer. The officer fearing for his life returned fire fatally wounding the suspect.

A crowd has gathered at the corner store at Klemm next to the Shaw Market. Some in the crowd say the suspect in his 20’s, was shot 16 times. They also say the suspect was only armed with a sandwich.

http://fox2now.com/2014/10/08/fatal-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-st-louis/

some of those shaws deli sandwiches are loaded with high cholesterol ...so it would be in fact a deadly weapon

 

[Bucky86]

So this guy either shot at the cop or only had a sammich?

ST. LOUIS (KTVI) Homicide detectives from the St. Louis police department have been called to the scene of a fatal officer involved shooting in the 4100 block of Shaw Blvd. in south St. Louis.

The shooting occurred around 7:30 pm.

Police say an off-duty officer working a second job attempted pedestrian check. The suspect fled on foot, and officer pursed the suspect. The suspect turned and fired at the officer. The officer fearing for his life returned fire fatally wounding the suspect.

A crowd has gathered at the corner store at Klemm next to the Shaw Market. Some in the crowd say the suspect in his 20s, was shot 16 times. They also say the suspect was only armed with a sandwich.

http://fox2now.com/2014/10/08/fatal-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-st-louis/

some of those shaws deli sandwiches are loaded with high cholesterol ...so it would be in fact a deadly weapon

However, Would it be considered an imminent threat?

 

[jamny]

off-duty officer working a second job attempted pedestrian check?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So this guy either shot at the cop or only had a sammich?

ST. LOUIS (KTVI) Homicide detectives from the St. Louis police department have been called to the scene of a fatal officer involved shooting in the 4100 block of Shaw Blvd. in south St. Louis.

The shooting occurred around 7:30 pm.

Police say an off-duty officer working a second job attempted pedestrian check. The suspect fled on foot, and officer pursed the suspect. The suspect turned and fired at the officer. The officer fearing for his life returned fire fatally wounding the suspect.

A crowd has gathered at the corner store at Klemm next to the Shaw Market. Some in the crowd say the suspect in his 20s, was shot 16 times. They also say the suspect was only armed with a sandwich.

http://fox2now.com/2014/10/08/fatal-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-st-louis/

some of those shaws deli sandwiches are loaded with high cholesterol ...so it would be in fact a deadly weapon

However, Would it be considered an imminent threat?

well not as imminent as 16 bullets

 

[Bucky86]

off-duty officer working a second job attempted pedestrian check?

Yeah...

 

[msommer]

So this guy either shot at the cop or only had a sammich?

ST. LOUIS (KTVI) Homicide detectives from the St. Louis police department have been called to the scene of a fatal officer involved shooting in the 4100 block of Shaw Blvd. in south St. Louis.

The shooting occurred around 7:30 pm.

Police say an off-duty officer working a second job attempted pedestrian check. The suspect fled on foot, and officer pursed the suspect. The suspect turned and fired at the officer. The officer fearing for his life returned fire fatally wounding the suspect.

A crowd has gathered at the corner store at Klemm next to the Shaw Market. Some in the crowd say the suspect in his 20s, was shot 16 times. They also say the suspect was only armed with a sandwich.

http://fox2now.com/2014/10/08/fatal-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-st-louis/

some of those shaws deli sandwiches are loaded with high cholesterol ...so it would be in fact a deadly weapon

However, Would it be considered an imminent threat?

According to the definition of 'imminent' used for authorizing drone strikes, definitely.

 

[timschochet]

We need JoJo the Circus Boy in here. If he can figure out how to make PCP out of Arizona Iced Tea and Skittles, then he can sure as hell know how to make a life threatening projectile weapon out of a sandwich.

 

[Widbil83]

So this guy either shot at the cop or only had a sammich?

ST. LOUIS (KTVI) Homicide detectives from the St. Louis police department have been called to the scene of a fatal officer involved shooting in the 4100 block of Shaw Blvd. in south St. Louis.

The shooting occurred around 7:30 pm.

Police say an off-duty officer working a second job attempted pedestrian check. The suspect fled on foot, and officer pursed the suspect. The suspect turned and fired at the officer. The officer fearing for his life returned fire fatally wounding the suspect.

A crowd has gathered at the corner store at Klemm next to the Shaw Market. Some in the crowd say the suspect in his 20s, was shot 16 times. They also say the suspect was only armed with a sandwich.http://fox2now.com/2014/10/08/fatal-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-st-louis/

What kind of sandwich? If it was sub sandwich then I guess that could be mistaken for a barrel???

Doesn't look like the protesters care much. Busting out cop windows amd blocking intersections.http://www.ustream.tv/channel/oakland-2-ferguson-solidarity?utm_campaign=ustre.am&utm_source=ustre.am%2F1hFO4&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20141008213718

 

[EYLive]

Bahn-mi = Browning?

 

[EYLive]

We're about to have some very happy new 4K owners!

 

[msommer]

We need JoJo the Circus Boy in here. If he can figure out how to make PCP out of Arizona Iced Tea and Skittles, then he can sure as hell know how to make a life threatening projectile weapon out of a sandwich.

Doesn't have to be a projectile weapon. It could be a club

 

[Sinn Fein]

off-duty officer working a second job attempted pedestrian check?

Yeah...

Either a drug deal gone bad, or the victim was a delivery person for Jimmy Johns.

 

[TobiasFunke]

At 14:54, the Cardinals fans start in on a very loud "USA! USA! USA!" chant.

I hate people.

The people in this video are ####### idiots (I didn't actually watch it but read the recap) but people are also sick of being harassed. I also hate stuff like this because perhaps, maybe, they have tape of people not being racist cocksucking idiots. Perhaps.

Here's the real problem.

Who was being harassed?

 

[Sinn Fein]

At 14:54, the Cardinals fans start in on a very loud "USA! USA! USA!" chant.

I hate people.

The people in this video are ####### idiots (I didn't actually watch it but read the recap) but people are also sick of being harassed. I also hate stuff like this because perhaps, maybe, they have tape of people not being racist cocksucking idiots. Perhaps.

Here's the real problem.

Who was being harassed?

White people - you know, the very people who gave the black people freedom.

 

[TobiasFunke]

At 14:54, the Cardinals fans start in on a very loud "USA! USA! USA!" chant.

I hate people.

The people in this video are ####### idiots (I didn't actually watch it but read the recap) but people are also sick of being harassed. I also hate stuff like this because perhaps, maybe, they have tape of people not being racist cocksucking idiots. Perhaps.

Here's the real problem.

Who was being harassed?

White people - you know, the very people who gave the black people freedom.

I can scarcely imagine the burden of having ten seconds of your walk into a stadium for a playoff game interrupted by a pesky reminder of that trifling incident where the police killed an unarmed black kid who had his hands up and nobody in the justice system seems to want to do anything about it. God bless those hardy souls who showed the courage and intestinal fortitude necessary to soldier on to Busch for the game. Best fans in baseball!

 

[Clifford]

Well let's get it to where someone has to make a decision

http://wh.gov/i35C9

 

[fantasycurse42]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/off-duty-st-louis-fires-17-times-kills-teen-gunfight-cops-article-1.1968403

"Ballistic evidence recovered from the scene indicates that the man fired three rounds at the officer before his weapon, a 9mm Ruger, jammed, Dotson said, adding that the gun was also recovered. The cop fired 17 rounds, although police did not say how many struck the teen."

If this is true, I've ####### had it with these St Louis protestors. #### them! Protesting that someone who fired on a cop (or even anyone) was killed by law enforcement. #### this dead POS (if this is true).

 

[TobiasFunke]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/off-duty-st-louis-fires-17-times-kills-teen-gunfight-cops-article-1.1968403

"Ballistic evidence recovered from the scene indicates that the man fired three rounds at the officer before his weapon, a 9mm Ruger, jammed, Dotson said, adding that the gun was also recovered. The cop fired 17 rounds, although police did not say how many struck the teen."

If this is true, I've ####### had it with these St Louis protestors. #### them! Protesting that someone who fired on a cop (or even anyone) was killed by law enforcement. #### this dead POS (if this is true).

I love this. #### those ####ing ############s (if this is true)!!!! Well put.

If you don't know what is or is not true, why go on a rant in the first place? Keep in mind the cop was off-duty and that he initiated the confrontation. Seems like there's a lot of missing details yet to be explained. Do you see the irony of you getting all wound up about how protestors are getting all wound up before all the facts come out?

 

[fantasycurse42]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/off-duty-st-louis-fires-17-times-kills-teen-gunfight-cops-article-1.1968403

"Ballistic evidence recovered from the scene indicates that the man fired three rounds at the officer before his weapon, a 9mm Ruger, jammed, Dotson said, adding that the gun was also recovered. The cop fired 17 rounds, although police did not say how many struck the teen."

If this is true, I've ####### had it with these St Louis protestors. #### them! Protesting that someone who fired on a cop (or even anyone) was killed by law enforcement. #### this dead POS (if this is true).

I love this. #### those ####ing ############s (if this is true)!!!! Well put.

If you don't know what is or is not true, why go on a rant in the first place? Keep in mind the cop was off-duty and that he initiated the confrontation. Seems like there's a lot of missing details yet to be explained. Do you see the irony of you getting all wound up about how protestors are getting all wound up before all the facts come out?

Do you understand they recovered his gun and ballistic evidence shows he fired on a cop? Even if the guy wasn't a cop, he fired a gun at someone, but he is a cop anyways.

 

[TheWalkmen]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/off-duty-st-louis-fires-17-times-kills-teen-gunfight-cops-article-1.1968403

"Ballistic evidence recovered from the scene indicates that the man fired three rounds at the officer before his weapon, a 9mm Ruger, jammed, Dotson said, adding that the gun was also recovered. The cop fired 17 rounds, although police did not say how many struck the teen."

If this is true, I've ####### had it with these St Louis protestors. #### them! Protesting that someone who fired on a cop (or even anyone) was killed by law enforcement. #### this dead POS (if this is true).

I love this. #### those ####ing ############s (if this is true)!!!! Well put.

If you don't know what is or is not true, why go on a rant in the first place? Keep in mind the cop was off-duty and that he initiated the confrontation. Seems like there's a lot of missing details yet to be explained. Do you see the irony of you getting all wound up about how protestors are getting all wound up before all the facts come out?

 

[TobiasFunke]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/off-duty-st-louis-fires-17-times-kills-teen-gunfight-cops-article-1.1968403

"Ballistic evidence recovered from the scene indicates that the man fired three rounds at the officer before his weapon, a 9mm Ruger, jammed, Dotson said, adding that the gun was also recovered. The cop fired 17 rounds, although police did not say how many struck the teen."

If this is true, I've ####### had it with these St Louis protestors. #### them! Protesting that someone who fired on a cop (or even anyone) was killed by law enforcement. #### this dead POS (if this is true).

I love this. #### those ####ing ############s (if this is true)!!!! Well put.

If you don't know what is or is not true, why go on a rant in the first place? Keep in mind the cop was off-duty and that he initiated the confrontation. Seems like there's a lot of missing details yet to be explained. Do you see the irony of you getting all wound up about how protestors are getting all wound up before all the facts come out?

Do you understand they recovered his gun and ballistic evidence shows he fired on a cop? Even if the guy wasn't a cop, he fired a gun at someone, but he is a cop anyways.

I understand that another cop said that's what they recovered, and that other people gave different accounts. Do you understand why maybe the people in that region may not be all that trusting of information given to them by law enforcement these days? And do you understand that you are complaining about the irrational anger being displayed by protestors who don't have all the facts while doing exactly the same thing? You even admitted you don't have all the facts in your previous posts with your multiple "if this is true" caveats.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I understand that another cop said that's what they recovered, and that other people gave different accounts.

My boy was a good boy, he never did nothing wrong!!! (excluding that 9 page rap sheet)

 

[Jim11]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/off-duty-st-louis-fires-17-times-kills-teen-gunfight-cops-article-1.1968403

"Ballistic evidence recovered from the scene indicates that the man fired three rounds at the officer before his weapon, a 9mm Ruger, jammed, Dotson said, adding that the gun was also recovered. The cop fired 17 rounds, although police did not say how many struck the teen."

If this is true, I've ####### had it with these St Louis protestors. #### them! Protesting that someone who fired on a cop (or even anyone) was killed by law enforcement. #### this dead POS (if this is true).

I love this. #### those ####ing ############s (if this is true)!!!! Well put.

If you don't know what is or is not true, why go on a rant in the first place? Keep in mind the cop was off-duty and that he initiated the confrontation. Seems like there's a lot of missing details yet to be explained. Do you see the irony of you getting all wound up about how protestors are getting all wound up before all the facts come out?

Do you understand they recovered his gun and ballistic evidence shows he fired on a cop? Even if the guy wasn't a cop, he fired a gun at someone, but he is a cop anyways.

I understand that another cop said that's what they recovered, and that other people gave different accounts. Do you understand why maybe the people in that region may not be all that trusting of information given to them by law enforcement these days? And do you understand that you are complaining about the irrational anger being displayed by protestors who don't have all the facts while doing exactly the same thing? You even admitted you don't have all the facts in your previous posts with your multiple "if this is true" caveats.

He's not doing the exact same thing...he said IF THIS IS TRUE; the protestors don't care IF THIS IS TRUE.

 

[Jim11]

I understand that another cop said that's what they recovered, and that other people gave different accounts.

My boy was a good boy, he never did nothing wrong!!! (excluding that 9 page rap sheet)

Or - He was just about to turn his life around.

 

[timschochet]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/off-duty-st-louis-fires-17-times-kills-teen-gunfight-cops-article-1.1968403

"Ballistic evidence recovered from the scene indicates that the man fired three rounds at the officer before his weapon, a 9mm Ruger, jammed, Dotson said, adding that the gun was also recovered. The cop fired 17 rounds, although police did not say how many struck the teen."

If this is true, I've ####### had it with these St Louis protestors. #### them! Protesting that someone who fired on a cop (or even anyone) was killed by law enforcement. #### this dead POS (if this is true).

If this is true, then the protestors were uninformed, because they believed the dead man was unarmed. So why are you so pissed at them?

 

[StrikeS2k]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/off-duty-st-louis-fires-17-times-kills-teen-gunfight-cops-article-1.1968403

"Ballistic evidence recovered from the scene indicates that the man fired three rounds at the officer before his weapon, a 9mm Ruger, jammed, Dotson said, adding that the gun was also recovered. The cop fired 17 rounds, although police did not say how many struck the teen."

If this is true, I've ####### had it with these St Louis protestors. #### them! Protesting that someone who fired on a cop (or even anyone) was killed by law enforcement. #### this dead POS (if this is true).

If this is true, then the protestors were uninformed, because they believed the dead man was unarmed. So why are you so pissed at them?

 

[TheWalkmen]

These protestors are all idiots. There's not a police problem in St Louis. There's a problem with poor kids growing up in broken homes with no fathers. Protesting against the police is appalling. They put their life on the line only to be lambasted by people without a clue.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I understand that another cop said that's what they recovered, and that other people gave different accounts.

My boy was a good boy, he never did nothing wrong!!! (excluding that 9 page rap sheet)

You've got Jim11 on your side.

I rest my case.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I understand that another cop said that's what they recovered, and that other people gave different accounts.

My boy was a good boy, he never did nothing wrong!!! (excluding that 9 page rap sheet)

You've got Jim11 on your side.

I rest my case.

You're defending looters and rioters, I rest mine.

 

[mcintyre1]

These protestors are all idiots. There's not a police problem in St Louis. There's a problem with poor kids growing up in broken homes with no fathers. Protesting against the police is appalling. They put their life on the line only to be lambasted by people without a clue.

#WhitePrivilege

 

[mcintyre1]

Doesn't mean much, but a person I know posted the following on a closed social media site last night:

You guys, another police officer shot and killed another 18-year-old African-American man. This time about two blocks from my dad's house. My dad went to buy milk and the owner of the shop told him he made the kid a sandwich and then 6 minutes later he was dead. They were also looking at the surveillance footage in the shop, and my dad says if he had a gun you couldn't see it.

I expect that this will cause a big stir, but right now the stories are a little all over the place.

It would seem likely that if he did have a gun, he probably wouldn't have had it clearly visible while buying a sandwich, though.

 

[Joseph]

It's one thing to make up a story about someone not responding to police commands, or making aggressive movements, but its something else to make up multiple shots fired. The problem seems that baring video evidence showing this guy taking a shot at the cop, whatever evidence is going to be looked at suspiciously by those who are predisposed to think the worst of the police.

I mean, if you live in the area and already think/know that one cop made up a story to get out of trouble for shooting an unarmed black kid, why wouldn't you be suspicious of another story put forward by the cops about the shooting of another black kid?

 

[mcintyre1]

If he shot at the guy who identified himself as a police officer, then I have no sympathy for him. However. I can easily imagine a scenario where the off-duty officer presented himself in such a manner that the kid would have no idea if he was a cop or some random guy pointing a gun at him.

Say the officer/guard never identified himself and just started asking angry, pointed questions about why the kid was there, what's in his pockets, etc, presumably under the cop's belief that the kid had committed a theft or something similar. The kid tries to leave the area and the cop pulls his gun. If he never identified himself as a cop, the kid has every right to fear for his life and defend himself.

And that is why I'll withhold judgement of either party until we know more.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I understand that another cop said that's what they recovered, and that other people gave different accounts.

My boy was a good boy, he never did nothing wrong!!! (excluding that 9 page rap sheet)

You've got Jim11 on your side.

I rest my case.

You're defending looters and rioters, I rest mine.

I defended protesting, not looting and rioting. The two are not the same. You'd know that if you weren't the kind of person with whom Jim11 agrees.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I understand that another cop said that's what they recovered, and that other people gave different accounts.

My boy was a good boy, he never did nothing wrong!!! (excluding that 9 page rap sheet)

You've got Jim11 on your side.

I rest my case.

You're defending looters and rioters, I rest mine.

I defended protesting, not looting and rioting. The two are not the same. You'd know that if you weren't the kind of person with whom Jim11 agrees.

Maybe reading comprehension isn't your thing, or we have different definitions of protesting

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/off-duty-st-louis-fires-17-times-kills-teen-gunfight-cops-article-1.1968403

Quote:

"Dotson said some in the crowd Wednesday night shouted obscenities at officers and damaged police cars, but that the officers "showed great restraint.”"

 

[ffldrew]

It appears the kids were seen by the officer - took off running and the off duty officer went after them. Then all of sudden the kids changed their mind and started attacking the officer instead of continuing to run? And how does an off duty officer have a gun that shoots 17 rounds - that would require a reload to get to 17 - right? Might have been justified - but reloading to finish him off is pretty cold ####.

 

[TheWalkmen]

Lots of speculation in here by the anti-police crowd.

 

[mcintyre1]

It appears the kids were seen by the officer - took off running and the off duty officer went after them. Then all of sudden the kids changed their mind and started attacking the officer instead of continuing to run? And how does an off duty officer have a gun that shoots 17 rounds - that would require a reload to get to 17 - right? Might have been justified - but reloading to finish him off is pretty cold ####.

Probably had a glock. Some 9mm models have 17 round magazines.

Edit: That might also explain where they're getting such an exact number from. If they know he unloaded the whole magazine, they know he shot 17 times (18 if he kept a round in the chamber, but I don't think that is normal).

 

[Jim11]

I understand that another cop said that's what they recovered, and that other people gave different accounts.

My boy was a good boy, he never did nothing wrong!!! (excluding that 9 page rap sheet)

You've got Jim11 on your side.

I rest my case.

You're defending looters and rioters, I rest mine.

I defended protesting, not looting and rioting. The two are not the same. You'd know that if you weren't the kind of person with whom Jim11 agrees.

You know you've won the argument when the other side's best volley is an ad hominem attack.